Line #6 YMMV/RedDragon


1	* AlasPoorScrappy: Freddy Lounds is a (intentionally) completely unlikable character, but he certainly didn't deserve [[spoiler: to be set on fire by Dolarhyde, especially since it was revenge for writing lies that GRAHAM told him]].
2	** The recording of Lounds forced to deliver Dolarhyde's message is the point where the investigators realize that they've been underestimating their unsub. Tooth Fairy? Who's that?
3	--->'''Lounds''': ''I have had a great privilege. I have seen with... wonder and awe the strength of the Great Red Dragon. He has helped me to understand his splendor... and now I want to serve him. He knows you made me lie, Will Graham. Because I was forced to lie... he will be more merciful to me than to you.''
4	** [[spoiler: Ralph Mandy, too]]. He was annoying for pestering Reba, but his end was horrible. Averted in the book, where he did absolutely nothing to earn his death.
5	* AluminumChristmasTrees: "The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed In Sun" is a real painting, one in a series painted by Creator/WilliamBlake. It is currently housed in the Brooklyn Museum.
6	* BrokenBase: ''Manhunter'' (1986) vs ''Red Dragon'' (2002); which is better? While critical consensus leans sharply in favor of ''Manhunter'' (featuring a 92% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes compared to ''Red Dragon''[='s=] 68%), the audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes and viewer ratings on Website/IMDb for both films are essentially equal (7.2/10, though ''Red Dragon'' has nearly four times as many votes), so it's definitely a case where it's a matter of opinion varying from person to person.
7	* SugarWiki/CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Will using his empathetic insight backed up by detective analysis to gain [[spoiler: the crucial brain-wave: the Red Dragon prepared for his murders by watching the same home films Will is currently watching]].
8	** [[spoiler:Will's quick wit using what he learned about Dolarhyde's youth to save Josh, whom Dolarhyde is holding at shardpoint, by "scolding" him have Dolarhyde enraged enough to attack Will instead.]]
9	* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hannibal Lecter. It's easy to forget that he only appears in a handful of pages in the original novel. He's so popular that the ''Red Dragon'' film widely expanded his role.
10	* FirstInstalmentWins: Widely agreed to be the equal-best of the four Hannibal Lecter novels, alongside its sequel.
11	* MindGameShip: Will and Hannibal, of course.
12	* {{Narm}}: Lounds' murder is incredibly over the top to the point where it's equal parts terrifying, disgusting, and hilarious, particularly when Dolarhyde bites out Lounds' tongue with an action that, if not for the screaming, would look like a deep kiss.
13	* NarmCharm: "Ride with me. For my pleasure." Helped by Ralph Fiennes' accent. Strays into FridgeBrilliance, as the line is deliberately clumsy to illustrate just how socially crippled Dolarhyde is.
14	** The particularly [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment odd]] detail of Reba... Ahem, ''petting'' the tiger while she's petting it. Despite being very strange, it effectively parallels the blend of danger and sensuality that her relationship with Dolarhyde has, and is one of the more notable things people remember from the film.
15	* OnceOriginalNowCommon: Some modern readers have decried Dolarhyde, a [[AxeCrazy vicious psychopath who does the most horrible things possible]] to the most undeserving people possible but [[FreudianExcuse has a traumatic childhood that makes him sympathetic]], as a cliche. Clearly they're unaware of how groundbreaking this was at the time. Graham even sums it up succinctly: "As a child, I weep for him. As a man, he's irredeemable." What happened to Dolarhyde was tragic, but right now he's a maniac who needs to be stopped.
16	* RetroactiveRecognition: In the 2002 film, the doctor at the zoo is played by an uncredited James "Dr. Richard Webber of ''Series/GreysAnatomy''" Pickens Jr.
17	* SpoiledByTheFormat: When [[spoiler:Dolarhyde apparently commits suicide]], there's still a good chunk of pages left, and unlike the sequel there's no danger of Lecter's escape. Also doubles as a HopeSpot.
18	* {{Squick}}: What Dolarhyde does with his victims.
19	** And later on when Reba has sex with him and fellates him. One must hope he is a thorough washer after he "changes" people, for Reba's sake.
20	** In the book there's Dolarhyde's introduction in which he enjoys a home movie of one of his killings just a little too much.
21	** Related to the two above posts, Dolarhyde is watching a video of the next family he intends to murder. Reba sidles up to him and is quite pleased to find that he has an erection. Is it from her ministrations--or the thought of ''killing these people''?!
22	* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The 2002 film fared better with critics and audiences than ''Literature/{{Hannibal}}''; the fact that the source book was already well-regarded and already had [[Film/{{Manhunter}} another cult favorite adaptation]] nearly 20 years earlier likely helped.
23	* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The plot hinges on Dolarhyde's employment at a film processing facility. He discovers his victims via the home movies they send in for processing and uses the home movies to learn the layouts of the home and any obstacles in his way. His job quickly became obsolete with the rise of camcorders just a few years later, and nowadays the ubiquity of smartphones and video editing software makes his job next-to-nonfunctional. The 2002 film adaptation pushed him slightly ahead of his literary counterpart: in the book he processes film for use in projectors, while in the movie he edits multiple home videotapes onto one tape. Of note is that the original book was set in 1979, while both film adaptations shoot for a mid-80's setting (which was contemporary for ''Manhunter'', but in the 2002 film's case is done to preserve continuity with ''Literature/TheSilenceOfTheLambs''; the latter case is an AvertedTrope though, given that the 2002 film is an ''intentional'' period piece).
24	* WTHCostumingDepartment: Hannibal Lecter's ponytail look in the early scenes of the 2002 movie was met with derision by a substantial part of the audience, who considered it to be improperly tacky for such a refined character. Fortunately, once the story leaps forward, Dr. Lecter gets a more fitting haircut.
25	* TheWoobie:
26	** Reba [=McClane=], particularly as played by Creator/EmilyWatson.
27	** Also Francis Dolarhyde as a little boy, who was mercilessly abused by his grandmother. Graham even makes a note of how much his heart goes out for the boy Francis once was, but that the same cannot be said of the man he grew up to be, who's a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds ''at best.''

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