History YMMV / Zorro

4th Mar '17 4:28:34 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''Film/TheLegendOfZorro'' received a pretty big backlash from fans for two big reasons. First, there was the fact that Elena had divorced him and then proceeded to treat him horribly throughout the first half of the film. Second, Don Alejandro had a son who acted as his sidekick but many fans saw him as being an annoying [[TheScrappy Scrappy]]. In actuality, this wasn't [[FranchiseOriginalSin the first time a Zorro story had these two elements]]. The 1996 anime ''Anime/KaiketsuZorro'' featured a Zorro who had both a love interest, Lolita, who treated him badly for almost the entire series and a boy sidekick, Bernardo/Little Zorro, who accompanied and helped him in almost every episode. In the case of the Lolita/Elena comparison, it should be noted that Lolita treated Zorro in his Don Diego civilian persona far worse than Elena did with Don Alejandro in ''Legend of Zorro'', constantly belittling and making fun of Diego for allegedly being lazy and cowardly and at one point giving Diego a black eye for supposedly not coming to her rescue (even though he DID as Zorro). It wasn't until the very end of the series that Lolita finally warmed up to Diego and began treating him as a real romantic prospect, whereas Elena only divorced Alejandro because she had been blackmailed by Pinkerton agents into doing so(as opposed to Lolita who treated Diego badly of her own free will), otherwise they would have released Zorro's identity and put her family's lives in jeopardy. While ''Anime/KaiketsuZorro'' is far more obscure and less well known than ''The Legend of Zorro'', it's pretty safe to say that the anime gets nowhere near the amount of hatred that the live action Banderas-verse sequel does, despite sharing what was fundamentally a very similar storyline premise.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''Film/TheLegendOfZorro'' received a pretty big backlash from fans for two big reasons. First, there was the fact that Elena had divorced him and then proceeded to treat him horribly throughout the first half of the film. Second, Don Alejandro had a son who acted as his sidekick but many fans saw him as being an annoying [[TheScrappy Scrappy]]. In actuality, this wasn't [[FranchiseOriginalSin the first time a Zorro story had these two elements]]. The 1996 anime ''Anime/KaiketsuZorro'' featured a Zorro who had both a love interest, Lolita, who treated him badly for almost the entire series and a boy sidekick, Bernardo/Little Zorro, who accompanied and helped him in almost every episode. In the case of the Lolita/Elena comparison, it should be noted that Lolita treated Zorro in his Don Diego civilian persona far worse than Elena did with Don Alejandro in ''Legend of Zorro'', constantly belittling and making fun of Diego for allegedly being lazy and cowardly and at one point giving Diego a black eye for supposedly not coming to her rescue (even though he DID as Zorro). It wasn't until the very end of the series that Lolita finally warmed up to Diego and began treating him as a real romantic prospect, whereas Elena only divorced Alejandro because she had been blackmailed by Pinkerton agents into doing so(as so (as opposed to Lolita who treated Diego badly of her own free will), otherwise they would have released Zorro's identity and put her family's lives in jeopardy. While ''Anime/KaiketsuZorro'' is far more obscure and less well known than ''The Legend of Zorro'', it's pretty safe to say that the anime gets nowhere near the amount of hatred that the live action Banderas-verse sequel does, despite sharing what was fundamentally a very similar storyline premise.
29th Nov '16 10:32:02 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Let's face it, most of you have seen the movies, not the original stories. In a more direct example, in the first book, Zorro wore a sombrero and full-face mask. But [=McCulley=] liked the flat Andalusian hat and half-mask Douglas Fairbanks wore in the movie so much that he wrote that costume into all the later stories.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: Let's face it, most of you have seen the movies, not the original stories. In a more direct example, in the first book, Zorro wore a sombrero and full-face mask. But [=McCulley=] liked the flat Andalusian hat and half-mask Douglas Fairbanks Creator/DouglasFairbanks wore in the movie so much that he wrote that costume into all the later stories.
18th Nov '16 3:37:21 AM jormis29
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''Film/TheLegendOfZorro'' received a pretty big backlash from fans for two big reasons. First, there was the fact that Elena had divorced him and then proceeded to treat him horribly throughout the first half of the film. Second, Don Alejandro had a son who acted as his sidekick but many fans saw him as being an annoying [[TheScrappy Scrappy]]. In actuality, this wasn't [[FranchiseOriginalSin the first time a Zorro story had these two elements]]. The 1996 anime ''Anime/KaiketsuZorro'' featured a Zorro who had both a love interest, Lolita, who treated him badly for almost the entire series and a boy sidekick, Bernardo/Little Zorro, who accompanied and helped him in almost every episode. In the case of the Lolita/Elena comparison, it should be noted that Lolita treated Zorro in his Don Diego civilian persona far worse than Elena did with Don Alejandro in Legend of Zorro, constantly belittling and making fun of Diego for allegedly being lazy and cowardly and at one point giving Diego a black eye for supposedly not coming to her rescue(even though he DID as Zorro). It wasn't until the very end of the series that Lolita finally warmed up to Diego and began treating him as a real romantic prospect, whereas Elena only divorced Alejandro because she had been blackmailed by Pinkerton agents into doing so(as opposed to Lolita who treated Diego badly of her own free will), otherwise they would have released Zorro's identity and put her family's lives in jeopardy. While ''Anime/KaiketsuZorro;; is far more obscure and less well known than The Legend of Zorro, it's pretty safe to say that the anime gets nowhere near the amount of hatred that the live action Banderas-verse sequel does, despite sharing what was fundamentally a very similar storyline premise.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''Film/TheLegendOfZorro'' received a pretty big backlash from fans for two big reasons. First, there was the fact that Elena had divorced him and then proceeded to treat him horribly throughout the first half of the film. Second, Don Alejandro had a son who acted as his sidekick but many fans saw him as being an annoying [[TheScrappy Scrappy]]. In actuality, this wasn't [[FranchiseOriginalSin the first time a Zorro story had these two elements]]. The 1996 anime ''Anime/KaiketsuZorro'' featured a Zorro who had both a love interest, Lolita, who treated him badly for almost the entire series and a boy sidekick, Bernardo/Little Zorro, who accompanied and helped him in almost every episode. In the case of the Lolita/Elena comparison, it should be noted that Lolita treated Zorro in his Don Diego civilian persona far worse than Elena did with Don Alejandro in Legend ''Legend of Zorro, Zorro'', constantly belittling and making fun of Diego for allegedly being lazy and cowardly and at one point giving Diego a black eye for supposedly not coming to her rescue(even rescue (even though he DID as Zorro). It wasn't until the very end of the series that Lolita finally warmed up to Diego and began treating him as a real romantic prospect, whereas Elena only divorced Alejandro because she had been blackmailed by Pinkerton agents into doing so(as opposed to Lolita who treated Diego badly of her own free will), otherwise they would have released Zorro's identity and put her family's lives in jeopardy. While ''Anime/KaiketsuZorro;; ''Anime/KaiketsuZorro'' is far more obscure and less well known than The ''The Legend of Zorro, Zorro'', it's pretty safe to say that the anime gets nowhere near the amount of hatred that the live action Banderas-verse sequel does, despite sharing what was fundamentally a very similar storyline premise.
18th Nov '16 3:36:04 AM jormis29
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* OlderThanTheyThink: The Legend of Zorro received a pretty big backlash from fans for two big reasons. First, there was the fact that Elena had divorced him and then proceeded to treat him horribly throughout the first half of the film. Second, Don Alejandro had a son who acted as his sidekick but many fans saw him as being an annoying [[TheScrappy Scrappy]]. In actuality, this wasn't [[FranchiseOriginalSin the first time a Zorro story had these two elements]]. The 1996 anime Kaiketsu Zorro featured a Zorro who had both a love interest, Lolita, who treated him badly for almost the entire series and a boy sidekick, Bernardo/Little Zorro, who accompanied and helped him in almost every episode. In the case of the Lolita/Elena comparison, it should be noted that Lolita treated Zorro in his Don Diego civilian persona far worse than Elena did with Don Alejandro in Legend of Zorro, constantly belittling and making fun of Diego for allegedly being lazy and cowardly and at one point giving Diego a black eye for supposedly not coming to her rescue(even though he DID as Zorro). It wasn't until the very end of the series that Lolita finally warmed up to Diego and began treating him as a real romantic prospect, whereas Elena only divorced Alejandro because she had been blackmailed by Pinkerton agents into doing so(as opposed to Lolita who treated Diego badly of her own free will), otherwise they would have released Zorro's identity and put her family's lives in jeopardy. While Kaiketsu Zorro is far more obscure and less well known than The Legend of Zorro, it's pretty safe to say that the anime gets nowhere near the amount of hatred that the live action Banderas-verse sequel does, despite sharing what was fundamentally a very similar storyline premise.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: The Legend of Zorro ''Film/TheLegendOfZorro'' received a pretty big backlash from fans for two big reasons. First, there was the fact that Elena had divorced him and then proceeded to treat him horribly throughout the first half of the film. Second, Don Alejandro had a son who acted as his sidekick but many fans saw him as being an annoying [[TheScrappy Scrappy]]. In actuality, this wasn't [[FranchiseOriginalSin the first time a Zorro story had these two elements]]. The 1996 anime Kaiketsu Zorro ''Anime/KaiketsuZorro'' featured a Zorro who had both a love interest, Lolita, who treated him badly for almost the entire series and a boy sidekick, Bernardo/Little Zorro, who accompanied and helped him in almost every episode. In the case of the Lolita/Elena comparison, it should be noted that Lolita treated Zorro in his Don Diego civilian persona far worse than Elena did with Don Alejandro in Legend of Zorro, constantly belittling and making fun of Diego for allegedly being lazy and cowardly and at one point giving Diego a black eye for supposedly not coming to her rescue(even though he DID as Zorro). It wasn't until the very end of the series that Lolita finally warmed up to Diego and began treating him as a real romantic prospect, whereas Elena only divorced Alejandro because she had been blackmailed by Pinkerton agents into doing so(as opposed to Lolita who treated Diego badly of her own free will), otherwise they would have released Zorro's identity and put her family's lives in jeopardy. While Kaiketsu Zorro ''Anime/KaiketsuZorro;; is far more obscure and less well known than The Legend of Zorro, it's pretty safe to say that the anime gets nowhere near the amount of hatred that the live action Banderas-verse sequel does, despite sharing what was fundamentally a very similar storyline premise.
18th Sep '15 7:58:47 PM overman2099
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* OlderThanTheyThink: The Legend of Zorro received a pretty big backlash from fans for two big reasons. First, there was the fact that Elena had divorced him and then proceeded to treat him horribly throughout the first half of the film. Second, Don Alejandro had a son who acted as his sidekick but many fans saw him as being an annoying [[TheScrappy Scrappy]]. In actuality, this wasn't [[FranchiseOriginalSin the first time a Zorro story had these two elements]]. The 1996 anime Kaiketsu Zorro featured a Zorro who had both a love interest, Lolita, who treated him badly for almost the entire series and a boy sidekick, Bernardo/Little Zorro, who accompanied and helped him in almost every episode. In the case of the Lolita/Elena comparison, it should be noted that Lolita treated Zorro in his Don Diego civilian persona far worse than Elena did with Don Alejandro in Legend of Zorro, constantly belittling and making fun of Diego for allegedly being lazy and cowardly and at one point giving Diego a black eye for supposedly not coming to her rescue(even though he DID as Zorro). It wasn't until the very end of the series that Lolita finally warmed up to Diego and began treating him as a real romantic prospect, whereas Elena only divorced Alejandro because she had been blackmailed by Pinkerton agents into doing so(as opposed to Lolita who treated Diego badly of her own free will), otherwise they would have released Zorro's identity and put her family's lives in jeopardy. While Kaiketsu Zorro is far more obscure and less well known than The Legend of Zorro, it's pretty safe to say that the anime gets nowhere near the amount of hatred that the live action Banderas-verse sequel does, despite sharing what was fundamentally a very similar storyline premise.
9th May '15 5:58:28 PM rememberthehood1941
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** Alejandro has one moment when he reassures Nacho's wife and daughter at the jail that the dons are going to storm the jail to fight for their release...not taking care to ensure none of Monastario's spies are overhearing anything! No wonder he wasn't wounded during the ambush.

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** Alejandro has one moment when he reassures Nacho's wife and daughter at the jail that the dons are going to storm the jail to fight for their release...not taking care to ensure none of Monastario's spies are overhearing anything! No wonder he wasn't was wounded during the ambush.
9th May '15 5:58:08 PM rememberthehood1941
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** Alejandro has one moment when he reassures Nacho's wife and daughter at the jail that the dons are going to storm the jail to fight for their release...not taking care to ensure none of Monastario's spies are overhearing anything! No wonder he wasn't wounded during the ambush.
17th Apr '15 4:46:00 PM remtar85
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** The 90's live action series also had quite the catchy [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxhud0q5FOE theme song]].
4th Mar '14 7:54:05 AM GrigorII
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* WhatAnIdiot: The military arranged a clever way to deliver the taxes to Monterrey without risk. The blacksmith forged a giant padlock, whose sole key was delivered first to the governor. So, even if thieves stole them, they wouldn't be able to open the case. They called all the people to watch the ceremony: the taxes will be safe at the moment when García closes the padlock, [[WhatAnIdiot doing this!]] (yes, you understood it correctly, he closed the padlock alone, as a demonstration, without securing the case with it... and the only key is one state away)
1st Mar '14 9:22:11 AM Ecclytennysmithylove
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Enrique is seemingly regarded this way by a not insiginficant proportion of the fanbase.
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