History YMMV / WerewolfTheApocalypse

7th Nov '16 9:46:32 PM SpectralTime
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** Keep in mind, however, that Garou mentality is based at least as much on the lupine as it is the human way of thinking, and wolves are territorial. After the Impergium, the new-founded Tribes of the newly-divided Garou Nation divided the human population up into "protectorates" (aka breeding herds)amongst themselves. Some of those were regional and so became associated with the ethnicities that lived in the region; the less traditional and more mobile Garou preferred qualities that cut across ethnic lines. In the case of the Silver Fangs (as far as 2nd Ed is concerned), they have sway over the smallest breeding pool, especially after World War 1 killed off or scattered their minor Kin. One major part of the Litany is that Garou should never trespass on another's territory - this goes for human protectorates as well. A Get of Fenris marrying a Chinese might be seen as poaching Stargazer territory by both Tribes.



*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition in humans due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver in and of itself. Worse, he sees that, should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation, as humans become more and more dependent on such technology to sustain their numbers/those who would be goners if living in a non-technological world. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls. If this still bothers you, remember that Garou are NOT HUMAN, and should not be treated as such. Also keep in mind that the original role of the Garou was indeed to cull the weak from the human herd, as wolves cull the deer - the Impergium was simply their version of taking things too far when Garou thought humans were overdeveloping. What they managed to do was prevent the creation of successful city-states for several thousand years - which was the entire point of the Impergium in the first place. The point is, that some Garou of MANY tribes do think that the Impergium resulted in them staying their hand a bit too much, and neglecting their traditional role as Darwinian shepherds. It isn't so much the slaughter of "sacred human lives" that is the problem for most Garou - its how they made the mistake of going to extremes once again in refusing to go back to wise culling. If you agree with wildlife managers that culling is "good for the herd", then you have no grounds to complain when another species (which is what Garou essentially are) decide that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Who are Garou to judge what individuals aren't "fit"? Well, who are humans to do the same to judge individuals of other species? - Author of that part of Book of the Weaver.
*** I would also like to add that Mr Teardrop and his two friends would like to point out that the conformist nature of the modern "PC Movement" is _very_ Weaverish in their eyes.



** Homosexuality has never been banned in Garou culture, though some individuals and Tribes may view it with more distaste than others. Dedicated homosexuality, however, is _strongly_ discouraged, for practical reasons of species survival. You can be as gay as you like, but you will be expected to at least _try_ to produce at least a kinfolk or two. Garou attitudes towards formal marriage are similarly lax, also for practical reasons.
18th Sep '16 4:00:16 PM Foxtrot
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***I would also like to add that Mr Teardrop and his two friends would like to point out that the conformist nature of the modern "PC Movement" is _very_ Weaverish in their eyes.
18th Sep '16 3:34:41 PM Foxtrot
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*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition in humans due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver in and of itself. Worse, he sees that, should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation, as humans become more and more dependent on such technology to sustain their numbers/those who would be goners if living in a non-technological world. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls. If this still bothers you, remember that Garou are NOT HUMAN, and should not be treated as such. Also keep in mind that the original role of the Garou was indeed to cull the weak from the human herd, as wolves cull the deer - the Impergium was simply their version of taking things too far when Garou thought humans were overdeveloping. What they managed to do was prevent the creation of successful city-states for several thousand years - which was the entire point of the Impergium in the first place. The point is, that some Garou of MANY tribes do think that the Impergium resulted in them staying their hand a bit too much, and neglecting their traditional role as Darwinian shepherds. It isn't so much the slaughter of "sacred human lives" that is the problem for most Garou - its how they made the mistake of going to extremes once again in refusing to go back to wise culling. - Author of that part of Book of the Weaver.

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*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition in humans due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver in and of itself. Worse, he sees that, should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation, as humans become more and more dependent on such technology to sustain their numbers/those who would be goners if living in a non-technological world. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls. If this still bothers you, remember that Garou are NOT HUMAN, and should not be treated as such. Also keep in mind that the original role of the Garou was indeed to cull the weak from the human herd, as wolves cull the deer - the Impergium was simply their version of taking things too far when Garou thought humans were overdeveloping. What they managed to do was prevent the creation of successful city-states for several thousand years - which was the entire point of the Impergium in the first place. The point is, that some Garou of MANY tribes do think that the Impergium resulted in them staying their hand a bit too much, and neglecting their traditional role as Darwinian shepherds. It isn't so much the slaughter of "sacred human lives" that is the problem for most Garou - its how they made the mistake of going to extremes once again in refusing to go back to wise culling. If you agree with wildlife managers that culling is "good for the herd", then you have no grounds to complain when another species (which is what Garou essentially are) decide that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Who are Garou to judge what individuals aren't "fit"? Well, who are humans to do the same to judge individuals of other species? - Author of that part of Book of the Weaver.
18th Sep '16 3:24:22 PM Foxtrot
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*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition in humans due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver in and of itself. Worse, he sees that, should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation, as humans become more and more dependent on such technology to sustain their numbers/those who would be goners if living in a non-technological world. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls. If this still bothers you, remember that Garou are NOT HUMAN, and should not be treated as such. Also keep in mind that the original role of the Garou was indeed to cull the weak from the human herd, as wolves cull the deer - the Impergium was simply their version of taking things too far when Garou thought humans were overdeveloping. The point is, that some Garou of MANY tribes do think that the Impergium resulted in them staying their hand a bit too much, and neglecting their traditional role as Darwinian shepherds. It isn't so much the slaughter of "sacred human lives" that is the problem for most Garou - its how they made the mistake of going to extremes once again in refusing to go back to wise culling. - Author of that part of Book of the Weaver.

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*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition in humans due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver in and of itself. Worse, he sees that, should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation, as humans become more and more dependent on such technology to sustain their numbers/those who would be goners if living in a non-technological world. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls. If this still bothers you, remember that Garou are NOT HUMAN, and should not be treated as such. Also keep in mind that the original role of the Garou was indeed to cull the weak from the human herd, as wolves cull the deer - the Impergium was simply their version of taking things too far when Garou thought humans were overdeveloping. What they managed to do was prevent the creation of successful city-states for several thousand years - which was the entire point of the Impergium in the first place. The point is, that some Garou of MANY tribes do think that the Impergium resulted in them staying their hand a bit too much, and neglecting their traditional role as Darwinian shepherds. It isn't so much the slaughter of "sacred human lives" that is the problem for most Garou - its how they made the mistake of going to extremes once again in refusing to go back to wise culling. - Author of that part of Book of the Weaver.
18th Sep '16 3:22:19 PM Foxtrot
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*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver. Should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls. If this still bothers you, remember that Garou are NOT HUMAN, and should not be treated as such. Also keep in mind that the original role of the Garou was indeed to cull the weak from the human herd, as wolves cull the deer - the Impergium was simply their version of taking things too far when Garou thought humans were overdeveloping. The point is, that some Garou of MANY tribes do think that the Impergium resulted in them staying their hand a bit too much, and neglecting their traditional role as Darwinian shepherds. It isn't so much the slaughter of "sacred human lives" that is the problem for most Garou - its how they made the mistake of going to extremes once again in refusing to go back to wise culling. - Author of that part of Book of the Weaver.

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*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition in humans due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver. Should Weaver in and of itself. Worse, he sees that, should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation.generation, as humans become more and more dependent on such technology to sustain their numbers/those who would be goners if living in a non-technological world. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls. If this still bothers you, remember that Garou are NOT HUMAN, and should not be treated as such. Also keep in mind that the original role of the Garou was indeed to cull the weak from the human herd, as wolves cull the deer - the Impergium was simply their version of taking things too far when Garou thought humans were overdeveloping. The point is, that some Garou of MANY tribes do think that the Impergium resulted in them staying their hand a bit too much, and neglecting their traditional role as Darwinian shepherds. It isn't so much the slaughter of "sacred human lives" that is the problem for most Garou - its how they made the mistake of going to extremes once again in refusing to go back to wise culling. - Author of that part of Book of the Weaver.
18th Sep '16 1:43:16 PM Foxtrot
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**Homosexuality has never been banned in Garou culture, though some individuals and Tribes may view it with more distaste than others. Dedicated homosexuality, however, is _strongly_ discouraged, for practical reasons of species survival. You can be as gay as you like, but you will be expected to at least _try_ to produce at least a kinfolk or two. Garou attitudes towards formal marriage are similarly lax, also for practical reasons.
18th Sep '16 1:02:02 PM Foxtrot
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**The Ajaba are,in fact, Ethan Skemp's "Take That" at the "uppity" lions in The Lion King.
18th Sep '16 12:55:55 PM Foxtrot
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*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver. Should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls. If this still bothers you, remember that Garou are NOT HUMAN, and should not be treated as such. Also keep in mind that the original role of the Garou was indeed to cull the weak from the human herd, as wolves cull the deer - the Impergium was simply their version of taking things too far when Garou thought humans were overdeveloping. The point is, that some Garou of MANY tribes do think that the Impergium resulted in them staying their hand a bit too much, and neglecting their traditional role as Darwinian shepherds. - Author of that part of Book of the Weaver.

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*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver. Should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls. If this still bothers you, remember that Garou are NOT HUMAN, and should not be treated as such. Also keep in mind that the original role of the Garou was indeed to cull the weak from the human herd, as wolves cull the deer - the Impergium was simply their version of taking things too far when Garou thought humans were overdeveloping. The point is, that some Garou of MANY tribes do think that the Impergium resulted in them staying their hand a bit too much, and neglecting their traditional role as Darwinian shepherds. It isn't so much the slaughter of "sacred human lives" that is the problem for most Garou - its how they made the mistake of going to extremes once again in refusing to go back to wise culling. - Author of that part of Book of the Weaver.
18th Sep '16 12:53:30 PM Foxtrot
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*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver. Should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls. If this still bothers you, remember that Garou are NOT HUMAN, and should not be treated as such. - Author of that part of Book of the Weaver.

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*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver. Should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls. If this still bothers you, remember that Garou are NOT HUMAN, and should not be treated as such. Also keep in mind that the original role of the Garou was indeed to cull the weak from the human herd, as wolves cull the deer - the Impergium was simply their version of taking things too far when Garou thought humans were overdeveloping. The point is, that some Garou of MANY tribes do think that the Impergium resulted in them staying their hand a bit too much, and neglecting their traditional role as Darwinian shepherds. - Author of that part of Book of the Weaver.
18th Sep '16 12:47:10 PM Foxtrot
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*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver. Should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls.

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*** Note that Antonine is concerned that the deteriorating genetic condition due to Weaver wonders serves to do little more in the long run than make them bigger thralls to the Weaver. Should the technological safety web ever collapse, massive human dieback and suffering will be a given, and that gets worse with every generation. He's basically using the exact same reasoning on humans as humans use on wildlife to justify culls. If this still bothers you, remember that Garou are NOT HUMAN, and should not be treated as such. - Author of that part of Book of the Weaver.
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