Line #90 WMG/MarvelsAvengers


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10
11	[[WMG: Heroes to be included in the base game or as DLC]]
12	* ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}}
13	** Confirmed
14	* ComicBook/SpiderMan
15	** Confirmed as a Sony exclusive
16	* Spider-Man (ComicBook/MilesMorales)
17	* ComicBook/TheWasp
18	** Confirmed via datamining.
19	* ComicBook/DoctorStrange
20	** Confirmed via datamining.
21	* ComicBook/CaptainMarvel
22	** Confirmed via datamining, for both [[ComicBook/CarolDanvers Carol]] and [[ComicBook/{{Captain Marvel\|MarvelComics}} Mar-Vell]].
23	* ComicBook/BlackPanther
24	** Confirmed via datamining.
25	* ComicBook/ScarletWitch
26	** Confirmed via datamining.
27	* ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}}
28	* ComicBook/TheVision
29	** Confirmed via datamining.
30	* ComicBook/WarMachine
31	** Confirmed via datamining.
32	* ComicBook/TheFalcon
33	** Confirmed via datamining.
34	* [[ComicBook/MsMarvel2014 Ms. Marvel]]
35	** Confirmed at New York Comic-Con.
36	* ComicBook/SheHulk
37	** Confirmed via datamining.
38	* [[ComicBook/BuckyBarnes Winter Soldier]]
39	** Confirmed via datamining.
40	* ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}
41	* Any of the other ComicBook/XMen, in particular ones with history of being Avengers like:
42	** ComicBook/{{Beast\|MarvelComics}}
43	** [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]]
44	** [[ComicBook/NewWarriors Firestar]]
45	** ComicBook/{{Storm\|MarvelComics}}
46	** [[ComicBook/NewMutants Cannonball]]
47	** [[ComicBook/NewMutants Sunspot]]
48	** ComicBook/{{Rogue}}
49	** [[Characters/XMen60sMembers Havok]]
50	** ComicBook/{{Cyclops\|MarvelComics}}
51	** ComicBook/JeanGrey
52	** ComicBook/{{Colossus}}
53	** ComicBook/{{Nightcrawler}}
54	** ComicBook/{{Psylocke}}
55	** ComicBook/{{Cable}}
56	** ComicBook/{{Gambit\|MarvelComics}}
57	** ComicBook/{{Iceman\|MarvelComics}}
58	** ComicBook/{{Jubilee\|MarvelComics}}
59	** [[ComicBook/WarrenWorthingtonIII Angel/Archangel]]
60	** ComicBook/{{X 23}}
61	* Any of the ComicBook/FantasticFour:
62	** ComicBook/MisterFantastic
63	** ComicBook/InvisibleWoman
64	** ComicBook/HumanTorch
65	** ComicBook/TheThing
66	* ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}
67	* ComicBook/GhostRider
68	* ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}
69	* [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]]
70	* ComicBook/TheSentry
71	* ComicBook/{{Black Knight\|MarvelComics}}
72	* ComicBook/{{Ares\|Marvel}}
73	* ComicBook/{{Tigra}}
74	* [[ComicBook/MonicaRambeau Photon]]
75	* ComicBook/{{Mockingbird}}
76	** Confirmed via datamining.
77	* ComicBook/CaptainBritain
78	* ComicBook/MoonKnight
79	* ComicBook/ShangChi
80	* [[ComicBook/TheInhumans Crystal]]
81	* [[Characters/SpiderManRoguesGalleryIToZ Sandman]]
82	* ComicBook/AntMan (Scott Lang)
83	** ''An'' Ant-Man was found in the beta's code, but it's unclear whether it's Hank or Scott.
84	*** They could use both; Hank's super move could be a swarm of ants while Scott gets Giant-Man
85	*** Or the other way around, considering Scott isn't usually Giant-Man whenever Hank uses the name. But it is likely, considering we already know that Hank is in the game.
86	*** It's mentioned in game that AIM 'experimented' on hank to prevent him ever using his powers again, if Ant Man is playable later it'll be Scott
87	* ComicBook/IronFist
88	* ComicBook/LukeCage
89	* ComicBook/{{Darkhawk}}
90	* [[Characters/TheAvengers Jocasta]]
91	* [[ComicBook/{{Runaways}} Victor Mancha]]
92	* [[ComicBook/{{Runaways}} Nico Minoru]]
93	* [[ComicBook/YoungAvengers Wiccan]]
94	* [[ComicBook/YoungAvengers Hulkling]]
95	* [[Characters/MarvelComicsKateBishop Kate Bishop]]
96	** Confirmed during one of the developer's War Tables.
97	* [[Characters/{{Thunderbolts}} Songbird]]
98	* [[ComicBook/DaisyJohnson Quake]]
99	** Confirmed via datamining.
100	* [[Characters/MarvelComicsFlashThompson Agent Venom]]
101	* ComicBook/{{Venom}} (Eddie Brock)
102	* ComicBook/SpiderWoman (Jessica Drew)
103	* [[ComicBook/SpiderGwen Spider-Woman (Gwen Stacy)]]
104	* ComicBook/ThePunisher
105	* ComicBook/{{Nova}}
106	* The ComicBook/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy:
107	** ComicBook/StarLord
108	** ComicBook/{{Gamora}}
109	** ComicBook/DraxTheDestroyer
110	** ComicBook/RocketRaccoon
111	** ComicBook/{{Groot}}
112	** [[Characters/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyModern Mantis]]
113	** [[Characters/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyModern Nebula]]
114	** [[Characters/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyOriginal Yondu]]
115	** [[ComicBook/Warlock1967 Adam Warlock]]
116	** ComicBook/{{Quasar}}
117	** [[Characters/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyModern Moondragon]]
118	* ComicBook/{{Blade}}
119	* [[Characters/AntMan Goliath (Bill Foster)]]
120	* ComicBook/WonderMan
121	* ComicBook/SilverSurfer
122	* [[ComicBook/{{Bloodstone}} Elsa Bloodstone]]
123	* ComicBook/CloakAndDagger
124	* [[ComicBook/TheUnbelievableGwenpool Gwenpool]]
125	* ComicBook/MoonGirlAndDevilDinosaur
126	* [[ComicBook/ValkyrieMarvelComics Valkyrie]]
127	* [[ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} Phil Coulson]]
128	* ComicBook/BlackCat
129	* ComicBook/HowardTheDuck
130	* A Creator/SquareEnix character as a GuestFighter:
131	** [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud Strife]]
132	** [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV The Warrior of Light]]
133	** [[Franchise/TombRaider Lara Croft]]
134	** [[VideoGame/NierAutomata 2B]]
135	** [[VideoGame/DeusEx Adam Jensen]]
136
137	[[WMG: Guesses for the game's BigBad]]
138	* [[Characters/CaptainAmericaCentralRoguesGallery Baron Zemo]]
139	* ComicBook/{{Loki}}
140	* [[Characters/MarvelComicsHydra Hydra]]
141	* ComicBook/{{MODOK}}
142	** [[spoiler:Confirmed]]
143	* ComicBook/{{Thanos}}
144	* ComicBook/{{Ultron}}
145	* ComicBook/DoctorDoom
146	* ComicBook/{{Magneto}}
147	** Basically to take the extreme route in trying to make the public accept superpowers.
148	* [[Characters/TheInhumans Medusa]]
149	** See ComicBook/{{Magneto}}
150	* [[Characters/TheInhumans Maximus the Mad]]
151	* ComicBook/{{Galactus}}
152	** Highly unlikely. Maybe a reference, teaser?
153	* Skrulls
154	* ComicBook/RedSkull
155	* ComicBook/KangTheConqueror
156	* [[Characters/TheMightyThorEnemies Malekith the Accursed]]
157	* [[Characters/TheMightyThorEnemies Surtur]]
158	* ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}
159
160	[[WMG: At least ''one'' of the heroes will be FormerlyFit in the five year Timeskip like Thor in ''Endgame''.]]
161	The trailer shows Tony Stark with a BeardOfSorrow after the cataclysm. Perhaps the other heroes will have altered appearances in those 5 years.
162	* Fully jossed. They're all still in great shape even after being out of the hero business. Bruce and Tony do sport [[BeardOfSorrow Beards of Sorrow]] though Tony shaves his down to his usual goatee as he's back on the team and Bruce trims it down once Natasha's back on.
163
164	[[WMG: The reason the Avengers disbanded is because they accidentally unleashed Inhumans upon the world.]]
165	Towards the end of the E3 Showcase, Bruce says that the disaster on A-Day was caused by a "Terrigen Reactor". In the comics, the Terrigen Mist is a mutagenic vapor that awakens the latent abilities of Inhumans and Inhuman hybrids via "Terrigenesis", and led to the origins of heroes such as Kamala Kahn[=/=]Miss Marvel and Daisy Johnson[=/=]Quake. The failure of the reactor may have caused an outpouring of the mists, and while none of the Avengers are Inhuman, the same probably can't be said for the population of San Francisco.
166
167	[[WMG: The Inhumans and the Mutants will be retconned to basically be one and the same]]
168	To add to the above theory. Since the teaser trailer in 2017 had the whole "If you have powers you’re dangerous" theme, which is similar to the entire X-Men plot. To save for time the Terrigen mist will give birth to both iconic inhumans and iconic mutants from the comic books.
169
170	[[WMG: The game's story will take elements of ''ComicBook/TheAvengersJonathanHickman'']]
171	Considered one of, if not the, best Avengers runs in history. The idea is that if the Avengers reform, they need to do so with larger membership, those who can tackle any challenge known to man from Earth and beyond, and as such the roster will dramatically increase. This will be used as the reason why more heroes join the fray. It could also lead to the game's version of ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015''.
172
173	[[WMG: Cap isn't dead.]]
174	[[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt I mean really, that's not something you give away in a trailer of all things.]] Plus the way it plays out makes it seem they NeverFoundTheBody either...
175	* Yeah, I'd prefer it that were a hidden thing like [[spoiler:Doc Ock]] in ''Spider-Man ([=PS4=])'', since you already know what's going to happen with that. No use spoiling it in promotions.
176
177	[[WMG: The narrator is [[VideoGame/SpiderManPS4 Mary Jane Watson]]]]
178	The game might share a setting with VideoGame/SpiderManPS4. Mary Jane is reporting on the events of A-Day, catching the audience up on events.
179	* Jossed: It's Kamahla Kahn
180
181	[[WMG: That giant monster teased at the end of the A-Day trailer is a Sentinel]]
182	It was a bit blue/purplish. And since the game is taking the whole "Anti-super powers" route they'd be perfect for hunting Inhumans and (Possibly) Mutants
183	[[WMG: One of the {{Big Bad}}s will be the one taking extremes to chance the public's opinion on superpowers]]
184	Similarly to Magneto who went out of his way trying to prove mutants are superior to humans, and either humans die or mutants can live alone. Maybe an Inhuman will fill that role instead.
185
186	[[WMG: Other teams that could show up]]
187	* ComicBook/FantasticFour
188	* ComicBook/XMen
189	* ComicBook/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy
190	* ComicBook/{{Excalibur}}
191	* ComicBook/TheDefenders
192	* ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}
193	* ComicBook/YoungAvengers
194	* ComicBook/Champions2016
195	* ComicBook/HeroesforHire
196
197	[[WMG: New heroes have risen since the fall of the Avengers]]
198	It's been five years since the disbandment, and the Avengers are still stated to aspire many even in their downfall. It's likely that in the mean time, new heroes have tried to fill the void since A-Day, the first one coming to mind is Kamala Khan.
199
200	[[WMG: Hawkeye will be an antagonist]]
201	Hawkeye was once an Iron Man villain (Back in the 60s possibly). He could be some sort of PunchClockVillain or Mercenary trying to hunt Inhumans or the Avengers. Possibly he switches sides in a HeelFaceTurn
202
203	[[WMG: The game is set some time during or even before Peter's 8 year career as Spider Man]]
204	If ''VideoGame/SpiderManPS4'' is in the same continuity of this game then it makes logical sense that it happened while Peter was Younger. It's clear that the Avengers are not outlaws during the former game, as Peter makes reference to them operating on the west coast, not being outlawed. If this happened after the game then it would either force the inevitable ''Spider Man'' sequel to have a 5 year time skip, robbing us of a proper Miles and Peter mentorship, or have the consequences of the prologue taint it's plot with severe anti-super hero sentiment (presumably it'd spread from the Avengers and). Additional proof is Taskmaster, his ''Avengers'' [[https://preview.redd.it/xnnxmnf34n331.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a280353ec52818cdccf9b12c1f0b7dafda69663b Appearance]] is clearly more practical, similar to Steve's whereas in ''Spider Man'' [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/spidermanps4/images/9/99/Taskmaster_from_MSM.png/revision/latest?cb=20180913235247 he wears a more custom looking comic book style costume]] and the design progression works more logically as ''Avengers'' to ''Spider Man'' not the other way around.
205	** Additionally if Peter is indeed in the game then he would more likely be in the more universally approved classic suit than in the more divisive Advanced suit.
206	*** Unlikely to be during, given the time skip's clear FantasticRacism against all superpowers it seems unlikely that AIM would allow Peter to be thwiping around during this time. In addition, given that Kamala is, in comic canon a Teen Hero and contempory of Miles, so I doubt they'd have her debut in canon before Peter... while I could be wrong I think we can just consider the whole shared continuity theory wrong at this point.
207	*** This Kamala is a teen hero as well in this continuity and it could be that AIM doesn’t want to draw attention to themselves going after a public figure who has gathered his own fans despite anti-super powered sentiment outside New York. Plus AIM in the Spidey game are candidates for whoever hired Taskmaster as they were a funding source for [[spoiler:Doc Ock]] so it’s safe to assume they would have their eye on him.
208
209	[[WMG: Steve will have a more comic accurate costume later into the game.]]
210	If we assume he survives the prologue, and in relation to the above Taskmaster comment, it is possible that when Steve returns he's swapped his costume, derived from more realistic body armour, for a more custom modified suit more in line with his film and comic counterparts.
211
212	[[WMG: The Skrulls will be involved]]
213	* Jossed.
214
215	[[WMG: Klaw will be involved somehow]]
216	That sonic disruptor bomb had to come from ''somewhere'', right?
217
218	[[WMG:You get to create a single character - who becomes one of the villains you have to fight]]
219	It would be a funny way to subvert the 'insert your own fanfic superhero into the game' trope. Near the beginning of the game, the Avengers find a cryo-pod or something, and as they analyze it you pick the traits and powers the person inside has. Then they wake up and immediately begin rampaging against the Avengers because they're working for the bad guys and they were in that pod to enhance their powers or some other motive, which has just been ruined. And over the course of the game they'll return as a nemesis - the nemesis you created.
220
221	[[WMG: Monica Rappaccini will be a high ranking member of AIM]]
222	The prequel comic reveals that Bruce Banner is dating Monica Rappaccini, whom he has history with in the main comics universe. She's also one of the Scientist Supreme of AIM in the regular comics.
223	* Confirmed. She’s TheManInFrontOfTheMan for much of the main game and by the end becomes this verse's version of Scientist Supreme.
224
225	[[WMG:Captain Marvel will appear, but only in a cameo]]
226	Captain Marvel and her StoryBreakerPower will not be playable, but being this superhero's biggest fan is a recognized part of Kamala's character. So, either in the main game or DLC, Captain Marvel's involvement will be limited to Kamala getting to meet her idol, and possibly gaining inspiration for her hero name during it.
227
228	[[WMG: Steve will return in a BigDamnHeroes moment.]]
229	Possibly a scene in which the player at the time is in trouble, perhaps cornered by AIM and then suddenly the shield flies into shot and then Steve himself appears and possibly control is switched to Steve and then he explains where he's been, how he survived and what he's been up to in the 5 years he's been gone after the mission. This Troper simply feels that it'd be more appropriate for the character than for the Avengers to have to save him from some AIM lab.
230	* Jossed. [[spoiler: Iron Man finds him in an AIM lab where he was harvetsed to create Monica's regeneration serum.]]
231
232	[[WMG: M.O.D.O.K.'s design will play up the UncannyValley aspect of his condition]]
233	It would be pretty hard to make a man with a gigantic head ''not'' look creepy, so instead they will embrace it.
234
235	[[WMG: Alisande Morales will be RelatedInTheAdaptation to a certain Brooklyn-born web-slinger]]
236	Probably won't happen, but you never know.
237
238	[[WMG: Possible villains involved in the game's plot or DLC]]
239	So far, we know about MODOK, AIM, Taskmaster, and Abomination.
240	* ComicBook/{{Ultron}}
241	* ComicBook/RedSkull
242	* [[Characters/IronManCentralRoguesGallery The Mandarin]]
243	* ComicBook/{{Loki}}
244	* [[Characters/CaptainAmericaCentralRoguesGallery Baron Zemo]]
245	* ComicBook/KangTheConqueror
246	* ComicBook/{{Magneto}}
247	* ComicBook/{{Thanos}}
248	* [[Characters/IncredibleHulkCentralRoguesGallery The Leader]]
249	* ComicBook/DoctorOctopus
250	* [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Green Goblin]]
251	* ComicBook/DoctorDoom
252	* ComicBook/TheEnchantress
253	* ComicBook/{{Dracula\|MarvelComics}}
254	* [[Characters/BlackPantherEnemies Klaw]]
255	* [[Characters/AvengersEnemies Count Nefaria]]
256	* [[Characters/AvengersEnemies Grim Reaper]]
257	* [[Characters/{{Thunderbolts}} Moonstone]]
258	* ComicBook/TheKingpin
259	* [[Characters/IronManCentralRoguesGallery Crimson Dynamo]]
260	* [[Characters/IronManCentralRoguesGallery The Living Laser]]
261	* [[Characters/TheMightyThorEnemies The Wrecking Crew]]
262	* [[Characters/TheMightyThorEnemies Absorbing Man]]
263	* [[Characters/TheMightyThorEnemies Malekith the Accursed]]
264	* ComicBook/{{Hela}}
265	* [[ComicBook/SquadronSupreme The Squadron Supreme]]
266	* [[Characters/MarvelComicsHYDRA Madame Hydra]]
267	* ComicBook/{{Bullseye\|MarvelComics}}
268	* [[ComicBook/JuggernautMarvelComics The Juggernaut]]
269	* ComicBook/{{Mystique}}
270	* [[Characters/SpiderManRoguesGalleryAToH Electro]]
271	* [[Characters/SpiderManRoguesGalleryIToZ Sandman]]
272	* [[Characters/SpiderManRoguesGalleryIToZ The Rhino]]
273	* ComicBook/{{Mysterio}}
274	* [[Characters/SpiderManRoguesGalleryIToZ Kraven the Hunter]]
275	* ComicBook/{{Scorpion}}
276	* [[Characters/BlackPantherEnemies Killmonger]]
277	* [[Characters/CaptainAmericaCentralRoguesGallery Crossbones]]
278	* [[Characters/MarvelComicsSkrulls Super-Skrull]]
279	* [[Characters/FantasticFourCentralRoguesGallery Annihilus]]
280	* ComicBook/{{Carnage}}
281	* ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}}
282	* ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}
283	* [[Characters/XMenSentinels Sentinels]]
284	* [[Characters/MarvelComicsHydra Baron von Strucker]]
285	* [[Characters/IncredibleHulkCentralRoguesGallery Zzaxx]]
286	* [[Characters/DoctorStrangeEnemies Dormammu]]
287	* [[Characters/MarvelComicsKree The Kree Supreme Intelligence]]
288	* [[Characters/MarvelComicsKree Ronan the Accuser]]
289	* ComicBook/{{Mephisto}}
290	* [[Characters/XMenMarauders Mister Sinister]]
291	* [[Characters/FantasticFourCentralRoguesGallery Molecule Man]]
292	* [[Characters/MarvelComicsCosmicEntities The Beyonder]]
293	* [[Characters/ThePunisherEnemies Jigsaw]]
294	* [[Characters/DaredevilCentralRoguesGallery The Purple Man]]
295	* [[Characters/MarvelComicsTheHand The Hand]]
296
297	[[WMG: Kamala's fanfic will be made into a playable mission]]
298	If and when Captain Marvel becomes a playable character, one of the missions that can be implemented is Kamala's fanfic where Carol is part of the story involving the sewer lizards.
299
300	[[WMG: A future episode will have an EnemyMine situation with AIM]]
301	The Avengers and AIM are currently at each other's throats right now, but there'll come a point where as much as they all wanna let Monica get a re-enactment of [[Film/TheAvengers2012 Loki and Hulk]], they need her brains and AIM's vast resources to fight off whatever new threat is coming around.
302	* [[spoiler: Well Fury is certainly working with Monica against the Kree, this could ultimately led in that direction.]]
303
304	[[WMG: Roy will become Ultron]]
305	It's highly unlikely Roy was put into the game without Ultron in mind (An A.I. created by Hank Pym). The fact he's named Roy is likely not a coincidence, and he's actually named after Roy Thomas, one of the creators of Ultron.
306	* [[spoiler: Well at the end of the Cosmic Cube event we see Roy place the Cube in storage, shut the door and then reopen it and touch the Cube...]]
307
308	[[WMG: Hydra will get involved]]
309	The opening A-Day Mission established they exist in the universe, HYDRA is a classic enemy for Captain America and they found Winter Soldier in the code. With HYDRA being associated with his brainwashing now, it's hard to imagine they won't come into play when he comes out.
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313	%% After the game's launch on September 4th 2020, rearrange all confirmed, jossed, and open theories in these folders.
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317	%% !Pre-Launch
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319	%% [[folder: Pre-Release theories]] (Neither confirmed nor deconfirmed)
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321	%% [[folder: Jossed]]
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323	%% [[folder: Confirmed]]
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325	%% !Post-Launch
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327	%% [[folder: Post-Release theories]] (Both confirmed and jossed)
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329	%% [[folder: Possible Sequel]]
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