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3rd Sep '15 10:27:36 AM Silverblade2
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When viewers forget about this fact, strange things will happen. A reasonable helmsman on a starship, who objects to going on a SuicideMission, will be seen as a whiny [[TheScrappy scrappy]], and when TheCaptain is CourtMartialed for his decision, viewers won't understand why. For GenreSavvy viewers the captain's plan had a 100% success chance, but for characters it was more like a 99% chance to get their entire crew killed and their ship destroyed. Viewers won't approve the SuperRegistrationAct, but for comic book world bystanders, superheroes are masked armed men with unknown agendas. They don't know what to expect from them, and have all the reasons to be paranoid, especially considering that {{Face Heel Turn}}s are not uncommon for supers. A CowboyCop finally arrests John The Ripper and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique beats him until]] he confesses his crimes, but an AmoralAttorney gets him released. Viewers are infuriated, but nobody in-universe can be sure that the cop caught the right man (unlike us, they didn't [[ReverseWhodunnit see him do it]]), and they can no longer trust any evidence brought in by the arresting officer. Viewers are calling the king of Arcadia TooDumbToLive because he [[CassandraTruth refuses to believe]] that Sir Gabriel actually saw the [[EldritchAbomination Beast From Beyond]], but the king is more concerned that one hundred men came to his palace this month and claimed that they saw the Beast, which means the treasury has to pay for another mental asylum because the existing ones are overcrowded. We can go on forever.

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When viewers forget about this fact, strange things will happen. A reasonable helmsman on a starship, who objects to going on a SuicideMission, will be seen as a whiny [[TheScrappy scrappy]], and when TheCaptain is CourtMartialed for his decision, viewers won't understand why. For GenreSavvy viewers the captain's plan had a 100% success chance, but for characters it was more like a 99% chance to get their entire crew killed and their ship destroyed. Viewers won't approve the SuperRegistrationAct, but for comic book world bystanders, superheroes are masked armed men with unknown agendas. They don't know what to expect from them, and have all the reasons to be paranoid, especially considering that {{Face Heel Turn}}s are not uncommon for supers. A CowboyCop finally arrests John The Ripper and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique beats him until]] he confesses his crimes, but an AmoralAttorney gets him released. Viewers are infuriated, but nobody in-universe can be sure that the cop caught the right man (unlike us, they didn't [[ReverseWhodunnit see him do it]]), and they can no longer trust any evidence brought in by the arresting officer. Viewers are calling the king of Arcadia TooDumbToLive stupid because he [[CassandraTruth refuses to believe]] that Sir Gabriel actually saw the [[EldritchAbomination Beast From Beyond]], but the king is more concerned that one hundred men came to his palace this month and claimed that they saw the Beast, which means the treasury has to pay for another mental asylum because the existing ones are overcrowded. We can go on forever.
10th Jun '15 4:08:39 AM MechWarrior
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The audience knows things that characters don't. They know that the ''USS Enterprise'' won't blow up, or that SpiderMan won't become evil, at least not for long. They know what is real and what is not. Characters, however, don't know that. They don't know they are in a story and don't know who the main characters are, even if they are GenreSavvy. Even if they are willing to share their story, they can't always trust each other.

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The audience knows things that characters don't. They know that the ''USS Enterprise'' won't blow up, or that SpiderMan Franchise/SpiderMan won't become evil, at least not for long. They know what is real and what is not. Characters, however, don't know that. They don't know they are in a story and don't know who the main characters are, even if they are GenreSavvy. Even if they are willing to share their story, they can't always trust each other.
10th Jun '15 4:08:23 AM MechWarrior
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How can you tell a BadAss antihero from a violent sociopath? How can you tell TheCassandra from a rambling madman? The answer is: You can't. Not by observing and interacting with them, anyway.

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How can you tell a BadAss {{Badass}} antihero from a violent sociopath? How can you tell TheCassandra from a rambling madman? The answer is: You can't. Not by observing and interacting with them, anyway.
21st Feb '15 10:51:02 AM Diask
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When viewers forget about this fact, strange things will happen. A reasonable helmsman on a starship, who objects to going on a suicide mission, will be seen as a whiny [[TheScrappy scrappy]], and when TheCaptain is court-martialed for his decision, viewers won't understand why. For GenreSavvy viewers the captain's plan had a 100% success chance, but for characters it was more like a 99% chance to get their entire crew killed and their ship destroyed. Viewers won't approve the SuperRegistrationAct, but for comic book world bystanders, superheroes are masked armed men with unknown agendas. They don't know what to expect from them, and have all the reasons to be paranoid, especially considering that {{Face Heel Turn}}s are not uncommon for supers. A CowboyCop finally arrests John The Ripper and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique beats him until]] he confesses his crimes, but an AmoralAttorney gets him released. Viewers are infuriated, but nobody in-universe can be sure that the cop caught the right man (unlike us, they didn't [[ReverseWhodunnit see him do it]]), and they can no longer trust any evidence brought in by the arresting officer. Viewers are calling the king of Arcadia TooDumbToLive because he [[CassandraTruth refuses to believe]] that Sir Gabriel actually saw the [[EldritchAbomination Beast From Beyond]], but the king is more concerned that one hundred men came to his palace this month and claimed that they saw the Beast, which means the treasury has to pay for another mental asylum because the existing ones are overcrowded. We can go on forever.

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When viewers forget about this fact, strange things will happen. A reasonable helmsman on a starship, who objects to going on a suicide mission, SuicideMission, will be seen as a whiny [[TheScrappy scrappy]], and when TheCaptain is court-martialed CourtMartialed for his decision, viewers won't understand why. For GenreSavvy viewers the captain's plan had a 100% success chance, but for characters it was more like a 99% chance to get their entire crew killed and their ship destroyed. Viewers won't approve the SuperRegistrationAct, but for comic book world bystanders, superheroes are masked armed men with unknown agendas. They don't know what to expect from them, and have all the reasons to be paranoid, especially considering that {{Face Heel Turn}}s are not uncommon for supers. A CowboyCop finally arrests John The Ripper and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique beats him until]] he confesses his crimes, but an AmoralAttorney gets him released. Viewers are infuriated, but nobody in-universe can be sure that the cop caught the right man (unlike us, they didn't [[ReverseWhodunnit see him do it]]), and they can no longer trust any evidence brought in by the arresting officer. Viewers are calling the king of Arcadia TooDumbToLive because he [[CassandraTruth refuses to believe]] that Sir Gabriel actually saw the [[EldritchAbomination Beast From Beyond]], but the king is more concerned that one hundred men came to his palace this month and claimed that they saw the Beast, which means the treasury has to pay for another mental asylum because the existing ones are overcrowded. We can go on forever.



This trope is closely related to LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt; viewers know something is unlikely because it would disrupt the [[StatusQuoIsGod Status Quo]], but for characters in the setting, [[ThisIsReality there's no reason to think this way]]. See also WhatMeasureIsANonBadass, DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater, RootingForTheEmpire, where the audience and characters have completely different values (the audience values [[EvilIsCool coolness]] and badassery, the characters would prefer someone who wouldn't try to kill them). See also DramaticIrony, where this applies to plot rather than values.

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This trope is closely related to LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt; viewers know something is unlikely because it would disrupt the [[StatusQuoIsGod Status Quo]], {{Status Quo|IsGod}}, but for characters in the setting, [[ThisIsReality there's no reason to think this way]]. See also WhatMeasureIsANonBadass, DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater, RootingForTheEmpire, where the audience and characters have completely different values (the audience values [[EvilIsCool coolness]] and badassery, the characters would prefer someone who wouldn't try to kill them). See also DramaticIrony, where this applies to plot rather than values.
22nd Jan '14 6:26:04 AM case
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See also WhatMeasureIsANonBadass, DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater, RootingForTheEmpire, where the audience and characters have completely different values (the audience values [[EvilIsCool coolness]] and badassery, the characters would prefer someone who wouldn't try to kill them). See also DramaticIrony, where this applies to plot rather than values.

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This trope is closely related to LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt; viewers know something is unlikely because it would disrupt the [[StatusQuoIsGod Status Quo]], but for characters in the setting, [[ThisIsReality there's no reason to think this way]]. See also WhatMeasureIsANonBadass, DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater, RootingForTheEmpire, where the audience and characters have completely different values (the audience values [[EvilIsCool coolness]] and badassery, the characters would prefer someone who wouldn't try to kill them). See also DramaticIrony, where this applies to plot rather than values.
2nd Sep '13 7:35:24 PM johnnye
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When viewers forget about this fact, strange things will happen. A reasonable helmsman on a starship, who objects to going on a suicide mission, will be seen as a whiny [[TheScrappy scrappy]], and when TheCaptain is court-martialed for his decision, viewers won't understand why. For GenreSavvy viewers the captain's plan had a 100% success chance, but for characters it was more like a 99% chance to get their entire crew killed and their ship destroyed. Viewers won't approve the SuperRegistrationAct, but for comic book world bystanders, superheroes are masked armed men with unknown agendas. They don't know what to expect from them, and have all the reasons to be paranoid, especially considering that {{Face Heel Turn}}s are not uncommon for supers. A CowboyCop arrests a man and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique beats him until]] he confesses that he is the infamous John the Ripper, but an AmoralAttorney gets him released. Viewers are infuriated, but in RealLife history shows us that a judge-jury-executioner rolled in one person is a recipe for disaster. Viewers are calling the king of Arcadia TooDumbToLive because he [[CassandraTruth refuses to believe]] that Sir Gabriel actually saw the [[EldritchAbomination Beast From Beyond]], but the king is more concerned that one hundred men came to his palace this month and claimed that they saw the Beast, which means the treasury has to pay for another mental asylum because the existing ones are overcrowded. We can go on forever.

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When viewers forget about this fact, strange things will happen. A reasonable helmsman on a starship, who objects to going on a suicide mission, will be seen as a whiny [[TheScrappy scrappy]], and when TheCaptain is court-martialed for his decision, viewers won't understand why. For GenreSavvy viewers the captain's plan had a 100% success chance, but for characters it was more like a 99% chance to get their entire crew killed and their ship destroyed. Viewers won't approve the SuperRegistrationAct, but for comic book world bystanders, superheroes are masked armed men with unknown agendas. They don't know what to expect from them, and have all the reasons to be paranoid, especially considering that {{Face Heel Turn}}s are not uncommon for supers. A CowboyCop finally arrests a man John The Ripper and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique beats him until]] he confesses that he is the infamous John the Ripper, his crimes, but an AmoralAttorney gets him released. Viewers are infuriated, but in RealLife history shows us nobody in-universe can be sure that a judge-jury-executioner rolled the cop caught the right man (unlike us, they didn't [[ReverseWhodunnit see him do it]]), and they can no longer trust any evidence brought in one person is a recipe for disaster.by the arresting officer. Viewers are calling the king of Arcadia TooDumbToLive because he [[CassandraTruth refuses to believe]] that Sir Gabriel actually saw the [[EldritchAbomination Beast From Beyond]], but the king is more concerned that one hundred men came to his palace this month and claimed that they saw the Beast, which means the treasury has to pay for another mental asylum because the existing ones are overcrowded. We can go on forever.
27th Nov '11 10:25:30 AM Abodos
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See also WhatMeasureIsANonBadass, DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater, RootingForTheEmpire, where the audience and characters have completely different values (the audience values [[EvilIsCool coolness]] and badassery, the characters would prefer someone who wouldn't try to kill them). See also DramaticIrony, where this applies to plot rather than values.

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See also WhatMeasureIsANonBadass, DracoInLeatherPants[=/=]RonTheDeathEater, RootingForTheEmpire, where the audience and characters have completely different values (the audience values [[EvilIsCool coolness]] and badassery, the characters would prefer someone who wouldn't try to kill them). See also DramaticIrony, where this applies to plot rather than values.values.
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22nd Nov '11 10:08:35 AM Micah
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How can you tell a BadAss antihero from a violent sociopath? How can you tell TheCassandra from a rambling madman? The answer is: You can't. By observing and interacting with them anyway.

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How can you tell a BadAss antihero from a violent sociopath? How can you tell TheCassandra from a rambling madman? The answer is: You can't. By Not by observing and interacting with them them, anyway.



When viewers forget about this fact, strange things will happen. A reasonable helmsman on a starship, who objects to going on a suicide mission, will be seen as a whiny [[TheScrappy scrappy]], and when TheCaptain is court-martialed for his decision, viewers won't understand why. For GenreSavvy viewers the captain's plan had a 100% success chance, but for characters it was more like a 99% chance to get their entire crew killed and their ship destroyed. Viewers won't approve the SuperRegistrationAct, but for comic book world bystanders, superheroes are masked armed men with unknown agendas. They don't know what to expect from them, and have all the reasons to be paranoid, especially considering that {{Face Heel Turn}}s are not uncommon for supers. A CowboyCop arrests a man and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique beats him until]] he confesses that he is the infamous John the Ripper, but an AmoralAttorney get him released. Viewers are infuriated, but in RealLife history shows us that a judge-jury-executioner rolled in one person is a recipe for disaster. Viewers are calling the king of Arcadia TooDumbToLive because he [[CassandraTruth refuses to believe]] that Sir Gabriel actually saw the [[EldritchAbomination Beast From Beyond]], but the king is more concerned that one hundred men came to his palace this month and claimed that they saw the Beast, which means the treasury has to pay for another mental asylum because the existing ones are overcrowded. We can go on forever.

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When viewers forget about this fact, strange things will happen. A reasonable helmsman on a starship, who objects to going on a suicide mission, will be seen as a whiny [[TheScrappy scrappy]], and when TheCaptain is court-martialed for his decision, viewers won't understand why. For GenreSavvy viewers the captain's plan had a 100% success chance, but for characters it was more like a 99% chance to get their entire crew killed and their ship destroyed. Viewers won't approve the SuperRegistrationAct, but for comic book world bystanders, superheroes are masked armed men with unknown agendas. They don't know what to expect from them, and have all the reasons to be paranoid, especially considering that {{Face Heel Turn}}s are not uncommon for supers. A CowboyCop arrests a man and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique beats him until]] he confesses that he is the infamous John the Ripper, but an AmoralAttorney get gets him released. Viewers are infuriated, but in RealLife history shows us that a judge-jury-executioner rolled in one person is a recipe for disaster. Viewers are calling the king of Arcadia TooDumbToLive because he [[CassandraTruth refuses to believe]] that Sir Gabriel actually saw the [[EldritchAbomination Beast From Beyond]], but the king is more concerned that one hundred men came to his palace this month and claimed that they saw the Beast, which means the treasury has to pay for another mental asylum because the existing ones are overcrowded. We can go on forever.
24th Oct '11 5:55:13 AM Wackd
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The audience knows things that characters don't. They know that the ''USS Enterprise'' won't blow up, or that Spiderman won't become evil, at least not for long. They know what is real and what is not. Characters, however, don't know that. They don't know they are in a story and don't know who the main characters are, even if they are GenreSavvy. Even if they are willing to share their story, they can't always trust each other.

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The audience knows things that characters don't. They know that the ''USS Enterprise'' won't blow up, or that Spiderman SpiderMan won't become evil, at least not for long. They know what is real and what is not. Characters, however, don't know that. They don't know they are in a story and don't know who the main characters are, even if they are GenreSavvy. Even if they are willing to share their story, they can't always trust each other.
19th Oct '11 5:27:03 PM AmbarSonofDeshar
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When viewers forget about this fact, strange things will happen. A reasonable helmsman on a starship, who objects to going on a suicide mission, will be seen as a whiny [[TheScrappy scrappy]], and when TheCaptain is court-martialed for his decision, viewers won't understand why. For GenreSavvy viewers the captain's plan had a 100% success chance, but for characters it was more like a 99% chance to get their entire crew killed and their ship destroyed. Viewers won't approve the SuperRegistrationAct, but for comic book world bystanders, superheroes are masked armed men with unknown agendas. They don't know what to expect from them, and have all the reasons to be paranoid, especially considering that {{Face Heel Turn}}s are not uncommon for supers. A CowboyCop arrests a man and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique beats him until]] he confesses that he is the infamous John the Ripper, but an AmoralAttorney get him released. Viewers are infuriated, but in RealLife history shows us that a judge-jury-executioner rolled in one person is a recipe for disaster. Viewers are calling the king of Arcadia TooDumbToLive because he [[CassandraTruth refuses to believe]] that Sir Gabriel actually saw the [[EldrichAbomination Beast from Beyond]], but the king is more concerned that one hundred men came to his palace this month and claimed that they saw the Beast, which means the treasury has to pay for another mental asylum because the existing ones are overcrowded. We can go on forever.

to:

When viewers forget about this fact, strange things will happen. A reasonable helmsman on a starship, who objects to going on a suicide mission, will be seen as a whiny [[TheScrappy scrappy]], and when TheCaptain is court-martialed for his decision, viewers won't understand why. For GenreSavvy viewers the captain's plan had a 100% success chance, but for characters it was more like a 99% chance to get their entire crew killed and their ship destroyed. Viewers won't approve the SuperRegistrationAct, but for comic book world bystanders, superheroes are masked armed men with unknown agendas. They don't know what to expect from them, and have all the reasons to be paranoid, especially considering that {{Face Heel Turn}}s are not uncommon for supers. A CowboyCop arrests a man and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique beats him until]] he confesses that he is the infamous John the Ripper, but an AmoralAttorney get him released. Viewers are infuriated, but in RealLife history shows us that a judge-jury-executioner rolled in one person is a recipe for disaster. Viewers are calling the king of Arcadia TooDumbToLive because he [[CassandraTruth refuses to believe]] that Sir Gabriel actually saw the [[EldrichAbomination [[EldritchAbomination Beast from From Beyond]], but the king is more concerned that one hundred men came to his palace this month and claimed that they saw the Beast, which means the treasury has to pay for another mental asylum because the existing ones are overcrowded. We can go on forever.
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