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Surprised this wasn't listed as a reason for it losing to Avenue Q.


* AwardSnub: It lost the Best Musical Tony to ''Theatre/AvenueQ'', which didn't have as much longevity[[note]]''Avenue Q'' ran on Broadway for six years, moving Off-Broadway after a three-week hiatus. The Off-Broadway run closed in May 2019[[/note]]. Of course, while ''Wicked'' has undoubtedly eclipsed ''Avenue Q'' commercially, the Tony winner ''was'' far more acclaimed.

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* AwardSnub: It lost the Best Musical Tony to ''Theatre/AvenueQ'', which didn't have as much longevity[[note]]''Avenue Q'' ran on Broadway for six years, moving Off-Broadway after a three-week hiatus. The Off-Broadway run closed in May 2019[[/note]]. Of course, while ''Wicked'' has undoubtedly eclipsed ''Avenue Q'' commercially, the Tony winner ''was'' far more acclaimed.acclaimed[[note]] Although the ''extremely'' aggressive award campaign that the producers of ''Avenue Q'' ran may have also contributed to this[[/note]].
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** More recently, ''WesternAnimation/Wish2023'' has its heroine Asha live in a seeming utopia overseen by a powerful, flashy wizard who considers making her his apprentice until she learns that he is hoarding most of the wishes of his people and only granting (in a lottery system) ones that don't have any potential to threaten his rule, and objects to this, earning his enmity. When she ends up with powerful magic on her side and sets out to free the kingdom's wishes, he claims to his people that she is a traitor and encourages her capture.

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** More recently, ''WesternAnimation/Wish2023'' has its heroine Asha live in a seeming utopia overseen by a powerful, flashy wizard who considers making her his apprentice until she learns that he is hoarding most of the wishes of his adoring people and only magically granting (in a lottery system) ones that don't have any potential to threaten his rule, and objects to this, earning his enmity. When she ends up with powerful a star's magic on her side and sets out to free the kingdom's wishes, he claims to his people that she is a traitor and encourages her capture.capture. (Interestingly, said star magic grants animals sentience and speech, inverting how the Wizard's acts rob Talking Animals of such.)
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* More recently, ''WesternAnimation/Wish2023'' has its heroine Asha live in a seeming utopia overseen by a powerful, flashy wizard who considers making her his apprentice until she learns that he is hoarding most of the wishes of his people and only granting (in a lottery system) ones that don't have any potential to threaten his rule, and objects to this, earning his enmity. When she ends up with powerful magic on her side and sets out to free the kingdom's wishes, he claims to his people that she is a traitor and encourages her capture.

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* ** More recently, ''WesternAnimation/Wish2023'' has its heroine Asha live in a seeming utopia overseen by a powerful, flashy wizard who considers making her his apprentice until she learns that he is hoarding most of the wishes of his people and only granting (in a lottery system) ones that don't have any potential to threaten his rule, and objects to this, earning his enmity. When she ends up with powerful magic on her side and sets out to free the kingdom's wishes, he claims to his people that she is a traitor and encourages her capture.
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* More recently, ''WesternAnimation/Wish2023'' has its heroine Asha live in a seeming utopia overseen by a powerful, flashy wizard who considers making her his apprentice until she learns that he is hoarding most of the wishes of his people and only granting (in a lottery system) ones that don't have any potential to threaten his rule, and objects to this, earning his enmity. When she ends up with powerful magic on her side and sets out to free the kingdom's wishes, he claims to his people that she is a traitor and encourages her capture.
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** Speaking of love...does Boq really love Glinda or is he in love with the most popular and pretty girl at school is way out of his league?

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** Speaking of love...does Boq really love Glinda or is he in love with fascinated by the most pretty and popular and pretty girl at school Shiz who is way out of his league?
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** Speaking of love...does Boq really love Glinda or is he in love with the most popular and pretty girl at school is way out of his league?

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* CaptainObviousReveal: Given all the times Fiyero makes explicit mentions of [[spoiler: himself or others being brainless]] it's not much of a shock that he [[spoiler: becomes The Scarecrow, especially since we already see the origins of Dorothy's other two companions by the time this is made clear.]]

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Given all the times Fiyero makes explicit mentions of [[spoiler: himself or others being brainless]] it's not much of a shock that he [[spoiler: becomes The Scarecrow, especially since we already see the origins of Dorothy's other two companions by the time this is made clear.]]]]
** The repeated foreshadowing in "Sentimental Man" of the Wizard [[spoiler:describing himself as a father figure]] makes it easy to deduce that he is [[spoiler:Elphaba's biological father]] -- even more so if you recognize the voice of the [[spoiler:potion seller]].
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* NarmCharm: By themselves, the song's lyrics are rather cheesy, but in the context of the story, combined with the amazing vocals and score, not to mention the performance itself, they manage to become SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic.

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* NarmCharm: By themselves, the song's lyrics are rather cheesy, cheesy (especially the casual use of {{Perfectly Cromulent Word}}s as per the worldbuilding), but in the context of the story, combined with the amazing vocals and score, not to mention the performance itself, they manage to become SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Despite Elphaba [[OfficialCouple being canonically paired]] with Fiyero and running away with him in the end, most fans prefer to pair with Glinda, due to the pair's friendship being the heart of the play and feeling like they have better chemistry. It certainly helps that both the original book's author and several cast members have said [[WordOfGay that they feel like Elphaba and Glinda are in love with each other]] and could have ended up together if things had played out differently.
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* BrokenAesop: Wicked's primary question, 'what makes one wicked?,' and all the messages that go with it, end up mildly broken due to the LighterAndSofter adaptation. For all of Elphaba's problems, in the musical, she is never truly wicked, so the musings seem kind of pointless. Also, the (admittedly depressing) [[AnAesop Aesop]] of 'No good deed going unpunished' is broken by Elphaba getting a happy ending in contrast to the extreme DownerEnding of the book. Though the lesson might be that people "have wickedness thrust upon them" specifically ''because'' Elphaba doesn't have to do anything wicked to be declared the Wicked Witch.

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* BrokenAesop: Wicked's ''Wicked'''s primary question, 'what "what makes one wicked?,' wicked?", and all the messages that go with it, end up mildly broken due to the LighterAndSofter adaptation. For all of Elphaba's problems, in the musical, she is never truly wicked, so the musings seem kind of pointless. Also, the (admittedly depressing) [[AnAesop Aesop]] of 'No "No good deed going unpunished' unpunished" is broken by Elphaba getting a happy ending in contrast to the extreme DownerEnding of the book. Though the lesson might be that people "have wickedness thrust upon them" specifically ''because'' Elphaba doesn't have to do anything wicked to be declared the Wicked Witch.
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* BrokenAesop: Wicked's primary question, 'what makes one wicked?,' and all the messages that go with it, end up mildly broken due to the LighterAndSofter adaptation. For all of Elphaba's problems, in the musical, she is never truly wicked, so the musings seem kind of pointless. Also, the (admittedly depressing) [[AnAesop Aesop]] of 'No good deed going unpunished' is broken by Elphaba getting a happy ending in contrast to the extreme DownerEnding of the book. Though the lesson might be that people "have wickedness thrust upon them" specifically ''because'' Elphaba doesn't have to do anything wicked to be declared the Wicked Witch.
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For the books, see [[YMMV/TheWickedYears here]].

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For the books, see [[YMMV/TheWickedYears here]]. For the first part of the film adaptation, see [[YMMV/WickedPartOne here]].
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* DieForOurShip: Fiyero is often villainized by Elphaba/Glinda shippers due to him being Elphaba's main love interest. A lot of fics turn him into a self-centered jerk or flat-out abusive boyfriend who doesn't deserve Elphaba. While he starts off somewhat mean, a lot of these shippers tend to ignore his character development for the sake of their ship.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Part of why fans of the book are so nervous about a movie version of the musical being made is that it will further cement into peoples minds that ''this'' is the official ''Wicked'' story, and people will continue to forget about and ignore the books.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: Part of why fans of the book are so nervous about a movie version of the musical being made is that it will further cement into peoples people's minds that ''this'' is the official ''Wicked'' story, and people will continue to forget about and ignore the books.
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* GeniusBonus: Fiyero's line "learn to live the unexamined life" is a reference to Creator/{{Socrates}}'s dictum "The unexamined life is not worth living."

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