Line #100 Main/NiceGuysFinishLast


1	->''"Nice guys finish last, bad guys have a blast! Take his money -- grab his honey -- dump that loser fast!"''
2	-->-- '''Lyrics in "Eugene, Eugene"''', ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold''
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4	A trope based on a Darwinian view of the world in which a man can't compete with other men for money and status (and by extension, women) without a willingness to be ruthless. When played straight, the character is a DoggedNiceGuy who may or may not end up defying the expectations of the cynics and finishing first after all.
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6	Sometimes, however, a male character (who may not be particularly nice at all) will get frustrated with his lack of success with women and conclude it's simply that AllGirlsWantBadBoys, not realizing that he may actually be just as much as a {{Jerkass}} as these ruthless alpha males he assumes get all the women, just whinier and more self-pitying. Expect much PlayingTheVictimCard. Others will either sympathize with him or call him out on really not being that much of a nice guy at all.
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8	Jerkasses sometimes use this line as [[JerkJustifications a rationalization for being such tools]], [[{{Realpolitik}} as do Jerkass nations.]] When used in non-romantic observations, especially by someone on the extremely sour end of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, expect the phrase to be punctuated with "... if they finish at all."
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10	Incidentally, the trope name is a [[BeamMeUpScotty misquote]]. There are several supposed sources and original quotes (and ironically, one of the people most frequently cited as the originator of the phrase was a Jerkass baseball manager who repeatedly lost to his genuinely kind and BenevolentBoss rival), but the fact that it's a misquote is the only certain thing.[[note]] What Dodgers manager Leo Durocher actually said, to the ''New York Journal-American'' in 1946, is, "The nice guys are all over there [on the Giants], in seventh place." Years later in his memoirs Durocher claimed that on one occasion "The Giants, led by Mel Ott, began to come out of their dugout to take their warm-up. Without missing a beat, I said, 'Take a look at that Number Four there. A nicer guy never drew breath than that man there.' I called off his players’ names as they came marching up the steps behind him, 'Walker, Cooper, Mize, Marshall, Kerr, Gordon, Thomson. Take a look at them. All nice guys. They’ll finish last. Nice guys. Finish last.'"[[/note]]
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12	Opposite of CheatersNeverProsper and SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan. Related to LoserProtagonist, RomanticRunnerUp, and {{The Social Darwinist}}. For characters who actually finish last because they're nice, see DoggedNiceGuy.
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14	Also see ThenLetMeBeEvil.
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16	!!Examples:
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20	[[folder:Anime & Manga]]
21	* Played straight in ''Manga/{{Doraemon}}''. In the future, Shizuka ends up choosing [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist Nobita]] over [[IncorruptiblePurePureness Dekisugi]] (although Nobita is a JerkWithAHeartOfGold). [[ChildhoodFriendRomance They get engaged]] during university and they eventually marry while the rest are still bachelors.
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24	[[folder:Comic Books]]
25	* Subverted in an ''ComicBook/{{Archie\|Comics}}'' comic book back in the 70s, where the school participating in a citywide athletic marathon, and Riverdale High's star athlete Reggie is felled by a sprained ankle. Archie has to take his place and in every event, he eats the other participants' dust coming in second and third. But Dilton Doiley has been crunching the numbers, noting that on total points alone, Archie has put Riverdale High in the lead and he winds up winning the marathon.
26	* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': Regarding the Xander example in Live TV below, it gets even worse in the comic. Buffy still shows no romantic interest in Xander and even briefly explores a same-sex relationship. It's not until Xander begins dating Dawn that she makes a move. Xander chides her for ignoring that he's with Dawn and says that even without Dawn in the picture.. "You went through gay to get to me. I'm a lower option than gay" and he solidly rejects her.
27	* ''ComicBook/AstroCity'': Subverted. MPH tries to pull this when Quarrel decides to dump him for her old boyfriend [[MilesGloriosus Crackerjack]]. Quarrel isn't having it, though; she rightly points out that she isn't "all women", and that her commitment to being a BadassNormal superhero means she simply ''can't'' commit to the kind of relationship he wants. She also points out that Crackerjack's assholery is a major reason why their relationship works so well; he is simply too self-absorbed to care if she spends most of her waking time training, foils bank robberies on date nights, or is too preoccupied with superheroing to remember birthdays and anniversaries.
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30	[[folder:Fan Fiction]]
31	* In ''Fanfic/TheStalkingZukoSeries'', the author, dissatisfied with how Aang got together with Katara in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' complains about [[OfficialCouple the pairing]] being a way to reward Aang for being a "[[DoggedNiceGuy Nice Guy]]". Unsurprisingly, Katara ends up getting together with [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Zuko]].
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34	[[folder:Films -- Live-Action]]
35	* In ''Film/{{Bedazzled\|2000}}'', the protagonist, Elliot, starts out as one. Definitely PlayedForLaughs when he asks to be "the most sensitive man in the world."
36	* Deconstructed and ultimately subverted in ''Film/TheFortyYearOldVirgin''. While Andy may fail at one night stands and short-term relationships compared with his more outgoing and lecherous coworkers, guess who's the first to sustain a healthy long-term relationship and get married?
37	* PlayedWith in ''Film/IWantYouBack'': Emma doesn't think funny everyman Peter can seduce Ginny, and Peter doesn't protest. He contrasts himself to the 'classically handsome' and muscular gym trainer Noah and mentions that girls in high school would always tell him he was such a good friend. However, Emma later tells him that being the kind of guy you would fall in love slowly is rarer and better than being a "one-night bang".
38	* Implied throughout ''Film/TheJaneAustenBookClub''. Lampshaded when Grigg has this conversation with Jocelyn.
39	-->'''Grigg Harris:''' Women never go for the nice guys.\
40	'''Jocelyn:''' Please, men say that, but when you get to know some of these men who complain the most, you find out they're not as nice as they think they are.
41	* Stanley Ipkiss from ''Film/TheMask''. He grows out of it by the end of the film, where he learns how to still be a nice guy without being a pushover. It even gets name-dropped in the film.
42	-->'''Stan:''' Wait. Peggy Brandt? "Ask Peggy"? You printed one of my letters. "Nice guys finish last"?\
43	'''Peggy:''' That was you?! We got tons of mail about that letter [...] [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan There are literally thousands of women out there looking for a guy like you]]!\
44	'''Stan:''' Really?\
45	'''Peggy:''' Oh yes! I'm one of them....
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48	[[folder:Literature]]
49	* The tongue-in-cheek book ''Nice Guys Don't Get Laid''.
50	* ''No More Mr Nice Guy'' is another, more serious self-help book where Dr. Robert Glover covers the 'Nice Guy' syndrome in detail. He explains that being a "[[DoggedNiceGuy Nice Guy]]" (in the sense of a passive-aggressive ExtremeDoormat) is ''not'' a good thing for you or your intended loved ones, repeatedly points out that acting like a self-centered jerk is just the opposite extreme, and generally advises that balancing your own wants and needs against those of other people is the key to happiness.
51	%% Subverted/Averted/Inverted with Jem Carstairs in ''Literature/TheInfernalDevices''? Depends on how literal you take the name.]]
52	* ''Literature/ObjectOblivion'' has [[NiceGirl Snakey]] the first contestant eliminated to [[RoyalBrat Pri]][[TheLoad sm]].
53	->'''Prism:''' She never stood a chance. Guess nice people do finish in last place after all.
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56	[[folder:Live-Action TV]]
57	* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': Xander spends season 1 in love with Buffy. Buffy sees Xander as one of her best friends. When Xander asks Buffy out in the series one finale "Prophecy Girl", Buffy rejects his offer. She is currently in love with Angel, a vampire with a soul. Xander, admittedly unable to handle rejection, says to her: "I mean, I guess a guy's gotta be undead to make time with you."
58	* ''Series/ICarly'': Freddie invokes this by trying to prank order a ''fishy pizza'' to his teacher's house in front of Carly. When the pizza place calls back, he panics and runs away. Actually ''works'' in "iStage an Intervention" when he pulls a prank on Sam after she pulled one on her. Carly is impressed, but Freddie lacks the confidence to follow through and try to ask her out.
59	* There's an episode of ''Series/TheITCrowd'' that plays with this in all kinds of weird ways. Roy tries to prove that "all women want bastards" by making a fake profile on a matchmaking Web site for a mean alter ego (it starts with "Shut up!"), and when he gets a response from a woman he actually quite fancies, he goes on a real date with her but has to pretend to be the bastard his profile made him out to be. The {{Aesop}}, if there is one, seems to be about [[SelfFulfillingProphecy self-fulfilling prophecies]]: women who want bastards will find them, and men who try to make themselves into bastards to attract women will attract only damaged goods who confirm their dim view of the opposite sex.
60	* ''Series/{{Friends}}'':
61	** Chandler -- probably the nicest character on the show and the one who gets the least action dating-wise - lampshades on this, quipping that someone saying he's a nice guy means "I'm going to be dating a [[{{AllGirlsWantBadBoys}} chain smoking alcoholic]] and complaining about them to you."
62	** Averted later on though, when his extremely attractive best friend Monica (whose its hinted he's had feeling for, for years) falls in love with him and they're HappilyMarried long before the rest of the gang.
63	* Subverted on ''Series/GirlCode''. While the first part of the "Bad Boys" segment says that AllGirlsWantBadBoys, by the end of the segment the cast agrees that Nice Guys usually wind up better off in life so they're the ones that girls SHOULD be going for.
64	* ''Series/{{Nevertheless}}'': Na-bi chooses the heartbreaker with commitment issues Jae-eon over her nicer childhood friend Do-hyeok.
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67	[[folder:Music]]
68	* Music/CobraStarship has a song called "Nice Guys Finish Last", but it has a fairly tongue-in-cheek tone, and (given that it appears on the same album as "Pete Wentz Is the Only Reason We're Famous") ''really'' shouldn't be taken seriously.
69	* Music/GreenDay's "Nice Guys Finish Last" predates the song above, though it's not a TropeNamer by any stretch.
70	* Music/FrankZappa: "The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing".
71	* [[PostGrunge Theory of a Deadman]] has "Gentlemen" which is this trope on the cynical end of [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism scale]].
72	* Mel & Tim's song "Good Guys Only Win in the Movies".
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75	[[folder:Theater]]
76	* The song "Mr. Cellophane" from ''Theatre/{{Chicago}}''. Though in this character's case, he was actually married...to a fame seeking woman with low standards who dumped him after she was done using him.
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79	[[folder:Visual Novels]]
80	* Defied by Kathy in ''VisualNovel/DaughterForDessert''. She will ''only'' do anything with the protagonist if he is nice to her. This is established if he tries to get Kathy to sext him early in the game. He gets what he wants if he’s nice about it, but if he’s forceful, well...
81	-->'''Protagonist:''' Send nudes. Now.
82	-->'''Kathy:''' Just ask nicely.
83	* ''VisualNovel/{{Melody}}'':
84	** During the course of the story, Sophia briefly dates a guy, Dante. He is generally nice, not pushing things sexually with Sophia in any way. Sophia eventually friendzones him.
85	** Averted with the protagonist. He’s a decent enough guy (though not a ''stereotypical'' nice guy), and can get a great deal of success depending on player choices.
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88	[[folder:Webcomics]]
89	* ''Webcomic/GirlsWithSlingshots'': [[http://www.girlswithslingshots.com/comic/gws-1280/ Jim goes on a tirade that "nice guys never get laid"]] to four perfectly normal guys who ''are'' getting laid. They are not amused. Unfortunately this would have worked better if the normal guys had not been actually ''bragging'' about getting laid in front of [[UnintentionallySympathetic Jim]].
90	* ''Webcomic/SomethingPositive'' has Mike declare this, as he whines about acting like a girl's friend, only to have her fall for some better-looking guy who actually asked her out, rather than the creepy guy who was pretending friendship so he could get something out of it.
91	* ''Webcomic/{{XKCD}}'' presented [[http://xkcd.com/513/ a comic]] featuring a nice guy going over his modus operandi. Though the "nice guy" in question is less "nice guy" and more EntitledToHaveYou, since his plan is to ensnare the girl in an insidious AllTakeAndNoGive relationship.
92	-->'''Nice Guy:''' When you have problems, night after night, I'll be there for you. Selflessly. I'll tear down the jerks you date and wait for you to realize how good I am for you. That only '''I''' will ever understand you. You won't want to hurt my feelings, and I won't ever force the issue. I'll tell myself it's because I "value our friendship". Bit by bit, I'll make you depend on me. You'll think about how long it would take to build this kind of connection again. And in a moment of weakness, and loneliness, you'll give in. It'll feel comfortable and natural. You'll quietly revise your definition of love and try to be happy. And sometimes you will be. Only the wistfulness in your gaze and the tiny pause before you say "I love you" will hint that this wasn't the ending you'd hoped for.
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96	* Being too nice is one of ''Website/{{Cracked}}'''s [[http://www.cracked.com/article_20197_5-innocent-things-that-science-says-make-people-hate-you_p2.html 5 Innocent Things That Science Says Make People Hate You]].
97	** GenderFlipped in [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-confessions-female-nice-guy/ "5 Confessions of a Female 'Nice Guy'"]]. The writer admits that she used to think her lack of luck with men was because men were too stupid to [[ItsAllAboutMe see how great she was]] and wanted {{Brainless Beaut\|y}}ies instead. She later came to realize that she was wrong and that maybe she was just a jerk back then.
98	* The feminist website ''Heartless Bitches International'' has a very scathing and [[http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtml controversial article]] about why certain Nice Guys can never get dates or sustain long-term relationships.
99	* Online comedian Creator/JennaMarbles rants about this saying in her video "Why Nice Guys ''Don't'' finish last." She points out that a lot of nice guys who can't get dates fail in their pursuit because they tend to go after the wrong types of women. The cheerleader has nothing in common with the nerd, so she shouldn't be seen as stupid or a bitch for not wanting to date him.
100	* "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfeys7Jfnx8 Nice Guys]]" by Creator/{{Nigahiga}}, Kevjumba, and Chester See is actually a subversion. In the music video, the guys go to a class where they learn that they must act like jerks in order to get women. However, they soon realize that acting like jerks actually makes girls hate them, and being nice is what really works. Specifically, the song on its own plays it straight, the music video that goes with it subverts it.
101	* Creator/DougWalker discussed this one in a commentary, stating that while he knows he gets taken advantage of and is called a pussy for having such an apologetic nature, the GoodFeelsGood feeling is still worth it. Yet he plays this one straight with [[WebVideo/DemoReel The Review Must Go On]], as everyone nice gets beaten down and loses, even [[AuthorAvatar himself]]. He gets his comforting words in WebVideo/ToBoldlyFlee twisted around to bite him, and the sweet cast of WebVideo/DemoReel are {{retcon}}ned to never exist.
102	* A podcast in ''Website/TheArtOfManliness'' explores this, noting that the "nice guy" is not always as nice as he thinks, often believing his own good nature allows him to act passive aggressively. This is especially when it comes to the myth of AllGirlsWantBadBoys.
103	* Creator/BillBurr's Monday Morning Podcast addressed a listener who was unhappy with a platonic relationship he was currently in with a girl he was attracted to. Bill basically told the guy that he needed to stop wasting her time and his own if he doesn't want to be JustFriends, and be honest about his desire to get laid if that's all he really cares about.
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107	* An episode of the ''WesternAnimation/BabyBlues'' AnimatedAdaptation focused on this. When Rodney asks Darryll for advice on women, Daryll tells Rodney he was a nice guy in high school, but if he [Darryll] could do it all over again, he'd be the biggest {{jerkass}} ever because he never got the girl. Rodney takes this to heart and starts acting this way, and sure enough, [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys girls fall all over him]]. At the end, Darryll finds out the bad boy who competed with him is now working as a janitor, and stops thinking this way.
108	** Subverted in that one of Rodney's co-workers, who makes more money and works less than Rodney, admits to being like the janitor.
109	* An episode of ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold'' dealt with this trope, in which a school play takes on this trope as part of a DownerEnding (a change made [[AuthorTract by the director of it]]). In fact the trope quote comes from the VillainSong sung by Arnold's character, who was the BigBad of the play.
110	* An episode on ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' had Ron trying to invoke this trope, and failing miserably. Which is ironic since when Ron became evil, he was actually very competent.
111	* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'': Plankton said this to [=SpongeBob=].
112	-->'''Plankton:''' Haven’t you figured it out, [=SpongeBob=]? Nice guys finish last. Only aggressive people conquer the world! ''([[EvilLaugh Laughs evilly.]])''
113	-->'''Spongebob:''' Well, [[PlayingWithATrope what about]] [[TakeAThirdOption aggressively nice people?]]
114	* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls1998'' "All Chalked Up" likewise used a variation of the "aggressively nice" option when HIM tries to use Bubbles' naivety to his advantage.
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117	[[folder:Real Life]]
118	* While it might have been misquoted, in terms of career, [[http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904823804576502763895892974.html some studies]] have found that it's true, with people considered more disagreeable more likely to get hired and make more money in their lifetimes. Some have boiled it down to basically if a person is a little bit of a JerkAss, they're more likely to A) feel entitled to a promotion, raise, etc. and B) actually ''ask'' for it. When applying it to a person's love life, however, it gets a little more tricky, with a big problem being most people tend to confuse "Nice Guy" with [[ExtremeDoormat "Doormat".]]
119	* People who are more aggressive in a relationship (not physically, mind you) of any kind tend to be taken more seriously and will usually have their demands met when they ask nicely but firmly. People who don't stick up for themselves in an argument or go along with what everyone else wants in order to make them happy are usually viewed as weak-willed and are taken advantage of. Naturally, there are times where you have to be a nice guy, otherwise you will be seen as a rude jerk, so for some people, the balance between being nice and being firm/aggressive can be tricky to maintain.
120	* Of course, the nice guy will be less likely to actually ''ask a girl out'' because he doesn't want to come across as intrusive (or out of fear of being accused of sexual harassment), while the "macho jerks" have no such qualms.
121	* Leo Durocher, manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, has often been credited with [[TropeNamer first saying this phrase.]] But what Durocher actually said, before a 1946 game with the New York Giants was: "The nice guys are all over there. In seventh place." (According to Durocher, it wasn't that they were nice guys that doomed them to failure, but a lack of what might be called "The Will To Victory".)
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124	->[[AsYouKnow Of course,]] the '''real''' reason nice guys finish last... [[spoiler:[[DoubleEntendre is because their]] [[SexGod partners finish first!]]]]

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