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** There is a fan theory that Tywin has spent all the books he was alive in trying to rid himself of Gregor Cleganne, Amory Lorch and other psychopaths in his bad guy squad. Amory Lorch is a guy under Tywin's command who killed a toddler by stabbing her over 50 times during the fall of King's Landing. His removal is easy to explain, he outlived his usefulness, a political alliance with Dorne is more important and so he is the one left in command of the Bloody Mummers at Harrenhall for the "fake prisoner" gambit with Bolton. Removal of the Mountain is harder to explain, but if you pay attention, Tywin keeps putting Gregor in vanguard or sends him out to scout, burn and pillage with small parties which would get him killed if he ever faces the enemy army unawares (Gregor even gets pissed that none of Lannister scouts have seen anything at one point). One noticeable example is putting The Mountain in vanguard near the river with Tyrion and his Hill Clans, while fully expecting that part of the battlefield to collapse and rout, most of them to die before he jumps in with reinforcement and thus he gets rid of both Tyrion and Mountain. Tywin is pragmatic about it though, and uses Gregor for dirty jobs first, like taking over Harrenhall from Vargo Hoat (and keeping The Mountain and his PsychoForHire squad there for months with nothing to do) and fight as champion in trial with combat against a person notorious to use poisonous blades.

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** There is a fan theory that Tywin has spent all the books he was alive in trying to rid himself of Gregor Cleganne, Amory Lorch and other psychopaths in his bad guy squad. Amory Lorch is a guy under Tywin's command who killed a toddler by stabbing her over 50 times during the fall of King's Landing. His removal is easy to explain, he outlived his usefulness, a political alliance with Dorne is more important and so he is the one left in command of the Bloody Mummers at Harrenhall for the "fake prisoner" gambit with Bolton. Removal of the Mountain is harder to explain, but if you pay attention, Tywin keeps putting Gregor in vanguard or sends him out to scout, burn and pillage with small parties which would get him killed if he ever faces the enemy army unawares (Gregor even gets pissed that none of Lannister scouts have seen anything at one point). One noticeable example is putting The Mountain in vanguard near the river with Tyrion and his Hill Clans, while fully expecting that part of the battlefield to collapse and rout, most of them to die before he jumps in with reinforcement and thus he gets rid of both Tyrion and Mountain. Tywin is pragmatic about it though, and uses Gregor for dirty jobs first, like taking over Harrenhall from Vargo Hoat (and keeping The Mountain and his PsychoForHire squad there for months with nothing to do) and fight as champion in trial with of combat against a person notorious to for their use of poisonous blades.blades, with key incident being a fight to the first blood that ended with the opponent dying days later.
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** There is a fan theory that Tywin has spent all the books he was alive in trying to rid himself of Gregor Cleganne, Amory Lorch and other psychopaths in his bad guy squad. Amory Lorch is a guy under Tywin's command who killed a toddler by stabbing her over 50 times during the fall of King's Landing. His removal is easy to explain, he outlived his usefulness, a political alliance with Dorne is more important and so he is the one left in command of the Bloody Mummers at Harrenhall for the "fake prisoner" gambit with Bolton. Removal of the Mountain is harder to explain, but if you pay attention, Tywin keeps putting Gregor in vanguard or sends him out to scout, burn and pillage with small parties which would get him killed if he ever faces the enemy army unawares (Gregor even gets pissed that none of Lannister scouts have seen anything at one point). One noticeable example is putting The Mountain in vanguard near the river with Tyrion and his Hill Clans, while fully expecting that part of the battlefield to collapse and rout, most of them to die before he jumps in with reinforcement and thus he gets rid of both Tyrion and Mountain. Tywin is pragmatic about it though, and uses Gregor for dirty jobs first, like taking over Harrenhall from Vargo Hoat (and keeping The Mountain and his PsychoSquad there for months with nothing to do) and fight as champion in trial with combat against a person notorious to use poisonous blades.

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** There is a fan theory that Tywin has spent all the books he was alive in trying to rid himself of Gregor Cleganne, Amory Lorch and other psychopaths in his bad guy squad. Amory Lorch is a guy under Tywin's command who killed a toddler by stabbing her over 50 times during the fall of King's Landing. His removal is easy to explain, he outlived his usefulness, a political alliance with Dorne is more important and so he is the one left in command of the Bloody Mummers at Harrenhall for the "fake prisoner" gambit with Bolton. Removal of the Mountain is harder to explain, but if you pay attention, Tywin keeps putting Gregor in vanguard or sends him out to scout, burn and pillage with small parties which would get him killed if he ever faces the enemy army unawares (Gregor even gets pissed that none of Lannister scouts have seen anything at one point). One noticeable example is putting The Mountain in vanguard near the river with Tyrion and his Hill Clans, while fully expecting that part of the battlefield to collapse and rout, most of them to die before he jumps in with reinforcement and thus he gets rid of both Tyrion and Mountain. Tywin is pragmatic about it though, and uses Gregor for dirty jobs first, like taking over Harrenhall from Vargo Hoat (and keeping The Mountain and his PsychoSquad PsychoForHire squad there for months with nothing to do) and fight as champion in trial with combat against a person notorious to use poisonous blades.
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** There is a fan theory that Tywin has spent all the books he was alive in trying to rid himself of Gregor Cleganne, Amory Lorch and other psychopaths in his bad guy squad. Amory Lorch is a guy under Tywin's command who killed a toddler by stabbing her over 50 times during the fall of King's Landing. His removal is easy to explain, he outlived his usefulness, a political alliance with Dorne is more important and so he is the one left in command of the Bloody Mummers at Harrenhall for the "fake prisoner" gambit with Bolton. Removal of the Mountain is harder to explain, but if you pay attention, Tywin keeps putting Gregor in vanguard or sends him out to scout, burn and pillage with small parties which would get him killed if he ever faces the enemy army unawares (Gregor even gets pissed that none of Lannister scouts have seen anything at one point). One noticeable example is putting The Mountain in vanguard near the river with Tyrion and his Hill Clans, while fully expecting that part of the battlefield to collapse and rout, most of them to die before he jumps in with reinforcement and thus he gets rid of both Tyrion and Mountain. Tywin is pragmatic about it though, and uses Gregor for dirty jobs first, like taking over Harrenhall from Vargo Hoat (and keeping The Mountain and his PsychoSquad there for months with nothing to do) and fight as champion in trial with combat against a person notorious to use poisonous blades.
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** Also, despite his resolve to be TheAtoner, the way he goes about it, conveniently doesn’t inherently see Jaime suffering the consequences for his actions. Contrast Jaime’s atonement with the likes of Bryndon Rivers, who similarly [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight disregarded Westeros morals for the good of the realm]], and willingly took the Black as the price; or even Lancel, who confesses his sins and gives up his cushy marriage and castle to join the [[ChurchMilitant Warrior’s Sons]] ostensibly in service of all Westeros citizens. Jaime, however, chooses to dictate the terms of his atonement in a way that doesn’t call for him giving up his position in the Kingsguard, nor inherently sacrifice his relationship with Cersei. [[TrappedInVillainy He justifies this by noting how confessing his incest with Cersei and father of her children would see his family executed, and how the Kingsguard is now filled with sycophants and thugs, which demands he stay as commander]]. While all true, how much of that is his genuine reason for his decision to remain as Commander of the Kingsguard, and how much is just an excuse so that he can avoid as much personal consequence as possible, despite trying to be better?
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** Let's not forget that even though Jaime has apparently [[TookALevelInKindness become a better person]] he is still willing to let the Freys and Boltons be rewarded for [[MoralEventHorizon the Red Wedding]] even though he personally despises them.

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** Let's not forget that even though Jaime has apparently [[TookALevelInKindness become a better person]] he is still willing to let the Freys and Boltons be rewarded for [[MoralEventHorizon the Red Wedding]] even though he personally despises them. And despite [[BreakTheHaughty no longer being as arrogant as he was]], he still seems to hold an ItsAllAboutMe attitude, viewing the various deaths and betrayals within the Lannister family from the angle of how ''he'' has lost.
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** Fans' opinions also differ on his [[AMAtchMadeInStockholm relationship with Dorna]]. It's clear that it wasn't a political marriage for Kevan, since the Swyfts are among the less important Lannister vassals; however, the matter of Dorna's consent is far murkier, since she was a hostage and likely not in any position to say no. There is also the fact that her first child with Kevan is born fifteen years or more after their wedding (they were married by 266 AC and Lancel is born in 281 AC), and their last daughter is born ''in 296 or 297 AC''. It means that either Dorna is an AbsurdlyElderlyMother who for some reason didn't have children for fifteen years of marriage, or there are some alarming [[PaedoHunt implications]] about Kevan. [[TakeAThirdOption Or]], as some fans suggest, it's simply a case of WritersCannotDoMath.
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* Elia Martell, long dead, runs into about three general takes by the fandom. She's either a victim of Rhaegar, abandoned to her fate so he can chase Lyanna Stark in which she is characterized by pain, sadness, anger, and betrayal. In another she's a female version of her brother [[ReallyGetsAround Oberyn]] who, while not indulging in constant sexual liasons in the same way as Oberyn had no problem with Rhaegar going after another woman and might even have encouraged it or been involved in the relationship in anyway from actively corresponding to Lyanna like a good sister to seeing Lyanna as a potential replacement for her should she die without leaving her own two children without a mother, or even actively seducing Lyanna herself. The third is a middle ground between the two where, knowing Rhaegar wanted a third child and she could not have any others due to her poor health, was fine with it as long as Rhaegar kept to certain lines (not marrying Lyanna, her children being his heirs, etc) but otherwise did not actively engage in the event, being neither betrayed nor actively involved in the affair.

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* Elia Martell, long dead, runs into about three general takes by the fandom. She's either a victim of Rhaegar, abandoned to her fate so he can chase Lyanna Stark in which she is characterized by pain, sadness, anger, and betrayal. In another she's a female version of her brother [[ReallyGetsAround Oberyn]] who, while not indulging in constant sexual liasons in the same way as Oberyn had no problem with Rhaegar going after another woman and might even have encouraged it or been involved in the relationship in anyway from actively corresponding to Lyanna like a good sister to seeing Lyanna as a potential replacement for her should she die without leaving her own two children without a mother, or even actively seducing Lyanna herself. The third is a middle ground between the two where, knowing Rhaegar wanted a third child and she could not have any others due to her poor health, was fine with it as long as Rhaegar kept to certain lines (not marrying Lyanna, her children being his heirs, etc) but otherwise did not actively engage in the event, being neither feeling betrayed by nor actively involved in the affair.
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** Some readers have [[https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/148655-robert-was-the-best-king-westeros-ever-had/ proposed]] that, contrary to the view expressed by POV characters that Robert was a worthless drunkard of a king, he was actually a progressive and competent monarch with revolutionary and pragmatic economic policies.

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** Some readers have [[https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/148655-robert-was-the-best-king-westeros-ever-had/ proposed]] that, contrary to the view expressed by POV characters that Robert was a worthless drunkard of a king, he was actually a progressive and competent monarch with revolutionary and pragmatic economic policies. It certainly does speak something of his abilities that Westeros had mostly managed to get back up and running only a decade after the rule of the Mad King.
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* Robert Baratheon, especially InUniverse. Is he a HeartbrokenBadass still mourning the loss of his [[TheLostLenore Lost Lenore]], a fat, drunken lech who drove the kingdom into debt, or just a soldier who never adjusted well to being a king? Definitely some combination of all of the above. While some believe that Robert raped Cersei after reading the latter's POV chapters, there is still a sizable number of other readers who consider Cersei too much of an UnreliableNarrator to trust her word alone or who believe that her chapter merely describes something more akin [[LieBackAndThinkOfEngland unenjoyable yet still consensual sex]].

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* Robert Baratheon, especially InUniverse. Is he a HeartbrokenBadass still mourning the loss of his [[TheLostLenore Lost Lenore]], a fat, drunken lech who drove the kingdom into debt, or just a soldier who never adjusted well to being a king? Definitely some combination of all of the above. While some believe that Robert raped Cersei after reading the latter's POV chapters, there is still a sizable number of other readers who consider Cersei too much of an UnreliableNarrator to trust her word alone or who believe that her chapter merely describes something more akin [[LieBackAndThinkOfEngland unenjoyable yet still consensual sex]].
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This is a HUGE misreading of her character, and of the text itself. Daenerys doesn't actually know the full scope of her father's crimes, and she's not uniquely evil for wanting the throne - are the Starks entitled for wanting to take back Winterfell and avenge their father?


* Daenerys gets a lot of sympathy points for her SympatheticPOV chapters, but the fact remains she is still willing to start a war with "her" people to reclaim her "birthright", even though it has been repeatedly explained to her that the common people she believes are her subjects ''don't care'' who rules them, just as long as they can get on with their lives in peace. It has also been explained to her that her father really was a lunatic, and that some of the "Usurper's dogs" truly were good people, yet she still plans on obliterating them all for revenge. She seems to be acting like her brother in calling herself the Queen of Westeros, and though more likeable has still done some quite horrible things. She even claims the famously honorable Ned Stark had no honor for rebelling against her father, even though Aerys murdered Ned's father and brother without a trial then tried to have Ned and Robert killed, showing how out of touch she is with the truth. She could even be seen as a slightly nicer Foil of her very unsympathetic brother Viserys, yet still sharing his flaws and still thinking of themselves as the rightful ruler of the Seven Kingdoms. She also runs on an incredibly egocentric view of herself, committing atrocities like the torture of a wineseller and his children not because of an insurgency, but because a singer she liked was among one of the slain.
** Actually a lot of the various lords, even the sympathetic ones, get this, because they are still prioritising their personal honour and rights over those of the people they are meant to be ruling and protecting. Possibly excusable by the DeliberateValuesDissonance of the MedievalStasis CrapsackWorld, but still jarring for the readers. Some of the only ones to not display this are people like Ned Stark, who ruled the North justly and is still fondly remembered, and Stannis Baratheon, who actually grows out of this mentality and acknowledges him only caring about his rights instead of the people of Westeros was "putting the cart before the horse."

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* Was Cleon the Second's murder and usurpation at the hands of [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname "King Cutthroat"]] a naked grab for power like the two coups that preceded it? Or was it a reaction to the Cleons reinstuting slavery, and an attempt to restore something resembling the original abolitionist regime Daenerys left in charge of Astapor? The knockoff Unsullied created by the Cleons were still around after "King Cutthroat"'s coup, but its possible they belonged to his rival for the throne, Cleon II's former concubine, not him.
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* Was The ruling council Daenerys leaves behind to rule Astapor is overthrown by Cleon the Second's murder First, a former butcher who accuses them of plotting to restore the Good Masters, then declares himself king and usurpation at enslaves the hands children of [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname the Masters to make new Unsullied. Cleon is then overthrown and killed in turn by a soldier who names himself "Cleon the Second", who is in turn overthrown and killed eight days later by a barber known only as "King Cutthroat"]] a naked grab for power like the two coups that preceded it? Or was it a reaction Cutthroat", whose claim to the Cleons reinstuting slavery, and an attempt to restore something resembling the original abolitionist regime Daenerys left in charge of Astapor? The knockoff Unsullied created throne is contested by the Cleons were still around after "King Cutthroat"'s coup, but its possible they belonged to his rival for the throne, Cleon II's former concubine, not him.
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concubine "Queen Whore". The simplest possible interpretation is that all three coups were naked power grabs, but its also possible that:
** Cleon the First was telling the truth, or what he believed to be the truth, about the ruling council trying to restore the Good Masters.
** Cleon the Second and "Queen Whore" were abolitionists who overthrew Cleon the First for enslaving the children of the Masters, and King Cutthroat was the one who owned the knockoff-Unsullied that fought during the siege of Astapor.
** King Cutthroat was an abolitionist who overthrew Cleon the Second for continuing Cleon the First's policy of enslaving the children of the Masters, and "Queen Whore" was the one who owned the knockoff-Unsullied that fought during the siege of Astapor.
** Any or all of them were secretly backed by the Wise Masters of Yunkai in a StagedPopulistUprising intended to destabilize the city.
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* Was Cleon the Second's murder and usurpation at the hands of [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname "King Cutthroat"]] a naked grab for power like the two coups that preceded it? Or was it a reaction to the Cleons reinstuting slavery, and an attempt to restore something resembling the original abolitionist regime Daenerys left in charge of Astapor? The knockoff Unsullied created by the Cleons were still around after "King Cutthroat"'s coup, but its possible they belonged to his rival for the throne, Cleon II's former concubine, not him.
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As a consequence of having complex characters and many {{Unreliable Narrator}}s, pinning down someone's true character is very difficult to do. Opinions differ regarding the characters' motives, personalities, and moral alignments.

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As a consequence of having complex characters and many {{Unreliable Narrator}}s, pinning down someone's true character is very difficult to do. do in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''. Opinions differ regarding the [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation characters' motives, personalities, and moral alignments.
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* Elia Martell, long dead, runs into about three general takes by the fandom. She's either a victim of Rhaegar, abandoned to her fate so he can chase Lyanna Stark, she's a female version of her brother [[ReallyGetsAround Oberyn]], who, while not indulging in the same way had no problem with Rhaegar going after another woman and might even have encouraged or been involved in the relationship, or a middle ground where, knowing Rhaegar wanted a third child and she could not have any others due to her poor health, was fine with it as long as Rhaegar kept to certain lines (not marrying Lyanna, her children being his heirs, etc).

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* Elia Martell, long dead, runs into about three general takes by the fandom. She's either a victim of Rhaegar, abandoned to her fate so he can chase Lyanna Stark, Stark in which she is characterized by pain, sadness, anger, and betrayal. In another she's a female version of her brother [[ReallyGetsAround Oberyn]], Oberyn]] who, while not indulging in constant sexual liasons in the same way as Oberyn had no problem with Rhaegar going after another woman and might even have encouraged it or been involved in the relationship, relationship in anyway from actively corresponding to Lyanna like a good sister to seeing Lyanna as a potential replacement for her should she die without leaving her own two children without a mother, or even actively seducing Lyanna herself. The third is a middle ground between the two where, knowing Rhaegar wanted a third child and she could not have any others due to her poor health, was fine with it as long as Rhaegar kept to certain lines (not marrying Lyanna, her children being his heirs, etc).etc) but otherwise did not actively engage in the event, being neither betrayed nor actively involved in the affair.
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* The Three Kingsguards at The Tower of Joy: Arthur Dayne, Oswell Whent, and Gerold Hightower. While they are seen In-Universe as paragons of chivalry, there are fans who see them as [[JustFollowingOrders stooges]] [[MyMasterRightorWrong for following the Mad King Aerys and the maybe-rapist Prince Rhaegar]]. Others take the perspective that the trio were BotheringByTheBook as a protest to Jaime, using their duty to Rhaegar to get out of following the orders of a tyrant without breaking their vows, mixing their paragon status with a pragmatism that lets them be perceived better than their brother Jaime who broke his oath publicly and openly.

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* The Three Kingsguards at The Tower of Joy: Arthur Dayne, Oswell Whent, and Gerold Hightower. While they are seen In-Universe as paragons of chivalry, there are fans who see them as [[JustFollowingOrders stooges]] [[MyMasterRightorWrong for following the Mad King Aerys and the maybe-rapist Prince Rhaegar]]. Others take the perspective that the trio were BotheringByTheBook as a protest to Jaime, Aerys, using their duty to Rhaegar to get out of following the orders of a tyrant without breaking their vows, mixing their paragon status with a pragmatism that lets them be perceived better than their brother Jaime who broke his oath publicly and openly.
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** There's also the theories that Stannis may be autistic, such as his ability to be very good in some areas (military, law) but lacking in social skills, his obsession with duty, and his uncomfortableness around women, though it has been theorized he's asexual. It is implied that even before his parents' deaths Stannis was a dour figure who had trouble lightening up, since his parents had brought the jester Patchface to teach Stannis how to laugh.

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** There's also the theories that [[DiagnosedByTheAudience Stannis may be autistic, autistic]], such as his ability to be very good in some areas (military, law) but lacking in social skills, his obsession with duty, and his uncomfortableness discomfort around women, though it has been theorized he's asexual. It is implied that even before his parents' deaths Stannis was a dour figure who had trouble lightening up, since his parents had brought the jester Patchface to teach Stannis how to laugh.



* Was Oberyn's choice to fight the Mountain, and be a bit reckless about it, fueled by the Mountain's death being, at the time, the ''last'' person he needed vengeance from over his sister and her children? Per this thoery, did he poison Tywin Lannister already (specifically with a poison called Widow's blood that messed up a man's bowels') which would have killed Tywin even without Tyrion's crossbolt?

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* Was Oberyn's choice to fight the Mountain, and be a bit reckless about it, fueled by the Mountain's death being, at the time, the ''last'' person he needed vengeance from over his sister and her children? Per this thoery, theory, did he poison Tywin Lannister already (specifically with a poison called Widow's blood that messed up a man's bowels') which would have killed Tywin even without Tyrion's crossbolt?
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* The Three Kingsguards at The Tower of Joy: Arthur Dayne, Oswell Whent, and Gerold Hightower. While they are seen In-Universe as paragons of chivalry, there are fans who see them as [[JustFollowingOrders stooges]] [[MyMasterRightorWrong for following the Mad King Aerys and the maybe-rapist Prince Rhaegar]].

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* The Three Kingsguards at The Tower of Joy: Arthur Dayne, Oswell Whent, and Gerold Hightower. While they are seen In-Universe as paragons of chivalry, there are fans who see them as [[JustFollowingOrders stooges]] [[MyMasterRightorWrong for following the Mad King Aerys and the maybe-rapist Prince Rhaegar]]. Others take the perspective that the trio were BotheringByTheBook as a protest to Jaime, using their duty to Rhaegar to get out of following the orders of a tyrant without breaking their vows, mixing their paragon status with a pragmatism that lets them be perceived better than their brother Jaime who broke his oath publicly and openly.
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* Elia Martell, long dead, runs into about three general takes by the fandom. She's either a victim of Rhaegar, abandoned to her fate so he can chase Lyanna Stark, she's a female version of her brother [[ReallyGetsAround Oberyn]], who, while not indulging in the same way had no problem with Rhaegar going after another woman and might even have encouraged or been involved in the relationship, or a middle ground where, knowing Rhaegar wanted a third child and she could not have any others due to her poor health, was fine with it as long as Rhaegar kept to certain lines (not marrying Lyanna, her children being his heirs, etc).
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* In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while wandering in the Dothraki sea, Daenerys has a vision in which Viserys appears to her and berates her for letting her husband kill him. It is possible that, even though Daenerys left him to his fate for threatening to rip out her unborn child, she may still harbor some guilt over what happened to him. Even if he was horrible to her, he was still the only family she had in the world after their parents were overthrown.

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* In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while wandering in the Dothraki sea, Daenerys has a vision in which Viserys appears to her and berates her for letting her husband kill him. It is possible that, even though Daenerys left him to his fate for threatening to rip out her unborn child, she may still harbor some guilt over what happened to him. Even if he was horrible to her, he was still the only family one she had in the world after the rest of their parents were overthrown.family died in Robert's Rebellion.
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* In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while wandering in the Dothraki sea, Daenerys has a vision in which Viserys appears to her and berates her for letting her husband kill him. It is possible that, even though Daenerys left him to his fate for threatening to rip out her unborn child, she may still harbor some guilt over what happened to him. Even if he was horrible to her, he was still the only family she had in the world after their parents were overthrown.
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* Although there is no denying that Aerys II was a dysfunctional mess of a king whose violent actions contributed ''massively'' to the fall of House Targaryen, calling him Evil with a great, big E comes with problems. Because it's also very clear that his SanitySlippage was openly visible ''for at least a decade'', if not longer. He often gets the blame, but for him to get to his ''"Burn them all!"'' levels of clearly deluded took many people at Court either sitting on their hands or actively enabling/hiding his decline without planning ways to counter the damage he could do or even to ''properly'' help him. By the time Rhaegar was both old enough and politically secure enough to start making his own moves to maybe fix things, it was at least five years too late. And, Jaime, well: young bodyguards don't generally major in psychiatry, even were that possible... Yet those supposedly qualified in the rough equivalents within the Faith, the Maesters and the Kingsguard held to their misdirected neutrality (and inability to keep the Alchemists far away from him) over years and thereby helped create The Mad King, while letting Aerys the man, his family and, ultimately, the entire Kingdom down. Oh, and let a very helpful Varys establish himself without proper vetting, too. Ser Barristan finally gets it, but it's unclear if other characters besides Jaime do.

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* Although there is no denying that Aerys II was a dysfunctional mess of a king whose violent actions contributed ''massively'' to the fall of House Targaryen, calling him Evil with a great, big E comes with problems. Because it's also very clear that his SanitySlippage was openly visible ''for at least a decade'', if not longer. He often gets the blame, but for him to get to his ''"Burn them all!"'' levels of clearly deluded took many people at Court either sitting on their hands or actively enabling/hiding his decline without planning ways to counter the damage he could do or even to ''properly'' help him. By the time Rhaegar was both old enough and politically secure enough to start making his own moves to maybe fix things, it was at least five years too late. And, Jaime, well: young bodyguards don't generally major in psychiatry, even were that possible... Yet those supposedly qualified in the rough equivalents within the Faith, the Maesters and the Kingsguard held to their misdirected neutrality (and inability to keep the Alchemists far away from him) over years and thereby helped create The Mad King, while letting Aerys the man, his family and, ultimately, the entire Kingdom down. Oh, and let a very helpful Varys establish himself without proper vetting, too. Ser Barristan finally gets it, but it's unclear if other characters besides Jaime do. Jaime only gets it years later due to his own long and painful look back at his own miserable life and a hell of a lot of BreaktheHaughty. Everyone else seems content to dismiss their own neglect as Aerys being unsalvagable, which wasn't true until after the Defiance of Duskendale and the activities of the Kingswood Brotherhood just after that sordid affair.
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Robert's will did not disinherit Joffrey


* Is Ser Barristan Selmy one of the most moral and honorable characters in the series and the closest to a "true knight" the series has or a moral coward who hides behind duty? He knew King Aerys was having innocent people burned alive and still served him. He vowed to protect Aerys and his family yet he willingly served Robert instead of either dying trying to avenge Aerys or protect the surviving Targaryens. He was willing to disregard Robert's will and serve Joffrey only deciding to seek out Daenerys after he was humiliatingly dismissed. He served as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard for fifteen years, but it fell apart under his watch. He only regrets some of his decisions years after the damage has been done. Yet everyone still speaks of him as one of the best knights to have ever lived.

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* Is Ser Barristan Selmy one of the most moral and honorable characters in the series and the closest to a "true knight" the series has or a moral coward who hides behind duty? He knew King Aerys was having innocent people burned alive and still served him. He vowed to protect Aerys and his family yet he willingly served Robert instead of either dying trying to avenge Aerys or protect the surviving Targaryens. He was willing to disregard Robert's will and serve Joffrey only deciding decided to seek out Daenerys after he was humiliatingly dismissed. He served as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard for fifteen years, but it fell apart under his watch. He only regrets some of his decisions years after the damage has been done. Yet everyone still speaks of him as one of the best knights to have ever lived.
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* Although there is no denying that Aerys II was a dysfunctional mess of a king whose violent actions contributed ''massively'' to the fall of House Targaryen, calling him Evil with a great, big E comes with problems. Because it's also very clear that his SanitySlippage was openly visible ''for at least a decade'', if not longer. He often gets the blame, but for him to get to his ''"Burn them all!"'' levels of clearly deluded took many people at Court either sitting on their hands or actively enabling/hiding his decline without planning ways to counter the damage he could do or even to ''properly'' help him. By the time Raegar was both old enough and politically secure enough to start making his own moves to maybe fix things, it was at least five years too late. And, Jaime, well: young bodyguards don't generally major in psychiatry, even were that possible... Yet those supposedly qualified in the rough equivalents within the Faith, the Maesters and the Kingsguard held to their misdirected neutrality (and inability to keep the Alchemists far away from him) over years and thereby helped create The Mad King, while letting Aerys the man, his family and, ultimately, the entire Kingdom down. Oh, and let a very helpful Varys establish himself without proper vetting, too. Ser Barristan finally gets it, but it's unclear if other characters besides Jaime do.

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* Although there is no denying that Aerys II was a dysfunctional mess of a king whose violent actions contributed ''massively'' to the fall of House Targaryen, calling him Evil with a great, big E comes with problems. Because it's also very clear that his SanitySlippage was openly visible ''for at least a decade'', if not longer. He often gets the blame, but for him to get to his ''"Burn them all!"'' levels of clearly deluded took many people at Court either sitting on their hands or actively enabling/hiding his decline without planning ways to counter the damage he could do or even to ''properly'' help him. By the time Raegar Rhaegar was both old enough and politically secure enough to start making his own moves to maybe fix things, it was at least five years too late. And, Jaime, well: young bodyguards don't generally major in psychiatry, even were that possible... Yet those supposedly qualified in the rough equivalents within the Faith, the Maesters and the Kingsguard held to their misdirected neutrality (and inability to keep the Alchemists far away from him) over years and thereby helped create The Mad King, while letting Aerys the man, his family and, ultimately, the entire Kingdom down. Oh, and let a very helpful Varys establish himself without proper vetting, too. Ser Barristan finally gets it, but it's unclear if other characters besides Jaime do.
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** The Red Faith in general. Is it a ReligionOfEvil, or a generally good religion [[GodzillaThreshold driven to extreme action]] by the threat of the Others? Which is the more “ideal” R’hllorite, Thoros or Melisandre?
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** Some readers have [[https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/148655-robert-was-the-best-king-westeros-ever-had/ proposed]] that, contrary to the view expressed by POV characters that Robert was a worthless drunkard of a king, he was actually a progressive and competent monarch with revolutionary and pragmatic economic policies.


* Robert Baratheon, especially InUniverse. Is he a HeartbrokenBadass still mourning the loss of his [[TheLostLenore Lost Lenore]], a fat, drunken lech who drove the kingdom into debt, or just a soldier who never adjusted well to being a king? Definitely some combination of all of the above. While some believe that Robert raped Cersei after reading the latter's POV chapters, there is still a sizable number of other readers who consider Cersei too much of an UnreliableNarrator to trust her word alone or who believe that her chapter merely describes something more akin [[LieBackAndThinkOfEngland unenjoyable yet still consensual sex]]; [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment the topic is hotly debated with differing interpretations over the subject]]. It depends on who you ask (and often which character the person you are asking holds more sympathy for).

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* Robert Baratheon, especially InUniverse. Is he a HeartbrokenBadass still mourning the loss of his [[TheLostLenore Lost Lenore]], a fat, drunken lech who drove the kingdom into debt, or just a soldier who never adjusted well to being a king? Definitely some combination of all of the above. While some believe that Robert raped Cersei after reading the latter's POV chapters, there is still a sizable number of other readers who consider Cersei too much of an UnreliableNarrator to trust her word alone or who believe that her chapter merely describes something more akin [[LieBackAndThinkOfEngland unenjoyable yet still consensual sex]]; [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment the topic is hotly debated with differing interpretations over the subject]]. It depends on who you ask (and often which character the person you are asking holds more sympathy for).sex]].
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* Was Oberyn's choice to fight the Mountain, and be a bit reckless about it, fueled by the Mountain's death being, at the time, the ''last'' person he needed vengeance from over his sister and her children? Did he poison Tywin Lannister already (specifically with a poison called Widow's blood that messed up a man's bowels') which would have killed Tywin even without Tyrion's crossbolt?

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* Was Oberyn's choice to fight the Mountain, and be a bit reckless about it, fueled by the Mountain's death being, at the time, the ''last'' person he needed vengeance from over his sister and her children? Did Per this thoery, did he poison Tywin Lannister already (specifically with a poison called Widow's blood that messed up a man's bowels') which would have killed Tywin even without Tyrion's crossbolt?
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This here interpretation is pretty popular so why not put it here?

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* Was Oberyn's choice to fight the Mountain, and be a bit reckless about it, fueled by the Mountain's death being, at the time, the ''last'' person he needed vengeance from over his sister and her children? Did he poison Tywin Lannister already (specifically with a poison called Widow's blood that messed up a man's bowels') which would have killed Tywin even without Tyrion's crossbolt?
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* Tywin Lannister is a big one for the series and the fandom. Is he a megalomaniacal EvilOverlord who will crush any and everyone in his obsessive quest for unrivaled superiority as his enemies believe? A complex BrokenAce forced into PragmaticVillainy because of [[BumblingDad his father's mismanagement]] and [[TheLostLenore wife's death]], as per Pycelle and Kevan Lannister? A corrupt hypocrite who justifies his atrocities as being "good for the realm" when they are merely self-serving and spiteful (and criticises the son most like him for flaws he possesses)? Were his cruel actions DisproportionateRetribution and EvilIsPetty or a case of BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork as he justifies to Tyrion?

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* Tywin Lannister is a big one for the series and the fandom. Is he a megalomaniacal EvilOverlord who will crush any and everyone in his obsessive quest for unrivaled superiority as his enemies believe? A complex BrokenAce forced into PragmaticVillainy because of [[BumblingDad his father's mismanagement]] and [[TheLostLenore wife's death]], as per Pycelle and Kevan Lannister? A corrupt hypocrite who justifies his atrocities as being "good for the realm" when they are merely self-serving and spiteful (and criticises the son most like him for flaws he possesses)? Were his cruel actions DisproportionateRetribution and EvilIsPetty or a case of BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork as he justifies to Tyrion?Tyrion? Related, was is planning of the Red Wedding really motivated by pragmatism, or by getting harsh revenge against the teenage general who outclassed him on the battlefield at every turn?

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