Line #11 YMMV/SuicideSilence


1	* BrokenBase: The self-titled album. Depending on who you ask it either sounds like a bad {{Music/Korn}} ripoff or is a bold new direction for the band.
2	** ''No Time to Bleed'': EvenBetterSequel, or the point where they started going downhill?
3	** ''The Black Crown'': A major point of growth, or the point where they listened to ''[[Music/{{Korn}} Follow the Leader]]'' way too much and disappeared up their own asses?
4	** ''Become the Hunter'': The first Eddie album that can stand up to the Mitch albums and the band successfully redeeming itself, or an over-the-hill band that doesn't give a fuck writing a phoned-in deathcore album after making it clear that they really wanted to be nu metal because they have bills to pay?
5	** Debates range as to whether or not Eddie is on par with Mitch, minus all the [[OvershadowedByControversy drama surrounding him]], as well as [[TakeAThirdOption the people who contend that Eddie is by far the better vocalist from a technical standpoint, but was not the right choice for the band]] (often for [[TooQualifiedToApply precisely that reason]]).
6	* CondemnedByHistory: Despite being scoffed at by metal purists, they managed to become hugely successful during the deathcore boom of the late 2000s, and even the death of Mitch Lucker seemed to be nothing but a speed bump after his replacement by Eddie Hermida. However, this good luck would come to a screeching halt with the release of their self-titled fifth album, which saw them make a GenreShift to NuMetal. Professional critics were ambivalent about the album, but fans were outraged by what they saw as the band selling out. To make matters worse, Eddie Hermida was accused of sexual harassment. While he managed to escape legal consequences, the damage was done. While the band would return to their classic sound with ''Become The Hunter'' and ''Remember... You Must Die'', both albums have been poor sellers [[AcclaimedFlop despite a positive reception from critics]]. Today, the band stands as another cautionary tale of what happens when you piss off your fans.
7	* CriticalDissonance: Their first two albums were well-received, however due to their EmoTeen image, the band was quickly derided by pretty much every serious DeathMetal fan out there. By the time Mitch Lucker died, however, many metalheads had started to warm to them.
8	* FandomRivalry: With Music/{{Carnifex}}, maybe due to the two bands having very similar sounds, and Carnifex was often derided as a Suicide Silence clone early in their career before the release of ''[[GrowingTheBeard Hell Chose Me]]''.
9	* FirstInstallmentWins: While just ''how'' much better it is is a common matter of debate (from "I like most of their stuff, but they just never topped the first one" to "everything after ''The Cleansing'' is complete shit"), most fans will agree that ''The Cleansing'' is still their best album.
10	* MemeticMutation: The Lucker Stomp. Not only is it used a lot among fans, other bands have lately been using it as a shoutout/tribute. Primarily Music/BringMeTheHorizon singer Oli Sykes doing it at least once in every video for their next album.
11	** The chorus of the single off their self-titled, "Doris", brought us "Tee-hee!'"[[note]] the actual lyrics are "to give..." but the falsetto Eddie Hermida sings the lyrics in sounds like giggling.[[/note]]
12	* MisBlamed: Eddie was the prime scapegoat for the self-titled, but in reality, he was one of the least responsible parties. The fact of the matter is that Lucker was just as much of a Korn fan as Garza and Lopez (who were always the nu metal guys in the band, and who were the driving force behind the self-titled's creation) and had been taking vocal lessons before his death to expand into cleans, and had in fact written out Jonathan Davis' guest vocal parts on "Witness the Addiction". Furthermore, their music from ''No Time to Bleed'' onward had had extremely prominent nu metal elements. Lastly, Garza confirmed in an interview that the self-titled was originally slated to be the followup to ''The Black Crown'', and the only reason that ''You Can't Stop Me'' even happened was because Lucker's death threw a gigantic monkey wrench into everything and they needed a safe album while they figured everything out.
13	* OvershadowedByControversy: There are multiple reasons why the modern iteration of the band is generally treated like a laughingstock: the disastrous reception of their self-titled and their [[DearNegativeReader abysmal handling]] of the situation did a lot to hurt their reputation, but the public outing of Eddie for attempting to groom an unstable and obsessed young female fan did just as much, if not more (especially when they had to rerecord a song for ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry5'' with a different vocalist just so their contribution wouldn't be cut), as did some embarrassing live performances (namely an off-key cover of [[Music/{{Nirvana}} "Smells Like Teen Spirit"]], as well as an attempt by Eddie to get a South American festival crowd chant going for [[AudienceParticipationSong "No Pity for a Coward"]] and barely getting one); it is telling that most fan comments on their social media pages are hostile and mocking and their overall current reception borders on negative. This was even further cemented when ''Rare Ass Shit'' was announced; instead of rejoicing at the ability to legitimately obtain the self-titled EP (which had been [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes impossible to obtain]] without torrenting it or paying massive amounts of money online for rare used copies for over a decade), most fans responded with some variation of "you really must be hurting for money" or "just break up already".
14	* PosthumousPopularityPotential: Mitch's wife herself was willing to admit he had a serious drinking problem and died in a reckless and stupid way. This trope, and the wider knowledge of what a generally nice person Mitch was have definitely protected his image though.
15	* SignatureSong: A roughly three-way split between "Unanswered", "Disengage", and "You Only Live Once" that really depends on who you ask.
16	* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: How some felt about the "Them Bones" cover...And that's putting it very lightly without flamebait.
17	** The band shifting to nu metal on their self-titled album did not go over well with fans, to put it mildly.
18	* TearJerker: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spji50Z8Lls&feature=youtu.be Mitch Lucker Documentary.]] The whole thing is a tribute to Mitch, and showed the impact he had on others. Its really hard not to choke up during the last bit, especially when seeing Mitch's mom and Dan Kenny trying very hard not to cry on camera.
19	* VindicatedByHistory: Much of the criticism that plagued the band's early career died down around a year or so after Lucker's death.
20	* WinBackTheCrowd: After a ''very'' long AudienceAlienatingEra that had rendered the band OvershadowedByControversy, most people had written them off as a has-been legacy act. ''Remember... You Must Die'' wound up giving them a second lease on life; while the singles had people cautiously optimistic, the album was almost unanimously viewed as their best since the Mitch era.

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