History YMMV / WallStreet

2nd Dec '15 12:38:37 PM Berrenta
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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome:
** "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaKkuJVy2YA Greed, for lack of a better word, is good]]".
** Bud using every trick Gekko taught him to ruin Gekko himself.
9th Nov '15 4:13:27 PM PaulA
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: While the movie goes to great length to depict the despicability of corporate raiding, it nevertheless motivated many aspiring young men with flexible morals to get into the exchange business.
25th Jul '15 9:39:29 AM Pren
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* HilariousInHindsight: Michael Douglas and James Spader would later join the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Douglas as Hank Pym and Spader as Ultron. Partially averted in that Pym builds Ultron in the comics, but not in the movies.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Michael Douglas and James Spader would later join the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Douglas as Hank Pym and Spader as Ultron. Partially averted in that Pym builds Ultron in the comics, but not in the movies. The OurFounder portrait of Pym in a suit is particularly amusing.
22nd Jul '15 12:43:37 AM LordMortis
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* HilariousInHindsight: Michael Douglas and James Spader would later join the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Douglas as Hank Pym and Spader as Ultron. Partially averted in that Pym builds Ultron in the comics, but not in the movies.



** For the comic book fans, we have [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan Uncle Ben]] as Bud's father, and [[Film/AvengersAgeofUltron Ultron]] as Roger Barnes.

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** For the comic book fans, we have [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan Uncle Ben]] as Bud's father, and [[Film/AvengersAgeofUltron Ultron]] as Roger Barnes.Barnes and [[Film/AntMan Hank Pym]] as Gordon Gekko.
28th May '15 8:41:27 AM matt3291992
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** [[Film/KillBill Elle Driver]] as Bud's girlfriend.
** [[Film/AceVenturaPetDetective Lois Einhorn/Ray Finkle]] as Gekko's wife.
** For the comic book fans, we have [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan Uncle Ben]] as Bud's father, and [[Film/AvengersAgeofUltron Ultron]] as Roger Barnes.
16th Apr '15 8:11:31 AM Morgenthaler
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Gordon Gecko's inexplicable HeelFaceTurn in the last five minutes of ''WallStreetMoneyNeverSleeps'' caught many audience members off guard. However, a less charitable reading of it would be that Gordon is simply ''buying'' his family back. He loses almost nothing since the investment money he uses has already served his purposes and the fusion project is stated to be a sound investment. It wins him back his daughter's respect and the eternal loyalty of his future-son-in-law. MagnificentBastard indeed.
** Gordon may also simply be what he appears to be, a very unethical corporate shark who, nevertheless has some ethical lines he won't cross. Which makes him better than 90% of the traders in the ''modern'' Wall Street.
* {{Anvilicious}}: There is only one reason and one reason alone Gordon Gekko gives the "Zero Sum Game" and "Richest One Percent" speeches in the scene where Bud finally confronts him: Stone really seemed to feel the need to lecture the audience about the disturbing power and influence of corporate raiders like Gekko. Story-wise, there's no reason at all Gekko would suddenly lecture Bud on the subject.
** [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped Of course]], given Gekko's MisaimedFandom...
* DracoInLeatherPants: Many consider Gordon Gekko's "[[http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechwallstreet.html Greed Is Good]]" speech to be brilliant.
** Incidentally, this has [[MisaimedFandom seriously disturbed]] [[ArtistDisillusionment one of the scriptwriters]], Stanley Weiser.
* MagnificentBastard: Gordon Gekko, who else?
* MisaimedFandom: Michael Douglas said that every time a broker said he went to Wall Street after seeing him as Gordon Gekko, he gets a little sad.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Gordon Gecko's inexplicable HeelFaceTurn in the last five minutes of ''WallStreetMoneyNeverSleeps'' caught many audience members off guard. However, a less charitable reading of it would be that Gordon is simply ''buying'' his family back. He loses almost nothing since the investment money he uses has already served his purposes and the fusion project is stated to be a sound investment. It wins him back his daughter's respect and the eternal loyalty of his future-son-in-law. MagnificentBastard indeed.
** Gordon may also simply be what he appears to be, a very unethical corporate shark who, nevertheless has some ethical lines he won't cross. Which makes him better than 90% of the traders in the ''modern'' Wall Street.
* {{Anvilicious}}: There is only one reason and one reason alone Gordon Gekko gives the "Zero Sum Game" and "Richest One Percent" speeches in the scene where Bud finally confronts him: Stone really seemed to feel the need to lecture the audience about the disturbing power and influence of corporate raiders like Gekko. Story-wise, there's no reason at all Gekko would suddenly lecture Bud on the subject.
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subject. [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped Of course]], given Gekko's MisaimedFandom...
* DracoInLeatherPants: Many consider Gordon Gekko's "[[http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechwallstreet.html Greed Is Good]]" speech to be brilliant. \n** Incidentally, this has [[MisaimedFandom seriously disturbed]] [[ArtistDisillusionment one of the scriptwriters]], Stanley Weiser.
* MagnificentBastard: Gordon Gekko, who else?
* MisaimedFandom:
MisaimedFandom:
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Michael Douglas said that every time a broker said he went to Wall Street after seeing him as Gordon Gekko, he gets a little sad.



** The sequel has Creator/CharlieSheen's cameo as Bud Fox. Also, Creator/EliWallach as "Julie", the [[strike:nonagenarian]] centennial banker.
* RetroactiveRecognition: [[{{Scrubs}} Dr. Cox]] works with Bud Fox.

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* RetroactiveRecognition:
** The sequel has Creator/CharlieSheen's cameo as Bud Fox. Also, Creator/EliWallach as "Julie", the [[strike:nonagenarian]] centennial banker.
* RetroactiveRecognition: [[{{Scrubs}}
[[Series/{{Scrubs}} Dr. Cox]] works with Bud Fox.



* StopHavingFunGuys: Transport the venue from video games to high finance and you have a ''perfect'' analysis of Gordon Gekko.
** Elaborated on in the sequel, in a way. In a speech, Gekko clarifies the point made in his famous earlier speech. It amounts to a gentle denunciation of [[StupidEvil stupid greed.]] The villain of the film could've been any one of Gekko's many young acolytes who didn't understand that crucial distinction. [[FridgeBrilliance This may be why]], in his famous first speech, he says "Greed, ''for lack of a better word,'' is good."
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Debatably. Gordon's "Greed is Good" speech arguably counts as having a point, but he doesn't really fit the strawman aspect, as the film's creators denied that they intended an AuthorTract against capitalism. Kind of complicating things, is that as noted above, Gordon's actions weren't actually criminal at the time the film was set (although they were by the time it was made), although they could still be considered unethical. All in all, Gekko was definitely not intended to be a positive character, but it does not make his business ideas and practices reprehensible per se.

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* StopHavingFunGuys: Transport the venue from video games to high finance and you have a ''perfect'' analysis of Gordon Gekko.
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Gekko. Elaborated on in the sequel, in a way. In a speech, Gekko clarifies the point made in his famous earlier speech. It amounts to a gentle denunciation of [[StupidEvil stupid greed.]] The villain of the film could've been any one of Gekko's many young acolytes who didn't understand that crucial distinction. [[FridgeBrilliance This may be why]], in his famous first speech, he says "Greed, ''for lack of a better word,'' is good."
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Debatably. StrawmanHasAPoint:
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Gordon's "Greed is Good" speech arguably counts as having a has an (albeit often misinterpreted) point, but he doesn't really fit the strawman aspect, as the film's creators denied that they intended an AuthorTract against capitalism. Kind of complicating things, is that as noted above, Gordon's actions weren't actually criminal at the time the film was set (although they were by the time it was made), although they could still be considered unethical. All in all, Gekko was definitely not intended to be a positive character, but it does not make his business ideas and practices reprehensible per se.
7th Feb '15 12:49:41 PM Brainbin
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** Perhaps the biggest point people agree with Gordon on was his casually mentioning how all of the C.E.Os who were fighting his takeover had very little to lose, as they had minimal investment in the company itself - as in, if the company sank, they'd have an escape-route, while the average worker (or shareholder) wouldn't. On top of this, he points out that the company in question (Teldar Paper) has ''thirty-three'' Vice-Presidents, each one drawing a $200,000/yr salary in a time when the company had posted a $110,000,000 loss the year before[[note]] 200K x 33 = 6.6 Million, meaning .5% of that debt wouldn't have been there[[/note]], and even though he's been researching the company for a year, he still doesn't know what all of them do.


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** Perhaps the biggest point people agree with Gordon on was his casually mentioning how all of the C.E.Os who were fighting his takeover had very little to lose, as they had minimal investment in the company itself - as in, if the company sank, they'd have an escape-route, while the average worker (or shareholder) wouldn't. On top of this, he points out that the company in question (Teldar Paper) has ''thirty-three'' Vice-Presidents, each one drawing a $200,000/yr salary in a time when the company had posted a $110,000,000 loss the year before[[note]] 200K x 33 = 6.6 Million, meaning .5% meaning 6% of that debt wouldn't have been there[[/note]], and even though he's been researching the company for a year, he still doesn't know what all of them do.

9th Jan '15 10:56:56 AM PatPayne
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** Gekko became this for many Soviet audiences. The USSR had allowed the film in, believing that Stone's vision of capatalists like Gekko aligned with their own propaganda concerning the US. However, many Soviet citizens, fed up with decades of economic privation in a failed command economy, actually cheered him on and considered him a hero.


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** Soviet audiences became one of these for Gekko in the last years of the Soviet Union, at least according to David Remnick's "Lenin's Tomb.". The USSR had allowed the film in for limited screenings to Communist students at the Higher Party School in Moscow, believing that Stone's vision of capatalists like Gekko aligned with their own propaganda concerning the US. However, those same communists, fed up with decades of economic privation in a failed command economy, actually cheered him on and considered him a hero.
9th Jan '15 10:50:44 AM PatPayne
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** Gekko became this for many Soviet audiences. The USSR had allowed the film in, believing that Stone's vision of capatalists like Gekko aligned with their own propaganda concerning the US. However, many Soviet citizens, fed up with decades of economic privation in a failed command economy, actually cheered him on and considered him a hero.
1st Oct '14 1:06:44 PM wittylibrarian
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Gordon Gecko's inexplicable HeelFaceTurn in the last five minutes of ''WallstreetMoneyNeverSleeps'' caught many audience members off guard. However, a less charitable reading of it would be that Gordon is simply ''buying'' his family back. He loses almost nothing since the investment money he uses has already served his purposes and the fusion project is stated to be a sound investment. It wins him back his daughter's respect and the eternal loyalty of his future-son-in-law. MagnificentBastard indeed.
** Gordon may also simply be what he appears to be, a very unethical corporate shark who, nevertheless has some ethical lines he won't cross. Which makes him better than 90% of the traders in the ''modern'' Wallstreet.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Gordon Gecko's inexplicable HeelFaceTurn in the last five minutes of ''WallstreetMoneyNeverSleeps'' ''WallStreetMoneyNeverSleeps'' caught many audience members off guard. However, a less charitable reading of it would be that Gordon is simply ''buying'' his family back. He loses almost nothing since the investment money he uses has already served his purposes and the fusion project is stated to be a sound investment. It wins him back his daughter's respect and the eternal loyalty of his future-son-in-law. MagnificentBastard indeed.
** Gordon may also simply be what he appears to be, a very unethical corporate shark who, nevertheless has some ethical lines he won't cross. Which makes him better than 90% of the traders in the ''modern'' Wallstreet.Wall Street.
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