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3	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Shares a page with the rest of the franchise [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/TalesSeries here]].
4	* AngstWhatAngst: Kyle's [[spoiler: father was killed in front of him and his mother was crippled.]] He's sad about it, but doesn't seem to mind too much even when he remembers. Averted with Loni, who does remember and ''is'' upset about it, and with Harold and Judas, who both lose loved ones but just don't show their sadness too openly- Certain skits do show they're still pretty sad about their losses.
5	* AntiFrustrationFeatures: Shares a page with the rest of the franchise [[AntiFrustrationFeatures/TalesSeries here]].
6	* AwesomeEgo: Harold in-universe is very self-confident in her genius and abilities. Fans love her CrazyIsCool and her GameBreaker status.
7	* BaseBreakingCharacter: Judas, [[spoiler:otherwise known as Leon mostly due to the fact that he is the only returning party member from the original game. While his story arc and interactions are considered to be good, some players had trouble forgiving for his abusive actions in the previous game and how dark he made the first half of the game feel. Then there are those who saw his inclusion as pandering to his diehard fans, especially considering he actually outlives Stahn, the main character of the original game.]]
8	* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: A party of Kyle, Reala, Judas, and Harold are pretty much the ''only'' party you will see use of, Nanaly and Loni are usually ditched the first chance the other three come along and stay along.
9	* CompleteMonster: [[BloodKnight Barbatos Goetia]], a former member of the Er'ther Army, [[DirtyCoward sold out his people]] to the Aetherians during the Aeth'er Wars so that he could be on the winning side. Due to the scale of the atrocities he committed, Barbatos's name was removed from history altogether. Following his resurrection by [[BigBad Elraine]], Barbatos [[TheDragon acts]] as her [[PsychoForHire personal assassin]], going after the heroes who saved the world from the resurrection of the Aethersphere and the superweapon Belcrant. In order to kill two of these heroes, Stahn and Rutee, Babartos uses a little boy as a hostage and [[WouldHurtAChild threatens to kill him]] unless they drop their weapons. After they do so, Barbatos kills Stahn and cripples Rutee. Barbatos then tries to kill High Priestess Philia Felice and King Garr Kelvin of Phandaria, the latter of which he attempts to kill after crashing an airship into the royal castle as a distraction. When he returns with Elraine to the past, Barbatos encounters Dymlos, the old enemy who had killed him, and, in revenge, kidnaps a girl who's in love with Dymlos to use her as a hostage to force the weakened Dymlos to duel him. [[ItsAllAboutMe Utterly self-centered]], Barbatos's ultimate goal and obsession is to force history to recognize him as a hero, even as he commits every evil deed imaginable and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood has no comprehension]] of what [[WrongGenreSavvy true heroism is]].
10	* CrazyIsCool: Harold borders on this. During one skit, she offers Loni some home-cooked food. Loni (correctly) guesses that she's spiked the food with paralysing powder so that she can drag his body off for experimentation, and eats some of Nanaly's food instead. Turns out, Harold ''knew'' he'd come to that conclusion and switched the plates.
11	** The full version of her last Mystic Arte, Crazy Comet, is this as well as a GameBreaker.
12	* DemonicSpiders: Any Reaper or Ghost enemies, which like to teleport around out of reach (usually behind a StoneWall type enemy) and cast high level magic. Even worse is that where you find one, you will find the other, and it is possible for encounters to comprise of only Ghosts and Reapers constantly casting magic at you and trapping you in a CycleOfHurting.
13	** The Egg and Cyclops enemies in Spiral Cave are both incredibly annoying for different reasons. The Eggs are annoying because they [[DamageSponge soak up a ton of damage]] and ruin your Grade, while the Cyclops teleport around out of reach to cast magic.
14	* DifficultySpike: The Er'ther Wars segment of the game, where enemies will regularly begin to appear in the level 50s and have large chunks of HP. The game also features several [[TimedMission timed missions]], introduces some of the DemonicSpider Eye enemies, and the second of several Barbatos fights. [[GameBreaker Harold]] joins the party around this time for good reason.
15	* EnsembleDarkhorse: Nanaly Fletch may also be a minor version of this, appearing/announced for spinoff games first before [[TheHero Kyle]] even appears/get announced. She even appeared overseas ''first'' out of all the cast. (She appeared as a cameo boss in ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss''.)
16	* FridgeLogic:
17	** How did Judas carry [[spoiler: five]] swords on him when he performed his BigDamnHeroes moment and pull them out so easily? It's hard enough to carry more than two, and he was trying to conceal at least one of them.
18	** Where does Judas keep getting new masks after performing Infernal Suffering?
19	* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The game is one of the highest selling {{Role Playing Game}}s for the [=PS2=] in Taiwan.
20	* GoodBadBugs: The Title Glitch, which done properly boosts characters' growth patterns significantly and nullifies their weak stats.
21	** The summon glitch allowing Nanaly to summon Efreet and Undine, giving her access to two more hi-ougis.
22	* GrowingTheBeard: Despite some mixed reactions to some story elements, this game is the first to introduce two of the franchise's staples- Grade and the Grade Shop for use on a NewGamePlus. It also included a polished (though still slightly unusual) Mystic Arte system.
23	* HilariousInHindsight:
24	** In a sidequest [[spoiler:exclusive to the epilogue]], you have to hunt for a flower called Berseria Flower in order to make a medicine required to cure Nanaly’s little brother from his supposedly-incurable illness. ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' stars an older sister who is motivated by the death of her little brother, and a sidequest chain in the game centers around making the medicine for a little brother’s supposedly-incurable illness. Worth noting that the origins of both “Berseria” are different[[note]]Berseria Flower is named as such because it only grows in a soil enhanced by Berselium ores, while ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' is named after “berserk”[[/note]].
25	** "Nanaly" is very similar to the name "Nunally" from ''Franchise/CodeGeass''. What's more, Jun Fukuyama acted in both... as main characters.
26	* InferredHolocaust: With Elraine creating several Bad Futures, including one spanning a thousand years in length with only three surviving cities, millions of people would have been erased from existence. This is retconned in the end, but it doesn't make it any less horrific.
27	* ItWasHisSled: The fact that it is obviously [[spoiler:Leon beneath that mask]] has been lampshaded and parodied quite a bit. Here are [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYXiJVwYEQM a]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_wsryWSlHE few]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrQ7vhOriXw examples]].
28	** Heck, some dramas treat this as a PaperThinDisguise. one good one was when Stahn saw [[spoiler: Leon]] (as Judas) and greeted him as [[spoiler: Leon]].
29	* LoveToHate: Barbatos Goetia. He's a horrific villain, but also a very over-the-top and entertaining LargeHam, especially in skits. People don't soften the evil things he's done, but love him for his vileness and intelligence.
30	* LowTierLetdown: Nanaly. She only has one Mystic Arte, compared to the several that other characters do, and her very fragile playstyle doesn't mesh well with the game's emphasis on defending the spellcasters so they can nuke the field, as Nanaly doesn't output enough damage to justify removing a mage to field her. People tend to ditch her when Harold comes along. A rather unfortunate example, since Nanaly is ''beloved'' character-wise.
31	* MagnificentBitch: [[LightIsNotGood Elra(i)ne]], [[DarkMessiah Holy Woman of the Order of Atamoni]], yearns to offer salvation to humanity by altering the events of the past to better align it with her vision of an ideal world that [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans surrenders free will for lasting peace]]. Possessed of a graceful demeanor yet powerful voice, Elrane conducts religious sermons that charm the masses of Dycroft who [[VillainWithGoodPublicity revere her as the manifestation of the goddess Fortuna herself]], wrapping almost all of the entire setting around her finger while surreptitiously collecting huge amounts of Lens for the purpose of creating her utopia. In the interest of maintaining such a favorable position, Elrane enlists Barbatos Goetia as her personal assassin to eliminate threats to her goals without exposing herself. Even when she meets her end at the Egg of God, Elrane expresses regret she could not usher in the best age of mankind she envisioned, [[IDidWhatIHadToDo feeling justified in changing the timeline and slaughtering heroes in the name of Fortuna]].
32	* MemeticMutation: Judas's mask and how [[PaperThinDisguise ineffective at hiding his true identity]] it is has become somewhat of a RunningGag amongst the ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' fandom, especially in Japan.
33	** NO ITEMS EVER![[note]]Barbatos Goetia has a counterattack for when the player uses either items or spells, depending on the fight. The item variant became a popular meme and returns whenever he appears as a {{Superboss}} in later ''Tales'' games.[[/note]]
34	* NarmCharm: Kyle's famous "[[SayMyName REEEAAAALAAAAA]]" is either this or a TearJerker.
35	* OnceOriginalNowCommon: Despite the influence of the game being felt across later installments (see GrowingTheBeard), it was still made before Tales became known for its [[DeconstructorFleet deconstructionist]] plots. As a result, long-term fans who joined in the later installments may find this one difficult to get into. What's more, some fans who heard of this game through Nanaly's importance in later games were somewhat disappointed that [[SpotlightStealingSquad the game is more about Reala]] than her.
36	* PanderingToTheBase: Fan response and love for Leon Magnus was so strong that he was not only brought back in this game [[FirstLawOfResurrection despite having died in the first,]] but he was given significant CharacterDevelopment to acknowledge his flaws and become a much better person. This was so well-received his character as Judas influenced all future portrayals of the character in both spinoff media and the [=PS2=] remake of the original game.
37	* RetroactiveRecognition: This is one of the earlier Japanese media that featured Creator/JunFukuyama, where his main forte was basically naive young IdiotHero like Kyle. It'll be years later until he became much more recognized as the LargeHam MagnificentBastard [[Franchise/CodeGeass Lelouch vi Britannia]].
38	* RomanticPlotTumour: Some people feel Kyle and Reala's romance plot, while well-developed and quite tragic, took the spotlight off of the more interesting side characters, leaving them there for gameplay and comedic purposes rather than any story significance starting in the third part of the game.
39	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Because of Reala's [[SpotlightStealingSquad tendency to be in the spotlight more]], some characters, like Loni and Nanaly, kind of stops being relevant after the LotusEaterMachine arc.
40	** Harold may be a minor example, as she only joins the party late in the game and her arc ends fairly abruptly with [[spoiler: her brother's death]]. She does get a few skits afterwards (and one is a SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment\|s}}), but for the most part afterwards she only serves for exposition and comedic purposes. And to have a full-out mage.
41	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Many plot threads, especially near the end of the game, are quickly glossed over, such as the budding friendship between Harold and Judas over similar ruthless ideals and losses of people close to them, the revelation that Stahn was [[spoiler: DeadAllAlong, with Kyle witnessing his father's death]], Phillia possibly recognizing Judas, the StableTimeLoop created by [[spoiler: Chaltier's]] sacrifice (which causes some [[TimeyWimeyBall timey wimey]] FridgeLogic with the game's ending taken into account) and anything to do with Nanaly and Loni that didn't involve each other to instead focus on Kyle and Reala's relationship. While the development was good to avoid any [[StrangledByTheRedString string strangling that some Tales games suffer with official couples]], that's a lot of glossed over material.

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