Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / Velma

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Many viewers, especially long-time ''Scooby-Doo'' fans, were displeased with the changes made to the Mystery Inc Gang--especially as most of them undergo personality shifts that result in a major case of AdaptationalJerkass--to the point that some view the group as being their characters InNameOnly.

to:

** Many viewers, especially long-time ''Scooby-Doo'' fans, were displeased with the changes made to the Mystery Inc Gang--especially as most of them undergo personality shifts that result in a major case of AdaptationalJerkass--to the point that some view the group as being their characters InNameOnly. Velma herself in particular has been criticized for just being a rehash of characters played previously by Mindy Kaling, and when written by her frequent collaborator, Charlie Grandy, that she's virtually unrecognizable from any other version of Velma Dinkley.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* RootingForTheEmpire: Considering how hated Velma is, many want to see the various villains triumph over her.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
examples shouldn't be added until FIVE YEARS after release (for episodic works, that's five years from the installment with the twist).


* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:Velma was killed by Scrappy in the Season 2 finale]]. Many viewers had spoiled the outcome in social media, make it one of the most well-known pieces of the show.

to:

* %%* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:Velma was killed by Scrappy in the Season 2 finale]]. Many viewers had spoiled the outcome in social media, make it one of the most well-known pieces of the show.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Fred and Norville are two of the more popular characters, even among the show's hatedom. Despite Fred being a bigoted douchebag and Norville being a pathetic simp, they're still largely considered more likable than Velma and Daphne.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** In the Season 2 finale, [[spoiler:Velma's spirit being able to possess Scrappy's body and overpower his spirit. This has quite a number of factors they expect us to swallow; Velma coming back when she did as opposed to Victoria comic back days at least and weeks at most. Velma realising and accepting she's a ghost in a timely manner. Velma knowing she can possess people, as she was not there when Victoria revealed herself as a ghost. And that possessing Scrappy would be the way to beat him. It's really something when "teen girl defeats super soldier dog by possessing him" is the least stupid part of that scenario]].

to:

** In the Season 2 finale, [[spoiler:Velma's spirit being able to possess Scrappy's body and overpower his spirit. This has quite a number of factors they expect us to swallow; Velma coming back when she did as opposed to Victoria comic coming back days at least and weeks at most. Velma realising and accepting she's a ghost in a timely manner. Velma knowing she can possess people, as she was not there when Victoria revealed herself as a ghost. And that possessing Scrappy would be the way to beat him. It's really something when "teen girl defeats super soldier dog by possessing him" is the least stupid part of that scenario]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Rescued From The Scrappy Heap requires a waiting period of at least three months.


* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: [[spoiler:The TropeNamer himself literally wound up becoming this when he killed Velma in the Season 2 finale.]]

Added: 157

Removed: 179

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Daphne's subplot of looking for her real parents has been heavily criticized for being a repeat of Mystery Incorporated's subplot of Fred looking for his.



* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: Daphne's subplot of looking for her real parents has been heavily criticized for being a repeat of Mystery Incorporated's subplot of Fred looking for his.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Null edit


** In the Season 2 finale, [[spoiler:Velma's spirit being able to possess Scrappy's body and overpower his spirit despite Velma being a normal teenage girl and Scrappy being a super soldier]].

to:

** In the Season 2 finale, [[spoiler:Velma's spirit being able to possess Scrappy's body and overpower his spirit despite spirit. This has quite a number of factors they expect us to swallow; Velma being a normal teenage girl coming back when she did as opposed to Victoria comic back days at least and weeks at most. Velma realising and accepting she's a ghost in a timely manner. Velma knowing she can possess people, as she was not there when Victoria revealed herself as a ghost. And that possessing Scrappy being a would be the way to beat him. It's really something when "teen girl defeats super soldier]].soldier dog by possessing him" is the least stupid part of that scenario]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** This show's Fred might be the most polarizing take on the character yet. Many older fans regard him as the worst version of the character yet for turning him into a {{Manchild}} ButtMonkey that lacks any of the positive attributes or abilities that characterized the character in other iterations and for constantly holding the StrawmanBall. With that said, he has some defenders who felt he was the only main character that was actually improving on his flaws through the season, with Creator/GlennHowerton's performance being seen as a highlight, not to mention many viewers felt [[DesignatedMonkey he suffered way more than he deserved]] giving him some JerkassWoobie points.

to:

** This show's Fred might be the most polarizing take on the character yet. Many older fans regard him as the worst version of the character yet for turning him into a {{Manchild}} ButtMonkey that lacks any [[AdaptationalWimp most of the positive attributes or abilities that characterized the character in other iterations iterations]] and for constantly holding the StrawmanBall. With that said, he has some defenders who felt he was [[CharacterDevelopment the only main character that was actually improving on his flaws through the season, season]], with Creator/GlennHowerton's performance being seen as a highlight, highlight by many viewers, not to mention many viewers felt [[DesignatedMonkey he suffered way more than he deserved]] giving him some JerkassWoobie points.

Added: 1552

Changed: 525

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BaseBreakingCharacter: Fred and Norville's reception has been pretty mixed. Some people view them as some of the more likable characters of the show, citing Fred actually trying to better himself as the season goes on and Norville just generally being more of a NiceGuy than most of the other cast. But others have pointed out that just because Fred comes off as UnintentionallySympathetic that doesn't automatically make him likable and Norville began to lose a lot of support after his relationship with Gigi ended up showcasing his worst traits.

to:

* BaseBreakingCharacter: Fred and Norville's reception has been pretty mixed. Some people view them BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Norville. Early reviews regarded him
as some one of the more likable characters show's few standouts for [[NiceGuy being one of the show, citing Fred actually trying to better himself as the season goes few likeable characters]], his CharacterDevelopment where he starts putting limits on and Norville just generally being more of a NiceGuy than most of the other cast. But others have pointed out that just because Fred comes off as UnintentionallySympathetic that doesn't automatically make him likable and Norville began to lose a lot of support after his relationship with Velma (including his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech in episode 9, which many detractors found cathartic), and proving to be a HyperCompetentSidekick in contrast to Shaggy's usual LovableCoward personality. However, his reception started to get more mixed as the season progressed, with many stopping having sympathy for him, thanks to his poor treatment of Gigi ended up showcasing his and how constantly he prioritizes Velma over everyone else, which makes some viewers question how much he has truly changed. There's also [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks some purist fans who dislike how little he resembles Shaggy]], feeling he could have been a CanonForeigner and nothing would have changed.
** This show's Fred might be the most polarizing take on the character yet. Many older fans regard him as the
worst traits.version of the character yet for turning him into a {{Manchild}} ButtMonkey that lacks any of the positive attributes or abilities that characterized the character in other iterations and for constantly holding the StrawmanBall. With that said, he has some defenders who felt he was the only main character that was actually improving on his flaws through the season, with Creator/GlennHowerton's performance being seen as a highlight, not to mention many viewers felt [[DesignatedMonkey he suffered way more than he deserved]] giving him some JerkassWoobie points.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FanonDiscontinuity: In the Season 2 finale [[spoiler: Scrappy-Doo killing Velma became a popular plot point thanks to the unpopularity of the character and the series, not to mention Scrappy-Doo fans [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap who found this moment vindictive]], however very few viewers seem to acknowledge that after that, her spirit ends up killing Scrappy-Doo and that the season ends in a SequelHook over Amber making a plan to bring her back to life, prefering an ending where [[TheBadGuyWins Scrappy wins]] and Velma is KilledOffForReal]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** In the Season 2 finale, [[spoiler:Velma's spirit being able to possess Scrappy's body and overpower his spirit despite Velma being a normal teenage girl and Scrappy being a super soldier]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:Velma was killed by Scrappy in the Season 2 finale]]. Many viewers had spoiled the outcome in social media, make it one of the most pieces of the show.

to:

* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:Velma was killed by Scrappy in the Season 2 finale]]. Many viewers had spoiled the outcome in social media, make it one of the most well-known pieces of the show.



* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: Many consider Velma to be the worst character in the show, even compared to the SerialKiller that is targeting teenage girls and ''removing their brains'', because Velma comes off as an unlikable main protagonist who constantly insults, uses, and manipulates everyone around her. It all culminates in the Season 1 finale, when Velma [[spoiler:twerks over the corpse of Fred's mother (the said serial killer) right in front of him and locks her father, his girlfriend, and her half-sister (who is only a baby) out of the house]].

to:

* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: Many consider Velma to be the worst character in the show, even compared to the SerialKiller that who is targeting teenage girls and ''removing their brains'', because Velma comes off as an unlikable main protagonist who constantly insults, uses, and manipulates everyone around her. It all culminates in the Season 1 finale, when Velma [[spoiler:twerks over the corpse of Fred's mother (the said serial killer) right in front of him and locks her father, his girlfriend, and her half-sister (who is only a baby) out of the house]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* GrowingTheBeard: Season 2 is not winning any awards, but it's a marked stepped up from the previous season. Velma's character development from last season has stuck, making her much less selfish and malicious. The show also drops almost all of its meta humor jokes and relies a lot less on jokes based around politics and social identity. The jokes are still hit-or-miss, but they're now more subtle and don't require the characters spelling out their references.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[foldercontrol]]

to:

[[foldercontrol]]!!YMMV Tropes with Their Own Pages
[[index]]


Added DiffLines:

[[/index]]


Added DiffLines:

[[foldercontrol]]
----

Added: 186

Changed: 96

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TakeThatScrappy: Many viewers rejoiced after Velma was, ironically, [[spoiler:killed by the TropeNamer himself.]]

to:

* TakeThatScrappy: TakeThatScrappy:
** The scene where Velma is run over by a car is one of the show's most popular scenes.
**
Many viewers rejoiced after Velma was, ironically, [[spoiler:killed by the TropeNamer himself.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Thorn's appearance in Season 2 caused plenty of vitriol for making her [[AdaptationalUgliness much visibly older and more haggard]] than any previous incarnation of the character.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Many viewers also feel the much-maligned "Meta Humor" of the show falls into this as well, with many of the jokes just being the characters commenting on cliches before going through with them anyway (such as the infamous opening scene where Daphne and the popular girls discuss nudity in television pilots while being nude and showering themselves), referencing a hyper-specific piece of media and acting it defines the entire genre, or worse making up tropes and cliches.Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn
** The ultimate villain of Season 2 being [[spoiler:a monstrous evil Scrappy-Doo as a [[TakeThatScrappy metatextual nod]] to [[TheScrappy his infamous reputation]], down to Velma taunting him with the line "This is the last Saturday morning you'll ever ruin!" can be seen as this, as the ''Scooby-Doo'' fandom in general [[VindicatedByHistory no longer hates Scrappy nearly as much as they used to for various reasons]], and besides that, this '''exact same joke''' [[Film/ScoobyDoo was already done in 2002]], and even ''then'' fans didn't find it particularly funny.]]

to:

** Many viewers also feel the much-maligned "Meta Humor" of the show falls into this as well, with many of the jokes just being the characters commenting on cliches before going through with them anyway (such as the infamous opening scene where Daphne and the popular girls discuss nudity in television pilots while being nude and showering themselves), referencing a hyper-specific piece of media and acting it defines the entire genre, or worse making up tropes and cliches.Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn
cliches.
** The ultimate villain of Season 2 being [[spoiler:a monstrous evil Scrappy-Doo as a [[TakeThatScrappy metatextual nod]] to [[TheScrappy his infamous reputation]], down to Velma taunting him with the line "This is the last Saturday morning you'll ever ruin!" can be seen as this, as the ''Scooby-Doo'' fandom in general [[VindicatedByHistory [[CharacterPerceptionEvolution no longer hates Scrappy nearly as much as they used to for various reasons]], and besides that, this '''exact same joke''' [[Film/ScoobyDoo was already done in 2002]], and even ''then'' fans didn't find it particularly funny.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** [[WesternAnimation/PussInBootsTheLastWish Jack Horner]] is more likeable than Velma.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Due to Velma being a DesignatedHero for much of the audience, some people have gone as far as to claim that [[BeyondRedemption unrepentant]] and [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] Jack Horner from ''Puss In Boots: The Last Wish'' was a more likeable character than this version of Velma, since he's deliberately cast as a LoveToHate character as opposed to Velma, who the narrative wants the audience to sympathize with on occasion despite how awful she can be.[[/labelnote]]

to:

** [[WesternAnimation/PussInBootsTheLastWish Jack Horner]] is more likeable than Velma.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Due to Velma being a DesignatedHero for much of the audience, some people have gone as far as to claim that [[BeyondRedemption unrepentant]] and [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] Jack Horner from ''Puss In Boots: The Last Wish'' was a more likeable character than this version of Velma, since he's deliberately cast as a LoveToHate character as opposed to Velma, who the narrative wants the audience to sympathize with on occasion despite how awful she can be.[[/labelnote]] While Velma and [=PiB:TLW=] are completely different shows/movies, this comparision is made because they were released around the same time[[/labelnote]]

Added: 307

Changed: 209

Removed: 4169

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** In the days before and after its premiere, several meta examples emerged in social media discussions of the series. The most common and benign of these theories is that ''Velma'' was meant to be an original IP that only had the ''Scooby-Doo'' characters [[DolledUpInstallment attached for brand recognition.]]

to:

** In the days before and after its premiere, several meta examples emerged in social media discussions of the series. The most common and benign of these theories is that ''Velma'' was meant to be an original IP that only had the ''Scooby-Doo'' characters [[DolledUpInstallment attached for brand recognition.]]recognition]]. Similarly, it is theorized that the new incarnations are based on their voice actors rather than their cartoon counterparts (e.g. Velma is based on Kaling, Fred is based on Howerton, etc.).



*EthnicScrappy: The Daphne/Velma romance is this to queer fans. While it's touted as a "representation" moment, many people (both queer and heterosexual) disliked it because Velma acts like a vindictive, creepy CrazyJealousGuy to Daphne, and Daphne kissed Velma when she was in the middle of a panic attack.



* OlderThanTheyThink:
** This isn't the first time Velma has been portrayed by (or as) a nonwhite person. She's previously been played by Hayley Kiyoko (who is of Japanese descent) in the Creator/CartoonNetwork live-action films, ''[[Film/ScoobyDooTheMysteryBegins The Mystery Begins]]'' (2009) and ''[[Film/ScoobyDooCurseOfTheLakeMonster Curse of the Lake Monster]]'' (2010), and voiced by Latina Creator/GinaRodriguez in 2020's ''WesternAnimation/{{Scoob}}'' The same also with Daphne being either non-white or mixed-race and portrayed by actors who are the same; in the live-action ''Film/DaphneAndVelma'', she is played by mixed-race Creator/SarahJeffery.
** A ''Scooby-Doo'' spin-off without the titular Great Dane isn't new. The film ''Film/DaphneAndVelma'' was the first to lack the character, as it only focuses on the titular women in their pre-Mystery Inc. days, with Shaggy and Fred also not being present.
** Quite a few people are under the impression ''Velma'' changed Shaggy's name to Norville. Shaggy's real name being Norville has been an element of the franchise since ''WesternAnimation/APupNamedScoobyDoo'' in the late 1980s. This is just the first time it hasn't been treated as an unspoken EmbarrassingFirstName.
** This is not the first official piece of ''Scooby-Doo!'' media to be geared towards adult audiences. The characters appeared in the ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' crossover episode "[[Recap/SupernaturalS13E16ScoobyNatural ScoobyNatural]]", in which the Winchesters and Castiel are sent into the classic ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooWhereAreYou Where Are You]]'' series by a ghost and the bleed-over effect from "real life" causes it to become filled with murder, gore, and the gang getting badly injured by things they themselves note they usually bounce back from. The ''Scooby'' characters also made appearances in ''WesternAnimation/HarveyBirdmanAttorneyAtLaw'' over a decade prior to that, with Scooby and Shaggy being arrested for suspected drug use in one episode.
** Velma being slightly overweight goes back to the classic era of the franchise, with ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooWhereAreYou'', where she was depicted as such. Velma only became slimmer after the franchise's revival in the late 1990s.
** This isn't the first time that Creator/FrankWelker hasn't been the voice of Fred in a television installment of the series. Welker was also replaced as Fred in ''A Pup Named Scooby-Doo'', with him similarly having a RemakeCameo in form of being Fred's uncle Eddie.
** This series' Velma is shown to be a ''WesternAnimation/{{Daria}}''-esque DeadpanSnarker, which has rubbed some fans as an unusual characterization choice. While her snark intensity [[DependingOnTheWriter depends]] on the writer and series, interpretations starting from the 2000s have explored this side of her, along with her hard appeal to science and supernatural denial. ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated Mystery Incorporated]]'', in particular, has Velma as her most ''Daria''-esque but mellows out over the course of the series.
** The premise of Mystery Inc. gang dealing with mass violence and killing had been done in the ''ComicBook/ScoobyApocalypse'' comics.
** The idea of a Scooby-Doo entry having SelfReferentialHumor, AffectionateParody, or playing around with MetaConcepts of the franchise is as old as 1983's ''WesternAnimation/TheNewScoobyAndScrappyDooShow'', with every entry since also playing around with franchise staples to varying degrees.
** Viewers who watched the show have criticized it over the fact Velma, Fred, and Daphne have gone through AdaptationalJerkass. However, there has quite a few adaptations in which the trio are depicted as much meaner than their usual baselines, the most notable being the first live-action film where they all spend a large portion arguing with one another, and Fred in particular is presented as being a narcissistic jock like his ''Velma'' incarnation.
** Velma and Daphne being former friends before Daphne became an alpha bitch was tackled much more seriously in the first ''[[Literature/DaphneAndVelma2020 Daphne and Velma]]'' YA novel, ''The Vanishing Girl'', by Josephine Ruby.



* RonTheDeathEater: While the characters are terrible in canon, Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn ramps it up by rewriting Velma as a rapist. Look it up at your own discretion, but a lot of fics in the "Velma (Cartoon 2023)" tag are tagged "rape". This is likely because as stated in HarsherInHindsight, Mindy Kaling (who 2023 Velma is based on) also admitted to sexually harassing a coworker.

to:

* RonTheDeathEater: While the characters are terrible in canon, Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn ramps it up by rewriting Velma as a rapist. Look it up at your own discretion, but a lot of fics in the "Velma (Cartoon 2023)" tag are tagged "rape". This is likely because as stated in HarsherInHindsight, Mindy Kaling (who 2023 Velma is based on) also admitted to sexually harassing a coworker.



* TakeThatScrappy: Many viewers rejoiced after Velma was, ironically, killed by the TropeNamer himself.

to:

* TakeThatScrappy: Many viewers rejoiced after Velma was, ironically, killed [[spoiler:killed by the TropeNamer himself.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*FandomSpecificPlot:
** A common AlternativeCharacterInterpretation of Velma is that she has a "RaceFetish", because she complains about white men all the time, but is instantly smitten with Fred even when he is awful to her. Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn takes this concept and runs with it and several Velma fics on that site are tagged "raceplay". Just as a warning, many of these fics '''are NSFW''' and you may need BrainBleach if you look at them. Some fics also rewrite her as racist to Norville, which is why in canon she treats him badly.
**Because Norville is one of the few characters in the show who doesn't induce TooBleakStoppedCaring, many fans write fics where he stands up to Velma's abhorrent behaviour and stops being her friend.



*RonTheDeathEater: While the characters are terrible in canon, Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn ramps it up by rewriting Velma as a rapist. Look it up at your own discretion, but a lot of fics in the "Velma (Cartoon 2023)" tag are tagged "rape". This is likely because as stated in HarsherInHindsight, Mindy Kaling (who 2023 Velma is based on) also admitted to sexually harassing a coworker.



** Many viewers also feel the much-maligned "Meta Humor" of the show falls into this as well, with many of the jokes just being the characters commenting on cliches before going through with them anyway (such as the infamous opening scene where Daphne and the popular girls discuss nudity in television pilots while being nude and showering themselves), referencing a hyper-specific piece of media and acting it defines the entire genre, or worse making up tropes and cliches.

to:

** Many viewers also feel the much-maligned "Meta Humor" of the show falls into this as well, with many of the jokes just being the characters commenting on cliches before going through with them anyway (such as the infamous opening scene where Daphne and the popular girls discuss nudity in television pilots while being nude and showering themselves), referencing a hyper-specific piece of media and acting it defines the entire genre, or worse making up tropes and cliches.Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TakeThatScrappy: Many viewers rejoiced after Velma was, ironically, killed by the trope-namer himself.

to:

* TakeThatScrappy: Many viewers rejoiced after Velma was, ironically, killed by the trope-namer TropeNamer himself.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* TakeThatScrappy!: Many viewers rejoiced after Velma was, ironically, killed by the trope-namer himself.

to:

* TakeThatScrappy!: TakeThatScrappy: Many viewers rejoiced after Velma was, ironically, killed by the trope-namer himself.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added example(s)

Added DiffLines:

* TakeThatScrappy!: Many viewers rejoiced after Velma was, ironically, killed by the trope-namer himself.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** The ultimate villain of Season 2 being [[spoiler:a monstrous evil Scrappy-Doo as a [[TakeThatScrappy metatextual nod]] to [[TheScrappy his infamous reputation]], down to Velma taunting him with the line "This is the last Saturday morning you'll ever ruin!" can be seen as this, as the ''Scooby-Doo'' fandom in general [[VindicatedByHistory no longer hates Scrappy nearly as much as they used to for various reasons]], and besides that, this '''exact same joke''' [[Film/ScoobyDoo was already done in 2002]], and even ''then'' fans didn't find it particularly funny.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*[[OlderThanTheyThink/{{Velma}} Older Than They Think]]

Top