History YMMV / Xenoblade

24th Aug '16 11:02:59 AM santos32
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* ItWasHisSled: ZigZagged with ''anything'' to do with Fiora. On one hand fans avoid this by just naming her mechon form [[FanNickname Seven]], thus revealing less about the plot, but on the other hand trying to talk about the story in a meaningful way would be hard without revealing the FirstEpisodeSpoiler, and the expanded material, such as her appearance in VideoGame/ProjectXZone 2 and her Smash Bros trophy, and a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoxjPwYZUUw Japanese]] [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil commercial]] don't try to hide any spoilers.

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* ItWasHisSled: ZigZagged with ''anything'' to do with Fiora. On one hand fans avoid this by just naming her mechon Mechon form [[FanNickname Seven]], thus revealing less about the plot, but on the other hand trying to talk about the story in a meaningful way would be hard without revealing the FirstEpisodeSpoiler, and the expanded material, such as her appearance in VideoGame/ProjectXZone 2 and her Smash Bros trophy, and a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoxjPwYZUUw Japanese]] [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil commercial]] don't try to hide any spoilers. It's more or less become the equivalent of [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Aerith's death.]]



** "I'm feeling it!" Yes, we get it Shulk... you only said it 8675309 times.

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** "I'm feeling it!" Yes, we get it Shulk... you only said it 8675309 times. As stated above, this line hit MemeticMutation come Shulk's invitation to the fourth ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' game.



* ShippingGoggles: There are some shippers who ship [[HeterosexualLifePartners Shulk and Reyn]]. This is despite the fact that they each have an ImpliedLoveInterest, (Shulk gets ''two'') and not shown to be Chaste at all. Even if you ignore that, Shulk and Reyn's friendship never goes beyond a [[JustFriends friendship]], so while they both care for each other, there is pretty much no HoYay to be seen between themselves.
* ShipToShipCombat: Shulk/Fiora vs Shulk/Melia.

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* ShippingGoggles: There are some shippers who ship [[HeterosexualLifePartners Shulk and Reyn]]. This is despite the fact that they each have an ImpliedLoveInterest, (Shulk gets ''two'') and not shown to be Chaste chaste at all. Even if you ignore that, Shulk and Reyn's friendship never goes beyond a [[JustFriends friendship]], so while they both care for each other, there is pretty much no HoYay to be seen between themselves.
* ShipToShipCombat: Shulk/Fiora vs Shulk/Melia. Sharla pushes this in-universe.



* SubbingVersusDubbing: The English dub is very well done, to the point that many fans actually prefer it to the original Japanese, especially since the British accents add a lot of uniqueness and charm. Dunban is a prominent example, as his English voice is beloved for his gallant LargeHam tendencies, but his Japanese voice on the other hand is considered [[WTFCastingAgency unfitting]] and even outright annoying during battles. However, there are many who consider the dub {{Narm}}y, particularly due to the over-the-top British accents, and Riki's English voice is often cited as more annoying than the intended "cute", and its gruffness [[LostInTranslation spoiling the reveal]] that he's [[Really700YearsOld Really 40 Years Old]]. Luckily, international versions of the game offer the option to switch between English and Japanese voices at any time, so this wasn't much of a problem...until the New 3DS version cut that feature due to space constraints, ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' used the dub of its respective language, and Shulk's amiibo costume in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioMaker'' [[NonDubbedGrunts had his Japanese voice in all versions]].

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* SubbingVersusDubbing: The English dub is very well done, to the point that many fans actually prefer it to the original Japanese, especially since the British accents add a lot of uniqueness and charm. Dunban is a prominent example, as his English voice is beloved for his gallant LargeHam tendencies, but his Japanese voice on the other hand is considered [[WTFCastingAgency unfitting]] and even outright annoying during battles. However, there are many who consider the dub {{Narm}}y, particularly due to the over-the-top British accents, and Riki's English voice is often cited as more annoying than the intended "cute", and its gruffness [[LostInTranslation spoiling the reveal]] that he's [[Really700YearsOld Really 40 Years Old]]. Luckily, international versions of the game offer the option to switch between English and Japanese voices at any time, so this wasn't much of a problem... until the New 3DS version cut that feature due to space constraints, ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' used the dub of its respective language, and Shulk's amiibo costume in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioMaker'' [[NonDubbedGrunts had his Japanese voice in all versions]].



** On the other hand, NPC Shulk is hated almost as much as NPC Melia for [[ArtificialStupidity similar reasons]]. The AI isn't the best at positional attacks and has a nasty tendency to waste his Talent Gauge unnecessarily, such as spamming Monado Enchant against Mechon when the entire party already has Anti-Mechon weapons equipped, making it difficult to counter visions when they arise. Which doesn't sound ''too'' bad, except he has a nasty habit of using [[CastFromHitPoints Battle Soul]] repeatedly to fuel his frivolous use of the Monado, meaning it's common to see Shulk drop from full health to red in a few seconds without the enemy even needing to get an attack in. And unlike Dunban, Shulk doesn't have any Arts to replace it with.[[note]]It is possible to dequip Battle Soul, but it [[SomeDexterityRequired is rather difficult to do]], [[GuideDangIt not mentioned anywhere]], and this is the only time such an ability is even useful.[[/note]]

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** On the other hand, NPC Shulk is hated almost as much as NPC Melia for [[ArtificialStupidity similar reasons]]. The AI isn't the best at positional attacks and has a nasty tendency to waste his Talent Gauge unnecessarily, such as spamming Monado Enchant against Mechon when the entire party already has Anti-Mechon weapons equipped, making it difficult to counter visions when they arise. Which doesn't sound ''too'' bad, except he has a nasty habit of using [[CastFromHitPoints Battle Soul]] repeatedly to fuel his frivolous use of the Monado, meaning it's common to see Shulk drop from full health to red in a few seconds without the enemy even needing to get an attack in. And unlike Dunban, Shulk doesn't have any Arts to replace it with.[[note]]It is possible to dequip de-equip Battle Soul, but it [[SomeDexterityRequired is rather difficult to do]], [[GuideDangIt not mentioned anywhere]], and this is the only time such an ability is even useful.[[/note]]
13th Aug '16 4:21:40 AM Verum
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* ItWasHisSled: ZigZagged with ''anything'' to do with Fiora. On one hand fans avoid this by just naming her mechon form [[FanNickname Seven]], thus revealing less about the plot, but on the other hand trying to talk about the story in a meaningful way would be hard without revealing the FirstEpisodeSpoiler, and the expanded material, such as her appearance in VideoGame/ProjectXZone 2 and her Smash Bros trophy, don't try to hide any spoilers.

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* ItWasHisSled: ZigZagged with ''anything'' to do with Fiora. On one hand fans avoid this by just naming her mechon form [[FanNickname Seven]], thus revealing less about the plot, but on the other hand trying to talk about the story in a meaningful way would be hard without revealing the FirstEpisodeSpoiler, and the expanded material, such as her appearance in VideoGame/ProjectXZone 2 and her Smash Bros trophy, and a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoxjPwYZUUw Japanese]] [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil commercial]] don't try to hide any spoilers.
13th Aug '16 4:19:14 AM Verum
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* ItWasHisSled: ZigZagged with ''anything'' to do with [[spoiler:Fiora]]. On one hand fans avoid this by just naming her [[spoiler:mechon form]] [[FanNickname Seven]], thus revealing less about the plot, but on the other hand trying to talk about the story in a meaningful way would be hard without revealing the FirstEpisodeSpoiler, and the expanded material, such as her appearance in VideoGame/ProjectXZone 2 and her Smash Bros trophy, don't try to hide any spoilers.

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* ItWasHisSled: ZigZagged with ''anything'' to do with [[spoiler:Fiora]]. Fiora. On one hand fans avoid this by just naming her [[spoiler:mechon form]] mechon form [[FanNickname Seven]], thus revealing less about the plot, but on the other hand trying to talk about the story in a meaningful way would be hard without revealing the FirstEpisodeSpoiler, and the expanded material, such as her appearance in VideoGame/ProjectXZone 2 and her Smash Bros trophy, don't try to hide any spoilers.
10th Aug '16 5:43:18 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker:

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8th Jul '16 9:19:09 PM lumpman2
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** Another example would be the Ether Cylinders you get from gem crafting. In theory, they're a nice way to re-use gem components if you fail to get them over 100% during crafting, and could even be used to distill a single effect so that you can focus on it with Strong flames instead of Medium on the next run. Unfortunately, trying to exploit this feature often leads to your high-affinity party members [[StopHelpingMe "helping"]] the two characters push a desired quality over 100%, [[SpringtimeForHitler turning what would've been an awesome cylinder into an underpowered gem.]] This is especially annoying when you're trying to Mega-Heat gems (which requires you to push the quality to 300%, something that's only really possible with starting cylinder values of 150% or more) which gives them the maximum possible stat boost and creates another copy of the gem in addition to pushing the resulting gem up a rank that accomplishing normal Heat does, the end result being that the most consistent way to create 90+% cylinders is to purposefully leave a pair of characters at low affinity to minimize the % increase and chance of other characters butting in until you finish creating every possible gem you need for the rest of the game.

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** Another example would be the Ether Cylinders you get from gem crafting. In theory, they're a nice way to re-use gem components if you fail to get them over 100% during crafting, and could even be used to distill a single effect so that you can focus on it with Strong flames instead of Medium on the next run. Unfortunately, trying to exploit this feature often leads to your high-affinity party members [[StopHelpingMe [[AnnoyingVideoGameHelper "helping"]] the two characters push a desired quality over 100%, [[SpringtimeForHitler turning what would've been an awesome cylinder into an underpowered gem.]] This is especially annoying when you're trying to Mega-Heat gems (which requires you to push the quality to 300%, something that's only really possible with starting cylinder values of 150% or more) which gives them the maximum possible stat boost and creates another copy of the gem in addition to pushing the resulting gem up a rank that accomplishing normal Heat does, the end result being that the most consistent way to create 90+% cylinders is to purposefully leave a pair of characters at low affinity to minimize the % increase and chance of other characters butting in until you finish creating every possible gem you need for the rest of the game.
23rd May '16 7:01:53 AM Larkmarn
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* BrokenBase: The handheld remake of the game being made only for the New Nintendo 3DS system, as this upgraded 3DS model has more shoulder buttons, a second circle pad, and most importantly a faster CPU that allows the system to handle larger games. Some people who already own older model 3DS systems are a bit annoyed they need to upgrade in order to play the handheld remake, especially since the remake is likely at least part of the reason the game has yet to see a Virtual Console release. Those who aren't annoyed by this news feel that not only is this single game possibly enough to warrant an upgrade to more powerful hardware, but have rationalized this decision to make the game New Nintendo 3DS exclusive as not being that much different compared to when [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleGames some]] [[VideoGame/{{Shantae}} games]] were made exclusive to the GameBoyColor model of GameBoy back in the late 90s.

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* BrokenBase: The handheld remake of the game being made only for the New Nintendo 3DS system, as this upgraded 3DS model has more shoulder buttons, a second circle pad, and most importantly a faster CPU that allows the system to handle larger games. Some people who already own older model 3DS systems are a bit annoyed they need to upgrade in order to play the handheld remake, especially since the remake is likely at least part of the reason the game has yet took years to see a Virtual Console release.release despite being one of the most requested Wii releases. Those who aren't annoyed by this news feel that not only is this single game possibly enough to warrant an upgrade to more powerful hardware, but have rationalized this decision to make the game New Nintendo 3DS exclusive as not being that much different compared to when [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleGames some]] [[VideoGame/{{Shantae}} games]] were made exclusive to the GameBoyColor model of GameBoy back in the late 90s.
24th Apr '16 6:59:33 AM TokoWH
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** On the other hand, NPC Shulk is hated almost as much as NPC Melia for [[ArtificialStupidity similar reasons]]. The AI isn't the best at positional attacks and has a nasty tendency to waste his Talent Gauge unnecessarily, making it difficult to counter visions when they arise. Which doesn't sound ''too'' bad, except he has a nasty habit of using [[CastFromHitPoints Battle Soul]] repeatedly to fuel his frivolous use of the Monado, meaning it's common to see Shulk drop from full health to red in a few seconds without the enemy even needing to get an attack in. And unlike Dunban, Shulk doesn't have any Arts to replace it with.[[note]]It is possible to dequip Battle Soul, but it [[SomeDexterityRequired is rather difficult to do]], [[GuideDangIt not mentioned anywhere]], and this is the only time such an ability is even useful.[[/note]]

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** On the other hand, NPC Shulk is hated almost as much as NPC Melia for [[ArtificialStupidity similar reasons]]. The AI isn't the best at positional attacks and has a nasty tendency to waste his Talent Gauge unnecessarily, such as spamming Monado Enchant against Mechon when the entire party already has Anti-Mechon weapons equipped, making it difficult to counter visions when they arise. Which doesn't sound ''too'' bad, except he has a nasty habit of using [[CastFromHitPoints Battle Soul]] repeatedly to fuel his frivolous use of the Monado, meaning it's common to see Shulk drop from full health to red in a few seconds without the enemy even needing to get an attack in. And unlike Dunban, Shulk doesn't have any Arts to replace it with.[[note]]It is possible to dequip Battle Soul, but it [[SomeDexterityRequired is rather difficult to do]], [[GuideDangIt not mentioned anywhere]], and this is the only time such an ability is even useful.[[/note]]
22nd Apr '16 8:22:46 AM TokoWH
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** Using Melia's sleep and spear break commands, it's possible to push [[DemonicSpiders Gogols]] off the cliff side on Bionis leg, killing them instantly and dropping a chest. While [[DevelopersForesight the characters will only get EXP directly proportional to their level regardless]] to keep from power grinding, the Gogols and still drop some pretty good stuff such as great late game equipment, max level art books, and near max level strength up gems that can reach max with some diligent crafting. All this helps save a ''lot'' on money and gem space, as you won't need to buy equipment for that piece of armor ever again or even need more than one strength up gem to reach the maximum boost it can give you, and any repeated art books you get can be sold for high amounts of cash.
3rd Apr '16 6:56:55 PM Prop42
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** "BESTEST", the description given to Riki by a nopon child shortly after returning from the [[spoiler:battle with the telethia]], has also recently been approaching memetic levels as well, particularly among the YTP community.
1st Apr '16 8:49:29 PM Ninplanet123
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* EightPointEight:
** The game got glowing reviews in all of the continents it was released in... with the exception of [[ElectronicGamingMonthly EGM's]] [[http://www.egmnow.com/articles/reviews/egm-review-xenoblade-chronicles/ review.]]
** The review from [[http://kotaku.com/5898947/undefined Kotaku]] was this too. Although the general impression is positive, Jason Schreier spends roughly 75% of the review, not analyzing the game per se, [[HypeBacklash but rather saying up front the game was not even close as good as most people claimed]], along with comments of questionable truthfulness regarding gameplay. Things got worse in a brief follow up commenting the 3DS version, [[http://kotaku.com/were-not-crazy-about-xenoblade-chronicles-3d-1696983738 where he stated he now downright hates the game]], while maintaining the same points (including the doubtful ones) without giving any new input.



* EightPointEight:
** The game got glowing reviews in all of the continents it was released in... with the exception of [[ElectronicGamingMonthly EGM's]] [[http://www.egmnow.com/articles/reviews/egm-review-xenoblade-chronicles/ review.]]
** The review from [[http://kotaku.com/5898947/undefined Kotaku]] was this too. Although the general impression is positive, Jason Schreier spends roughly 75% of the review, not analyzing the game per se, [[HypeBacklash but rather saying up front the game was not even close as good as most people claimed]], along with comments of questionable truthfulness regarding gameplay. Things got worse in a brief follow up commenting the 3DS version, [[http://kotaku.com/were-not-crazy-about-xenoblade-chronicles-3d-1696983738 where he stated he now downright hates the game]], while maintaining the same points (including the doubtful ones) without giving any new input.
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