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6	->''"Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other."''
7	-->-- '''Creator/BenjaminFranklin''', ''Poor Richard's Almanack'' (1743)
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9	Sometimes, the TricksterMentor or ZenSurvivor has [[AnAesop a lesson]] to teach the younger folks for which words won't do -- only by setting them up to discover it themselves will it take. In some cases, it is because the lesson won't make enough of an impression if explained; either they have to go through it themselves, or they have to put it into their own words before it really registers. In other cases (especially involving mystical teachings) it is something that literally can't be spoken at all, at least not in any manner that won't sound like an IceCreamKoan to anyone who hasn't experienced it. A form of TaughtByExperience.
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11	Differs from FigureItOutYourself in that in that trope the 'student' knows that they need some important information and the 'mentor' blatantly refuses to give it, while in this one, the student is usually oblivious to the fact that a lesson is being given at all until the moment of illumination.
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13	See also: ItWasWithYouAllAlong which is this with a FetchQuest attached. Compare SecretTestOfCharacter, HelpingWouldBeKillstealing, and ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself.
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18	[[AC:AnimeAndManga]]
19	* In ''Manga/DragonBall'', Master Roshi disguises himself as Jackie Chun in the World Martial Arts Tournament to teach his students that there will always be someone stronger than them. It sticks, as Goku makes several victories thanks to never assuming he's the strongest person out there. At the second Tournament in the story, Roshi intentionally forfeits his match against Tenshinhan after feeling that he'll serve the purpose even better, and he hangs up the Jackie Chun persona for good.
20	* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', Izumi Curtis leaves Ed and Al, then just kids, to survive a month on an island without using alchemy because, apparently, that's the only way they will learn what her philosophy means. However, when they explain in short what they've learned, she laughs at them, suggesting she may have been just testing their determination to train under her. Worth noting is that in the manga, she had her husband's apprentice on the island as well, wearing a monstrous mask and wielding a stick, just to up the ante... and also to keep an eye on them should anything seriously bad happen.
21	** Played with in Izumi's own training in an omake. She was put in the same situation, learned a slightly different lesson...only to discover she trained under the WRONG TEACHER! The alchemy teacher had died, she got his survivalist brother! One quick beatdown later, she is on her own, um, ''unique'' path...
22	* In the second part of ''Manga/LupinIII'', Lupin gets in a bind when he is ordered to steal a file from Scotland Yard, or he'll be blown to bits. He pleads his case to Jigen and Goemon, but neither of them will help him, believing that Lupin brought it on himself for ignoring their warnings about the invitation just to impress Fujiko, who is held hostage.
23	-->'''Lupin:''' Come on, guys, I really need your help!\
24	'''Goemon:''' I'm sorry, but no.\
25	'''Lupin:''' Huh?!\
26	'''Jigen:''' Nope, it'll teach you to listen to us next time. That is, ''if'' there is a next time.\
27	'''Lupin:''' Aw, come on, please, guys! This is- I mean, isn't this kinda harsh?\
28	'''Goemon:''' No, it's just consequences, Lupin.\
29	'''Jigen:''' That's right. You know, you're like a [[ManChild friggin' teenager,]] Lupin. You gotta grow up, man.\
30	'''Lupin:''' I am ''not'' like a teenager! [[NotHelpingYourCase You guys suck! Go on, take off, who needs ya?]]
31	* Teachers in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' love this method like Naruto loves ramen.
32	** Kakashi's first challenge is to [[WhenYouSnatchThePebble seize two bells]] from his person. Fail to get a bell, fail the test, yet there are ''three'' students. The lesson is to ignore the built-in incentive for competition and work as a team (later we learn that this method is a strange, sadistic tradition amongst the Hokage-trained line). They fail to realize this and are punished by only two of them eating lunch while the other watches (guess who), which was ''another'' test of character. They give Naruto food despite the rules and pass.
33	** Jiraiya gets impatient teaching Naruto how to release chakra. So he [[SinkOrSwimMentor pushes Naruto into a deep canyon]] so that he releases his chakra in a panicked rush. Yes... That is ''truly'' the ONLY way Naruto could learn it.
34	*** Could be excused by Naruto's HealingFactor, though.
35	** Ebisu wants to teach Naruto to walk on water, and gives a decent explanation how... but thinks it best that Naruto's practice water be boiling hot. TrainingFromHell excused with it's the only way they will learn. The counter-argument being that a student who has just been dunked in boiling water most likely won't have the best of focus - which is crucial to walking on water.
36	** Then, when sages tried to explain the fusion of different types of energy into the body, Naruto was at a loss. So one of the sages '''literally''' gave an IceCreamKoan.
37	--->'''Gamakichi:''' It's like how ice cream is even better when you add mint to the chocolate and vanilla swirl.\
38	'''Papa:''' That's even harder to understand!!\
39	'''Naruto:''' Oh! I get it!\
40	'''Gamakichi:''' Hehehe... That's just how Naruto is...
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42	[[AC:Fan Works]]
43	* Besides being CruelToBeKind, ''Fanfic/CellarSecrets'' has Satsuki invoking this in chapter 25. As Shiro lay dying, she wanted to shield Ryuuko from the idea but quickly decided not to because, to her, her sister needed to see what death was, understanding that Shiro wouldn't be coming back.
44	* As part of a celebration in ''Fanfic/DestinyIsAHazyThing'' Anko, Asuma, and Kurenai let their genin drink sake. The resultant hangovers will teach them not to overindulge.
45	* Kurenai and Naruto trick Ino into thinking she's been captured by slavers in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9285638/1/Leftovers Leftovers]]'' to convince her to take her training seriously. While Kurenai tried explaining it earlier, she realized it wasn't getting through to the girl. The lesson is further driven home when Ino learns one of her former classmates was captured a month ago, far too late for her to be saved.
46	* In the 11th chapter of ''Fanfic/LovedAndLost'', Shining Armor [[ATasteOfTheLash receives a merciless flogging]] for disgracing the royal guard. Twilight tries to defend her older brother by questioning whether the severity of his punishment is warranted, but she relents when [[ManipulativeBastard Jewelius]] tells her that Shining must be taught a lesson.
47	-->'''Twilight''': Don't you think this is a little harsh? He never really meant for all these terrible things to happen.\
48	'''Jewelius''': Twilight, my faithful student. While he might not have meant to cause so much harm, it does not change the fact that he did and could've easily prevented it. I do not take pleasure in such torture, but [[WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDameDisney a lesson needs to be learned here]].\
49	'''Twilight''': I understand.
50	* [[Series/DeadLikeMe George]] in ''[[https://remixredux09.livejournal.com/60359.html Reaping the Whirlwind]]'' knowingly makes a deal with [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Dawn]] that she knows the latter won't be able to pull off[[note]]She tells Dawn to share a story with her Slayer that only the two of them know and that if Dawn succeeds, she'll let her do whatever she wants to help the Watcher's Council. But if a Reaper attempts such a thing, they not only stammer random words but actually lose the memory of whatever story they try to tell[[/note]] to teach her that Reapers like them have to not interfere with the living.
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52	[[AC:Films -- Live-Action]]
53	* [[DoubleSubversion Double Subverted]] in ''Film/AllAboutEve''. Karen deliberates on her plan to help Margo to get over herself. She finishes with "there's not even a reason why I shouldn't tell her," then, as she picks up the phone, adds, "in time." Subverted again, when it turns out ''Karen'' is the one with her head up her ass.
54	* ''Film/TheKarateKid1984'' introduced this lesson technique with ''WaxOnWaxOff'' as the assigned task was menial but resulted in valuable muscle memory.
55	* ''Film/LocalHero'' - Old Ben, a hermit beachcomber, legally owns the shoreline in a village an oil company wants to purchase, and he's the lone holdout. Mac the acquisitions executive tries to bargain with him; Ben scoops up a handful of sand and asks if he'd give a pound for each grain he's holding for the property. Mac refuses outright, and Ben points out that he can't be holding more than 10,000 grains, and he missed a good deal. Ben is clearly implying he doesn't recognize the true worth of the place but Mac doesn't get it - when the CEO arrives, Mac tells him "If he makes any offer involving sand, take it!"
56	* ''Film/TheMatrix'':
57	** The Matrix can only be understood through direct experience. While the audience may feel the urge to scoff at this at first, it does make sense. Telling someone they have lived in a computer simulation their entire lives may be easy, but they're not going to ''believe you'' without proof. Also, as Cypher points out later, if they were upfront about everything, their recruits would be more likely to refuse. We also later learn that explaining the nature of the Matrix while Neo was still plugged in would have been dangerous--it would have alerted the Machines to what Neo was doing, and left him vulnerable to [[BodySurf Agent takeover]].
58	** Later in the film, Morpheus sets Neo up for the "grand illumination" form of this in order to make him realize that he is The One.
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60	[[AC:{{Literature}}]]
61	* Kind of the point of the whole Literature/BookOfHosea. Why order a prophet to go marry a brazen prostitute? Because God and the Hebrews had this ''thing'' in the old days of Israel where every few generations they would begin to worship the gods that the nations around them did, which had been strictly and repeatedly warned against since the beginning of their own history as a nation. As an analogy, they were cheating on Him with other gods like a wayward wife cheats on her husband with other men - hence the need for a realistic demonstration of the analogy. Put another way: "There's this guy, see? He wants to share his life with someone, so he goes out looking and comes back with a literal whore. He's committed, so he overlooks this and takes her into his house. He treats her right and gives her gifts to show his love - and then she walks out the door and back to her old lifestyle. Even so, he still goes out to bring her out again, out of his love. I am the husband, you're the whore. Understand?"
62	* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'':
63	** Harry's lessons for Molly Carpenter, a reforming Warlock, involve this. He tells his cop buddy Murph that she's the kind of person you "have to keep knocking on her ass" because "If I don't, if I let her recover her balance before she gets smart enough to figure out ''why'' she should be doing things instead of just ''how'' to do them, or ''if'' she can do them, she'll start doing the 'right' thing again. She'll break the Laws again, and they'll kill her."
64	** Another example shows up when he first takes her on: he throws a miniature sun at her face and screams at her to make him stop it.
65	** Once Molly finally does learn those lessons, signified by a bracelet he'd had her wearing breaking, Harry explains that his own mentor put him through much the same thing.
66	** Harry trains Molly to create shields by chucking snowballs at her, privately reflecting that he received the same training with ''baseballs''. It's initially chalked up to his abusive EvilMentor, but Morgan later mentions that he got the same training from ''his'' master but with ''rocks'', and opines that it's the best way to teach young wizards that self-defense is SeriousBusiness.
67	* Ender from ''Literature/EndersGame'' is put under a series of trials by his [[spoiler:seemingly negligent adult supervisors in order to balance his kindness with ruthlessness, making him unafraid to kill when a crucial decision must be made -- he ends up (unintentionally) killing two people to complete his main training. [[TricksterMentor Mazer Rackham]] then ruthlessly punishes him in physical combat until he learns to let go of his instinctive mercy.]]
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69	[[AC:LiveActionTV]]
70	* On ''Series/ArrestedDevelopment'', extreme examples to "teach them a lesson" are present from the first episode, where Maeby conspires to teach her parents a lesson about being away from family by [[KissingCousins making out with her cousin and claiming she didn't know]]. Later in the series, it would be revealed that the Bluth kids have an aversion to being taught "lessons" in this fashion from their father using a one-armed man who would lose his prosthetic arm in gruesome ways resulting from their actions.
71	* One episode of ''Series/DeadLikeMe'' has Dolores Herbig have an employee fake a heart attack so she can teach the Happy Time employees a lesson about using the defibrillators to make grilled cheese.
72	* Kalem does this to [[Series/TheLegendOfWilliamTell Will.]]
73	-->'''Will:''' Did you know where (the McGuffin) was all along?\
74	'''Kalem:''' Perhaps.\
75	'''Will:''' You couldn't have given us a hint?\
76	'''Kalem:''' What sort of hero would you be if you couldn't find these things for yourself?
77	* ''Series/{{QI}}'': in the episode "Immortal Bard", Stephen Fry mentioned a story about actress Diana Wynyard, who while playing [[Theatre/{{Macbeth}} Lady Macbeth]] on stage decided to keep her eyes closed during the scene where she was sleepwalking, and walked off the stage into the orchestra pit.
78	-->'''Alan Davies''': They were all watching her go and just said, 'Let her go!'.\
79	'''David Mitchell''': It's the only way she'll learn.
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81	[[AC:Theatre]]
82	* Inverted in Donizetti's opera ''Don Pasquale'' - it's the young people who have to teach Don Pasquale, Ernesto's old uncle, the lesson. Ernesto wants to marry his poor girlfriend Norina instead of the girl his uncle chose for him, so Don Pasquale decides to get married himself - and cut Ernesto off from his inheritance. So Ernesto's friend, the doctor, has Norina pretend to be his sister and fake-marry Don Pasquale, acting sweet at first, but turning into a nightmare once the papers are signed. When the doctor tells Don Pasquale that letting Ernesto marry Norina will make his "wife" go away, he gives permission - and they reveal the plot. Norina tells him [[AnAesop the lesson]] - an old man shouldn't get married.
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84	[[AC:VideoGames]]
85	* Grand Cleric Elthina in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII''. Despite being one of the most powerful political figures in the city, she refuses to assert her authority on the grounds that she practices nonviolence and that "children learn best when allowed to learn themselves". Anti-Qunari zealots have room to commit hate crimes, magical criminals run rampant, and the Templars repeatedly inflict brutal punishments on the Circle of Magi often in violation of their own laws, arguably as a result of her lack of action.
86	* ''VideoGame/GalaxyAngel'': In ''Moonlit Lovers'', Forte decides to take this method in her route to teach Chitose to rely more in her intuition, since despite her talent she has a too rigid, by-the-book approach to everything and tends to block when facing unexpected situations, unable to take decisive actions on the fly. At one point, when Chitose asks for a hint, Forte offers her some gum first, and when Chitose tries to take it, it turns out to be a box that bites when you put your fingers in it. Chitose doesn't take it well, but Forte insists that she won't learn the lesson if she outright tells her, let alone with her current approach to things.
87	* In ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', the [[OldMaster Jedi masters]] actually let a Jedi fall to TheDarkSide in order to teach her the dangers of letting her emotions control her. They send the player character to [[DefeatMeansFriendship redeem her]], in order to teach him the same lesson.
88	** As might be expected from a game with a KarmaMeter, you can subvert this trope by taunting her for her weakness, mercilessly killing her and then continuing your path down TheDarkSide merrily [[KickTheDog kicking puppies]] along the way.
89	** And Kreia in ''Knights of the Old Republic II''.
90	*** Kreia defines this trope. There's even a scene on Nar Shadda, where you can choose to help a person in debt or not. Either way, she berates you and shows what happens for the worse, in an attempt to show you how far-reaching your actions are. [[spoiler:This is relevant because basically her whole motive for setting the events in KOTOR II into action is based on this philosophy.]]
91	* Valve accidentally revealed the "Meet The Spy" video for ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' before its official unveiling - and subsequently added a "Valve Corporate Achievement" for "Failing to understand what 'Private' means on [=YouTube=]." The heading for it was "It's the only way we'll learn."
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93	[[AC:VisualNovels]]
94	* Case number four of ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyJusticeForAll'' has very clear undertones of this, when you think about [[spoiler:[[TheChessmaster Edgeworth]]'s]] awareness and motivations regarding the case.
95	* ''VisualNovel/LittleBusters'': [[spoiler:The whole game, and particularly Refrain, revolves around Kyousuke trying to impart this onto Riki and Rin. He knows he and the others are going to die, but just telling the two of them that they'll need to be strong isn't enough - he needs to force them to be strong in less dire circumstances so they gain some confidence and will know what they're capable of when the time comes.]]
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97	[[AC:WebComics]]
98	* In ''WebComic/BobAndGeorge'', [[http://www.bobandgeorge.com/archives/000420c Protoman hears Dr. Wiley plotting but does not interfere because he thinks Dr. Light needs to learn that his robots can be used for evil.]]
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100	[[AC:WesternAnimation]]
101	* In ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'', Wildcat has become such an adrenaline addict and rage case that he's joined an underground fighting ring, and it's just a matter of time until someone gets seriously hurt. ComicBook/GreenArrow arranges a bout and then fakes his own death in the ring at Wildcat's hands, forcing Wildcat to face "MyGodWhatHaveIDone" before it happens for real.
102	* This applies to the Cutie Mark Crusaders from ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. They have not yet realized that they can't force their cutie marks to appear and need some kind of epiphany. But from an in-universe prospective, they WILL learn this lesson because every pony eventually gets a mark. Also, their friend, Twist, already went through this and had said epiphany needed to get her cutie mark.
103	** [[spoiler:They eventually had that epiphany in "Crusaders of the Lost Mark", where they realized that their special talents were helping others discover theirs.]]
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105	[[AC:RealLife]]
106	* As mentioned in the CruelToBeKind page, one of the hardest things a parent/teacher/coach can do with a child's dream is let a child learn this way. If the adult hasn't convinced a child that pursuing a dream or goal could not only not pay off, but actually be harmful, sometimes the only way to make them learn is to let them try and fail at it. Whether or not the kid learns, or learns the right lesson, depends heavily on the individual child and the goal that can't be achieved. But, no matter what, it's hard for everyone involved.

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