History WMG / SengokuBasara

8th May '16 7:33:52 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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So far it's obvious that Oyakata-sama dies before the events of ''Sengoku Basara 3'' which is the main reason Yukimura became bitter and wanted revenge on Tokugawa. Taking torch after his beloved mentor he managed to lead a great campaign against Tokugawa and he was very close to killing him but exhausted with fighting he couldn't protect himself anymore. The last opponent he faced was Honda Tadakatsu. Tadakatsu being an existence powered with [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann spiral power]] took pity on Yukimura, who was always his worthy opponent and gave him another chance, using his power to send Yukimura back in time to circa 1573 where the real Shingen died. After Yukimura recovered he took his name and changed his appearance to what we know as ''Basara'''s Takeda Shingen. He also took care of his younger self and tried to change his fate, but actually he only caused a StableTimeLoop.

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So far it's obvious that Oyakata-sama dies before the events of ''Sengoku Basara 3'' which is the main reason Yukimura became bitter and wanted revenge on Tokugawa. Taking torch after his beloved mentor he managed to lead a great campaign against Tokugawa and he was very close to killing him but exhausted with fighting he couldn't protect himself anymore. The last opponent he faced was Honda Tadakatsu. Tadakatsu being an existence powered with [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann spiral power]] took pity on Yukimura, who was always his worthy opponent and gave him another chance, using his power to send Yukimura back in time to circa 1573 where the real Shingen died. After Yukimura recovered he took his name and changed his appearance to what we know as ''Basara'''s Takeda Shingen. He also took care of his younger self and tried to change his fate, but actually he only caused a StableTimeLoop.
30th Sep '15 3:54:57 PM nombretomado
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*** This may actually go way back before ''Sengoku Basara 2''. Before that, there was ''Kessen 3'', which gives OdaNobunaga a sympathetic light. Which would be okay, if KOEI didn't include that one scene where Nobunaga slays Akechi Hidemitsu AKA Samanosuke, protagonist of ''{{Onimusha}}''. Capcom did not take the treatment of their ''Onimusha'''s main protagonist well, so they retaliated with Kanetsugu's portrayal, continuing the fire.

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*** This may actually go way back before ''Sengoku Basara 2''. Before that, there was ''Kessen 3'', which gives OdaNobunaga a sympathetic light. Which would be okay, if KOEI didn't include that one scene where Nobunaga slays Akechi Hidemitsu AKA Samanosuke, protagonist of ''{{Onimusha}}''.''VideoGame/{{Onimusha}}''. Capcom did not take the treatment of their ''Onimusha'''s main protagonist well, so they retaliated with Kanetsugu's portrayal, continuing the fire.
31st Mar '15 10:09:34 AM manusiabumi
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-----[[WMG: Nobunaga does not kill Katsuie to avoid falling into Yoshiteru's trap.]]
To avoid confusion, let's put this in chronological order: Yoshiteru wants to eliminate, or at least weaken, a formidable rival that is Oda Nobunaga, by provoking katsuie into rebelling, and even gave him soldiers to do so. If the rebellion succeeds, Nobunaga will die, or at least losing some of his influence that may cause small-scale rebellions to occur, keeping him busy or even giving Yoshiteru a chance to eliminate him by aiding the rebellions, and if it fails, the Oda forces will lose a capable warrior, crippling it quite considerably. Nobunaga saw through Yoshiteru's plan, therefore sparing katsuie's life and just demoting him. Yoshiteru even says that he didn't expect him (Katsuie) to turn out the way he did because he expected Katsuie to be dead after the failed rebellion.
10th Mar '15 10:13:15 AM TastySauce
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Somehow he managed to see the future circa 1980' and he was really fond of it, but somehow he saw punk/metal subculture and that's why he styled his horse with Harley Davidson exhaus pipes and remembered a few english phrases. Most likely he also liked ''Guns'n'Roses'', and that's why he says 'PUT YA GUNS ON'.

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Somehow he managed to see the future circa 1980' and he was really fond of it, but somehow he saw punk/metal subculture and that's why he styled his horse with Harley Davidson exhaus exhaust pipes and remembered a few english phrases. Most likely he also liked ''Guns'n'Roses'', and that's why he says 'PUT YA GUNS ON'.



The chronological release of ''SamuraiWarriors'' and ''Sengoku Basara'' are as follows (Japanese releases):

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The chronological release of ''SamuraiWarriors'' ''Samurai Warriors'' and ''Sengoku Basara'' are as follows (Japanese releases):



* March 21st, 2007: Koei released ''[[WarriorsOrochi Musou Orochi]]''

Now, if we look at the timeline, Naoe Kanetsugu was first introduced in ''SamuraiWarriors 2'' by KOEI, as a fairly serious figure and judging by how they like portraying the Tokugawa as the eventual villain, they team Kanetsugu up with Yukimura and Mitsunari, and they form the main PowerTrio, which thanks to Yukimura being the poster boy, get to be the heroes.

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* March 21st, 2007: Koei released ''[[WarriorsOrochi ''[[VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi Musou Orochi]]''

Now, if we look at the timeline, Naoe Kanetsugu was first introduced in ''SamuraiWarriors ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors 2'' by KOEI, as a fairly serious figure and judging by how they like portraying the Tokugawa as the eventual villain, they team Kanetsugu up with Yukimura and Mitsunari, and they form the main PowerTrio, which thanks to Yukimura being the poster boy, get to be the heroes.



So, come ''WarriorsOrochi'', Koei decidedly picked two of ''Basara'''s PowerTrio of poster boys, Masamune and Keiji, and turn them into Orochi's underlings. They obviously can't do it with Yukimura since Yukimura is also their poster boy. This status quo continues to ''WarriorsOrochi 2''.

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So, come ''WarriorsOrochi'', ''VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi'', Koei decidedly picked two of ''Basara'''s PowerTrio of poster boys, Masamune and Keiji, and turn them into Orochi's underlings. They obviously can't do it with Yukimura since Yukimura is also their poster boy. This status quo continues to ''WarriorsOrochi ''Warriors Orochi 2''.



** Never mind that Capcom Mitsunari is more capable in battle and KOEI Mitsunari was never a poster boy. The one who got it hard is Kanbe: Briliant strategist in ''Warriors'' and complete idiot in ''Basara''.

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** Never mind that Capcom Mitsunari is more capable in battle and KOEI Mitsunari was never a poster boy. The one who got it hard is Kanbe: Briliant Brilliant strategist in ''Warriors'' and complete idiot in ''Basara''.



* This one looks like InsultBackfire: Utsunomiya Hirotsuna wants to be a [[SamuraiWarriors Samurai Warrior]]. Too bad, KOEI doesn't make nobodies of whom even OtherWiki has zero entry into their games cast.

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* This one looks like InsultBackfire: Utsunomiya Hirotsuna wants to be a [[SamuraiWarriors [[VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors Samurai Warrior]]. Too bad, KOEI doesn't make nobodies of whom even OtherWiki has zero entry into their games cast.



''SamuraiShodown'' and ''RurouniKenshin'' have both portrayed this guy for a villain. And the Shimabara uprising happened during the Tokugawa era. Think about it.

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''SamuraiShodown'' ''VideoGame/SamuraiShodown'' and ''RurouniKenshin'' ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'' have both portrayed this guy for a villain. And the Shimabara uprising happened during the Tokugawa era. Think about it.



[[WMG: Nobunaga have access to some kind of world/dimention-jumping power.]]

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[[WMG: Nobunaga have access to some kind of world/dimention-jumping world/dimension-jumping power.]]


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15th Mar '14 5:45:10 PM LastPanzer
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VERY possible. In Nobunaga's Drama Route in "4", he [[spoiler: personally challenges Yoshiteru, who asked him something like “Are you perhaps interested, shall we say, you yourself from ANOTHER world?” — Cue Nobunaga appearing in Honno'ji (yup, the same spot where he supposedly met his doom in "1" and "2" at Mitsuhide's hands, and mad his hellish [[BackFromTheDead return]] in "3"), massacring everyone–including Mitsuhide and (gasp!) HIMSELF, before the whole world distorts and twists amidst his maniacal [[EvilLaugh guffaw]].]] The catch?—Remember how returning characters retained their movesets in "3" and "Utage"? in the [[spoilers: supposed AlternateUniverse]] that is "4", and Nobunaga STILL has access to that [[OneWingedAngel demonic silhouette]] that assists him in battle? It all makes sense now: [[spoilers: the other Nobunaga and Mitsuhide killed by world-jumping Nobunaga in "4" are the ones from the stories of "1" and "2"; and that BadassOutOfHell from "3" is not The Demon King revived, but the more badass one from "4" who jumped to the world of "3", which is a continuation of "1" and "2". ]]

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VERY possible. In Nobunaga's Drama Route in "4", he [[spoiler: personally challenges Yoshiteru, who asked him something like “Are you perhaps interested, shall we say, you yourself from ANOTHER world?” — Cue Nobunaga appearing in Honno'ji (yup, the same spot where he supposedly met his doom in "1" and "2" at Mitsuhide's hands, and mad his hellish [[BackFromTheDead return]] in "3"), massacring everyone–including Mitsuhide and (gasp!) HIMSELF, before the whole world distorts and twists amidst his maniacal [[EvilLaugh guffaw]].]] The catch?—Remember how returning characters retained their movesets in "3" and "Utage"? in the [[spoilers: [[spoiler: supposed AlternateUniverse]] that is "4", and Nobunaga STILL has access to that [[OneWingedAngel demonic silhouette]] that assists him in battle? It all makes sense now: [[spoilers: [[spoiler: the other Nobunaga and Mitsuhide killed by world-jumping Nobunaga in from "4" are the ones from the stories of "1" and "2"; and that BadassOutOfHell badass from "3" is not The Demon King revived, but the more badass one from "4" who jumped to the world of "3", which story is a continuation of those of "1" and "2". ]]
15th Mar '14 5:39:39 PM LastPanzer
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[[WMG: Nobunaga have access to some kind of world/dimention-jumping power.]]
VERY possible. In Nobunaga's Drama Route in "4", he [[spoiler: personally challenges Yoshiteru, who asked him something like “Are you perhaps interested, shall we say, you yourself from ANOTHER world?” — Cue Nobunaga appearing in Honno'ji (yup, the same spot where he supposedly met his doom in "1" and "2" at Mitsuhide's hands, and mad his hellish [[BackFromTheDead return]] in "3"), massacring everyone–including Mitsuhide and (gasp!) HIMSELF, before the whole world distorts and twists amidst his maniacal [[EvilLaugh guffaw]].]] The catch?—Remember how returning characters retained their movesets in "3" and "Utage"? in the [[spoilers: supposed AlternateUniverse]] that is "4", and Nobunaga STILL has access to that [[OneWingedAngel demonic silhouette]] that assists him in battle? It all makes sense now: [[spoilers: the other Nobunaga and Mitsuhide killed by world-jumping Nobunaga in "4" are the ones from the stories of "1" and "2"; and that BadassOutOfHell from "3" is not The Demon King revived, but the more badass one from "4" who jumped to the world of "3", which is a continuation of "1" and "2". ]]
8th Jan '14 12:35:44 PM Taxima
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Ieyasu is serving as a sixth ranger TokenGoodTeammate, seeing that the game feels like a prequal.


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\nIeyasu is serving as a sixth ranger TokenGoodTeammate, seeing that the game feels like a prequal.\n\n* TheSixthRanger / TokenGoodTeammate: Tokugawa Ieyasu

2nd Dec '13 9:29:38 AM manusiabumi
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Just look at her: Red hair, Caucasian face and skin tone.. She was probably a European orphan brought by the traders, then the Magoichi at that time adopted her and name her Sayaka.

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Just look at her: Red hair, Caucasian face and skin tone.. She was probably a European orphan brought by the traders, traders (for whatever reason), then the Magoichi at that time adopted her and name her Sayaka.
2nd Dec '13 9:28:42 AM manusiabumi
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[[WMG:Magoichi is not a native Japanese (probably European)]]
Just look at her: Red hair, Caucasian face and skin tone.. She was probably a European orphan brought by the traders, then the Magoichi at that time adopted her and name her Sayaka.
19th Oct '13 3:40:09 AM Litzfed81
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[[WMG: There will be a AU spin off game called Imjin Basara

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[[WMG: There will be a AU spin off game called Imjin BasaraBasara]]
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