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1	[[WMG: Owlman didn't turn off the bomb because, in another universe, he chose to turn it off.]]
2	It's the TheMultiverse rule.
3	* Either way, "it doesn't matter."
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5	[[WMG: The Anti-Monitor caused the reversal of roles in this new universe.]]
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7	[[WMG: Owlman was wrong about his theory of the multiverse.]]
8	Otherwise, there would have been an infinite number of universes in which he succeeded in destroying the multiverse, which is impossible because there are not an infinite number of multiverses.
9	* Unless there are.
10	* If he failed in even one universe there would still be an Earth Prime, and he did so there is. And as Word of God states, even if he had succeeded there would still be another Earth Prime where he failed. The Multiverse would be pretty brittle otherwise.
11	** Which is why he should've sent just the bomb to Earth Prime. No sentient life, no free will, no divergence as to whether or not the bomb could be shut off.
12	* Owlman failed big time. First: Multiverse was destroyed several times before, and he was too preoccupied to notice. In our universe (which is not part of their universe) it's called - RetCon was it?
13	* No his entire point was how the only choice one could make would be to destroy Earth Prime, because it would be the only action that would not spawn a mirror unniverse
14	** You'd also have to consider that even though this Earth Prime is an alternate Earth Prime, it may have still been connected to our Earths. Destroying it wouldn't have destroyed the multiverse, but it'd have destroyed all multiple universes connected to this Earth Prime.
15	Second: He wasn't the only Villian to attempt this destruction. In Turtles Forever Shredder came up with same idea, and since Batman And Turtles met before... So there.
16	Third: By not shutting bomb off he remained within boundaries of Multiverse. If he would've stopped the bomb, and picked up the remote, he would've succeded. But he didn't and thus made a choice that sprang another world where he died of hypotermia. But yeah... It doesn't matter.
17	* No see, it all goes back to word of god. The multiverse is determined by events not decisions. For every instance where Owlman even arrived at Earth Prime there is an automatic split where there is an Earth Prime no one has visited. His plan was doomed to fail from the start.
18	** If it's event-driven, Owlman's plan was an even more spectacular failure than that. The bomb's arrival would've been a universe-seperating event, meaning the bomb would only destroy a world in which it existed to begin with. None of the earths concerned in this story match that description, so even if Owlman had succeeded, he'd only have blown up himself and an earth that only existed because the bomb did. In short, he would've been ''less'' destructive than Ultraman would have, even offing himself in the process.
19	* An alternate view: his plan would have failed because the logic behind it was bad: destroying the one true Earth Prime would result in the destruction of... Earth Prime. And nothing else, because the alternate Earths that diverged from the Prime do not experience NoOntologicalInertia. Owlman was just wrong.
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21	* "It doesn't matter."
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23	[[WMG: There are multiple multiverses in the Omniverse, including one where Owlman managed to destroy his respective multiverse]]
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25	[[WMG: The QED was an [[BatmanGambit Owlman Gambit]] that failed.]]
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27	He's the equivalent of Batman, and so must have the equivalent of {{Batman Gambit}}s. And why would he want to wipe everyone out?
28	* And accomplish what exactly? He made no demands and he knew this move would alienate him from the Syndicate. If he simply wanted to take over a new world, he would have gone to one with something worth conquering. If there was some other motive we would have at least gotten a hint. He really did want to destroy everything and his motivation for doing so was sufficient (assuming he believed his theory, which it seemed like he did, after all he didn't even try to stop the detonation after his bomb was moved to the wrong world.)
29	** Thinking about it, the only thing he could hope to accomplish with this move would be to maintain the balance between the Syndicate and the world's governments by detonating the QED harmlessly off world. But again we get nothing to indicate that this is his plan.
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31	[[WMG: Earth Prime really is [[Franchise/TheDCU Earth Prime]].]]
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33	Superboy-Prime lives there, after all, and we all know how irritable he can be. Taking into account [[HopeSpot his most recent]] [[ComicBook/BlackestNight misadventure]], it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to guess what happened. Nekron was defeated and BL-Laurie was destroyed before she could kill him. In a rage, he laid waste to the Earth and set out to do the same to a defenseless universe.
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35	[[WMG: Rose Wilson's mother was anti-Syndicate.]]
36	The real reason why she was assassinated. All the more reason why Rose decided its time to stand up against them. The reason why Slade tries to talk her out of it because she doesn't want her to end up dead like her mother. Rose blames her father for her death, in a way, because he had the power to stop them but chose to bow down to their demands.
37	* How is this a ''wild'' guess? I thought it was pretty clear within the movie itself that Slade's wife was killed by Ultraman because she 'had a mouth on her'.
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39	[[WMG:Johnny Quick's other "counterpart" is Owen Mercer]]
40	In comics canon, Owen is the long-lost son of the [[CaptainEthnic blindingly Australian]] George Harkness/Captain Boomerang, and apparently inherited superspeed from his mother's side of the family. Superficially, he's a redhead like Johnny (and Wally). Maybe on this Earth, instead of being adopted by the American Mercers, Owen was raised by his father's family in Australia. Instead of ending his life [[spoiler:[[ComicBook/BlackestNight feeding children to zombies]]]], he helps save the multiverse through RedemptionEqualsDeath.
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42	This might mean his legal name is [[IncrediblyLamePun John]] [[Series/DoctorWho Harkness]].
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44	* Nice try, but his name is ''Jack,'' not John.
45	** True, but "Jack" is a nickname for John, as is "Johnny".
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47	[[WMG:On one of the other Earths, Owlman is [[{{ComicBook/Watchmen}} Adrian Veidt]]]]
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49	[[WMG:Had the film still been "officially" part of DCAU by the time it was completed, a Justice Lords reference would've been inevitable.]]
50	Basically a "we've encountered alternate versions of ourselves before, but they weren't exactly evil but rather [[WellIntentionedExtremist too extreme]]" line somewhere in there.
51	* John Stewart would have said then. Also, he may have already started growing a beard at that point. And he decides on shaving his head. And an extra scene where John gives J'onn some advice on his budding romance, due to his failed relationship with Hawkgirl.
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53	* Additionally, perhaps a different superhero (instead of Black Lightning[[note]]due to not being allowed to use without paying royalty to Tony Isabella.[[/note]]) would have joined the new expanded Justice League.
54	** Though, as later learned, no such deal actually existed, hence the use of the character since ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold''.
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56	[[WMG: There is Star Trek in this universe but it all takes place in the MirrorUniverse seen in Mirror Mirror]]
57	* Good Lex seems to recognize Flash's reference to Star Trek suggesting that the series exists here. Given that its the Mirror Universe, it could be that the Star Trek series here is also about the Mirror Universe we see in the episode Mirror Mirror. Rather than an optimistic tale of the future, Gene Roddenberry decides to explore mankinds dark side. Or its possible that he was influenced by the Syndicate to create a series to show that mankind is no better than the evil supers that rule the world.
58	** That would be [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments hilarious!]]
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60	[[WMG: President Slade Wilson was a member of Parallel!Luthor's Justice League]]
61	He was the heroic version of {{Comicbook/Deathstroke}}, but he had a SecretIdentity, of coarse. Lex did seem to speak to the President like he was an old friend. He left and hung up the costume because of some [[HandicappedBadass injury that prevented him from continuing]], which is why he didn't use that identity during the film. He ran for president so he could help out from the sidelines, but when the Crime Syndicate started killing heroes and threatening innocents, he decided he needed to obey to spare as many lives as he could.
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63	[[WMG: This movie is in the same continuity as ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'']]
64	Both films have a slightly older-sounding Batman than normal.
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66	[[WMG: The parallel Earth in this film is the only one in the multiverse where the Crime Syndicate lasted long enough for outside intervention to be necessary to defeat them.]]
67	I know this doesn't quite match how Owlman says the multiverse works, but it would definitely explain why we don't see dozens of Batmen and Owlmen on Earth Prime. Plus, it would (ironically) add extra meaning to the way the movie ends.
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69	[[WMG: This is set in the DCAU.]]
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71	The differences in appearance are generally negligible, with the exception of the Martian Manhunter (who's a shapeshifter anyways). The biggest inconsistency is Hal Jordan as Green Lantern instead of John Stewart, but even that can be fixed. Clearly, John Stewart, who was severely injured and whose ring was destroyed, is still recovering and has yet to get a new ring. Hal Jordan is his temporary replacement while Kyle Rayner is busy with the Corps.
72	* Hal was recently confirmed to have joined the Justice League at some point in time in WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueVsTheFatalFive, so this can still be possible.
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74	[[WMG: Johnny Quick knew he was being set up somehow.]]
75	Batman claims the Flash isn't fast enough and Johnny steps up saying he is. However when Flash put the fragments of a device that Johnny was throwing at him back together earlier in the movie, Johnny was shocked and and seemed to have accepted that he was beaten which could indicate that Flash was faster than him and Johnny knew that.
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77	[[WMG: Jester is, somehow, still alive.]]
78	For the sole reason that he’s an alternative version of [[ComicBook/TheJoker The Joker]], who has a nasty tendency to [[JokerImmunity keep surviving]].
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80	[[WMG: The Earths in the multiverse this movie sets up:]]
81	Since DC has put all their live-action properties in the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'s multiverse, why not one for the animated properties?
82	* The main Earth of this movie: Earth-1, since it seems to be an average DC universe and because it's simpler.
83	* The Justice Society's AlternateHistory in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeSocietyWorldWarII'': Earth-2, since the setting [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin uses the Justice Society during WWII]], famously an Earth-2 concept.
84	* The MirrorUniverse of this movie: Earth-3, for obvious reasons.
85	* ''WesternAnimation/TheBatman'': Earth-4, after its premiere year 2004.
86	* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'': Earth-8, after its premiere year 2008.
87	* ''WesternAnimation/SupermanBatmanPublicEnemies'': Earth-9, after its release year 2009.
88	* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'': Earth-10, after its release year 2010. It has branched out into its own mini-Multiverse as seen in ''WesternAnimation/DCShowcaseBatmanDeathInTheFamily''.
89	* ''WesternAnimation/GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'': Earth-11, since it premiered on November 11, 2011, or 11/11/11.
90	* ''Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse'': Okay, this is a bit complicated. The DCAU is canonically designated Earth-12 in the comics' multiverse, but it's subject to SchrodingersCanon there, so let's just put it on this animated multiverse's Earth-12.
91	* ''WesternAnimation/DCAnimatedMovieUniverse'': Earth-13, after its first appearance in 2013.
92	* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueGodsAndMonsters'': Earth-15, after its release year 2015.
93	* ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010'': Like the DCAU, ''Young Justice'' is supposedly part of the 52 multiverse, but that was only before Flashpoint, and since the revival adapted post-Flashpoint elements, let's just put it on this multiverse's Earth-16.
94	* ''Anime/BatmanNinja'': Earth-18, after its release year 2018.
95	* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanGothamByGaslight'': Earth-19, as it's an adaptation of a [[ComicBook/GothamByGaslight comic]] set there.
96	* ''WesternAnimation/{{Tomorrowverse}}'': Earth-20, after its first appearance in 2020.
97	* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueTheNewFrontier'': Earth-21, as it's an adaptation of [[ComicBook/DCTheNewFrontier a comic]] set there.
98	* ''WesternAnimation/DCLeagueOfSuperPets'': Earth-22, after its release year of 2022.
99	* ''WesternAnimation/SupermanRedSon'': Earth-30, as it's an adaptation of [[ComicBook/SupermanRedSon a comic]] set there.
100	* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'': Earth-31, as it's an adaptation of [[ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns a comic]] set there.
101	* ''WesternAnimation/AllStarSuperman'': Earth-38, after Superman's debut in 1938.
102	* The Justice Lords' Earth from ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'': Earth-50, as, like the DCAU it's a MirrorUniverse to, it's supposedly set in the main comics multiverse but is subject to SchrodingersCanon there.
103	* ''WesternAnimation/{{Superfriends}}'': Earth-73, after its premiere year of 1973.
104	* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheKillingJoke'': Earth-88, after [[ComicBook/TheKillingJoke the original]]'s release date of 1988.
105	* ''WesternAnimation/DCShowcaseDeath'': Earth-89, after ''ComicBook/{{The Sandman\|1989}}'''s release year 1989.
106	* ''WesternAnimation/HarleyQuinn2019'': Earth-92, after Harley's first appearance in 1992.
107	* ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003'': Earth-203, after its premiere year 2003.
108	* ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'': Earth-213, after its premiere year 2013.
109	* ''WebAnimation/DCSuperHeroGirls'': Earth-215, after its premiere year 2015.
110	* ''WesternAnimation/DCSuperHeroGirls2019'': Earth-219, after its premiere year 2019.
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