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Team 8- A Different Team, A Different Story
ScorpioRat
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I'm glad to hear you like it so far. Out of curiosity, what caused you to lose interest in the fanfic?
Valiona
ScorpioRat
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Yes, Hinata being far less confident than in canon gets on my nerves, although in my case, the fact that it does is part of what motivates me to write this; when writing reviews to fanfiction, or a liveblog like this, criticism tends to write itself more easily than praise does. Hinata's also one of my favorite Naruto characters, and it's a disheartening to see her reduced to this.
Valiona
romancechina88
ScorpioRat
Valiona
romancechina88
And here's the first instance of Team 7 bashing. I have no idea where the Kiba is a sexist thing came from at all. And considering that half the original Team 7 drama came from Naruto and Sasuke trying to one-up each other, shouldn't this newer team theoretically run smoother since Kiba actually does respect and acknowledge Sasuke's abilities?
ScorpioRat
The fic has some cases of people being labeled as sexist, as well as implying that girls becoming kunoicihis is a relatively new thing and that Kurenai often has to deal with sexism, so I suspect Kiba got tarred with that same brush. I understand that a lot of people believe Naruto, as a series, is sexist, but there aren't that many sexist characters in it, nor is there much of a trend toward sexism in the universe.
Valiona
ScorpioRat
romancechina88
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Valiona
I think I'd like Hiashi more in this fanfiction if he did have a handlebar mustache and twirled it. At least I would be able to laugh at him then instead of being horribly disappointed.
ScorpioRat
romancechina88
ScorpioRat
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MFM
Valiona
romancechina88
ScorpioRat
romancechina88
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ScorpioRat
Part of the reason why I like Shino in this fic is the role he plays. The author could have taken the easy way out and made him the "extra" member of Team 8, since Naruto and Hinata are the main couple, and Kurenai has her own backstory. But the author gave him an interesting personality, character development, and interesting interactions with Naruto and Hinata that bring out his personality, which arguably makes him one of the best characters in this fic.
Valiona
ScorpioRat
The thing about Team 7 is that they seem to have a lot of bad things happen to them, and the narrative tells us that most of it is their fault. By contrast, while Team 8 isn't exactly fortunate, they aren't necessarily blamed for their troubles, or forced to see it as a necessary lesson for working on their flaws.
Valiona
That's an interesting difference you pointed out there. It's funny how Naruto and Hinata can angst until the cows come home, but Sasuke's whole family is dead (and killed by his evil brother right in front of him, no less) but gets no author sympathy despite the fact that a ton of his characters flaws might stem from trauma.
ScorpioRat
romancechina88
ScorpioRat
Valiona
Boy, is that true... These type of fanfictions start to make me feel genuinely bad for Sakura, even though I'm usually kind of apathetic to her.
ScorpioRat
romancechina88
ah yes orochimaru enters, the moment i felt the series grew the beard in terms of plot and how things developed. Especially how he was introducted as the grass genin, always remember the moment he appears behind anko after she got behind naruto. Estabish's how creepy he is, his love of messing wiht people and where anko got some of her personality from being his apprentice.
Plus it gave her the hint that he was around as well, a scene that worked on quite a few levels.
I agree on team 8 getting involved with team 7 here since it took away one of sasuke's best moments i felt when sakura called him out on his cowardice and he got to show his skills, along with a moment that i felt is still sakura's best moment in the series, the moment she started to grow as a character, symbolized perfectly by her cutting her own hair, and claming sasuke down. Stations of canon again isn't it.
I'm a bit annoyed dosu got killed, he was an interesting character i felt, catching on to how Orochimaru set his team up to pretty much die, he could have been a wild card in the exams, but got killed off to show gaara's power, naruto has always felt at times of having some potential interesting stuff never happen.
Anko being another i feel as well, why set up her character like that and not follow through. Shame but sometimes these things happen, especially in any series that has a load of characters.
Yeah i hope the fox is done better, thought the recent development of him was interesting in a way, but contradicted what had been seen of him throughout the series, gain another example of how kishimoto changes his plans on characters at times, course he couldn't plan everything out years before, but sometimes it is very noticeable how he doesn't plan thing ahead enough.
looking foreward to more reviews.
romancechina88
ScorpioRat
Valiona
I'm more angry about what happens next chapter as a result of Hinata's match than her losing. But yeah, mixing up matches a little more would have been nice. It's good to see Choji shine for a bit.
ScorpioRat
Valiona
ScorpioRat
That's a good distinction between the relationship between Naruto and Hinata in canon and their relationship with this fic. I suppose Hinata on the same team as Naruto, and thus being around him on a regular basis would have an impact on their relationship (for example, she'd quickly be forced to actually talk with him), but I don't think it would end up making her dependent on him, nor should it.
Valiona
romancechina88
While it's almost impossible to show an abuser completely sympathetically, it's typically better to show them with some degree of realism, rather than making them into one-dimensional villains, which is what this fic seems to be doing.
Valiona
Considering Naruto has 2 dead parents, you'd think he'd sympathize. And I think Hiashi was more surprised that Neji was capable of learning the two Main Branch techniques with no outside help in canon. It was implied that Neji reverse engineered them just by seeing it done.
ScorpioRat
ah yes the naruto and neji fight, that fight to me is very ironic now considering the events in canon in the last year, with neji dying and naruto finding out about the six paths destiny stuff, I wodner if kishimoto thought back to the content in that fight when he wrote the above, the guy has an unfornatue bad habit of breaking his own aesops, though whether that's due to him or his editors or someone else who knows.
Yeah i found the whole bit with kurenai and jiraya stuff to be questionable, i mean yeah the guy is sexually harrsing women with his antic's of peeping on them and him writing those novels isn't everyon's cup of tea, but to somehow blame the sexism she gets (which i have been never seen in canon) on him writing them and say kakashi reading them, yeah that's a crap excuse for kurenai to take, if she wants to be taken seriously then maybe she should start respecting other's view's and not just critize everything that she fines wrong or offensive.
It feels like the author is making an issue out of something that wasn't a issue in universe, yeah i get it he doesn't like how women don't get to dominate the plot as much as men do in naruto.
But to bring up sexism in this way in universe. Not the place to i feel, and it actually can in a way make kurenai look like she's a straw feminist, which defeats the point of bringing up the issue in the first place.
yeah that remark by naruto was crossing over the line, espsecially since he knows how his father die.
yeah i found the whole naruto not taking the toad contact to not make any sense at all.
Remind me how did hayate survive here, i can't remember why he does, other than maybe the author liking him perhaps.
another fine review, keep it up
romancechina88
Valiona
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romancechina88
I'm starting to wonder what the author has against the Hyuga in general...
ScorpioRat
I've noticed that when everything bad that's happened to a popular character can be laid at the feet of a character or group, they tend to lose favor in the fandom quite quickly. And so, because Hiashi can be blamed for Hinata's problems, he gets the brunt of her fans' ire and is demonized, even when it goes beyond what is reasonable.
Valiona
I think the author just took his nail too far here. What kind of event could possibly change a whole clan's attitude so fast?
ScorpioRat
Yeah, I don't think the old man would have promoted Naruto if he survived in canon either. He beat Neji, but there was more brute force and sheer tenacity involved than deep strategic though. Naruto hadn't yet gained enough respect to be an effective leader on a field. I do think he should have been promoted sometime before the war in Shippuden though.
ScorpioRat
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Valiona
Here's a little known fact. A ninja can be straight up appointed to Chunin and Jounin anytime teh Hokage wishes. So there really was no excuse to keep Naruto a genin for that long.
ScorpioRat
this was quite the wham chapter, kurenai dying, in some ways good as it can show anyone can die, but not good as it killed her off in a way too soon.
Personally i have never found itachi to be an interesting character, a boring one really due to him being a not good verison of stoic character, creepy yes but not interesting enough. Plus when he turned up the plot started to let itself become dominated by sasuke's clan which wasn't good since i felt it wasn't interesting really but to each his own on that.
that and he was overpowered made him boring to watch in fights, sasuke and kakashi mixed things up so they weren't completley reliant on the shaningan along wihtt he fact they had to earn their victories, itachi doesn't feel like he earns his really for me.
The problem i have with itachi's character overall is how he was handled in part two, the idea for him having done what he did was decent and should have made him more feshed out, the excution was very flawed i feel, since it wasn't really built up (some of the asspull powers for him and sasuke as well), too many rectons that strech belief, and some of the shilling he got later on, some of it was just plain facepalming for me, considering how dumb some of his actions were and damaging as well.
i know he has expressed regret, but sometimes it feels more like he is being humble to recieve praise and avoid resally anyone critizing how he handled things. But agian ymmv on that front, it's an issue many people have strong views on
His first appereance in part one for me tainted my opinion of him due to his mind rape of kakashi, which led to sasuke visiting him in bed, which led to that idiot aiba coming in and pretty much litting the fuse for shit to happen.
then itachi mind rapes sasuke again (there is no way to defend that, no logic for me to defend such an action, no matter what the intentions, mind raping someone is one of acts in my view is immoral in nearly everyway).for me Itachi lost any sympathy he could have got from those act's along, too tainted by his first characterizaiton to make the recton work enough for me.
Plus he made all of naruto's efforts in part two to bring sasuke back to the village pointless, it felt like a middle finger to the main character and that is just plain wrong in my book, though some of the reaosns are understandable considering sasuke listens to (which is always only someone from his clan).
Again the idea was decent, excution of it left a lot to be desired.
enough on that issue.
Yeah i didn't like the bashing again of team seven, not needed.
the mary sue test has it's merits and flaws, but kurenai i feel does ffall into it in this fic, has flaws but they aren't really brought up and she wins her arugments too easily, you cold say she is a black hole sue who bends everything to her will and views.
nice rreview once again, good points made and interesting to read as always.
romancechina88
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MFM
It's good to hear you liked it. I also kept that in mind when doing this liveblog, intending to finish what I started.
Valiona
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ScorpioRat
Valiona
I very much enjoyed this liveblog. You really have a nice style for expressing criticisms and positive's.
32ndfreeze
The long gaps between updates are because the author is alternating focus between this and their other active work: Harry Potter: Nightmares of Futures Past.
ChaosKnux
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I agree with that rant so much. I was so pissed at Kurenai for making that speech. And Hinata's complete lack of a spine is ridiculous. She's not learning from Naruto and getting stronger, she's just using him as an emotional crutch now.Important Links