Line #11 Main/FourthWallMyopia


1	->''"Don't you get it, Ben? Ishiyama doesn't know he's a program in a game. This is all real to him."''
2	-->-- '''Gwen Tennyson''', ''WesternAnimation/Ben10''
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4	How can you tell a badass antihero from a violent terrorist? How can you tell TheCassandra from a rambling madman? The answer is: You can't. Not by observing and interacting with them, anyway.
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6	The audience knows things that characters don't. They know that the ''[[Franchise/StarTrek USS Enterprise]]'' won't [[PlotArmor blow up]], or that ComicBook/SpiderMan won't [[FaceHeelTurn become evil]], [[StatusQuoIsGod at least not for long]]. They know what is real and what is not. Characters, however, don't know that. They don't know they are in a story and don't know who the main characters are, even if they are GenreSavvy. Even if they are willing to share their story, they can't always trust each other.
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8	When viewers forget about this fact, strange things will happen. A reasonable helmsman on a starship, who objects to going on a SuicideMission, will be seen as a whiny DirtyCoward, and when TheCaptain is CourtMartialed for his decision, viewers won't understand why. For GenreSavvy viewers, the captain's plan had a 100% success chance, but for characters it was more like a [[MillionToOneChance 99% chance]] to get their entire crew killed and their ship destroyed. Viewers won't approve the SuperRegistrationAct, but for comic book world bystanders, superheroes are masked armed men with unknown agendas. They don't know what to expect from them, and have all the reasons to be paranoid, especially considering that {{Face Heel Turn}}s are not uncommon for supers. A CowboyCop finally arrests John The Ripper and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique beats him until]] he confesses his crimes, but an AmoralAttorney gets him released. Viewers are infuriated, but nobody in-universe can be sure that the cop caught the right man (unlike us, they didn't [[ReverseWhodunnit see him do it]]), and they can no longer trust any evidence brought in by the arresting officer. Viewers are calling the king of Arcadia stupid because he [[CassandraTruth refuses to believe]] that Sir Gabriel actually saw the [[EldritchAbomination Beast From Beyond]], but the king is more concerned that one hundred men came to his palace this month and claimed that they saw the Beast with no proof beyond "Take my word for it!", which means the treasury has to pay for another mental asylum because the existing ones are overcrowded. We can go on forever.
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10	Essentially, this trope is when the audience complains that the characters in the world of the story, unlike the audience, [[GenreBlindness do not actually realise that they're living in a story and act accordingly]].
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12	There is another form, which is when viewers don't have myopia themselves, but project it on the author, which causes the false claim that StrawmanHasAPoint. For example, the admiral who accuses TheCaptain of reckless endangerment may be perceived as a "strawman with a point", while the author originally intended to [[WhatTheHellHero make the point]] that the Captain is in fact reckless.
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14	This is closely related to LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt; viewers know something is unlikely because it would disrupt the {{Status Quo\|IsGod}}, but for characters in the setting, [[ThisIsReality there's no reason to think this way]]. Sometimes, viewers may interpret an InternalReveal as a CaptainObviousReveal - because ''they'' knew the information ahead of time. See also NotBadassEnoughForFans, DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater, RootingForTheEmpire, where the audience and characters have completely different values (the audience values [[EvilIsCool coolness]] and badassery, the characters would prefer someone who wouldn't try to kill them). See also DramaticIrony, where this applies to plot rather than values. Viewers suffering from this may also consider certain plot developments to be potential {{Headscratchers}} when they are, in fact, simply a result of the characters not being aware that they're in a story nor possessing GenreSavvy or omnipotence; this often takes the form of complaints that the characters "should have just" taken a different course of action in order to resolve the plot easier or even not doing anything at all, not stopping to realise that the characters don't know things such as what other characters in different locations may be doing or how the narrative they're in ends.
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16	In roleplaying games, players are ''expected'' to demonstrate this trait in their characters: [[{{Metagame}} Metagaming]] in this context is the act of characters acting off of information that their character should not know. This is a piece of writing advice that is ''highly'' applicable to the hobby. It also extends towards other forms of meta-knowledge as well - Including [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife tropes]].
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18	Naturally, this would be justified if a character was in fact a FourthWallObserver (thus giving them the same amount of knowledge as the audience), but those are still the exception to the rule.
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20	Compare AudienceAwarenessAdvantage.
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27	* ''Manga/{{Boruto}}'': Part of the reason Boruto was seen as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic for a while by some viewers can be traced back to this. He's supposed to have a valid point about Naruto being a bit of a distant father due to work, and that Naruto needs to spend more time with his family. However, given that pretty much everyone who watches ''Boruto'' has either seen the original ''Naruto'', or at least knows the basics of it, it's hard to find Boruto likeable at first because of how good his life is compared to Naruto's, and the fact that said viewers are more likely to look past Naruto's mistakes as a father due to understanding the difficulties Naruto experienced due to lacking parents. So while Boruto is completely justified in being upset at Naruto, from a viewer's perspective, Boruto looks like a spoiled child who is complaining about something he shouldn't take for granted.
28	* ''Manga/KaguyaSamaLoveIsWar'': Quite a few fans are angry at [[spoiler:Ootomo for her blaming Ishigami for ruining her relationship with Ogino despite all he did to protect her, even though he ''deliberately'' kept her in the dark. From her perspective a boy she barely knew attacked her boyfriend, was accused of being a stalker, never refuted the claim or explained himself, and her boyfriend broke up with her several days later. What other conclusion was she supposed to come to based on the available information? The phenomenon happened again when Tsubame finally told Ootomo the truth; while it is sad that their friendship ultimately cracked because of this, from Ootomo's perspective she's been suddenly hit with information she should have gotten a long time ago if true, while she's supposed to forgive somebody who didn't even exonerate himself on her friend's word.]]
29	* ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'': While the audience is meant to sympathize with the plight of Ghouls, there is a certain in-universe logic to the laws concerning them and CCG's Zero Tolerance policy concerning their existence. Though the audience knows there are gentle Ghouls that attempt to live without killing, the fact remains that the entire species are super-powered beings that can pass themselves off as human right up until they start to tear people apart and eat them, with even the supposedly "good" ghouls still affected by a hellish hunger which they may give in to at any time. They are essentially a species of Serial Killers with superpowers.
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33	* ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW'': "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue34To37 Siege of the Crystal Empire]]": Many critics of Radiant Hope point to her trusting the Umbrum as [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter as an example of her stupidity]]. However, while readers are shown in [[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFiendshipIsMagic the prior story]] enough to know that they're evil, Radiant Hope doesn't know that or about the Umbrum, who went through great efforts to hide their true nature and to disguise their ObviouslyEvil forms for over 1000 years prior. The Umbrum also spent 1000 years deceiving Radiant Hope against her people, preying on [[DespairEventHorizon her brokenness and guilt]] to make her desperate to believe them, explaining her initial resorting to villainy instead of talking things out and how long it took her to [[HeelRealization realize she was deceived and wrong]] happening largely offpage compared to the consequences and calling outs held against her.
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38	* ''Fanfic/FriendlyForeignExchangeStudentSpiderMan'': Much of the reason for Peter and Bakugo's conflict being so divisive is due to this trope. Peter sees Bakugo as little more than a selfish jerk, but the audience knows that he's had HiddenDepths from day one; Bakugo sees Peter as little more than a showboating goof, but the audience knows that he's gone through -- and is still going through -- his own TraumaCongaLine, so the fact that the characters keep fighting because of their shared lack of fourth-wall knowledge results in fans going back and forth on who's in the right. The incident of Bakugo accidentally insulting the Avengers isg a huge example of this; while many labeled it as Bakugo crossing the MoralEventHorizon, that only works because the readers are the only ones who would be aware that Bakugo said anything wrong.
39	* ''Fanfic/{{Null}}'': Readers have the benefit of knowing things that Team RW_Y don't during the encounter at the docks, such as that [[spoiler:Juniper was on the Bullhead that Penny shot down]]. From their perspective, they had encountered a dangerous criminal working alongside a terrorist group in the middle of a theft, and attempted to apprehend him and stop said terrorists from escaping. They had no knowledge of Jaune's circumstances, or that the heist [[spoiler:was also the last stage of a rescue mission. Additionally Team RW_Y were willing to temporarily retreat until Penny was hacked by the conspiracy causing her to instigate the battle that led to Juniper's death]]. It should be noted however, that [[spoiler:Yang openly did not care who was on the bullhead until Jaune reveals his mom was there. Similarly, Ruby and Weiss do not show any sign of regret over the bullhead's destruction and [[WhatMeasureIsAMook death of everyone aboard]]]].
40	* ''Fanfic/{{Turtles}}'': A strange example. Many readers are quick to unfavorably judge the student council despite the fact that their perspective is filtered through the eyes of Koume, someone with an inherent bias against them.
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44	* ''WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitch'': Cobra Bubbles is often judged unfavourably as a villain simply because he had to evaluate whether or not Nani was truly capable of caring for Lilo. This ignores that in-universe, Nani has shown ''multiple times'' she truly cannot take care of Lilo (at least not without a very strong support system) and Bubbles's job as a social worker is to evaluate based off of what ''he'' sees.
45	* ''WesternAnimation/TheLittleMermaidIIReturnToTheSea'': Melody sometimes gets hit with this for believing Morgana's story that the trident belongs to her and was stolen from her, then subsequently handing said trident over to her. Detractors typically point out how ObviouslyEvil Morgana is, but Melody is a character ''in'' the story, and so has no reason to take this into consideration after how well [[ManipulativeBitch Morgana]] has treated her. To say nothing of how Morgana's very existence and who actually owned the trident were all kept a secret from Melody by her own family, who acknowledged that lying to her was the wrong decision.
46	* ''WesternAnimation/{{Zootopia}}'': A lot of the criticism is leveled against Bogo's actions as discriminatory and unfair, both by the audience and by characters like Nick and Judy. However, these criticisms are based on knowledge that Judy really is an animal with extraordinary skills and drive that could surpass that of several more experienced officers combined, something that Bogo doesn't have any first-hand knowledge of, as he had no direct hand in her hiring. He just had her word to go by about her skills, only had her on the force for a day and a half before she started being deliberately disobedient and causing problems, and he answered her only call for backup to find no evidence of her story. When Judy later proves what she's capable of, Bogo's opinion of her completely flip-flops and he actually shows her respect, now having seen what the audience already knew.
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50	* ''Film/BackToTheFuture1'': Various internet lists detail "plot holes" such as George [=McFly=] not getting suspicious of his son Marty looking just like the Marty he met back in 1955 and/or recognizing the names of the planet "Vulcan" or "Darth Vader" from ''Star Trek'' and ''Star Wars'' that came out years later.
51	** For the resemblance to Marty from 1955, his son ends up looking like 1955 Marty exactly 30 ''years'' later, long after he would have remembered the exact facial details of someone he had met for a few hours over the course of a week when he was in high school. While the audience is exposed to only the characters shown on screen in the film, George would have met and/or seen thousands and thousands of people since he was in high school. Finally, while Creator/MichaelJFox and Creator/CrispinGlover don’t look much alike (because, Doylistically, they're played by different actors who are unrelated to each other), presumably there are some shared facial features visible to the characters that leaves little doubt that Marty looks like his father. In addition, the [[Film/BackToTheFuturePartIII third film]] shows that shows that George's great-grandfather and grandfather also [[IdenticalGrandson looked exactly like Marty]], and given that he probably would have seen pictures of them, plus his grandfather would likely have still been alive into George's adulthood, he would more likely notice Marty resembling them than he would "Calvin Klein".
52	** For the science fiction references, while they clearly hear names they are already familiar with, George has just been woken up from a deep sleep (doesn't wake up from a guy putting head phones on him) with screamingly loud music being blasted into his ear drums, and in his state of being partially awake and filled with terror hears an "alien" mention a couple of names he's never heard before. It's not like Marty repeated himself or allowed him to take notes, so, while he is shown remembering the names the following day, likely because it's fresh on his mind, he would be unlikely to recognize those names a week later, much less one or two decades later.
53	* ''Film/HomeAlone'':
54	** In the first movie, the officer gives the house a cursory glance and declares it to be secure, which people often consider to be an example of AdultsAreUseless and idiot police. However, in-universe, he can't exactly barge in without a warrant -- which he doesn't have -- and therefore his suggesting to "count your kids again" actually ''is'' justified in-universe.
55	** ''Film/HomeAlone4TakingBackTheHouse'': The writers seem to have had a bad case of this, particularly in regards to Natalie. Take the scene where she's mad at Kevin. The audience knows that he's trying to stop the burglars, but he provides no evidence and no one at the party sees anything (which ''the film itself'' acknowledges). As such, Natalie is well within her rights to think he ruined the party on purpose because he wants to sabotage her relationship with Peter.
56	** ''Film/HomeSweetHomeAlone'': While some of Max's antics can be seen as one big KickTheDog after Kick the Dog, it's not unreasonable for him to assume the home invaders ''are'' here for him -- ''we the viewers'' know that the [=McKenzies=] aren't there for him, but ''he'', a child, only hears them say that they want to take "him" and sell "him" (the doll) to some old lady. So, from his point of view, they are a pair of human traffickers who understandably deserve what he inflicts on them.
57	* The classic "plot-hole" complaint / nitpick about ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk'', as discussed [[https://www.cracked.com/article_18658_6-movie-plots-that-could-have-been-solved-in-minutes.html here]], is that Indiana Jones should have just let the Nazis take the Ark of the Covenant back to Berlin where, upon opening it, the Nazi High Command would have suffered the same "melted by divine power" fate that the movie's bad guys did. [[note]] [[WordOfGod Steven Spielberg actually acknowledged this in an interview,]] and claimed that, had the Ark been presented to Nazi high command, Hitler would have had the foresight not to look inside himself. [[/note]] Leaving aside the fact that this wouldn't have made for a particularly exciting action-adventure film or active protagonist, this hinges on retroactive fourth-wall knowledge of what the Ark actually does that none of the characters in the film ''have'' until Indy realises it seconds before the Ark is opened at the climax. The viewer who has seen ''Raiders'' multiple times knows that there's nothing to worry about, but as far as Indy himself is concerned for 99.5% of the movie, the Ark is a powerful supernatural weapon that must be kept out Nazi hands at all costs.
58	* ''Franchise/StarWars'': While there are many legitimate criticisms regarding the Jedi in the prequel trilogy's investigation (or lack thereof) into the true identity of the Sith Lord behind the war, [[BigBad Chancellor Palpatine]] isn't as blatantly obvious in-universe as fans often claim. First and foremost, the characters have no idea that they are in ''prequel'' films, or [[Creator/IanMcdiarmid what actor]] plays the man who would later become the ruler of the Galactic Empire. And while they have their suspicions that there's a broader conspiracy afoot, the war with the powerful, dangerous political faction, led by someone they know is a Sith Lord, is obviously going to be their priority. Count Dooku does tell Obi-Wan that another Sith Lord is controlling the Republic's Senate in ''Attack of the Clones'', but at the time, Obi-Wan had every reason to believe Dooku was lying to him in order to sow conflict between the Jedi and the Senate. It should also be acknowledged that the Jedi do start getting suspicious of Palpatine in the third prequel, which is why they ask Anakin to spy on him.
59	* ''Film/TradingPlaces'': While the audience knows that Billy Ray really did accidentally bump into Louis and had no intention of stealing his briefcase, from Louis's perspective it comes across as Billy Ray just getting caught in the act and trying to claim it was a misunderstanding so he can avoid arrest, especially since he had previously encountered Billy Ray pretending to be a blind amputee and, in this instance, he also ran away when Louis alerted the police.
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63	* In ''Literature/AmericanPsycho'' [[AxCrazy Patrick Bateman's]] friends and colleagues brush him off when he confesses to his atrocities, usually thinking he's joking. While the ease with which they do so is part of the novel's satire of self-absorbed yuppie culture (realistically, you'd think Patrick would at least earn a reputation for being tasteless or having a bad sense of humor once he does this enough), the audience can only think they're outright stupid or evil for doing so because the audience knows Bateman is telling the truth ([[ThroughTheEyesOfMadness at least as far as Bateman knows.]]) However, the characters in-universe haven't heard any media coverage of a new serial killer in town, and even if they had, Patrick doesn't live or act like most real or even fictional serial killers (at least at the time. He did become a TropeCodifier for many modern serial killer tropes). And if he was a killer, why confess so freely? That he's joking, vying for attention, or just acting weird for no or some harmless reason when he casually claims he's killed his friends and dozens of others is the far more obvious conclusion, and so the one people go with.
64	* [[Literature/DifferentSeasons ''Shawshank Redemption'']]: While Andy does get abused by the American prison system, the event that puts him at its mercy - his wrongful conviction - was the obvious right choice for any jury that doesn't know he is truly innocent and an all-around NiceGuy. He admitted to driving to the place where his wife was having an affair, with a gun of the same caliber used to ultimately kill them and with the intention of doing so himself. While he decided not to go through with it and tossed the gun away, to the outside it just looks like he killed them for the oldest motive in the book, got caught all but red-handed, and is now either too stupid or just doesn't care enough to come up with a believable cover story.
65	* ''Literature/EmpressTheresa'' showcases why writers need to be aware of this trope - as Theresa apparently showcases knowledge of things she should not know in universe. This includes a delay in dialing the operator meaning "My phone is tapped", [[ItMakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext to take twelve bottles of coke for no apparent reason so she could stuff them in a thermal suit]], and to somehow have a VCR ready when given a VHS tape. Theresa never explains why she knows to do these things, making it seem as if she somehow ''knows'' what will happen. What's more, the only way to know why some things even happen is to hear Norman Boutin [[DearNegativeReader yelling at critics]].
66	* ''Literature/WolvesOfMercyFallsSeries'': While the reader is fully aware that the wolves are people and have no control over their actions, most of the residents of Mercy Falls don't have this knowledge. All they know is that they are living with a surprisingly large yet elusive wolf pack that lives uncomfortably close to humans and semi-regularly attack people. Any possibility of coexistence should have gone out the window years ago after Grace was pulled off her swingset and dragged into the woods and almost eaten. The hunt at the beginning of ''Shiver'' is depicted as horrible from the wolves' perspective, but from the townsfolk's it's simply prompted by the death of one of their own. From any other viewpoint, Grace and Olivia would be TooDumbToLive for retaining positive opinions of the wolves ''after being attacked and bitten'' while Mr. Culpeper would be lauded as a hero for protecting his community.
67	* ''Literature/TheZombieKnight'':
68	** When Hector was wanted after the incidents at his school, the readers knew that he was, in fact, the good guy. This wasn't visible to anyone in-story though; to them he was just the weird kid with scary powers who encased a couple of people in metal. ''They'' didn't know that the people he killed were mindless zombies controlled by Geoffrey.
69	** Sanko's behavior in the Ranlords vs. Vanguard arc makes a whole lot more sense if you consider this trope. Of course we know that the Rainlords didn't actually betray the Vanguard, but from Sanko's point of view, there is only evidence that incriminates the Rainlords. When they refuse to cooperate with the investigation, this marks them as guilty in her eyes which sets off the fight that might have been avoided otherwise.
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73	* ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'': Baltar's acquittal in Season 3 can seem to the audience like a stupid decision considering all the terrible things he's done, but it's easy to forget that the worst of them are still unknown to the public at the time. No one knew that he betrayed humanity to the Cylons (albeit unintentionally), nor that he allowed the nuke that destroyed ''Cloud 9'' to fall into their hands. He was on trial primarily for being a negligent president who [[TheQuisling collaborated with the Cylon occupation of New Caprica]], which is true, but it's also true that had he refused, they likely would have simply executed him and found another figurehead. (And indeed, the one time he tried to stand up to them, they jammed a gun into his temple.)
74	* ''Series/BigBrother'': Because this show in particular makes heavy use of the ConfessionCam, as well as the fact viewers are able to see in multiple rooms at once (or swap at will in impossible ways), it's not uncommon to hear people dismiss the players as "Stupid" or "Idiots" because they can't see what we can. The confessionals are still ''private'' after all.
75	** Really the above can apply to almost any reality competition series like ''Series/TheAmazingRace'', ''Series/{{Survivor}}'' etc. because for as much as we want to yell at our screens when a team can't solve a seemingly simple task or a castaway trusts someone like [[ManipulativeBastard Russell]], it can be easy to forget that aren't supposed to know everything and that being deprived of food and sleep can really hurt one's judgment.
76	* ''Series/JessicaJones2015'': In season 1, there's a time when it seems like Jessica may be able to rehabilitate [[BigBad Kilgrave,]] after she convinces him to use his CompellingVoice to save a family, and he offers to let her teach him if she stays with him. She decides to betray his trust and capture him instead, and to some audiences, this seems like a mistake. But while the audience would want to see the interesting story arc of a cynical anti-hero trying to rehabilitate a villain like Kilgrave, knows that Jessica is protected by PlotArmor even if she does fall under his control, and later learns that his powers weren't working on Jessica at the time, from Jessica's POV, the decision was a no-brainer; she believed that she was just one whim of a PsychopathicManchild away from becoming his abused puppet again, and the last time that happened, she was raped repeatedly for months, and eventually made to kill an innocent woman. He'd also slipped through her fingers before, so capturing him while she had the chance, and before he could hurt anyone else was the logical move.
77	* ''Series/MrRobot'': Invoked in season 1. Elliot's inner monologue is framed as him talking to his imaginary friend, but he sometimes [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall acknowledges that the theoretical person he's talking to knows more than he does.]] This leads to a BaitAndSwitch in one sequence, where a plan he makes works out when it seemingly shouldn't, and it's then revealed that he'd done something off screen to make it work. He then effectively tells his imaginary friend/the audience that sometime, he knows more than they do.
78	* ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'': Sgt. Sally Donovan is widely reviled by fans for her dislike and mistrust of Sherlock, and her suspicion that he may actually be behind some of the crimes he's solved. This is because the viewer gets to see glimpses of Sherlock's better nature, not to mention that we know for a fact that he isn't running around committing murders and kidnappings. From Donovan's point of view, though, here is a self-described sociopath who shows up at crime scenes (and, in her words, visibly "gets off on it"), is rudely antagonistic to everyone around him, then claims to have outdone them at their jobs and solved the case based on the scarcest of clues, because of logic leaps and factual knowledge that are a result of his extraordinary genius.
79	* ''Series/{{Smallville}}'': Lana Lang's tendency to end up in relationships with guys who [[BitchInSheepsClothing are revealed to be bad news]] has been a source of criticism from fans, with some even going as far as stating that this proves she [[RonTheDeathEater is secretly evil herself]]. This is despite the fact the guys Lana dates are very good at disguising their true intentions (and in at least one case, used mind control on her). This got especially bad when she started dating and eventually married Lex Luthor in season 6. While Lex's shadiness was obvious to all the other main characters at this point, they either didn't tell Lana the true extent of Lex's crimes or didn't have substantial proof of it. However, that didn't stop fans from bashing Lana for falling for a villain who has consistently been shown to very good at deceiving people so they don't see his true nature.
80	* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'': Deanna Troi is often mocked by fans for supposedly using her telepathic and empathic abilities to discover and [[CaptainObvious state the obvious]]. However, the things she often states tend to only be obvious to the audience who gets to hear the soundtrack and easily see outside the bridge of the ship; it's her job to bring the other characters up to speed.
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84	* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'': A considerable amount of ink has been spilled over the questionable actions of the GodEmperor of Mankind, especially during the Great Crusade and in the run up to the Literature/HorusHeresy. One commonly cited example is taking Angron away from his followers on Nuceria and leaving them to be slaughtered for rebellion. Ultimately what it comes down to is that for all his incredible power, the Emperor is still ultimately human at heart and made a ton of serious mistakes.
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88	* ''VideoGame/DeadRising2OffTheRecord'': The boss fight against Evan is played for laughs because players of the first game know that Adam the Clown's death wasn't Frank's fault. Adam attacked first and slumped over on his own chainsaws while they were still active. In the context of the story, however, Evan met his brother's killer (who had just expressed no remorse for killing him and had also callously insulted his family) and wanted to avenge his fallen brother.
89	* ''VideoGame/EldenRing'': Some players complain that Melina gets angry at you and refuses to speak to you ever again if you inherit the Frenzied Flame to spare her life by burning the Erdtree in her stead, because you can later purge the Frenzied Flame from yourself with Miquella's Needle, preventing any of the negative effects of becoming its host. A particular point of contention is that you can even have that item in your inventory when Melina makes her declaration, so she's supposedly being illogical for still insisting that you not use the Flame. The problem with that logic is that neither your character nor Melina have any way of ''knowing'' you can purge the Flame at that point in the game. The first item that might point you at Miquella's Needle is a merchant note from earlier in the game, and it does indeed say that the needle can ward off the outer gods and avert the fate of the Lord of Chaos... but when you actually ''get'' the needle (by trading it with Malenia's rebirth flower for her own Unalloyed Gold Needle), it does no such thing, because the needle is unfinished. In order for it to work you have to implement twisted time by using it in front of [[TimeMaster Dragonlord Placidusax]], and there's no way to get to him until ''after'' you inherit the Flame, burn down the Erdtree, and cause Melina to leave. Furthermore, while the item's description tells you all of this, in-universe your character never even gets confirmation that they're supposed to use it this way. The only thing that would even lead you to connect the needle and Placidusax is that flower-Malenia gives you one of Placidusax's scales along with it in the aforementioned trade, which could be taken as a hint to go use the needle in his presence. Essentially you're risking the destruction of all life everywhere forever based solely on a vague hint and a hunch, which would be more than enough reason for Melina to disparage you even if it ''does'' end up working.
90	* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'':
91	** In the ''Conquest'' route, the Nohrian siblings are often portrayed as foolish for not instantly believing Corrin and Azura's claims that Garon (Their father) has been DeadAllAlong and was replaced with a clone. They can't provide any actual proof - while the Nohrian siblings have presumably had regular contact with Garon throughout their lives unlike Corrin and Azura.
92	** One of the many criticisms of the ''Revelations'' route is the fact that Corrin and Azura's adoptive siblings all refuse to believe them when they try to convince the Hoshidan and Nohrian royal families that something else is wrong. This ignores that, from the perspective of the siblings? They have little to ''no'' reason to actually believe Corrin and Azura's rather outlandish claim. Even if they avoided the curse of Valla (meaning it cannot be spoken about outside of its borders), it's still quite hard to provide any evidence to support this claim.
93	* Similar to ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk'', it's assumed that Indy only needed to [[WinsByDoingAbsolutelyNothing just sit back]] in ''VideoGame/IndianaJonesAndTheFateOfAtlantis'' simply because the nazis would have all been killed ''in'' Atlantis by the device. However, Indy and Sophia have no reason to actually ''do'' this - since they don't actually know how dangerous Atlantis could be until they actually make it there.
94	* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'': Many people, such as ''Webcomic/AwkwardZombie'', poke fun of how ObviouslyEvil Xehanort is yet our trio still trust him. Or how Zack and Terra would trust the first person they see even if it's a Disney villain. Forgetting, of course, that in the world of Kingdom Hearts, Disney movies do not exist (Thus Terra has no way to know about them). Terra usually learns his lesson -- and if anything this falls into the AccidentalAesop of "Don't trust the first person you meet". Not only that, but Aqua and Ventus ''also'' do the ''exact same thing'' of trusting the first person they meet and taking things at face value -- but are often forgiven because the first person they meet is usually a protagonist -- if they meet a villain first off (i.e. Maleficent or Hades), they ''instantly'' spell out that they are evil.
95	* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' games in general have somewhat of a meme of the characters just saying "Okay I believe you" for believing characters' (often antagonists) word at face value. This is of course ignoring that not they're not present for the scenes where the villains spell out their EvilPlan, and ignoring scenes when the characters question whether or not they ''should'' genuinely believe the character or are flat out confused.
96	* ''VideoGame/LifeIsStrange2'': Players are primed to hate the antagonists because they are either racist or are against the pair because they are on the run for the murder of a cop. However, only the players are actually aware of a few things:
97	** A) The cop was careless and cowardly, and shot Esteban because the cop couldn't respect basic gun safety (i.e. don't point it at someone unless you plan to use it).
98	** B) Players of the first game are already aware that telekinetic powers exist in the game's universe and the cop's death was simply an accident because Daniel activated his power in a peak of emotional distress and trauma. This is not common knowledge in-universe.
99	** C) Some of the antagonists have a legitimate grievance against Daniel and Sean depending on player choices:
100	*** In ''Wastelands'', Merill catches Finn and Daniel trying to steal from him and not only holds the gun at them, but he points it at Cassidy and Sean as well because Merill thought they were all together. (Even though the players know that Cassidy and Sean were just at the wrong place at the wrong time and were actually trying to ''stop'' the heist).
101	*** ''Wolves'' draws attention to this by having a cop point out the unlikelihood of a series of random accidents following Sean and Daniel across the United States. Even though players are fully aware of the circumstances of those events.
102	* ''VisualNovel/MrLoveQueensChoice'': Season 2 Chapter 20 sparked controversy as to how thoroughly the Heroine, in-story, understood [[spoiler:that Lucien did not approve his research team to apply the first batch of bullets used in Chapters 13 and 14 onto her]]. This sent [[spoiler:Lucien's CN server fans into confusion and rampage; leading to Lucien's fan communities forming armies [[InternetCounterattack bombarding]] developer suggestion mail boxes on issues not about Lucien, but over ''the Heroine's'' character development by voicing their objections as to how their PlayerCharacter -- the character representing the players, who has RippleEffectProofMemory from S1, lost her cool and [[MisplacedRetribution lashed out on Lucien('s car)]] whereas players were already on board with the understanding that [[PowerOfTrust Lucien should be trusted, no matter what kinds of shady moves he makes]]]]. This issue also brought up the question as to how much of a weight adjustment should papergames make to retain their consumers' rights by leaving the necessary room for players to see themselves as the PlayerCharacter, while giving their writers more creative freedom to develop the Heroine's own in-story unique character.
103	* ''VideoGame/Persona3'': The audience is shown that Shinjiro is a cool guy with a genuine heart of gold that deeply regrets [[spoiler:accidentally killing Ken's mom]]; however, from Ken's perspective, he's just [[spoiler:the guy that killed his mom and ran away from the consequences for years]]. Shinjiro is also a decent party member to use while Ken is a major case of OvershadowedByAwesome. Unsurprisingly, a good chunk of the fanbase sees Ken as unsympathetic and doesn't consider his point of view. ''[[UpdatedRerelease Reload]]'' helps rectify this on Ken's side by showing the player his perspective through the Linked Episodes and buffing him as a party member.
104	* ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUsPartII'': Part of why Abby is seen unsympathetically by some fans.
105	** First, [[spoiler:we've played as Joel in the first game and are thus aware of the complexities of his character, and the understandable (albeit selfish) reasons why he killed the Fireflies to save Ellie. From Abby's perspective, however, he'd just be someone who massacred several Fireflies who were trying to create a cure for the zombie virus, including her father (who she doesn't see attacking or threatening Joel with a scalpel). Joel would just be one of countless enemies to her and the Fireflies that exist in the CrapsackWorld, because she wouldn't know about Joel's more positive traits, or that he only killed the people in the hospital because he saw Ellie, who they were going to kill, as his surrogate daughter. Also, while she was gleefully going to kill the pregnant Dina to avenge the equally pregnant Mel, she had no way to realize nor would have believed that Ellie didn't know that Mel was pregnant]].
106	** There's also the complaints that Abby [[spoiler:being made sympathetic by caring for Lev is "clichè" or "not enough to redeem her", when it's basically the same as Joel having been made sympathetic by caring for Ellie. The difference is that the players didn't hate Joel before he met Ellie, as instead of seeing his horrible acts in the past, we only hear mentions of it: they were enough for Tommy to want to permanently break ties with Joel and had "nothing but nightmares" from what he did to keep them alive, Tess refers to her and Joel as "shitty people" and Joel basically confesses to Ellie that he's killed innocent people before. One can thus only imagine Joel's past dark deeds, while his horrific murder by Abby is shown in clear and gruesome detail, causing far more resistance to empathize with her character despite being portrayed as similar to Joel's past self and how he turned softer by caring for a child.]]
107	** Ellie on the other hand, could have easily been the villain from another perspective. Everything Joel did in the first game was, from Abby’s perspective, a perfect reason to do what she did in the second game. But it inadvertently pushes Ellie to get revenge on everyone involved, crossing the line at some point during her murder quest but definitely before [[spoiler:she threatens to kill an unrelated third party in front of a nearly lynched and exhausted Abby.]] This is only tolerable due to how easy Abby was to hate for some.
108	** [[invoked]] There are many actions that Ellie takes in her part of the story which have received criticism for being [[BlamedForBeingRailroaded unavoidable story moments which the player is meant to feel bad for committing]], with the most prominent example being [[spoiler:a seemingly random dog that Ellie kills in the aquarium turning out to have been of special significance to Abby and her WLF buddies, to the point where the player can have Abby engage in a short game of fetch with it]]. The problem is that moments like these aren't ''meant'' to be WhatTheHellPlayer moments (In the way that, say, the [[spoiler:White Phosphorus scene]] in ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'' is explicitly supposed to be both Walker ''and'' the player's MoralEventHorizon) and are instead supposed to show how Ellie is spiralling off the deep end and her RoaringRampageOfRevenge is having unintended consequences with a lot of collateral damage which ruins the lives of bystanders, and they only seem to be calling the player out because they're able to see and play both sides of the story, as both the perpetrator and the victim.
109	* ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'': Silver the Hedgehog gets no end of grief from fans who see him as astronomically stupid for taking Mephiles the Dark's claim that Sonic must be killed to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong save the future]]. It doesn't help that Mephiles is such a blatant case of ObviouslyEvil, being a LivingShadow with HellishPupils and a CreepyMonotone who is also named after {{Mephistopheles}}. However, the Sonic universe has at least one case of DarkIsNotEvil in the form of Shadow the Hedgehog and Silver only accepts Mephiles's lies because he is so desperate to permanently destroy the monster that has been terrorizing his timeline for so long. Silver also does eventually start questioning Mephiles's words and eventually learns the truth after seeing Sonic's heroism and how people like Shadow and Amy come to his defense.
110	* ''VideoGame/TheWalkingDeadTelltale'': While Larry is a Jerkass who makes a bad first impression by saying they should [[WouldHurtAChild effectively kill Duck]] because he might be infected, his hatred of and once trying to kill [[PlayerCharacter Lee]] is pretty justifiable from his point of view; players know that Lee can be a good person deep down who's trying to protect people, especially Clementine during the zombie apocalypse. But from Larry's perspective, Lee was convicted of killing a State Senator, making him seem like one of the last kinds of person you want with you in a survival situation where law and order has broken down, so even after Lee saves Larry by helping get his meds (Larry doesn't witness all the trouble Lee goes to for them), he still has every reason to see Lee as a potential threat to him, his daughter, and the children in the group, even if practically throwing him to the zombies is going a little far.
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114	* ''Webcomic/CucumberQuest'': In light of the Princess R competition, Almond received a lot of hate in certain circles for being antagonistic towards the Nightmare Knight. However, the only one to have seen his softer side thus far is Princess Parfait; additionally, nobody in Cucumber's party knows that the Nightmare Knight who nearly ''sent them into the sun'' was most likely a fake. And Almond does have good reason to be legitimately concerned that Cucumber is in danger, since the Disaster Masters want to get rid of the Legendary Hero and the Nightmare Knight is ''much'' stronger than he is.
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118	* WebVideo/CarmillaTheSeries: The section of the fandom that tends to bash Laura for disliking and distrusting Mattie tends to fall under this. ''We'' know that Mattie (probably) didn't kill the newspaper kids, being well-versed in genre conventions and tropes and knowing that Mattie is a textbook RedHerring. and to us, she seems like a pretty cool, if morally ambiguous character. So, to the audience, it's rather obvious that Mattie isn't the culprit. ''Laura'', however, ''has no reason to believe that''. Between Mattie threatening to murder Laura the first time they met, attacking and nearly killing Perry in a fit of rage, and openly admitting to killing ''other'' people, from Laura's point of view, of ''course'' Mattie's the prime suspect. In any real life murder investigation, Mattie would be arrested straight away.
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122	* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'': Dana gets a lot of flack from some fans for not always forgiving Terry when he misses dates because of Batman duties and making his life difficult, even though as far as she knows, he's just an old man's part-time assistant who's doing a ''very'' bad job of balancing his new responsibilities with his prior relationships. [[note]] Compare the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' episode [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS2E13Epilogue "Epilogue"]], which serves as a FullyAbsorbedFinale to this show, showing that Dana grows out of this when she's older, having learned at some point of Terry being the new Batman and willing to be with him, even [[AvertedTrope averting]] ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies. [[/note]]
123	* ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales2017'': "[[Recap/DuckTales2017S2E3TheBalladOfDukeBaloney The Ballad of Duke Baloney]]": It can be easy to forget that, when Scrooge takes out a huge wad of cash tied with a gold money clip, visibly changes his mind, and tosses Duke a dime instead, while ''we the audience'' know Scrooge is reminded of his younger self and wants to inspire him the way he was inspired as a kid, ''Duke'' isn't privy to that background knowledge, so from ''his'' perspective it looks like an obviously rich duck with cash to burn made the conscious decision to short-change him (especially since a dime would be worth less due to inflation and, unlike in Scotland, it's legal tender). Scrooge revealing he's "the richest duck in the world" (but still not paying full price) [[NotHelpingYourCase just further hurts his case]], and makes his gesture of "teaching you self-reliance" come across as CondescendingCompassion. ([[DisproportionateRetribution How Duke reacted was still extreme, though]].)
124	* ''WesternAnimation/LegendOfTheThreeCaballeros'': While Daisy is very unforgiving toward Donald early in Season 1, it's also easy to forget she doesn't know the ''damn good'' reasons Donald has to ditch her that the audience is in on. For example, in the first episode she takes the day off to be with Donald on his birthday, only for him to leave her stranded in a very sketchy and unsafe part of town for hours on end after promising he'd be right over, and she implies this is far from the first time he's done something like this. During their romantic dinner when Donald is trying to woo her back, she can tell he's hiding a big secret about his new life from her (since he claims he's unemployed yet hired her three nieces to house-keep), and then ditches her a few times during said dinner. While the ''audience'' knows he has good reasons for the above (his MeanBoss called him in to work, his house burned down, he had to save the world), ''Daisy'' is LockedOutOfTheLoop, so from ''her'' perspective he's just being secretive and unreliable as usual.
125	* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'':
126	** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 A Canterlot Wedding, Part 1]]": The cause of the backlash over everyone refusing to believe and walking out on Twilight. Twilight made the same poor decisions as them[[labelnote:examples]]Their AesopAmnesia about taking your friends' worries seriously, with Twilight also forgetting the far more recent (as in the episode immediately prior) lesson of not jumping to conclusions without proof that she herself preached; being [[EasilyCondemned quick to condemn]] Twilight, while she was just as quick to condemn Cadance, never considering that she might [[NotHerself not be herself]]; everyone ignoring the threat to Canterlot, yet Twilight also doesn't consider that it might be connected[[/labelnote]] and discredited herself with her behavior throughout the episode[[labelnote:examples]]acting grouchy and unpleasant both before and during the wedding plans while being unhealthily possessive of her brother, nitpicking every instance of poor behavior from the bride and reducing her to tears via aggressive accusations, and repeatedly blowing off her friends' concerns and counterarguments[[/labelnote]], hence Twilight immediately accepting their apologies and spending as much time admitting she was wrong as well. However, as the episode takes place almost entirely from Twilight's perspective, it disproportionally shows why her actions seem justifiable while the justification for everyone else's[[labelnote:examples]]Their mentioning [[{{Bridezilla}} Cadance's alibis]], and "Cadance" giving them positions as bridesmaids showing she feigned niceness as needed to gain trust[[/labelnote]] receive little emphasis. It also overlooks the obvious proof to audiences that Cadance was an imposter ([[OutOfCharacterAlert not remembering "ladybugs awake"]], their different magic color) is something nopony but Twilight knows and that magic color is never confirmed as diegetic respectively, as well as Twilight failing to mention either thing when making her case.
127	** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E17TheTimesTheyAreAChangeling The Times They Are a Changeling]]": While it's very easy to call out the ponies, especially Shining Armor, only the audience and Spike are aware that Thorax is good. The others retain very personal memories of the changelings' invasion some time prior as their only impression of them, hence their reactions.
128	* ''WesternAnimation/StarTrekLowerDecks'': There's been a lot said about how unrealistic it is that Mariner would be allowed to serve on her own mother's ship and that such a thing would never be allowed in a real military situation... which forgets the fact that it's actually a ''secret arrangement'' until the first season finale, and is only possible because Mariner's father is an admiral who can override such regulations if he wants (Mariner was actually on his ship before he booted her to the ''Cerritos''). This may be due to the fact that Mariner and Carol Freeman do interact as mother-and-daughter plenty in the first season when they're alone, which keeps the fact at the forefront of the audience's mind. It also ''does'' cause a lot of friction when the secret is exposed, and later discussions imply that it's still continuing under Admiral Freeman's say-so.
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