Line #46 YMMV/TronLegacy


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2	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Yes, and by the truckload. ''Everyone's'' motivations and degree of good or evil are completely up for grabs, ''especially'' Flynn and Clu. [[{{AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/Tron}} See the Film Section of the page in question for examples.]]
3	* {{Anvilicious}}:
4	** The board room scene doesn't even ''attempt'' to hide its criticism of current software design and business practices. Also ironic that this is in a Creator/{{Disney}} film, given the stance the company generally takes towards copyright infringement.
5	--->'''Alan Bradley:''' Given the prices we're charging to students and schools, what improvements have been made in ''Flynn''...er, I mean, ''Encom'' OS 12?\
6	(''{{beat}}'')\
7	'''CEO:''' (''who has no real idea'') This year we put a "12" on the box.
8	** Then again, [[http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47947 this analysis of the film]] argues that ''TRON: Legacy'' is actually an attack on idea that all information MUST be free, and it makes some very good points.
9	* AwardSnub: Despite getting critical and audience-based praise for its [[SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome Visual Effects]] and [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Soundtrack]], neither of these things were nominated for the UsefulNotes/{{Academy Award}}s. Instead, it got nominated for ''Best Sound Editing...'' Just carrying on the proud TRON tradition; [[Film/{{Tron}} the first film]] didn't get nominated for Best Visual Effects due to the Academy thinking that using CGI was "cheating", despite nearly every modern movie getting nominated using it.
10	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: One thing everyone agrees upon including the critics, is that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmKDVvIEhBY the]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB2-ijxjTs0 score]] by Music/DaftPunk [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRvVyMuWbpM is]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85XjcbFoEK0 indeed]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGzJFJRkmCE awesome]]. When Sam first goes to the arcade and switches on the power, Music/{{Journey\|Band}}'s "Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)" starts blaring over the sound system. The song REALLY powers the sense of '80s nostalgia in the sequence. Followed by Eurythmics' "Sweet Dreams", which powers a sense of foreboding as Sam checks out Kevin's secret lab.... Kaskade's remix of Rinzler is utter bliss.
11	* BadassDecay: Kevin Flynn is less proactive in this film than he was in the first one, instead withdrawing himself from the Grid because of his inability to defeat CLU. To paraphrase ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}, he's actively waiting for change, which happens when Sam arrives. Once he does, the old Kevin Flynn begins to reemerge.
12	* BaseBreakingCharacter: Kevin Flynn's moral compass or possible lack thereof is a hot topic of debate, depending on what fan board you head to. Tron Sector's fanbase is more inclined to see him as a well-intentioned, benevolent figure unjustly exiled and imprisoned. Fans on Tumblr's Tron section lean more toward a darker view, to the point of arguing he was a high-functioning sociopath enamored of virtual godhood. As ''Legacy'' was written by [[{{Series/LOST}} Adam Horowitz]] and [[{{Series/OnceUponATime}} Edward Kitsis]], [[GrayAndGrayMorality any interpretation on the spectrum is possible]].
13	* ContestedSequel: ''Legacy'' displaced ''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh'' canon-wise, but the discredited sequel still has fans. ''2.0'' loyalists cite the game's attempt to translate modern computer systems, more colorful palette, and tone as closer to the original, put off by Legacy's DarkerAndEdgier shift. Others prefer Legacy's bleaker tone, sleeker look, and BittersweetEnding. Still others will cheerfully use ''[[TakeAThirdOption both canons]]'' by [[PatchworkFic making a couple minor tweaks]], and keeping Jet Bradley as Sam Flynn's {{Lancer}}.
14	* CriticalDissonance: While the film wasn't savaged by critics, it was generally viewed as being SoOkayItsAverage by said critics. Audiences, however, had a different reaction, [[https://www.therobotsvoice.com/2010/12/tr_review_tron_legacy.php particularly]] [[Blog/ToplessRobot Rob Bricken]].
15	* EnsembleDarkHorse: Castor/[[spoiler:Zuse]] is almost always considered one of the most well-liked characters in the movie. This derives from him being a LargeHam Music/DavidBowie {{Expy}} in a movie consisting predominantly of grim individuals making the most of his limited screen time.
16	* EvenBetterSequel: ''Tron'' is considered an impressive film despite the cheesy visuals, which could be forgiven considering the [[UsefulNotes/TheEighties year]] it was made. ''Tron: Legacy''? Better visuals, DarkerAndEdgier storyline, and '''''Music/DaftPunk''''' for music? Well you got yourself an ''impressive'' sequel.
17	* EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory: The movie, to put it very mildly, is rife with Christian, Gnostic and Buddhist undertones.
18	* EveryoneIsSatanInHell: ...And, unsurprisingly, CLU shares many traits with a certain fallen angel.
19	* FanNickname:
20	** Some people refer to [[spoiler:Tron/Rinzler as Tronzler]].
21	** Kevin Flynn is "Obi-Wan Lebowski".
22	** The film itself gets called "Creator/{{Disney}}'s ''Series/GameOfThrones''" on Website/{{Tumblr}} due to the depressing tone and high body count.
23	* HarsherInHindsight: Flynn's Jedi-like robes, demeanor, and decision to self-exile while his corrupt apprentice lays waste to everything in range and his allies are left to struggle alone. [[Film/TheForceAwakens Luke Skywalker was apparently taking notes.]] Alan and Lora apparently turned out a little better than [[{{Patricide}} Han]] and [[CharacterOutlivesActor Leia]], though.
24	* HilariousInHindsight:
25	** The ShoutOut joke about the young Flynn's mistaking the Light Cycle baton for a lightsaber, now that Disney owns the ''Franchise/StarWars'' franchise.
26	*** Not only that. Later in the movie, Quorra and the Black Guards use identical tools as swords and staffs. He was right!
27	** Another layer of the joke is added if you played ''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh'' and remember the short stealth level where the lightcycle rod was used as a improvised shock weapon. Right idea, wrong implementation.
28	** Likewise when Sam sees Rinzler's disc split in two? Yes, it is perfectly legal! It was called a Sequencer upgrade in ''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh''. We also see it used prominently in ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising''.
29	** Given how Castor is all in white and could also be described as "English..intelligent, and gayer than a treeful of monkeys on nitrous oxide," the casting of Sheen as [[Series/GoodOmens2019 Aziraphale]] led to a few jokes.
30	%%* IronWoobie: Quorra, considering [[spoiler: [[LastOfHisKind she's the last of the ISOs]]]], but remains so determined.
31	* JustHereForGodzilla: The soundtrack and cameo appearance of Music/DaftPunk brought music fans who otherwise wouldn't have seen it.
32	* JerkassWoobie: CLU, ''dear god'' CLU. Yes, he became a dictator of the Grid, yes [[spoiler: wiped out the [=ISOs=]]], and yes [[spoiler: he reconfigured Tron's programming to become Rinzler]], but when you ''really'' think about it, the guy ''was following the programming Kevin instilled in him''. Since Kevin instilled the idea of [[spoiler: "creating the perfect system"]], Clu simply thought he was following that idea. Obviously that doesn't ''excuse'' his actions, but when you get down to it, he was just doing what he was programmed to do. [[Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey Makes you think Clu is more of HAL 9000]], than anything.
33	* MemeticMolester: Judging by the KinkMeme for this fandom, Clu headed here faster than a stolen light-cycle.
34	* MemeticMutation:
35	** '''[[RageAgainstTheHeavens "KEVIN FLYNN!!!]] [[LargeHam WHERE ARE YOU]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lgMtzDheQ0 NOW?!"]]'''
36	** "Out there is a new world! OUT THERE IS OUR VICTORY!!! Out there... is our destiny!"
37	** "[[TheMole The game has changed]], [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY5ecnUA5dc son of Flynn!"]].
38	** "Bio-digital jazz, man".
39	* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales: Sam's line about how much he doesn't cares where his DisappearedDad is after so many years ("He's either dead, or chillin' in Costa Rica. Probably both.") caused many Costa Rican movie goers to chuckle.
40	* MoralEventHorizon: Clu is a [[KickTheDog dog-kicking program]] who takes pleasure in viewing and participating in games to derezz citizens in Tron City. It's not a question of if CLU crosses the line, but ''when.'' Here are some milestones:
41	** [[spoiler:Stealing Tron's light jet and leaving Tron to die in the Sea of Simulation after Tron refuses to shoot down the Flynns and crashed his jet into Clu's.]] Needless to say, much of the fanbase turned against Clu after seeing that.
42	** [[spoiler:Clu kicking Kevin Flynn to the ground after Flynn apologizes for [[GodIsFlawed giving a flawed and impossible task]].]] Yes, Clu might've just been doing his job, but taking out all of that anger and confusion on his creator like that?! It's no wonder Sam was so pissed that he [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu ran up to try to knock Clu on his ass; of course, Clu shrugged off Sam's attacks, but still...]]
43	** And even before all of that, [[spoiler: the genocide of the [=ISOs=].]] Since he viewed the [=ISOs=] as an imperfection (as well as threatening his ability to create a perfect system, which is '''exactly''' what he was made to do), [[spoiler: he purposely reprograms an ISO into a virus to infect and derezz [=ISOs=] in ''Evolution''. This was not just used as a distraction for Flynn while he takes over the Grid, it was also used as an excuse to turn the Basics against the [=ISO=] population.]]
44	** Turning the Games ''lethal,'' when Flynn explicitly made the Games non-lethal, which just seemed to be a dick move to punish Programs that annoyed him (and/or piss off Tron).
45	** And [[MindRape "rectification"]]...Taking and twisting sentient Programs into attack drones. And then, [[FridgeHorror when you try factoring in]] how much work must have gone into [[ReforgedIntoAMinion Rinzler]] and the twisted ''delight'' he likely got out of it.
46	* {{Narm}}: "KEVIN FLYNN! WHERE ARE YOU NOW?" It's the needless insertion of the word ''now'' that really drives this narm home. The fact that his CGI face looks especially plastic in this shot certainly doesn't help matters.
47	** Speaking of which, the younger Kevin Flynn's plastic face in the beginning provided some unintentional comedy.
48	** Kevin Flynn's line in the flashbacks: "It is our DESTINY!" It sounded like he was going to tear his mask off and start eating the crowd.
49	** Sam Flynn looks like he's having an orgasm while he's firing those turrets during the dogfight scene. Unintentional HilarityEnsues.
50	*** "Oh man, I'm all over this."
51	** "Biodigital jazz, man." That is all.
52	*** Also when he laughs while describing the ISO-s, Kevin Flynn sounds like he's choking.
53	** Castor/[[spoiler: Zuse]]'s dance moves during the battle scene in his own club. Many viewers couldn't take the intense battle scene, let alone Michael Sheen, seriously because of this.
54	** In the aftermath of the raid on the End Of Line club, in which some partygoers are brutally derezzed, we see a woman crying over some remains - ''pixel'' remains.
55	** And for those of you who saw the trailers ad nauseam, Quorra's "Here they come."
56	** Just...this exchange:
57	---> '''CLU:''' FLYNN! Am I still to create the perfect system?!
58	---> '''Kevin:''' ...Yeah?
59	*** Something about Bridges's delivery takes some of the gravity out of the ensuing fight.
60	* NarmCharm:
61	** The aforementioned club battle and dogfight scenes ''were'' [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome really awesome]] nonetheless, and it certainly helps that Creator/GarrettHedlund ''especially'' Creator/MichaelSheen looked like they were [[LargeHam having fun during those scenes]].
62	** The infamous "KEVIN FLYNN! WHERE ARE YOU NOW?" line makes a lot more sense when you remember that Flynn is God in this place. It's a paraphrased "Where is your God now" to... well, "God" himself.
63	** "You're messing with my Zen thing, man!" Also doubles as a callback to [[Film/TheBigLebowski another character]] played by Bridges.
64	* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: Ironically, considering how the original game spawned a beloved arcade game, the tie-in to ''Legacy'', ''VideoGame/TronEvolution'', earned average if not underwhelming marks.
65	* SpecialEffectsFailure: Sort of, with the deaging of Jeff Bridges and Bruce Boxleitner. The effect itself isn't actually that bad, and there's a few cases where it's pulled off quite well. Unfortunately, the rest of the time it's ''just'' off enough to teeter at the edge of the UnintentionalUncannyValley. On the other hand, the UnintentionalUncannyValley works ''perfectly'' for CLU himself, and adds to his menace.
66	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: For a movie with "Tron" in the name, you wouldn't expect [[spoiler:the title character to have only a few minutes of screentime in the film, and the majority of that BrainwashedAndCrazy.]] It almost makes you wonder why they bothered to get [[spoiler:Bruce Boxleitner]] back in the first place.
67	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
68	** A frequent criticism of ''Legacy'' is that the questions of what makes the [=ISOs=] special and [[spoiler:how Rinzler regained his identity as Tron]] are poorly developed.
69	** The latter may suffer from CoconutSuperpowers, [[spoiler:because if the CGI model of Bruce Boxleitner's head had been detailed enough to be used in closeups, the scene where Rinzler says "I fight for the Users!" could have had much more impact by showing him taking off his helmet.]]
70	** Who else thought the older light cycle Kevin had was going to be in a chase scene? Like most things, this is lampshaded by ''Website/TheEditingRoom''.
71	* TooBleakStoppedCaring: ''Every'' "pure" AI character wants to kill the heroes in a painful and messy fashion. ExpandedUniverse material points to plenty of self-serving spin in Flynn's official story. 2/3 of the named characters are dead or de-rezzed, most of the other third have dim survival odds, probably wish they were dead, or both. The Grid is a WretchedHive. It's arguable that OnlyTheLeadsGetAHappyEnding, but even that is under debate as Sam trudges off to a corporate job where it's clear that everyone sees him as a proxy for his father and Quorra has no analog world skills or identity. This lead to a backlash on Website/{{Tumblr}} when Kosinski said that the planned sequel would go even ''more'' DarkerAndEdgier.
72	* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: It isn't ''bad'' but it is a film StarringSpecialEffects with less of a story and acting emphasis. However, Creator/OliviaWilde gives a rather touching SkilledButNaive portrayal of her character Quorra, who could have easily ended up just another SatelliteLoveInterest. Additionally, Creator/JeffBridges puts quite a lot of work into making CLU a menacing and interesting villain since the script doesn't give him much help, and he's believably weary but likable as Kevin Flynn. Finally, Bruce Boxleitner doesn't get to replay Alan for long, but he does quite a good job in his brief scenes.
73	* UnintentionalUncannyValley:
74	** The younger faces for Creator/JeffBridges and Creator/BruceBoxleitner were both realistic-looking and moderate CGI. In Clu's case, this was evidently deliberate. The main problem arises because the digital younger faces use motion capture from the real actors' current faces... and neither Jeff Bridges nor Bruce Boxleitner's faces are shaped like that anymore. It's especially obvious when Clu will speak and his mouth will almost move beyond his thin cheeks.
75	** Invoked by the Armory Sirens. They ''look'' sexy, and they certainly strut in a fashion that ''should'' be sexy... but in a very synchronized, vaguely robotic way, lacking the fluidity of typical human movement. This is hammered home when they ''walk backward''.
76	* VindicatedByHistory: Fitting, considering the same fate befell the original film. Upon release, ''Legacy'' was met with mostly mixed reviews from critics, though audiences were more receptive to it. As time has gone on, however, ''Legacy'''s gone on to become far more beloved due to its ''astounding'' visual effects, strong action sequences, beautiful cinematography, some truly special performances, and Music/DaftPunk just ''killing'' it with their amazing score. The story, as well, has gradually become more well-received because of its characters and themes, along with spectacular world building that helps the film's world come to life. All of this has lead the film to be viewed as something that was very much ahead of its time upon release.
77	* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Very much so. The memorable aesthetic of the first movie is successully updated with 21st century technology, and it looks awesome. The only contested case is the aforementioned DigitalDeaging of Flynn and Tron falling into the UnintentionalUncannyValley.
78	** The TronLines are fully practical effects built into the actors' costumes, and they all look spectacular. Many of them are also fully built into the set designs, lending the film an authentic feel.
79	** The new way that programs are derezzed causes them to become a case of LiterallyShatteredLives, and they look spectacular as they shatter into piles of millions of tiny glass pixels.
80	** The aesthetic of the city's architecture is a gorgeous case of symmetry, lines of light, and hexagonal tesselation. Every aspect of the film's buildings, really, are spectacular. TronLines abound, populated with tons of programs, each and every one of them unique, and a truly impressive sense of scale.
81	** The Solar Sailer sequence. SceneryPorn, beautifully digitized aurora borealis, rolling mists beneath a digital sky... It's breathtaking.
82	* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: One could easily be shocked that this film, unlike the [[Film/{{Tron}} 1982 original]][[note]]Many of the arena deaths, for example, dismemberment and splatter easily compare with similar scenes in Film/{{Gladiator}}, possibly being a nod to Scott's epic, only swapping dissolving luminescent cubes for real blood and gore.[[/note]], was intended for kids, considering its DarkerAndEdgier plot and [[LudicrousGibs much more brutal]] [[NeverSayDie deresolutions]]. The movie is about as close to {{Gorn}} as you can get without showing any blood, the villain is essentially [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Hitler]], and there are a lot of jokes that go straight over a kid's head... and somehow it still managed to get a PG rating, with Disney [[MisaimedMarketing marketing it to young children]]. Its promotions on Creator/DisneyChannel, as well as its [[http://www.shopadidas.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=10869167&f=PAD%2FGender%2FKids Adidas apparel line]], and its [[http://www.disneystore.com/tron/vehicles-and-rc-toys/mn/1000056+1000268/ large]] [[http://www.disneystore.com/tron/action-figures/mn/1000056+1000255/ collection]] of {{toys}}, all of which are made and meant for children.
83	* TheWoobie:
84	** Quorra, on account of being [[spoiler:the last ISO]].
85	** Tron is becoming this in the Fandom, [[spoiler:especially all after all the crazy brain-screwing he's been through at the hands of Clu]].
86	** Kevin Flynn. All the guy wanted to do was to create a better world, and he gets stuck in the Grid for decades instead while his own program takes over. Decades in our world, thousands in his.

Context YMMV / TronLegacy