Line #20 Fridge/GodsNotDead


1	!!FridgeBrilliance:
2	* The Cantonese-speaking father and the Mandarin-speaking son present an apt metaphor for familial estrangement... If this was intentional.
3	* Mark Shelley's dumping of Amy after she reveals she has cancer is cast in a new light when we find out his mother has dementia. He could have been trying to cut ties with her before having to see her suffer like his mother did. It doesn't make him less of a jerk, but it does add context to his actions. Although like the example above, it probably wasn't intentional.
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5	!!FridgeLogic:
6	* How was it an atheist professor would state God is dead in the first place when that acknowledges that God must have existed as well as not be able to counter any of the very flawed logic that Josh used to defend his statement that any atheist could have? Because it turns out he wasn't an atheist, just an angry Christian.
7	** Because "God is dead" is a metaphor, not a literal claim, as he himself explains. However, they then undermine this with him becoming a NayTheist.
8	* Ayisha's father is so conservative he demands that she wear a niqab, but he's okay with her being in a top that shows not only her arms (conservative Muslims believe they should be covered up to the wrists) but also her cleavage? Yeah, right.
9	** They didn’t do their research, if they did likely she’d likely wear conservative clothes to please her father while taking off her niqab at school because it wasn’t her thing emotionally, also Christians don’t usually wear them.
10	* Would a Muslim boy like Ayisha's little brother even recognize the word "Corinthians" as part of The Bible and snitch to their father?
11	** Ayisha's brother may not have known the passage, but he probably would've known what Jesus looked like. The great big picture of Jesus in full prayer-mode coupled with his sister's demands not to tell their father probably caused him to put two and two together.
12	* Why would a random girl go up to Ayisha and spout "you're beautiful" completely out of nowhere simply because she took off her niqab?
13	** Because non-Muslims tend to notice this (it's pretty unusual) and some feel women shouldn't cover their good looks (of course Muslims who do this think they should to not make them a sex object-{{values dissonance}} at work).
14	** I was talking about it is so random and out of the blue for a stranger to go up and say this.
15	** Well that fits with how unsubtle the film is overall.
16	* How was Ayisha able to attend the concert at the end of the movie? She was thrown out of her house with literally only the clothes on her back.
17	** Perhaps the pastor helped her out? Or she found some place to stay.
18	* Going further on the Ayisha issue, she was listening to an audio-book of the Bible. A person can read, listen to, or watch something religious-themed without subscribing to said religion. Plus, while she might refuse to outright lie, there's the fact she's attending a college that is established to offer philosophy classes. It's possible it offers theological classes, too. So, a college student is listening to an audio-book of a religious text. Yes, she could be a Christian, or she could be doing an assignment for a class or just be a bookworm who has an interest in theology. Maybe she has a female Christian friend she gave a copy of the Quran to with the agreement she'd study the Bible if her friend would do likewise with the Quran. Until she actually says she's a Christian, for all her dad knows, she could doing a compare-and-contrast report about Islam vs. Christianity with a bias towards the former. Her dad is obviously not meant to be a rational character, but I've known some religiously conservative parents, and most of them, if they caught their kid consuming something they (the parents) disapproved of, they might be angry, but they'd also ask why the kid was doing it, and if the kid was savvy enough to say the right thing or the parents weren't completely abusive or a combination, the exchange wouldn't end in the kid being thrown out. Then again, I've also known conservatively religious parents who take the view, 'My kid has to find their own path in life, and even if I don't agree with it, I will still love them and focus on all the positive qualities they possess and try my best to support them.'
19	** Muslims consider the Gospels holy writ too (though lesser than the Quran of course) although they believe they're distorted with false stories (that Jesus was divine, mostly). So merely reading it would not be an offense. Certainly she could just claim to be interested (as was of course [[ExactWords technically true]]) for whatever reasons. Of course it's a strawman, and so no rational scenario will occur.
20	* Josh's ArmorPiercingQuestion to Radisson ("How can you hate something that doesn't exist?") doesn't really prove the existence of God or even make any sense, as people have been perfectly capable of hating fictional characters.
21	** So, basically, we're NOT "supposed" to hate [[Franchise/StarWars Jar Jar Binks]] or [[Franchise/ScoobyDoo Scrappy Doo]] just because '''''they''''' don't exist? Really, Josh?
22	** Some of the reasons many atheists dedicate so much time to discussing religion is that many of them grew up in religious settings and had to deal with criticisms when they decide to stop following them, don't want to be subjected to the same rules Christians follow (think someone who was never a Christian not being able to save sex before marriage before it was made illegal for religious reasons), had to deal with religious people weaponizing their faith for their hate (take the LGBTQA+ community as an example), or doesn't believe a loving God would allow their suffering (similar to Radisson). While there are atheists who genuinely hate religion and disses it as much as possible, they are a VocalMinority.
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24	!!FridgeHorror:
25	* Compare the way non-Christians are portrayed in this movie to the way Blacks are portrayed in ''Film/TheBirthOfANation1915''. Compare how the majority (Christians/Whites) are portrayed in both films. Compare both films in general. Now widen eyes.
26	* The thought of Josh himself wanting to become a lawyer is terrifying. Considering his attitudes and beliefs you know that he would be biased in court. Imagine what would happen if he was against a gay couple...
27	** From what I read about the third movie he’s decided to become a pastor… Wait that’s still horrifying.
28	* As cruel as Ayisha's fate was in the end, it's actually merciful compared to what most ex-Muslims have to suffer. The punishment for apostatizing from Islam is death, and this is still carried out in almost all Muslim countries.
29	* Mina's all happy and jamming at the concert. She doesn't know she's going to be attending Radisson's funeral soon.
30	** If indeed she is going to mourn Radisson's tragic death, what really matters is that now Radisson is happy in heaven.
31	* Josh as a person demonstrates a shocking lack of compassion and empathy for anyone who disagrees with his point of view, to the point where any normal person would start to wonder [[VillainProtagonist if this is someone we should even be rooting for.]] He breaks up with his girlfriend of six years (after she turned down offers at other colleges just to stay with him) just because she didn’t want him to debate the professor (which she was completely right about, the only thing the debates accomplished was wasting the other students’ time). Obviously whatever they had didn’t mean that much to him if one argument was enough for him to walk away. As for the professor, Josh openly insults him several times, all but telling him that he is not capable of being a good person without God. He then takes advantage of deeply personal information that the professor told him in private to land a cheap shot in their debate, not caring that it’s going to traumatize and publicly humiliate him. Overall, Josh demonstrates a disturbing level of narcissism and arrogance, willing to go to any lengths just to “win” the debate. For someone who claims repeatedly that all morality and love come from God, Josh is a pretty awful ambassador of his faith.

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