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1	[[WMG: Date Masamune saw the future]]
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3	Somehow he managed to see the future circa 1980' and he was really fond of it, but somehow he saw punk/metal subculture and that's why he styled his horse with Harley Davidson exhaust pipes and remembered a few english phrases. Most likely he also liked ''Guns'n'Roses'', and that's why he says 'PUT YA GUNS ON'.
4	* So... Date is a Time Lord? (filling the quota)
5	* One of the things the real Date was known for was an interest in Western culture, this was probably how the writers chose to display that trait.
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7	[[WMG:Sanada Yukimura is Takeda Shingen]]
8	Ok here we go.
9	So far it's obvious that Oyakata-sama dies before the events of ''Sengoku Basara 3'' which is the main reason Yukimura became bitter and wanted revenge on Tokugawa. Taking torch after his beloved mentor he managed to lead a great campaign against Tokugawa and he was very close to killing him but exhausted with fighting he couldn't protect himself anymore. The last opponent he faced was Honda Tadakatsu. Tadakatsu being an existence powered with [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann spiral power]] took pity on Yukimura, who was always his worthy opponent and gave him another chance, using his power to send Yukimura back in time to circa 1573 where the real Shingen died. After Yukimura recovered he took his name and changed his appearance to what we know as ''Basara'''s Takeda Shingen. He also took care of his younger self and tried to change his fate, but actually he only caused a StableTimeLoop.
10	* Natch, [[spoiler: Takeda Shingen appears at the end of Sanada Yukimura's second story, alive and well.]]
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12	[[WMG: Capcom has once again reignited the '[[Franchise/StreetFighter Dan]] [[JokeCharacter Hibiki]]' rivalry with KOEI]]
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14	The chronological release of ''Samurai Warriors'' and ''Sengoku Basara'' are as follows (Japanese releases):
15	* November 2nd, 2004: Koei released ''Sengoku Musou''
16	* July 21st, 2005: Capcom released ''Sengoku Basara''
17	* February 24th, 2006: Koei released ''Sengoku Musou 2''
18	* July 27th, 2006: Capcom released ''Sengoku Basara 2''
19	* March 21st, 2007: Koei released ''[[VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi Musou Orochi]]''
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21	Now, if we look at the timeline, Naoe Kanetsugu was first introduced in ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors 2'' by KOEI, as a fairly serious figure and judging by how they like portraying the Tokugawa as the eventual villain, they team Kanetsugu up with Yukimura and Mitsunari, and they form the main PowerTrio, which thanks to Yukimura being the poster boy, get to be the heroes.
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23	Then come ''Sengoku Basara 2'', Capcom implemented Kanetsugu... as the JokeCharacter who kept screaming "I'M INVINCIBLE!!/MUTEKI!!!".
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25	Koei was mightily pissed.
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27	So, come ''VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi'', Koei decidedly picked two of ''Basara'''s PowerTrio of poster boys, Masamune and Keiji, and turn them into Orochi's underlings. They obviously can't do it with Yukimura since Yukimura is also their poster boy. This status quo continues to ''Warriors Orochi 2''.
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29	Now, Capcom has added fuel to the fire by making Mitsunari in ''Sengoku Basara 3'' a screaming emo who is dark and has few morals. And Kanetsugu is STILL the JokeCharacter.
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31	How will this rivalry continue?
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33	** Well, I do not actually dislike Mitsunari. Looking at it from a sympathetic POV, the guy he viewed as a God figure died. Most likely Hideyoshi did something for Mitsunari that resulted in his current personality. I actually found this Mitsunari more interesting and conflicting than the weird honorable tactician who uses all kinds of strategies, then suddenly throws em away for honor on Sekigahara.
34	** Never mind that Capcom Mitsunari is more capable in battle and KOEI Mitsunari was never a poster boy. The one who got it hard is Kanbe: Brilliant strategist in ''Warriors'' and complete idiot in ''Basara''.
35	*** This may actually go way back before ''Sengoku Basara 2''. Before that, there was ''Kessen 3'', which gives UsefulNotes/OdaNobunaga a sympathetic light. Which would be okay, if KOEI didn't include that one scene where Nobunaga slays Akechi Hidemitsu AKA Samanosuke, protagonist of ''VideoGame/{{Onimusha}}''. Capcom did not take the treatment of their ''Onimusha'''s main protagonist well, so they retaliated with Kanetsugu's portrayal, continuing the fire.
36	*** If the fire is also from ''Onimusha'', then Chronicles 2nd continued it. [[UsefulNotes/YagyuJubei Yagyu Munenori]]: In ''Warriors'' he's a just and honorable swordsman wanting the war to just end. In ''Onimusha'', he's an utterly evil prick.
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38	It's worth noting however that ''Samurai Warriors 3'' treated Masamune [[JerkassWoobie much more sympathetically]], while Capcom haven't taken any digs at SW3 poster-girl Kaihime (aside from maybe [[StayInTheKitchen not including her in the game]]).
39	* Although they did give a pretty blatant TakeThat to ''Basara'''s portrayal of Motonari:
40	-->'''Motonari''': Please, be careful what you say. Reputations are easily made and lost. Who knows, history may record me as a cold-hearted, ruthless and brilliant tactician.
41	-->'''Ginchiyo''': I wouldn't worry about that. Historians tend to prefer the facts too much.
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43	Most of KOEI cameo references in [=SB3=] looks like compliments rather then TakeThat:
44	* Tachibana Muneshige speaks about his wife as if she is MemeticBadass who is a better samurai then he in almost everything - she was portrated very similarly by KOEI.
45	* Hojo Ujiyasu can be mentioned in Odawara's castle stage as a much more popular leader than his son. KOEI's Ujiyasu is CoolOldGuy and Capcom's Ujimasa is GrumpyOldMan. Do the math.
46	* This one looks like InsultBackfire: Utsunomiya Hirotsuna wants to be a [[VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors Samurai Warrior]]. Too bad, KOEI doesn't make nobodies of whom even Website/TheOtherWiki has zero entry into their games cast.
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48	[[WMG: With Nobunaga and Hideyoshi out of the picture, there can only be one more [[BigBad Big Bad]] for ''Sengoku Basara 3'': Amakusa Shiro]]
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50	''VideoGame/SamuraiShodown'' and ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'' have both portrayed this guy for a villain. And the Shimabara uprising happened during the Tokugawa era. Think about it.
51	* Not sure about that. The basis of ''Sengoku Basara 3'' is Sekigahara. There's still the Osaka siege before Shimabara. Also, IIRC, Ieyasu would be long dead when Shimabara rolls in.
52	* Jossed. Nobunaga's the BigBad again. Maybe in ''4''.
53	** He's not so much the Big Bad as a GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere since he has nothing to do with the actual plot at hand. Technically Mitsunari is the Big Bad.
54	** Mitsunari always seemed more like a AntiHero Antagonist than the Big Bad. Both Yoshitsugu and Motonari fit the role much better considering they were manipulating him for their own goals.
55	* And Jossed again: BigBad of ''Utage'' is Matsunaga.
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57	[[WMG: The Saika Magoichi in ''Sengoku Basara 3'' is Lady Saika, (the real) Magoichi's wife]]
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59	In ''3'' it's revealed that she was in love with the previous Magoichi, and that she took over following his death.
60	* Jossed, Magoichi is a title, Saika is the clan name. Saika Magoichi can refer to three people historically. Magoichi is much like the Mongol's Kahn.
61	* Also, her story mode suggests that she was a child when the previous Magoichi was killed by Nobunaga.
62	* Her real name is [[TheDanza Sayaka]].
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64	[[WMG: Hideyori Toyotomi will show up in the next game, manipulated by Mitsunari, a Mori, and Yoshitsugu.]]
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66	* We can only hope for him and Hidetada Tokugawa.
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68	[[WMG: Yoshiaki and Tenkai will be manipulating everyone in ''[[TheMovie The Last Party]]'' in order to resurrect Oda Nobunaga.]]
69	Yoshiaki does mention how he waited for the return of Oda when you play as Oda on his stage. Meaning he didn't expect him to stay dead. Tenkai is doing it for the obvious reason. It would increase their chances of success if they worked together. The two of them will also try to backstab each other near the end since they want Oda to return for different reasons.
70	* Actually, it's Tenkai and Yoshitsugu. Yoshiaki, while a douchebag doesn't seem to be the kind to do things ForTheEvulz.
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72	[[WMG: The entire series is a historical reenactment performed by a biker gang.]]
73	Just think about it. It makes perfect sense.
74	* That explains why the Date clan, who are the most biker gang-esque, are the poster boys!
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76	[[WMG: The series is a very subtle sociopolitical satire]]
77	The message, history only remembers leaders, not the thousands who died for them.
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79	[[WMG: Hanzo Hattori has played a major role in all 3 games so far.]]
80	You've never seen him, though, because he's practically perfected the art of ninjutsu, to the point where he can effectively hide his presence from interdimensional voyeurs. Of course, considering his lord's most loyal retainer is a goddamned robot, maybe this guess isn't so wild after all.
81	* [[StealthMentor Hanzo is practically the ninjas who kept Ieyasu getting kidnapped before 3, all to shape both Ieyasu and Tadakatsu into the people they are right now]].
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83	[[WMG: Capcom is going to introduce Akihime.]]
84	Historically, Akihime (also known as Chikurinin) was Sanada Yukimura's wife... and Otani Yoshitsugu's foster-daughter. And according to the character page, by the third game, Yukimura seems to like the idea of marriage.
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86	[[WMG: The Toyotomi faction will be in Sengoku Basara 4]]
87	If Yoshitsugu gets a return to the series, the lineup will be:
88	* BigBad: Toyotomi Hideyoshi
89	* TheDragon: Takenaka Hanbe
90	* TheBrute: Ishida Mitsunari
91	* TheEvilGenius: Otani Yoshitsugu
92	* DarkActionGirl: Shima Sakon
93	* TheSixthRanger / TokenGoodTeammate: Tokugawa Ieyasu
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96	[[WMG: There will be a AU spin off game called Imjin Basara]]
97	In a universe that more closely followed Real History, after Toyotomi Hideyoshi had successfully united Japan, yet he wasn't content and so decided to look towards both Korea and China for new lands to take.
98	It would be a great chance to see many of the greatest Korean and Chinese heros of the Imjin War to face off their Japanese counterparts.
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100	[[WMG:Magoichi is not a native Japanese (probably European)]]
101	Just look at her: Red hair, Caucasian face and skin tone.. She was probably a European orphan brought by the traders (for whatever reason), then the Magoichi at that time adopted her and name her Sayaka.
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103	[[WMG: Nobunaga have access to some kind of world/dimension-jumping power.]]
104	VERY possible. In Nobunaga's Drama Route in "4", he [[spoiler: personally challenges Yoshiteru, who asked him something like “Are you perhaps interested, shall we say, you yourself from ANOTHER world?” — Cue Nobunaga appearing in Honno'ji (yup, the same spot where he supposedly met his doom in "1" and "2" at Mitsuhide's hands, and mad his hellish [[BackFromTheDead return]] in "3"), massacring everyone–including Mitsuhide and (gasp!) HIMSELF, before the whole world distorts and twists amidst his maniacal [[EvilLaugh guffaw]].]] The catch?—Remember how returning characters retained their movesets in "3" and "Utage"? in the [[spoiler: supposed AlternateUniverse]] that is "4", and Nobunaga STILL has access to that [[OneWingedAngel demonic silhouette]] that assists him in battle? It all makes sense now: [[spoiler: the other Nobunaga and Mitsuhide killed by world-jumping Nobunaga from "4" are the ones from the stories of "1" and "2"; and that badass from "3" is not The Demon King revived, but the more badass one from "4" who jumped to the world of "3", which story is a continuation of those of "1" and "2". ]]
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106	[[WMG: Nobunaga does not kill Katsuie to avoid falling into Yoshiteru's trap.]]
107	To avoid confusion, let's put this in chronological order: Yoshiteru wants to eliminate, or at least weaken, a formidable rival that is Oda Nobunaga, by provoking katsuie into rebelling, and even gave him soldiers to do so. If the rebellion succeeds, Nobunaga will die, or at least losing some of his influence that may cause small-scale rebellions to occur, keeping him busy or even giving Yoshiteru a chance to eliminate him by aiding the rebellions, and if it fails, the Oda forces will lose a capable warrior, crippling it quite considerably. Nobunaga saw through Yoshiteru's plan, therefore sparing katsuie's life and just demoting him. Yoshiteru even says that he didn't expect him (Katsuie) to turn out the way he did because he expected Katsuie to be dead after the failed rebellion.
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109	[[WMG: In a Superhero AU, the characters would use their Devil Kings names as their super name.]]
110	Seriously, a lot of their names would fit right in a superhero universe.
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