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1	->''"If my theory of relativity is proven successful, Germany will claim me as a German and France will declare that I am a citizen of the world. Should my theory prove untrue, France will say that I am a German and Germany will declare that I am a Jew."''
2	-->-- '''UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein''' addressing the French Philosophical Society
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4	Bob was really popular in life, or became popular by how he died. Maybe he was a hero, great leader or philosopher, or maybe he was just a really nice guy.
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6	After his death, some group he never belonged to - and did not sympathize with - claims him as one of their own. A kind of in-story "MisaimedFandom", if you will. They are bragging about how he was truly one of them, and use his name to encourage others to join them. He's probably spinning in his grave!
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8	In less blatant cases, they are merely [[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead showing him "respect"]] by politely editing out any unpopular or "inappropriate" thoughts, feelings & loyalties he might have had.
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10	In some cases, the poor guy doesn't even deserve his good reputation: The same group who made up his loyalty to them also made up his good deeds. Good in ''their'' eyes, that is - his alleged deeds may or may not go against what he believed in. In either case, him being dead means he can't be there to contradict their version of how he lived, how he died, and what he believed in. In extra cynical cases, the group actually had him killed for this very reason!
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12	However, giving your own real followers an undeserved good reputation is generally not covered by this trope.
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14	%%Compare and contrast PostMortemCloset, where the character is merely made more "normal" and average.
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16	Compare InTheOriginalKlingon, HistoricalHeroUpgrade.
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24	* In the backstory of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', only one person truly knows what the last words of Spacenoid political leader Zeon Deikun really were, as they were whispered into the ear of his protege Degwin Zabi. Degwin claimed that it was a statement that he should take over leadership of Zeon's political movement, and is able to successfully sell that story to the public as a whole. Degwin's rival Jimba Ral always believed (and eventually talked Zeon's son Casval, who would later be known as Char Aznable, into believing) that what Zeon really said was something on the order of "I know you were the one who poisoned me".
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28	* At the end of ''ComicBook/JudgeDredd: Origins'', with his last breath, [[spoiler:Fargo despairs at what has become of America and urges Dredd to restore freedom and democracy. In order to maintain order, Dredd tells the few others who know of Fargo's true fate that the old man was pleased that the [[PoliceState Judges now ran America]].]]
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32	* In ''Film/WagTheDog'', the propaganda spin-doctors turns a mentally ill rapist into a faked war-hero. When they can't control him, they get him killed. This is a huge improvement for them, since his corpse is easy to control. [[ShamCeremony Public burial of the "hero" ensues]].
33	* The premise of ''Film/WorldsGreatestDad'' is a father recasting his worthless son [[spoiler:as a tragic idol after he dies from AutoeroticAsphyxiation.]]
34	* In the Serbian film ''Film/TheUnderground'', a gun-runner during World War 2 becomes a powerful man in the Communist Yugoslavian government by paying poetic tribute to the martyrdom of his former partner Blacky. In reality, they were only in the resistance for the money, their legendary fight with Nazis was over a girl, and Blacky is still alive.
35	* In ''Just a Gigolo'', which is set in post-WWI Berlin, [[spoiler: Paul, the protagonist]] gets a post-mortem conversion [[spoiler: into the fledgling Nazi party, which had earlier tried and failed to recruit him]] when he's accidentally killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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39	* ''Poor Richard's Almanac'' by Benjamin Franklin sarcastically portrays this with the quote "Seven wealthy towns contend for Homer dead, Through which the living Homer begged his bread."
40	* In ''Literature/TheLostFleet'', various individuals in the Alliance have been in the habit of using the long dead war hero "Black Jack" Geary for this to drum up approval for their proposals. Then John Geary's cryo escape pod is found, he's thawed out, and it turns out that he's nothing like how the propagandists have painted him for the past century.
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44	* Deconstructed in the ''Series/MastersOfHorror'' episode "Homecoming". The InvisiblePresident makes [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor a wish]] in one of his speeches to the nation, wishing for the dead American soldiers of the Iraq war to come back and express how they feel, implying that they would all support him. Cue the zombies! The dead soldiers are coming back, [[spoiler:but they are not here to eat brains. Instead, they are here to vote... for the other guy!]]
45	* In a season two episode of ''Series/BabylonFive'', Londo claims that the whispered last words of the Emperor of the Centauri were a statement of approval for a military victory (In a totally unprovoked attack on a foreign power that the Emperor was trying to end his nation's diplomatic tensions with) and a request that Mollari and Lord Refa return the Republic to its GloryDays. Right after Mollari and Refa leave [=MedLab=], they have a brief conversation.
46	-->'''Refa:''' Out of curiosity, Mollari, what did the old man ''really'' say?\
47	'''Mollari:''' You are both damned.
48	* In Season One of ''Series/TheLastKingdom'', Prince [=Æthelwold=] tries to claim that his father named him, not Alfred, as heir on his deathbed. Unfortunately, he tries this with nobles who were at the king's deathbed and knew that not only had he done no such thing, Prince [=Æthelwold=] wasn't even there.
49	* ''Series/MillionYenWomen'' involves a rivalry between the protagonist Shin and Yuzu, the best-selling author of their common publishing house. The plot of the series causes Shin to be living with a celebrity that Yuzu wants to be better acquainted with, to the point of eventually asking her out to a private dinner. During that dinner, the celebrity tells Yuzu that she likes Shin's work better than his. She's found dead the next morning. Some time after that, Yuzu claims she called ''him'' the better author during their dinner.
50	* Series/KamenRiderGaim has, in the web-movies of the Gaim Gaiden series, a guy named Shura. He used to be on Zack's dance team before [[TheRival Kaito]] [[SocialDarwinist Kumon]] took over. Several years later, after [[spoiler:Kaito dies]], Shura takes over the dance team, Team Baron, and turns it into a wrestle-to-the-death, terrorist group who would use small bombs to become suicide bombers. And they did this in the belief that this was something that Kaito would want. Surprise, surprise- Kaito was nowhere near that type of thing. He was an ''Antisocial Darwinist'' who wanted to create a world where the weak wouldn't be oppressed and the strong wouldn't abuse ther power. So of course Shura had to be stopped.
51	* In ''Series/TheExpanse'', while the death of Miller in Season 2 is quite a noble and HeroicSacrifice, he is also upgraded to being a hero of the Belt and Belters, when during his life he would have been (and often was) sneered at as a CategoryTraitor to the Belt due to having been a DirtyCop who worked for a LawEnforcementInc company from Earth, who were seen as repressing Belters. The [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters OPA]] in particular is happy to adopt him as a hero, despite the fact that mere weeks earlier Anderson Dawes, one of the most powerful OPA leaders [[ColonizedSolarSystem in the solar system]] had tried to murder Miller because Miller was insisting on going ahead with an investigation that was awkward for Dawes.
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55	''Theatre/{{Heathers}}'': In "Me Inside of Me", J.D. and Veronica cover up their (not so) accidental killing of Heather Chandler by writing a fake suicide note claiming she was a broken soul. Heather's [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane ghost[=/=]hallucination]] is ecstatic to have gotten more popularity in death than life.
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59	* In the backstory of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'', Yuna's father Braska was a rebel who questioned authority and reached out in peace to the Al-Bhed, a people that the theocratic CorruptChurch he belonged to liked to use as a all-purpose scapegoat, and was cast out of the clergy as a result. When Braska set out on his journey to defeat the EldritchAbomination Sin, he mused on what a delightful irony it would be if he, Auron (then a warrior-priest in disgrace for political reasons) and Jecht (seemingly a mad, drunk heretic) were the ones to defeat Sin and bring a period of peace to Spira. Fast forward to the present, and the Church of Yevon has proclaimed Braska a champion of the Church and a model to be emulated by the faithful, all while never mentioning the way he challenged the Church's corrupt dogma or that the Church kicked him out when he was alive. There's even a short scene where Auron stands before a statue of Braska in a temple and indirectly comments on the irony.
60	* Slightly played with in ''VideoGame/LastScenario'', where Alexander, one of the renowned heroes of the previous age, has a tomb erected in his honor in the Empire's capital city (the Empire being the faction Alexander was fighting AGAINST) [[spoiler: for an unjust war which he had turned his back on. There is however a kicker. The tomb is a fake that doesn't even have his body. That is because he was up to that point still alive, although due to being held hostage in a scientist military facility and having his memories mostly sapped by the setting's magical rocks biorites, he still fit the trope as he is generally unable to contest the falsehoods that his name was being used for.]]
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64	* Done quite literally in ''WebAnimation/TheSagaOfBiorn'', which ends with [[spoiler:the title character being posthumously converted from Asatru to Christianity by being buried in hallowed ground by some nuns he rescued (as a side effect of his whole '[[HonorableWarriorsDeath die in combat]] to reach WarriorHeaven' faith). Being sent to a [[HellOfAHeaven Heaven that resembles his own faith's Helheim doesn't please his spirit much.]]]]
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68	* ''Webcomic/HarkAVagrant'' had a [[http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=204 comic]] poking fun at the myth that UsefulNotes/CharlesDarwin recanted his theories on his deathbed.
69	* In ''Webcomic/{{Drowtales}}'', [[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?sid=9897 Quaintana lampshades the depths this trope can sink]]; Sharess, the mortal queen of the Dark Elves, led her people during the apocalypse and sacrificed herself to the legions of Hell to buy them time. Instead of being respected as a heroine, the Sharen spun a propaganda story about her transformation into the goddess of the Drow, and used their new status as relatives of a god to create a caste system that gave one Dark Elf absolute and uncontested control over an empire. Quaintana decides to destroy all statues of Sharess, so the people can stop groveling and learn to be heroes on their own.
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73	* ''WesternAnimation/TheBoondocks'': [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Ed Wuncler's]] scheme in "It's Goin' Down" was to kill an extremely [[{{Jerkass}} ornery]] security guard, claim he was a hero who was martyred fighting terrorists, and profit from his death with a massive media franchise.
74	* The stonecutters from ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' claim that (among others) the signers of The Declaration of Independence [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg (and Washington)]] were Stonecutters, according to their Secret World History (this is a reference to the RealLife membership of many, including Washington, in the Freemasons, which the stonecutters are a thinly-veiled parody of).
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78	* Creator/FriedrichNietzsche despised anti-Semitism, nationalism, and (towards the end of his life) Germany (he took to insisting that he was ''Polish'', which is as false--perhaps [[TheGadfly intentionally so]]--as it is hilarious). His ''{{Ubermensch}}'' theory - a term co-opted by the Nazis - was used to describe remarkable individuals finding their own morality in the absence of God. It had nothing to do with a MasterRace taking over the world, which is an inherently collectivist concept. It is therefore quite natural that ThoseWackyNazis appropriated his notes - heavily edited by his proto-Nazi sister - to make it seem like they had an intellectual program besides hating the Jews ([[LongList and the Roma, and the Poles, and the Russians, and...]]). Unfortunately for the world, [[UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker Martin Heidegger]], a student of Nietzsche's thought, believed them....
79	* Any well-known dead political figure qualifies. It's always been a staple of politics and it's taken to ridiculous extents these days: "This is my new proposal... and I'm telling you right now, George Washington would have loved it!" Or the opposite, where some dead public figure is allegedly spinning around in their grave because of something that's happening in the present... with the inevitable following joke being that all those spinning corpses could power entire cities.
80	* In 1995, when Butterfly [=McQueen=] -- Prissy in ''Film/GoneWithTheWind'' -- died in a house fire, a [[TheFundamentalist fundamentalist]] neighbor who had proselytized [=McQueen=] (a lifelong atheist) several times reported to the press that as [=McQueen=] was being carried out, she said she was repenting and claiming that she was really a Christian all the time. Other witnesses disputed this claim.
81	* Darwin's writings (and later additions) were used during his lifetime and after his death to justify social Darwinism and eugenics. He disapproved of and fought against both. Not to mention the completely false story that he recanted his theory of evolution on his deathbed, along with accepting Christ (he was raised Christian, but died an agnostic), which is an odd type of AppealToAuthority. Scientific theories have ontological inertia (at least for a while); they aren't disproven because one scientist does an about-face, but because a broad consensus of scientists start accepting a better theory.
82	* At least twice, a Pope has had his predecessor dug up, put on trial, and convicted of heresy. And possibly tortured for good measure. If memory serves, it was quite karmic, since the first one to do it was himself put on post-mortem trial by HIS successor...
83	* King Charles II of Great Britain had the body of Oliver Cromwell, who had presided over his father's execution, dug up, tried, and beheaded.
84	* Pat Tillman by the Bush administration (via cover up) and right-wing politicians during an election year. As detailed in the book "Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman" by Jon Krakauer and the documentary "The Tillman Story" by Amir Bar Lev. Quoted from the AV Club review of the film:
85	-->people on both the left and the right (but mostly the right) have tried to project their own beliefs onto a man who kept his close to the vest... After John [=McCain=] and other political and military leaders spoke about Pat being in "a better place" the younger Tillman [Pat's brother] took the stage with a pint of ale, thanked everyone for coming, then said, "By the way, Pat isn't with God, he's fuckin' dead. He wasn't religious." -- http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-tillman-story,44352/
86	* During the UsefulNotes/SecondWorldWar Stalin, for propaganda reasons, admitted [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Nevsky Alexander Nevsky]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin]] into the Communist Party.
87	* The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, aka the Mormons, perform baptism for deceased people not of their faith. They see it as providing a favor for people who didn't have the opportunity to be baptised in life. Critics say the practice is disrespectful and amounts to trying literal post-mortem conversion.
88	** For what it's worth, the Church teaches that the deceased persons have to choose to accept that post-mortem baptism for it to have any effect on the deceased, who is being given the opportunity to make that choice.
89	* Creator/GeorgeOrwell. Hoo boy. Since his death in 1950, many people from Right to Left have claimed that 'if Orwell was alive now, he would have been on our side', often [[QuoteMine selectively quoting]] him in the process. Orwell particularly attracts Post Mortem Conversions for two reasons. Firstly, he's a vulnerable target, because his own views were quite complex and often seemingly contradictory (for example, he was a revolutionary Socialist but took a deeply conservative stance on many cultural issues--recall that bit in ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' about pints vs. half-litres of beer[[note]]Never mind that a pint and half a litre are almost the same thing: Orwell's preferred Imperial pints are 68 mL more (a double-shot) and American pints are 27 mL less (one shot) than half a litre.[[/note]]) - a point which he [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by calling himself a "Tory anarchist". He also wasn't above sharply criticising some of the more extremist elements in his own political camp; ''Literature/AnimalFarm'' in particular contains a very unsubtle NoCelebritiesWereHarmed caricature of UsefulNotes/JosephStalin in Napoleon. And secondly, he is a ''heavily'' idolised figure who is almost universally held up as a shining example of BrutalHonesty, making it very attractive to try and Post Mortem Convert him to one's cause.
90	* Conservapedia is among the many who Post Mortem Convert George Orwell; they have also recently recast UsefulNotes/MartinLutherKingJr, another socialist. They also appropriate ''all'' of America's Founding Fathers (presumably including even Creator/ThomasPaine, who could be plausibly claimed as a liberal, or better yet, a radical).[[note]]Conservapedia (and contemporary American culture more generally) defines “liberal” in such a way as to include radicals, at least those radicals who support free and fair elections and universal human rights, anyway. This is different from how the rest of the world uses the terms.[[/note]] The noted Progressive reformer UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt as well.
91	* Interestingly, Conservapedia does ''not'' give this treatment to Creator/AynRand, and in fact seems to loathe her, even as many conservatives have co-opted her philosophy since her death in 1982. Ironic for a woman who, for a while at least, was popular with the 1960s counterculture.
92	* The Pilgrims are often said to support X or Y when in actuality they'd probably be disgusted about it. As an example, Religious Freedom; the Puritans discriminated against non-Puritans for years.
93	* Dante Alighieri was born in Florence, and participated in a civil war. After that, he was exiled with a lot of the loser faction. Dante became Florence's ButtMonkey ([[NeverAcceptedInHisHometown when his natal city declared an amnesty for all the exiled politicians, he was the only one not included]]). He begged all his life to return to Florence, but he never could. He died in Ravenna in 1321. When they realized Dante was [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative the greatest modern Italian poet]], Florence came to regret Dante's exile, and made repeated requests for the return of his remains. The custodians of the body at Ravenna refused to comply, at one point going so far as to conceal the bones in a false wall of the monastery. Nevertheless, in 1829, a tomb was built for him in Florence in the basilica of Santa Croce. That tomb has been empty ever since, with Dante's body remaining in Ravenna, far from the city he loved so dearly.
94	* Casey Sheehan by his mother and virtually the entire anti-war (and anti-capitalist) movement. The younger Sheehan volunteered to serve in the military and fight in Iraq. After he died, his mother began to use him as a symbol for struggle against the [[UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush Bush Administration]], (as well as for socialist principles) all the while claiming this is what he would have wanted, though his service record would suggest otherwise.
95	* UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler is an almost universal inversion in that ''nobody'' wants him on their side. Whenever his beliefs are discussed outside of [[ThoseWackyNazis neo-nazi circles]] they never coincide with the beliefs of the speaker, [[GodwinsLaw and usually do coincide with those of the speaker's opponent]]. He is alternately labelled a left- or right-winger [[note]]Hitler's brand of Facism is generally accepted to be an extreme right-wing philosophy for its dependence on nationalism and militarism, though it draws from both ends of the spectrum and there are arguments to be made that it is ''neither'' right nor left wing.[[/note]]; a Christian, an atheist, an agnostic, or a pagan [[note]]Website/TheOtherWiki has [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler an entire article]] on this one.[[/note]]; for or against gun rights [[note]]Generally for - Hitler was a fan of the Swiss model of gun ownership and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany#Gun_regulation_of_the_Third_Reich loosened gun laws considerably]] for everyone except the Jews.[[/note]]; so on and so forth. HitlerAteSugar is this phenomenon in trope form.
96	* Whenever someone invents something spectacular, does something heroic, or is responsible for something horrendous, count on their nationality becoming a hotly-debated topic. For instance:
97	** Was UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte French or Italian? [[note]]He was born to a native family on Corsica, which was culturally Italian but had recently been annexed by France, and was active in both countries during his lifetime.[[/note]]
98	** Was UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler German or Austrian? [[note]]He was born in Austria and moved to Germany when he was three before moving back. He always identifies more as a German. Ethnically this was the case and he later of course embraced pan-German nationalism. After he was rejected for duty in the Austrian Army due to medical unfitness, Hitled joined the German Army. He never looked back, residing in Germany the rest of his life, later annexing his native country within it.[[/note]]
99	** Was Alexander Graham Bell (and his various inventions) Canadian, American, or Scottish? [[note]]Born in Scotland, moved to Canada at age 23, but his most famous experiments and the development of the telephone took place on both sides of the Canadian/American border (primarily in Boston and Brantford).[[/note]]
100	** Is basketball a Canadian or American creation? [[note]]It was created by James Naismith, a Canadian who developed the game while working in the US.[[/note]]
101	* Humorist Creator/AmbroseBierce famously accused the Freemasons of achieving great antiquity by "cleverly recruiting the dead."
102	* Music/JustinBieber caused quite a bit of controversy by declaring that Anne Frank "Hopefully would have been a Belieber."
103	* The 1825 Schlegel & Tieck translation of Creator/WilliamShakespeare was so crucial to the development of the standardizing German language, that the Bard was often claimed as a founding poet of Germany ... and even as a literal German.
104	* The infamous "Lost Cause Myth" often lionized Confederate generals as brave men resisting "Northern Aggression". However, Robert E. Lee, himself the most lionized man of all, opposed Confederate revivalism since he felt it would prevent the wounds of the American Civil War from healing.
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