History YMMV / TronLegacy

7th Dec '16 11:27:43 AM Allronix
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** In ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising'', [[spoiler:[[BigGood Tron]]]] says [[spoiler:he'd]] rather die than be the puppet of a tyrant. At the time, it was awesome, if terrifying given [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge the context]]. Come Legacy, and [[spoiler:he]] has become [[spoiler:[[TheDragon Rinzler]].]]

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** In ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising'', [[spoiler:[[BigGood Tron]]]] says [[spoiler:he'd]] rather die than be the puppet of a tyrant. At the time, it was awesome, if terrifying given [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge the context]]. Come Legacy, and [[spoiler:he]] has become [[spoiler:[[TheDragon Rinzler]].]]]] It goes back even farther, to the first film; [[spoiler: Remember Sark's taunt "You should have joined me! We'd have made a great team!" - yeah, Rinzler serves the same position for Clu that Sark did for Master Control]].
** The ''entire first film'' can fall into this; just watch it after you've seen Legacy, realizing the PowerTrio will fall apart with Alan left to soldier on alone (in ''either'' timeline), that the cheerful smartass of a protagonist will end up a broken ruin in the Outlands with his proverbial tail tucked between his legs, the DorkKnight title character will become so twisted by the point ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising'' that he can barely spit out that he considers his apprentice a friend [[spoiler: to say nothing of his fate as "Rinzler"]], and that the survival odds on [[SequelNonEntity Yori]] are ''very'' dim.
13th Oct '16 8:05:24 PM WhoNeedsAMango
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** In ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising'', [[spoiler:[[BigGood Tron]]]] says [[spoiler:he'd]] rather die than be the puppet of a tyrant. At the time, it was awesome, if terrifying given [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge the context]]. Come Legacy, and [[spoiler:he]] has become [[spoiler:[[TheDragon Rinzler]].]]


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*** Not only that. Later in the movie, Quorra and the Black Guards use identical tools as swords and staffs. He was right!
9th Sep '16 1:39:29 PM Allronix
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** Flynn's Jedi-like robes, demeanor, and decision to self-exile against his corrupt apprentice while everything he worked for burns around him and his allies are left to struggle alone. [[Film/TheForceAwakens Luke Skywalker was apparently taking notes.]] Alan and Lora apparently turned out a little better than Han and Leia, though.

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** Flynn's Jedi-like robes, demeanor, and decision to self-exile against while his corrupt apprentice while lays waste to everything he worked for burns around him in range and his allies are left to struggle alone. [[Film/TheForceAwakens Luke Skywalker was apparently taking notes.]] Alan and Lora apparently turned out a little better than Han and Leia, though.
9th Sep '16 1:36:38 PM Allronix
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** Flynn's Jedi-like robes, demeanor, and decision to self-exile against his corrupt apprentice while everything he worked for burns around him and his allies are left to struggle alone. [[Film/TheForceAwakens Luke Skywalker was apparently taking notes.]] Alan and Lora apparently turned out a little better than Han and Leia, though.
30th Aug '16 7:00:01 PM nombretomado
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Considering that the 2010 {{sequel}} has a DarkerAndEdgier plot and [[LudicrousGibs much more brutal]] [[NeverSayDie deresolutions]] than the [[Film/{{Tron}} 1982 original]][[note]]Many of the arena deaths, for example, dismemberment and splatter easily compare with similar scenes in Film/{{Gladiator}}, possibly being a nod to Scott's epic, only swapping dissolving luminescent cubes for real blood and gore.[[/note]], one could easily be shocked that this film, unlike its predecessor, was intended for kids. This can't possibly be stressed enough. The movie is about as close to {{Gorn}} as you can get without showing any blood, the villain is essentially [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Hitler]], and there are a lot of jokes that [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar go straight over a kid's head...]] and somehow it still managed to get a PG rating, with Creator/{{Disney}} somehow not realizing that their movie was '''very''' kid-unfriendly and [[MisaimedMarketing marketing it to young children]]. Its promotions on DisneyChannel, as well as its [[http://www.shopadidas.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=10869167&f=PAD%2FGender%2FKids Adidas apparel line]], and its [[http://www.disneystore.com/tron/vehicles-and-rc-toys/mn/1000056+1000268/ large]] [[http://www.disneystore.com/tron/action-figures/mn/1000056+1000255/ collection]] of {{toys}}, all of which are made and meant for children.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Considering that the 2010 {{sequel}} has a DarkerAndEdgier plot and [[LudicrousGibs much more brutal]] [[NeverSayDie deresolutions]] than the [[Film/{{Tron}} 1982 original]][[note]]Many of the arena deaths, for example, dismemberment and splatter easily compare with similar scenes in Film/{{Gladiator}}, possibly being a nod to Scott's epic, only swapping dissolving luminescent cubes for real blood and gore.[[/note]], one could easily be shocked that this film, unlike its predecessor, was intended for kids. This can't possibly be stressed enough. The movie is about as close to {{Gorn}} as you can get without showing any blood, the villain is essentially [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Hitler]], and there are a lot of jokes that [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar go straight over a kid's head...]] and somehow it still managed to get a PG rating, with Creator/{{Disney}} somehow not realizing that their movie was '''very''' kid-unfriendly and [[MisaimedMarketing marketing it to young children]]. Its promotions on DisneyChannel, Creator/DisneyChannel, as well as its [[http://www.shopadidas.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=10869167&f=PAD%2FGender%2FKids Adidas apparel line]], and its [[http://www.disneystore.com/tron/vehicles-and-rc-toys/mn/1000056+1000268/ large]] [[http://www.disneystore.com/tron/action-figures/mn/1000056+1000255/ collection]] of {{toys}}, all of which are made and meant for children.
8th Aug '16 10:37:31 AM WhatArtThee
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Considering that the 2010 {{sequel}} has a DarkerAndEdgier plot and [[LudicrousGibs much more brutal]] [[NeverSayDie deresolutions]] than the [[Film/{{Tron}} 1982 original]][[note]]Many of the arena deaths, for example, dismemberment and splatter easily compare with similar scenes in Film/{{Gladiator}}, possibly being a nod to Scott's epic, only swapping dissolving luminescent cubes for real blood and gore.[[/note]], one could easily be shocked that this film, unlike its predecessor, was intended for kids. This can't possibly be stressed enough. The movie is about as close to {{Gorn}} as you can get without showing any blood, the villain is essentially [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Hitler]], and there are a lot of references that [[ParentalBonus go straight over a kid's head...]] and somehow it still managed to get a PG rating, with Creator/{{Disney}} somehow not realizing that their movie was '''very''' kid-unfriendly and [[MisaimedMarketing marketing it to young children]]. Its promotions on DisneyChannel, as well as its [[http://www.shopadidas.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=10869167&f=PAD%2FGender%2FKids Adidas apparel line]], and its [[http://www.disneystore.com/tron/vehicles-and-rc-toys/mn/1000056+1000268/ large]] [[http://www.disneystore.com/tron/action-figures/mn/1000056+1000255/ collection]] of {{toys}}, all of which are made and meant for children.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Considering that the 2010 {{sequel}} has a DarkerAndEdgier plot and [[LudicrousGibs much more brutal]] [[NeverSayDie deresolutions]] than the [[Film/{{Tron}} 1982 original]][[note]]Many of the arena deaths, for example, dismemberment and splatter easily compare with similar scenes in Film/{{Gladiator}}, possibly being a nod to Scott's epic, only swapping dissolving luminescent cubes for real blood and gore.[[/note]], one could easily be shocked that this film, unlike its predecessor, was intended for kids. This can't possibly be stressed enough. The movie is about as close to {{Gorn}} as you can get without showing any blood, the villain is essentially [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Hitler]], and there are a lot of references jokes that [[ParentalBonus [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar go straight over a kid's head...]] and somehow it still managed to get a PG rating, with Creator/{{Disney}} somehow not realizing that their movie was '''very''' kid-unfriendly and [[MisaimedMarketing marketing it to young children]]. Its promotions on DisneyChannel, as well as its [[http://www.shopadidas.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=10869167&f=PAD%2FGender%2FKids Adidas apparel line]], and its [[http://www.disneystore.com/tron/vehicles-and-rc-toys/mn/1000056+1000268/ large]] [[http://www.disneystore.com/tron/action-figures/mn/1000056+1000255/ collection]] of {{toys}}, all of which are made and meant for children.
7th Aug '16 10:06:44 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Kevin Flynn's moral compass or possible lack thereof is a hot topic of debate, depending on what fan board you head to. Tron Sector's fanbase is more inclined to see him as a well-intentioned, benevolent figure unjustly exiled and imprisoned. Fans on Tumblr's Tron section lean more toward a darker view, to the point of arguing he was a high-functioning sociopath enamored of virtual godhood. As ''Legacy'' was written by [[{{Series/LOST}} Adam Horowitz]] and [[{{Series/OnceUponATime}} Edward Kitsis]], [[GrayAndGrayMorality any interpretation on the spectrum is possible]].

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Kevin Flynn's moral compass or possible lack thereof is a hot topic of debate, depending on what fan board you head to. Tron Sector's fanbase is more inclined to see him as a well-intentioned, benevolent figure unjustly exiled and imprisoned. Fans on Tumblr's Tron section lean more toward a darker view, to the point of arguing he was a high-functioning sociopath enamored of virtual godhood. As ''Legacy'' was written by [[{{Series/LOST}} Adam Horowitz]] and [[{{Series/OnceUponATime}} Edward Kitsis]], [[GrayAndGrayMorality any interpretation on the spectrum is possible]].
26th Jun '16 6:18:46 AM Allronix
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* UnintentionallySympathetic/UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As much of a monster and nasty piece of work Clu is? He's doing ''exactly'' what his creator designed him to do and may not even be capable of understanding just how terrible his actions were because Programs [[BlueAndOrangeMorality are not operating with the same moral parameters as a human]]. Flynn lost a lot of sympathy in the fanbase once they checked out the ExpandedUniverse; he is something of a jerk to his friends and family, taking their devotion for granted, lies to everyone (including his wife!) about what he's up to, blows off multiple warnings about The Grid's instability, the Program/Iso tensions, Clu's ambition, etc. His only appearance in ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising'' being something of a [[JerkassGod Jackass User]] and not healing [[WesternAnimation/TronUprising Dyson]] ([[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal which caused Dyson to be one of Clu's lieutenants during the coup]]). Top it off with deciding to self-imprison himself in the Outlands and devote everything to protecting Quorra while the Programs are left to Clu's dubious mercy, justifying it with a throwaway line about how resisting Clu would somehow make him "stronger" when Clu already has full run of The Grid.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic/UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As much of a monster and nasty piece of work Clu is? He's doing ''exactly'' what his creator designed him to do and may not even be capable of understanding just how terrible his actions were because Programs [[BlueAndOrangeMorality are not operating with the same moral parameters as a human]]. Flynn lost a lot of sympathy in the fanbase once they checked out the ExpandedUniverse; he is something of a jerk to his friends and family, taking their devotion for granted, lies to everyone (including his wife!) about what he's up to, blows off multiple warnings about The Grid's instability, the Program/Iso tensions, Clu's ambition, etc. His only appearance in ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising'' being something of a [[JerkassGod Jackass User]] and not healing [[WesternAnimation/TronUprising Dyson]] ([[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal which caused Dyson to be one of Clu's lieutenants during the coup]]). Top it off with deciding to self-imprison himself in the Outlands and devote everything to protecting Quorra while the Programs are left to Clu's dubious mercy, justifying it with a throwaway line about how resisting Clu would somehow make him "stronger" when Clu already has full run of The Grid.
26th Jun '16 6:10:26 AM Allronix
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* UnintentionallySympathetic/UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As much of a monster and nasty piece of work Clu is? He's doing ''exactly'' what his creator designed him to do and may not even be capable of understanding just how terrible his actions were because Programs [[BlueAndOrangeMorality are not operating with the same moral parameters as a human]]. Flynn lost a lot of sympathy in the fanbase once they checked out the ExpandedUniverse; he is something of a jerk to his friends and family, taking their devotion for granted, lies to everyone (including his wife!) about what he's up to, blows off multiple warnings about The Grid's instability, the Program/Iso tensions, Clu's ambition, etc. Top it off with being something of a [[JerkassGod Jackass User]] and not healing [[WesternAnimation/TronUprising Dyson]] (which caused Dyson to be one of Clu's lieutenants during the coup). Top it off with deciding to self-imprison himself in the Outlands and devote everything to protecting Quorra while the Programs are left to Clu's dubious mercy, justifying it with a throwaway line about how resisting Clu would somehow make him "stronger" when Clu already has full run of The Grid.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic/UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As much of a monster and nasty piece of work Clu is? He's doing ''exactly'' what his creator designed him to do and may not even be capable of understanding just how terrible his actions were because Programs [[BlueAndOrangeMorality are not operating with the same moral parameters as a human]]. Flynn lost a lot of sympathy in the fanbase once they checked out the ExpandedUniverse; he is something of a jerk to his friends and family, taking their devotion for granted, lies to everyone (including his wife!) about what he's up to, blows off multiple warnings about The Grid's instability, the Program/Iso tensions, Clu's ambition, etc. Top it off with His only appearance in ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising'' being something of a [[JerkassGod Jackass User]] and not healing [[WesternAnimation/TronUprising Dyson]] (which ([[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal which caused Dyson to be one of Clu's lieutenants during the coup).coup]]). Top it off with deciding to self-imprison himself in the Outlands and devote everything to protecting Quorra while the Programs are left to Clu's dubious mercy, justifying it with a throwaway line about how resisting Clu would somehow make him "stronger" when Clu already has full run of The Grid.
21st Jun '16 3:51:16 PM Allronix
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* UnintentionallySympathetic/UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As much of a monster and nasty piece of work Clu is? He's doing ''exactly'' what his creator designed him to do and may not even be capable of understanding just how terrible his actions were because Programs [[BlueAndOrangeMorality are not operating with the same moral parameters as a human]]. Flynn lost a lot of sympathy in the fanbase once they checked out the ExpandedUniverse; he is something of a jerk to his friends and family, taking their devotion for granted, lies to everyone (including his wife!) about what he's up to, blows off multiple warnings about The Grid's instability, the Program/Iso tensions, Clu's ambition, etc. Top it off with being something of a [[JerkassGod Jackass User]] and not healing [[WesternAnimation/TronUprising Dyson]] (which caused Dyson to be one of Clu's lieutenants during the coup). Top it off with deciding to self-imprison himself in the Outlands and devote everything to protecting Quorra while the Programs are left to Clu's dubious mercy, justifying it with a throwaway line about how resisting Clu would somehow make him "stronger" when Clu already has full run of The Grid.
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