History YMMV / VForVendetta

11th Jun '18 3:59:59 AM MeaJae97
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* {{Anvilicious}}: A criticism of the movie is that it is heavy handed with BlackAndWhiteMorality.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: A criticism of the movie is that it is heavy handed with it's almost BlackAndWhiteMorality.



* DesignatedHero: Thanks to the AdaptationalHeroism and BlackAndWhiteMorality, some of V's extreme methods like [[spoiler: torture of Evey]] had been seen as this trope for the readers or [[http://www.cracked.com/article_20407_6-movie-good-guys-you-didnt-notice-were-total-hypocrites.html this article]], which the movie has been accused of ignoring the fact that V in the comic is to be interpreted other than a hero. In addition, the changes in Norsefire government's rise from them being voted in rather instead of taking power in apocalyptic Britain made entire movie's BlackAndWhiteMorality seem like [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop an acceptance to overthrow democratically elected government so long as their views are not acceptable to the revolutionary]] in contrast to the comics' portrayal of entire conflict's [[OrderVersusChaos Facism vs. Anarchy]] as GreyAndBlackMorality. Of course, this ignores that many dictatorships ''did'' come to power through at least partially democratic means, including [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany the big one]]: the word "tyrant" itself comes from the title given to a man to whom [[AncientGreece ancient Greek]] direct democracies would vote absolute power in time of war, who then often refused to relinquish said power when the fighting stopped.

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* DesignatedHero: Thanks to the AdaptationalHeroism and BlackAndWhiteMorality, some of V's extreme methods like [[spoiler: torture of Evey]] had been seen as this trope for the readers or [[http://www.cracked.com/article_20407_6-movie-good-guys-you-didnt-notice-were-total-hypocrites.html this article]], which the movie has been accused of ignoring the fact that V in the comic is to be interpreted other than a hero. In addition, the changes in Norsefire government's rise from them being voted in rather instead of taking power in apocalyptic Britain made entire movie's almost BlackAndWhiteMorality seem like [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop an acceptance to overthrow democratically elected government so long as their views are not acceptable to the revolutionary]] in contrast to the comics' portrayal of entire conflict's [[OrderVersusChaos Facism vs. Anarchy]] as GreyAndBlackMorality. Of course, this ignores that many dictatorships ''did'' come to power through at least partially democratic means, including [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany the big one]]: the word "tyrant" itself comes from the title given to a man to whom [[AncientGreece ancient Greek]] direct democracies would vote absolute power in time of war, who then often refused to relinquish said power when the fighting stopped.
22nd May '18 7:27:40 AM JamesAustin
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* HarsherInHindsight:
** Early on in the comic, what does the Voice of Fate tell its citizens? To "seize the initiative and [[{{UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump}} make Britain great again."]]
** Also didn't help that the far-right political groups in Britain have been influential enough for sizable chunks of the voter base to vote for Brexit (Britain to leave European Union) with some reasons being based on anti-immigrant xenophobia and nationalism.



* {{Narm}}: The government leader and blatant Hitler {{expy}} is named Adam ''Susan''. [[SarcasmMode Heil Susan!]] Changing it to "Sutler" in the film seems [[{{Anvilicious}} overwrought]], but at least it actually sounds ''menacing''. Likely intentional, as Susan himself is not a very impressive person.[[note]]Some have theorized this was meant as a potshot at UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan, whose last name was also universally regarded as a girl's name until his election.[[/note]]

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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
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The government leader and blatant Hitler {{expy}} is named Adam ''Susan''. [[SarcasmMode Heil Susan!]] Changing it to "Sutler" in the film seems [[{{Anvilicious}} overwrought]], as now the reference is way too obvious, but at least it actually sounds ''menacing''. Likely intentional, as Susan himself is not a very impressive person.[[note]]Some have theorized this was meant as a potshot at UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan, whose last name was also universally regarded as a girl's name until his election.[[/note]]



** Changing the villain's name from 'Susan' to 'Sutler'. Fans of the original comic feel it's {{Anvilicious}}, as the new name sounds too much like 'Hitler'. The other side argues that the new name is less heavy-handed if one doesn't know it was changed from 'Susan'. And a villain named Susan could have caused {{Narm}} when said out loud.

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** Changing the villain's name from 'Susan' to 'Sutler'. Fans of the original comic feel it's {{Anvilicious}}, as the new name sounds too much like 'Hitler'. The other side argues that the new name is less heavy-handed if one doesn't know it was changed from 'Susan'. And 'Susan', and a villain named Susan could have caused {{Narm}} when said out loud.



* CriticalResearchFailure: The Norsefire use the symbol of Cross of Lorraine. However the most famous use of the symbol is by the free French forces and the French resistance. Given those groups ''extremely'' heavy anti-fascist leanings and the simple fact that its traditionally a symbol associated with France makes it a bizarre choice for a bunch of British hyper nationalistic fascists.

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* CriticalResearchFailure: The Norsefire use the symbol of Cross of Lorraine. However the most famous use of the symbol is by the free French forces and the French resistance. Given those groups groups' ''extremely'' heavy anti-fascist leanings and the simple fact that its traditionally a symbol associated with France makes it a bizarre choice for a bunch of British hyper nationalistic fascists.



* DirectorDisplacement: The film was actually directed by Creator/JamesMcTeigue rather than the Wachowskis, though the latter did write and produce the film, and by all indications were very much in creative control throughout production.

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* DirectorDisplacement: The film was actually directed by Creator/JamesMcTeigue (in his directorial debut) rather than the Wachowskis, though the latter did write and produce the film, and by all indications were very much in creative control throughout production.



** Many contemporary British viewers felt insulted at the idea that they would vote for ObviouslyEvil [[PuttingOnTheReich Nazi expies]] in the face of terrorism. A decade later, however, a sizable chunk of Britons voted in favor of ''Brexit'' which was largely motivated by racism and encouraged by far-right leaning political groups.
*** There's quite a big difference between voting for an openly totalitarian party which ends up running concentration camps and persecuting entire groups of people to voting to leave an economic union. Regardless of your views on Brexit, the two aren't at all comparable.



** The movie has spread the misconception that November 5th, Guy Fawkes Day, honors Guy Fawkes, the plucky rebel, instead of celebrating the fact that ''England narrowly averted a terrorist attack on the capital''. It's like thinking [[TheWarOnTerror September 11th]] honors Osama Bin Laden.
*** On top of this, Fawkes wasn't the BigBad, he was TheHeavy of the operation and a somewhat incompetent version of that to boot. One of the reasons he was sent to be the triggerman was because he was deemed relatively expendable to the more important conspirators. But then I guess "Robert Catesby Mask" doesn't have the same ring to it....

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** The movie has spread the misconception that November 5th, Guy Fawkes Day, honors Guy Fawkes, the plucky rebel, instead of celebrating the fact that ''England narrowly averted a terrorist attack on the capital''. It's like thinking [[TheWarOnTerror September 11th]] honors Osama Bin Laden.
*** On top of
Laden. Adding to this, Fawkes wasn't the BigBad, mastermind, he was TheHeavy of the operation and a somewhat incompetent version of that to boot. One of the reasons he was sent to be the triggerman was because he was deemed relatively expendable to the more important conspirators. But then I guess One guesses "Robert Catesby Mask" doesn't have the same ring to it....



* ValuesDissonance: The persecution of homosexuals marks the movie as being from a time before gay rights had really been accepted. Awareness of homophobia became a hot topic in TheNewTens, and Sutter's crusade against gays would be a lot harder to accept if the film had been made today. Or at least the blatantness of it.

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* ValuesDissonance: The persecution of homosexuals marks the movie as being from a time before gay rights had really been accepted. Awareness of homophobia became a hot topic in TheNewTens, and Sutter's crusade against gays would be a lot harder to accept if the film had been made today. Or today, or at least the blatantness of it.
21st May '18 6:11:39 AM jormis29
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* DirectorDisplacement: The film was actually directed by James [=McTeigue=] rather than the Wachowskis, though the latter did write and produce the film, and by all indications were very much in creative control throughout production.

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* DirectorDisplacement: The film was actually directed by James [=McTeigue=] Creator/JamesMcTeigue rather than the Wachowskis, though the latter did write and produce the film, and by all indications were very much in creative control throughout production.
20th May '18 9:28:45 PM TheMountainKing
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** The comic's theme of Anarchism vs. Fascism has been correlated by many audience to TheNewTens' political polarization, especially between antifascist groups and the alt-right.
10th May '18 1:32:06 PM TheMountainKing
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* DesignatedHero: Thanks to the AdaptationalHeroism and BlackAndWhiteMorality, some of V's extreme methods like [[spoiler: torture of Evey]] had been seen as this trope for the readers or [[http://www.cracked.com/article_20407_6-movie-good-guys-you-didnt-notice-were-total-hypocrites.html this article]], which the movie has been accused of ignoring the fact that V in the comic is to be interpreted other than a hero. In addition, the changes in Norsefire government's rise from them being voted in rather instead of taking power in apocalyptic Britain made entire movie's BlackAndWhiteMorality seem like [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop an acceptance to overthrow democratically elected government so long as their views are not acceptable to the revolutionary]] in contrast to the comics' portrayal of entire conflict's [[OrderVersusChaos Facism vs. Anarchy]] as GreyAndGrayMorality (with V being ALighterShadeOfGrey). Of course, this ignores that many dictatorships ''did'' come to power through at least partially democratic means, including [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany the big one]]: the word "tyrant" itself comes from the title given to a man to whom [[AncientGreece ancient Greek]] direct democracies would vote absolute power in time of war, who then often refused to relinquish said power when the fighting stopped.

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* DesignatedHero: Thanks to the AdaptationalHeroism and BlackAndWhiteMorality, some of V's extreme methods like [[spoiler: torture of Evey]] had been seen as this trope for the readers or [[http://www.cracked.com/article_20407_6-movie-good-guys-you-didnt-notice-were-total-hypocrites.html this article]], which the movie has been accused of ignoring the fact that V in the comic is to be interpreted other than a hero. In addition, the changes in Norsefire government's rise from them being voted in rather instead of taking power in apocalyptic Britain made entire movie's BlackAndWhiteMorality seem like [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop an acceptance to overthrow democratically elected government so long as their views are not acceptable to the revolutionary]] in contrast to the comics' portrayal of entire conflict's [[OrderVersusChaos Facism vs. Anarchy]] as GreyAndGrayMorality (with V being ALighterShadeOfGrey).GreyAndBlackMorality. Of course, this ignores that many dictatorships ''did'' come to power through at least partially democratic means, including [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany the big one]]: the word "tyrant" itself comes from the title given to a man to whom [[AncientGreece ancient Greek]] direct democracies would vote absolute power in time of war, who then often refused to relinquish said power when the fighting stopped.
26th Apr '18 2:10:24 PM Caps-luna
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* CriticalResearchFailure: The Norsefire use the symbol of Cross of Lorraine. However the most famous use of the symbol is by the free French forces and the French resistance. Given those groups ''extremely'' heavy anti-fascist leanings and the simple fact that its traditionally a symbol associated with France makes it a bizarre choice for a bunch of British hyper nationalistic fascists.
6th Apr '18 6:47:01 AM erforce
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* HilariousInHindsight: [[{{Series/Sherlock}} Rupert Graves]] and [[Film/SherlockHolmes Eddie Marsan]] play officials within the Norsefire security forces. Both of them would play Inspector Lestrade in different adaptations of Sherlock Holmes. Especially considering Graves' character is something of The Watson.

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* HilariousInHindsight: [[{{Series/Sherlock}} Rupert Graves]] and [[Film/SherlockHolmes [[Film/SherlockHolmes2009 Eddie Marsan]] play officials within the Norsefire security forces. Both of them would play Inspector Lestrade in different adaptations of Sherlock Holmes. Especially considering Graves' character is something of The Watson.
1st Apr '18 4:23:54 PM bernardthebeanpole
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* HilariousInHindsight: [[{{Series/Sherlock}} Rupert Graves]] and [[Film/SherlockHolmes Eddie Marsan]] play officials within the Norsefire security forces. Both of them would play Inspector Lestrade in different adaptations of Sherlock Holmes.

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* HilariousInHindsight: [[{{Series/Sherlock}} Rupert Graves]] and [[Film/SherlockHolmes Eddie Marsan]] play officials within the Norsefire security forces. Both of them would play Inspector Lestrade in different adaptations of Sherlock Holmes. Especially considering Graves' character is something of The Watson.
11th Mar '18 8:48:36 AM StarSword
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* DesignatedHero: Thanks to the AdaptationalHeroism and BlackAndWhiteMorality, some of V's extreme methods like [[spoiler: torture of Evey]] had been seen as this trope for the readers or [[http://www.cracked.com/article_20407_6-movie-good-guys-you-didnt-notice-were-total-hypocrites.html this article]], which the movie has been accused of ignoring the fact that V in the comic is to be interpreted other than a hero. In addition, the changes in Norsefire government's rise from them being voted in rather instead of taking power in apocalyptic Britain made entire movie's BlackAndWhiteMorality seem like [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop an acceptance to overthrow democratically elected government so long as their views are not acceptable to the revolutionary]] in contrast to the comics' portrayal of entire conflict's [[OrderVersusChaos Facism vs. Anarchy]] as GreyAndGrayMorality (with V being ALighterShadeOfGrey). (Of course, this ignores that many dictatorships of the 20th century ''did'' come to power through at least partially democratic means, including [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany the big one]].)

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* DesignatedHero: Thanks to the AdaptationalHeroism and BlackAndWhiteMorality, some of V's extreme methods like [[spoiler: torture of Evey]] had been seen as this trope for the readers or [[http://www.cracked.com/article_20407_6-movie-good-guys-you-didnt-notice-were-total-hypocrites.html this article]], which the movie has been accused of ignoring the fact that V in the comic is to be interpreted other than a hero. In addition, the changes in Norsefire government's rise from them being voted in rather instead of taking power in apocalyptic Britain made entire movie's BlackAndWhiteMorality seem like [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop an acceptance to overthrow democratically elected government so long as their views are not acceptable to the revolutionary]] in contrast to the comics' portrayal of entire conflict's [[OrderVersusChaos Facism vs. Anarchy]] as GreyAndGrayMorality (with V being ALighterShadeOfGrey). (Of Of course, this ignores that many dictatorships of the 20th century ''did'' come to power through at least partially democratic means, including [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany the big one]].)one]]: the word "tyrant" itself comes from the title given to a man to whom [[AncientGreece ancient Greek]] direct democracies would vote absolute power in time of war, who then often refused to relinquish said power when the fighting stopped.
3rd Mar '18 10:14:22 AM smasll_lordvoice
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* MostWonderfulSound: V's vengeance-fueled roar while standing in the burning ruins of Larkhill Prison just sounds so ''epic.'' It could have been [[{{Narm}} ridiculous]] but instead it's pure '''awesome.'''
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