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* MeanCharacterNiceActor / NiceCharacterMeanActor: Opinions on Bette Davis's relative niceness in real life vary, but in her on-set professionalism and her treatment of the crew, she comes off as a saint compared to temperamental diva Joan Crawford. Yet Crawford plays the sweet, sympathetic Blanche while Davis plays the notoriously nightmarish Jane.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Henry Farrell's original novel is all but forgotten today.
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* MemeticMutation: "But ya ''are'', Blanche! Ya ''are'' in that chair!"
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* MemeticMutation: "But ya "Butcha ''are'', Blanche! Ya ''are'' in that chair!"
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* MeanCharacterNiceActor / NiceCharacterMeanActor: Opinions on Bette Davis's relative niceness in real life vary, but in her on-set professionalism and her treatment of the crew, she comes off as a saint compared to temperamental diva Joan Crawford. Yet Crawford plays the sweet, sympathetic Blanche while Davis plays the notoriously nightmarish Jane.
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** At the beginning of the film, they sell dolls based on Baby Jane and stress that they are "exact replicas." A doll modeled on a real life little girl would have been innocent enough at the time -- dolls and toys based on child ''and'' adult actresses were completely normal[[note]]look up Loraine Burdick's ''Child Star Dolls and Toys'', and ''Adult Star Dolls and Toys'' collectors' guides with many pictures[[/note]] -- but takes on far more sinister and creepy overtones today.
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** At the beginning of the film, they sell dolls based on Baby Jane and stress that they are "exact replicas." A doll modeled on a real life little girl would have been innocent enough at the time -- dolls and toys based on child ''and'' adult actresses were completely normal[[note]]look normal and Effanbee made "Look-A-Like" portrait dolls based on real children[[note]]look up Loraine Burdick's ''Child Star Dolls and Toys'', and ''Adult Star Dolls and Toys'' collectors' guides with many pictures[[/note]] -- but takes on far more sinister and creepy overtones today.today. (This is a ''big'' YMMV, as many children still love dolls that look like celebrity children -- or like themselves. Today, American Girl makes "Truly Me" dolls. [[http://logansladies.yolasite.com/my-twinn-history.php My Twinn]] was developed by an emergency room doctor to help young patients regain confidence. Portrait dolls are a cottage industry on Etsy.)
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** At the beginning of the film, they sell dolls based on Baby Jane and stress that they are "exact replicas." A doll modeled on a real life little girl would have been innocent enough at the time, but takes on far more sinister and creepy overtones today.
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** At the beginning of the film, they sell dolls based on Baby Jane and stress that they are "exact replicas." A doll modeled on a real life little girl would have been innocent enough at the time, time -- dolls and toys based on child ''and'' adult actresses were completely normal[[note]]look up Loraine Burdick's ''Child Star Dolls and Toys'', and ''Adult Star Dolls and Toys'' collectors' guides with many pictures[[/note]] -- but takes on far more sinister and creepy overtones today.
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: The film was expected to flop, particularly after the stories leaked to the press about the quarreling between the stars, but the film turned out to be a critical and commercial hit, even earning an Oscar nomination for Creator/BetteDavis.
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* {{Narm}}: Lynn Redgrave's makeup in the remake. It's essentially the same as Bette Davis's-- but the difference is that the remake is in colour. Davis's worked in black and white, and helped make Jane look creepy. Redgrave's, on the other hand, looks incredibly goofy. That's not to mention the GirlishPigtails.
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* {{Narm}}: Lynn Redgrave's makeup in the remake. It's essentially the same as Bette Davis's-- Creator/BetteDavis's-- but the difference is that the remake is in colour. Davis's worked in black and white, and helped make Jane look creepy. Redgrave's, on the other hand, looks incredibly goofy. That's not to mention the GirlishPigtails.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Jane appears to have crossed this with her attempted murder and systematic abuse of Blanche, and [[spoiler:her killing of Elvira. The twist ending reveals all this to be a subversion.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: Jane appears to have crossed this with her attempted murder and systematic abuse of Blanche, and [[spoiler:her killing of Elvira. The Blanche. [[spoiler:The twist ending reveals all this to be a subversion.]] ]]
** Jane's [[spoiler:murder of Elvira]] would seem to remove all doubt, though it is debatable whether or not she is guilty by reason of insanity.
** Jane's [[spoiler:murder of Elvira]] would seem to remove all doubt, though it is debatable whether or not she is guilty by reason of insanity.
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* ValuesDissonance: When Edwin's mother is telling him about the night Jane supposedly tried to kill Blanche, she describes the worst part--read: worse than trying to murder her own sister--as being found in a hotel room with a man she didn't know. Sort-of lampshaded by Edwin in his retort:
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** When Edwin's mother is telling him about the night Jane supposedly tried to kill Blanche, she describes the worst part--read: worse than trying to murder her own sister--as being found in a hotel room with a man she didn't know. Sort-of lampshaded by Edwin in his retort:
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* MemeticMutation: "But ya ARE, Blanche, ya ARE in that chair!"
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* {{Narm}}: Lynn Redgrave's make-up in the remake. It's essentially the same as Bette Davis's - but the difference is that the remake is in colour. Davis's worked in black and white, and helped make Jane look creepy. Redgrave's on the other hand looks incredibly goofy. That's not to mention the GirlishPigtails.
* TastesLikeDiabetes: "I've Written A Letter To Daddy" in its original instance. However when Jane sings it years later, it becomes NightmareFuel.
* TastesLikeDiabetes: "I've Written A Letter To Daddy" in its original instance. However when Jane sings it years later, it becomes NightmareFuel.
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* {{Narm}}: Lynn Redgrave's make-up makeup in the remake. It's essentially the same as Bette Davis's - Davis's-- but the difference is that the remake is in colour. Davis's worked in black and white, and helped make Jane look creepy. Redgrave's Redgrave's, on the other hand hand, looks incredibly goofy. That's not to mention the GirlishPigtails.
* TastesLikeDiabetes: "I've WrittenA a Letter To to Daddy" in its original instance. However incarnation. However, when Jane sings it years later, it becomes NightmareFuel.
* TastesLikeDiabetes: "I've Written
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* ValuesDissonance: When Edwin's mother is telling him about the night Jane supposedly tried to kill Blanche, she describes the worst part - read: part--read: worse than trying to murder her own sister - as sister--as being found in a hotel room with a man she didn't know. Sort-of lampshaded by Edwin in his retort:
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*** [[spoiler: Note that the book leans more towards the former interpretation, revealing that Blanche deliberately kept Jane from seeking psychiatric help because she was afraid that, as part of the therapy, Jane might remember that she was the miraculously escaped ''victim'' of Blanche's hit-and-run attack, rather than the ''assailant'' why crippled Blanche like she believes herself to be.]]
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*** [[spoiler: Note that the book leans more towards the former interpretation, revealing that Blanche deliberately kept Jane from seeking psychiatric help because she was afraid that, as part of the therapy, Jane might remember that she was the miraculously escaped ''victim'' of Blanche's hit-and-run attack, rather than the ''assailant'' why who crippled Blanche like she believes herself to be.]]
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*** [[spoiler: Note that the book leans more towards the former interpretation, revealing that Blanche deliberately kept Jane from seeking psychiatric help because she was afraid that, as part of the therapy, Jane might remember that she was the miraculously escaped ''victim'' of Blanche's hit-and-run attack, rather than the ''assailant'' why crippled Blanche like she believes herself to be.]]
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* CultClassic: It was hugely controversial (it even received an X rating in the UK!) so of course it became a midnight movie - which it still is today.
* DancingBear: A large amount of the film's publicity stemmed from the heated rivalry between the two leads.
* DancingBear: A large amount of the film's publicity stemmed from the heated rivalry between the two leads.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Jane Hudson is known as a drunken mess on set when she tries to be an actress, while Blanche is a perfect lady. The reverse happened to the two actresses that played them; Bette Davis was known for being a consummate professional who kept working for nearly twenty years after this film. Joan Crawford was known for being drunk and full of {{Narm}}, and would have retired from films before the decade was over.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Jane Hudson is known as a drunken mess on set when she tries to be an actress, while Blanche is a perfect lady. The reverse happened to the two actresses that played them; Bette Davis Creator/BetteDavis was known for being a consummate professional who kept working for nearly twenty years after this film. Joan Crawford Creator/JoanCrawford was known for being drunk and full of {{Narm}}, and would have retired from films before the decade was over.
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* FunnyAneursymMoment: Mrs Bates says "that Jane Hudson makes me so mad I could kill her", and her daughter jokes "what'll we use?" - said daughter is played by BD Merrill. She would later publish a scathing ''Literature/MommieDearest'' style book about her mother.
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* FunnyAneursymMoment: FunnyAneurysmMoment: Mrs Bates says "that Jane Hudson makes me so mad I could kill her", and her daughter jokes "what'll we use?" - said daughter is played by BD Merrill. She would later publish a scathing ''Literature/MommieDearest'' style book about her mother.
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** It's unknown if Blanche plotted revenge straight from the "you bet I won't forget moment" up until [[spoiler: she tried to run over her sister. One has to wonder what her attitude towards Jane was afterwards. Did she withhold the truth just to torture Jane even further (forcing her to act as her caretaker)? Did she keep the lie out of fear of what Jane might do for revenge if she found out? Or was she genuinely sorry and just didn't know how to come out with it?]]
** Jane with regards to how much she cares for Blanche. In the opening, although Jane is bratty, she still wants Blanche to be included (insisting her father get some ice cream for her too). Blanche describes Jane fondly in her youth, implying the sisters were close once upon a time. The fact that Jane is still caring for her decades later implies that there could be lingering affection that's getting squashed by her own bitterness and jealousy. [[spoiler: When Elvira is killed and Edwin discovers the secret, Jane's first instinct is to run to Blanche like a frightened child. And when she discovers the truth, her first thought is not anger but sadness]].
** The remake implies the latter, with the sisters being cordial and even affectionate at times - before Jane goes off the rails.
* FunnyAneursymMoment: Mrs Bates says "that Jane Hudson makes me so mad I could kill her", and her daughter jokes "what'll we use?" - said daughter is played by BD Merrill. She would later publish a scathing ''Literature/MommieDearest'' style book about her mother.
* HarsherInHindsight: Jane Hudson is known as a drunken mess on set when she tries to be an actress, while Blanche is a perfect lady. The reverse happened to the two actresses that played them; Bette Davis was known for being a consummate professional who kept working for nearly twenty years after this film. Joan Crawford was known for being drunk and full of {{Narm}}, and would have retired from films before the decade was over.
** It's unknown if Blanche plotted revenge straight from the "you bet I won't forget moment" up until [[spoiler: she tried to run over her sister. One has to wonder what her attitude towards Jane was afterwards. Did she withhold the truth just to torture Jane even further (forcing her to act as her caretaker)? Did she keep the lie out of fear of what Jane might do for revenge if she found out? Or was she genuinely sorry and just didn't know how to come out with it?]]
** Jane with regards to how much she cares for Blanche. In the opening, although Jane is bratty, she still wants Blanche to be included (insisting her father get some ice cream for her too). Blanche describes Jane fondly in her youth, implying the sisters were close once upon a time. The fact that Jane is still caring for her decades later implies that there could be lingering affection that's getting squashed by her own bitterness and jealousy. [[spoiler: When Elvira is killed and Edwin discovers the secret, Jane's first instinct is to run to Blanche like a frightened child. And when she discovers the truth, her first thought is not anger but sadness]].
** The remake implies the latter, with the sisters being cordial and even affectionate at times - before Jane goes off the rails.
* FunnyAneursymMoment: Mrs Bates says "that Jane Hudson makes me so mad I could kill her", and her daughter jokes "what'll we use?" - said daughter is played by BD Merrill. She would later publish a scathing ''Literature/MommieDearest'' style book about her mother.
* HarsherInHindsight: Jane Hudson is known as a drunken mess on set when she tries to be an actress, while Blanche is a perfect lady. The reverse happened to the two actresses that played them; Bette Davis was known for being a consummate professional who kept working for nearly twenty years after this film. Joan Crawford was known for being drunk and full of {{Narm}}, and would have retired from films before the decade was over.
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** There's more than an element of JerkassWoobie in both cases, however. [[spoiler: Blanche because she tried to kill Jane and then framed Jane for trying to kill ''her'', and Jane because whether she was guilty or not, she still spend the a significant amount of time psychologically tormenting and abusing her disabled sister.]]
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** There's more than an element of JerkassWoobie in both cases, however. [[spoiler: Blanche because she tried to kill Jane and then framed Jane for trying to kill ''her'', and Jane because whether she was guilty or not, she still spend the spent a significant amount of time psychologically tormenting and abusing her disabled sister.]]
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* RealitySubtext: Davis and Crawford had been rivals since the '30s and utterly despised each other in real life; in his Great Movies essay on the film, Creator/RogerEbert speculated that "it's possible that each agreed to do the picture only because she was jealous of the other's starring role."
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* ValuesDissonance: When Edwin's mother is telling him about the night Jane supposedly tried to kill Blanche, she describes the worst part - read: worse than trying to murder her own sister - as being found in a hotel room with a man she didn't know.
** Sort-of lampshaded by Edwin in his retort:
-->'''''"Why do you care? [[CrowningMomentofFunny Isn't that how I was conceived?]]"'''''
* {{Woobie}}: [[spoiler: Jane. Poor, poor Jane. Wracked by guilt over something ''she never did''.]]
** Sort-of lampshaded by Edwin in his retort:
-->'''''"Why do you care? [[CrowningMomentofFunny Isn't that how I was conceived?]]"'''''
* {{Woobie}}: [[spoiler: Jane. Poor, poor Jane. Wracked by guilt over something ''she never did''.]]
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** There's more than an element of JerkassWoobie in both cases, however. [[spoiler: Blanche because she tried to kill Jane and then framed Jane for trying to kill ''her'', and Jane because whether she was guilty or not, Jane still spend the next three decades psychologically tormenting and abusing her disabled sister.]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: When an aged Carol Kane appears on the DVD's documentary on the film "Bette and Joan: Blind Ambition", she looks and sounds eerily like Baby Jane, right down to the brassy whine.
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* RealitySubtext: Davis and Crawford had been rivals since the '30s and utterly despised each other in real life; in his Great Movies essay on the film, RogerEbert speculated that "it's possible that each agreed to do the picture only because she was jealous of the other's starring role."
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** Sort-of lampshaded by Edwin in his retort:
-->'''''"Why do you care? [[CrowningMomentofFunny Isn't that how I was conceived?]]"'''''
-->'''''"Why do you care? [[CrowningMomentofFunny Isn't that how I was conceived?]]"'''''
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* OneHitWonder: Jane with "I've Written a Letter to Daddy."
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* OneHitWonder: Jane with "I've Written a Letter to Daddy."
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* RealitySubtext: Davis and Crawford had been rivals since the '30s and utterly despised each other in real life; in his Great Movies essay on the film, RogerEbert speculated that "it's possible that each agreed to do the picture only because she was jealous of the other's starring role."
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** Blanche, over the course of the movie, culminating in [[spoiler: her supposed death at the end.]]
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* ValuesDissonance: When Edwin's mother is telling him about the night Jane supposedly tried to kill Blanche, she describes the worst part - read: worse than trying to murder her own sister - as being found in a hotel room with a man she didn't know.
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** Jane as a child qualifies too. It's strongly implied that their father pushed her into show business and allowed her to become the arrogant brat she was. He never disciplined her and made Blanche think she was TheUnfavourite.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Jane appears to have crossed this with her attempted murder and systematic abuse of Blanche, and [[spoiler:her killing of Elvira. The twist ending reveals all this to be a subversion.]]
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* {{Woobie}}: [[spoiler: Jane. Poor, poor Jane. Wracked by guilt over something ''she never did''.]]