History YMMV / UminekoWhenTheyCry

** Battler's theory about "small bombs" became a MemeticMutation in the fandom due to how ridiculous it was. What most fans didn't realize is that Battler didn't actually ''believe'' this theory; he was just desperately fishing for ways to counter Beatrice's claims that the murders were done by magic. That still doesn't stop some fans from bringing up "SMALL BOMBS" as a way to make fun of Battler's reasoning skills.

** [[spoiler: Bernkastel crossed it in the side story "The Witches' Tanabata", where she deliberately sabotages the steadily improving relationaship between little Ange and her aunt Eva so that Ange clings to her resentment and belief that Eva murdered her family, and Eva's frustration would in turn make her more abusive towards Ange, all so that Ange could become a reliable pawn later on in her life.]]

** In [=EP6=], [[spoiler:Erika beheads five people to make sure that they're actually dead (which, it turns out, they ''weren't''). And all in order to get revenge on Battler by trapping him in a Logic Error, and when offered by Bernkastel to marry as a trophy husband, fully intends to make the transition from "intellectual rapist" to ''actual rapist'', proclaiming she'll regularly defile Battler's body and sexually humiliate him for her own pleasure, all while Beatrice will be caged up and unable to stop it. Even in-universe, Erika [[CardCarryingVillain begins to embrace the label of villain]] following this.]]

** In [=EP6=], [[spoiler:Erika beheads five people to make sure that they're actually dead (which, it turns out, they ''weren't''). And all in order to get revenge on Battler by trapping him in a Logic Error. Even in-universe, Erika [[CardCarryingVillain begins to embrace the label of villain]] following this.]]

%%** [[spoiler: Bernkastel crossed it in the side story "The Witches' Tanabata", which is where her YouBastard moment comes from.]]

** Genji's UndyingLoyalty towards Kinzo and later [[spoiler:Sayo]] may seem at times very noble were it not that [[spoiler:this leads him to assisting Sayo in keeping their fictions afloat through blackmail and threats throughout the various games, even personally committing some of the murders. Not to mention the fact that years ago, after Natsuhi accidentally pushes Lion/Sayo off the cliff, he rescues the baby with Nanjo's help and decides to hide his survival, only raise him as a girl in an orphanage that basically existed as a factory aimed at providing with constant servants for Ushiromiya family, granting her considerable, and undeserved privileges despite her clumsiness and ignorance, over the other maids there, which had the obvious consequence of leading the young Sayo to be bullied for much of her early childhood and adolescence, planning to later to reintroduce her as a true family heir, to the same people who have caused her mother's death and almost her own.]]

** [[spoiler:The culprit, Sayo Yasuda, and by extensions their characters Beatrice, Shannon and Kanon. Although undeniably not without legitimate problems and reasons to hate Kinzo and his children, they have been planning a family mass murder-suicide, also killing those who are unrelated to their issues or even sympathize with them. Primarily because Battler, back then a teenager with hormones, has made a romantic promise to them and forgot about it. Yasuda is even explicitly told it's not uncommon with boys, and they are aware Battler has became preoccupied with a drama with his dad. Yet, they romance both George and Jessica using different personas, while still waiting for Battler, and have been using Maria's problems with [[AbusiveMom Rosa]] and her love for magic to slowly shape her into an accomplice for murders under false promises. As Beatrice, she grinds Battler through hell, metaphorically and literally several times, while mocking any regards for human life or decency, yet feels offended when he still doesn't understand what she wants because she wouldn't tell. Yet, the narrative insists that Battler was actually the one torturing her, and he himself believes so and even marries her in the Meta-World. After Bernkastel takes over, her portrayal becomes nothing but heroic and tragic. Many readers have accused Creator/Ryukishi07 of emotional manipulation to sympathize, pity and love a serial killer, who's stated problem comes more from their own misunderstanding.]]

* CaptainObviousReveal: Many players have made the correct guess about the culprit's identity and methods by the middle of [=EP3=], once [[spoiler:SplitPersonality and UnreliableNarrator]] are brought up as concepts, after already checking if [[spoiler:TwinSwitch and gold as a bribe]] fit in, which in turn answers how most of the murders are done. Many players have also noticed the trick [=EP5=] used trying to hide that, confirming it further.

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* AbandonShipping: The Ange × Amakusa ship was initially fairly popular... until it was revealed [[spoiler:that Amakusa was the one who mercilessly killed Ange in Episode 4.]] Well, ''some'' of the crew members jumped ship, but not all, mind you. [[spoiler: The relationship is even ambiguously canonized by the characters' final profiles released in 2013.]]
* AdaptationDisplacement: This happened when the anime first aired, due to the usual situation where anime is widely watched while visual novels are a niche market. But the anime quickly gained a reputation for being a ''very'' bad adaptation, having the dubious honor of being voted Worst Anime of 2009 by 2chan. Due to abysmally low DVD sales (less than 600 copies), Chiru never got an adaptation as a result, though the price of said [=DVDs=] certainly didn't help.[[note]]Approximately $80 for a 2 episode disc. The show had 26 episodes; what exactly were they expecting?[[/note]] The original visual novels have since gained more prominence over its anime adaptation, especially since Witch Hunt's English FanTranslation started before the anime aired, and the manga adaptation has attracted more fans since it offers a completed story.
* {{Adorkable}}: Like [[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Mion]], Jessica goes from tomboyish to a sheepish, stuttering mess when her feelings for Kanon surface.

** Battler: Is his eventual LaserGuidedAmnesia a result of brain damage, survivor's guilt, the unwillingness to admit his own (albeit limited) responsibility in the Rokkenjima incident, or a combination of all the above?
** Beatrice: a heartless and sadistic murderer, or the savior of the Ushiromiya family's dignity, allowing their memory to be unsullied by the crimes committed in their two days on Rokkenjima by taking them all upon herself? Might be easier to figure out if she weren't voluntarily tripping through the FaceHeelRevolvingDoor at every turn.
*** This is what happens when a {{Tsundere}} goes too far.
*** Could also be a TricksterMentor, as the "Wind and the Sun" strategy of [=EP3=] seems to be an attempt to show Battler that he's way too trusting. With the "Wind", she wore down his refusal to suspect the people close to him, but with the "Sun" she got him to trust and sympathize with her. When Ange, then a complete stranger, appeared at the Golden Reception, Beato and Virgilia had no reason to start dribbling their VillainBall in front of him -- except to rub the point in.
** Bernkastel: a [[spoiler: vile, disgusting, monstrous witch who toys with humans for her own amusement]], or a [[spoiler:tragic WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds]] who had to go through thousands of years of BreakTheCutie horror and now can only [[spoiler:torment others in order to dull the pain]]?
*** [[spoiler:Episode 8's tea party segment seems to suggest that while Bern is indeed a sociopath with natural inclinations towards sadistic cruelty and making people miserable regardless of the FreudianExcuse she has for getting to be that way, she can also dial that cruelty back in her off time and only goes fully completely monstrous when it's her turn to be the PunchClockVillain in any of her and Lambda's little games. This is depiction is further demonstrated in ''UminekoGoldenFantasia.'']]

** George: DoggedNiceGuy who has an enlightened view of the world through his years of experience, and who respects Shannon as a person, or a borderline-sexist who takes everything far more seriously than he should? He may (or may not, YMMV of course) have {{Yandere}} tendencies (possessive subtype) to boot.
** At the end of [=EP7=], is Kyrie really so ruthless and cold that she would cast off any family for 1 billion, or is she simply keeping a cool facade to the threat from an emotionally distraught Eva?
*** Some fans from Eastern countries theorized that in [=EP7=], Kyrie's claim that she never loved Ange was actually a lie to trick Eva during their battle. This is because Eva had already killed Rudolph, so Kyrie could have guessed that she could get also killed by Eva; thus, no one would be left to protect Ange, and Eva might take revenge on Ange as well. Therefore, fans theorized she could have lied that she hated Ange to convince Eva that Ange had nothing to do with this conflict, and also convince Eva that Ange needed a mother to guide her. It's also possible that in her grief and madness at that point, Kyrie was lying to herself so that she may embrace death without any emotional attachments left. And in [=EP8=], there are moments where Kyrie shows she DOES cares for Ange, with the manga version even showing us when Ange was born and that both her parents did indeed love her very much.
** Like Kyrie, the manga takes a harsher interpretation of Kinzo's past, claiming that unlike the story he told, Kinzo ''himself'' was responsible for the military base massacre that killed everyone except for him and Beatrice. But even so, did he instigate the massacre because of his obsessive desire to keep Beatrice and the gold for himself, or was he motivated more by ruthless pragmatism since he could predict how the gold would corrupt the people on the base, and was simply trying to manipulate what he considered an inevitable disaster in his favor? There are a number of factors supporting such an interpretation, such as the fact that Kinzo's penchant for accurate predictions played a key role in his business success, the fact that he had no real reason to lie to Willard when discussing his past (indicating that his own role in the massacre may have been a minor footnote to him rather than a dark secret), and finally, his characterization in [=EP8=], which showed that he was capable of being a kind and loving man despite his later descent into abusive behavior and madness.
** Keep in mind this trope is subjected to ALL of the Ushiromiya family, especially in [=EP8=] which shows a different side of Kinzo, and paints the entire family in a far more flattering light than any of the other games. One of the main rules is that pieces can't act completely out of character no matter what, so normally there would be many interpretations to one character, including what their true intentions were even when they did in fact do despicable things. The manga adaptation clears it up more, with Ange coming to acknowledge that no one in her family was ever truly "a total villain or a total saint."

** In both the VN and manga versions, Arc 7 feels like the longest to get through, with Willard having to get stories from Rosa, Kinzo, Maria, ''and'' Jessica before starting to piece things together, which leads to an extended (and largely embelished) backstory for [[spoiler: Sayo Yasuda]], and then when it looks like the illusion of the witch has been killed and the story has reached its end, the longest and most detailed Tea Party ever follows and keeps things going ''even longer''. creating EndingFatigue as well.

* BaseBreakingCharacter: Kinzo, his children and a handful of others, to varying extents.

** Natsuhi has serious TheWoobie traits, but she also threw an innocent baby and the servant carrying the baby off a cliff during a nervous breakdown.
** Eva especially. Was Eva-Beatrice a tulpa based around other people's theories about her a la Battler, or the representation of her inner-most thoughts and feelings? Was she a WellIntentionedExtremist who sacrificed herself to protect Ange, or was she merely taking her rage out on her?
** Rosa. She's considered a MemeticBadass MamaBear based on her actions in [=EP2=], [[spoiler: where she fends off a horde of goat butlers using a shotgun and a gold ingot in her purse in order to protect herself and her daughter, which is one of the times where Rosa demonstrates that she sincerely loves Maria and is legitimately sorry for her abusive behavior]], and a horribly AbusiveParent sarcastically called "World's Best Mother" by the fans for the way she treats Maria and gets what she deserves any time she's killed, [[spoiler: especially in [=EP4=] when Maria uses her new witch abilities to kill Rosa over and over again after she destroys Sakutaro, all the while Rosa is screaming she never loved Maria. This scene is implied to be AllJustADream, so it could be that deep down Maria is afraid that Rosa really doesn't love her.]] Given the fact that [[spoiler: the Ushiromiya Family is intentionally being displayed at their worst on the island, instead of being like that all the time, and that some of their actions are the result of twisted gossip]], it's safe to assume that Rosa does indeed have legitimate love for Maria, but that love is very conflicted and could either persevere over hatred or shatter completely given the course of events.
** Fans may garner sympathy for Kinzo whose {{Jerkass}} tendencies to his children and grandkids dated back to during his youth, when he was forced into an loveless ArrangedMarriage and had children against his will, which made him have a jaded view on life and became a DeathSeeker as World War II hits. That is, until meeting [[spoiler:Beatrice Castiglioni]], who gave him a chance to live and love her but then she dies in hiding after giving birth to their own baby daughter, whom Kinzo named [[spoiler:Beatrice II]] and raised her in secret on Rokkenjima. As she grew up into a young lady. Kinzo became deluded that she's the reincarnation of his mistress and [[spoiler: raped her]], causing fans who were appalled by his unforgivable action to hate him, especially as he indirectly started the real tragic event of the Rokkenjima murders in
** [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]] and everything related to [[spoiler:[[AmbiguousGender them]]]] has been subject to much debate by the fandom. Not to mention [[spoiler:their]] main motivations, which on the one hand can seem emotionally deep, understandable and even almost justifiable for most fans (especially by the supporters of the [[spoiler:Shkannontrice]] theory and the couple of Battler and Beatrice), while on the other they are seen as extremely childish, fully condemnable and also as a very manipulative narrative aimed at forcing the reader to try at all costs to empathize with and pity the character.

** The "fight" between Krauss and [[FanNickname Goat-kun]] in Episode 4 let many fans wondering what in the hell they just read.
** The "magic or trick" battle between Erika and MARIA in Episode 6, where even Dlanor and her suboordiantes openly state that this moment is pointless and only ever bring it up again later just to drive in how petty, childish, and ultimately meaningless it had been.

** With the release of [=EP8=], many people on 4chan are now divided on whether [[spoiler:the RoadCone system]] is a good thing or not.
** Confession of the Golden Witch. There is some debate over whether giving answers this explicit in the manga was a salutary move to lift many ambiguities or an unnecessary one that more or less defeats the point of the series to let the readers search for the answers themselves.

%%** "So, what did you think of the anime?" ... Yeah, just do everyone a favor and don't ask.
%%** Also [[spoiler: [[TheUnreveal some people being dissatisfied with the series' open ending not fully answering what really happened.]] ]] One of the arguments that gets ugly is when [[spoiler: deciding whether or not this series was a mystery to begin with.]]
%%** Another topic that's best not to bring up within the fandom is what Lion[[spoiler:/Yasu]]'s gender is.
%%** The confirmation of a new Chiru episode in 2017 hasn't been taken well by everyone, as it leads many to believe that what has been regarded for quite some time as a solved mystery may now open the door to new secrets, and thus arguments.
* CargoShip: Fans have joked about this in regards to how often Battler uses a hat stand as an ImprovisedWeapon.

** As stated earlier, many fans who hate Rosa immensely enjoy her ButtMonkey status which leads to [[CruelAndUnusualDeath her being horribly not only killed]] in all games but [[TheManyDeathsOfYou cruelly tortured as well with it]]. Especially in the fourth game at the hands of Beatrice and [[spoiler: [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds MARIA]]]] after her AbusiveParent and ParentalNeglect tendencies apparently took a new level.
** The death of [[ArcVillain EVA-Beatrice]] in the third game at the hands of the denial with Beatrice's Red Truth about her existence by blaming Eva.
** [[EvilAunt Kasumi Sumadera]]'s death after she tortured, mocked and tried to kill her niece Ange, especially after destroying and insulting Maria's diary and magic.
** Beatrice and Battler defeating [[spoiler:[[TheDragon Erika]]]] at the climax of the sixth game.
** [[spoiler:Even for some of Rosa's haters (who do not forgive her for being a bad mother to Maria and who enjoyed seeing her suffer in previous games), it can still be very satisfying to see her to finally stop being so passive towards her older siblings and take advantage of Eva and Hideyoshi's emotional instability without restraint, due to the accidental deaths of Natsuhi and Krauss, by blackmailing her sister and trying to convince her to turn herself in, rather than activating Sayo's self-destruct system of the island to cover her tracks. It helps that Eva herself is partly responsible for making Rosa the way she is in the first place and the fact that she verbally abused her younger sister in most games.]]
** [[spoiler:The final defeat of [[BigBad Bernkastel]] at the hands of Ange and, by extension, the entire Ushiromiya family and their allies.]]

** Not to mention the couples poll on the official site, which had ''absolutely everything.''

** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuo7VumEIuM One of Golden Fantasia's endings]] teases an uncanny [=WillBern=]; maybe not so uncanny though, considering it's [[KindHeartedCatLover Will]] and [[CatGirl Bern]].
** In the TIP "Jessica's Good Luck Charms", Jessica wants to make Kanon dream of her, but she messes up the ritual and makes ''Gōda'' dream of her instead. Yep, [=JessiGoh=]. Didn't see that one coming.
** The manga has some downright disturbing cover pages. Battler×Maria? [[http://mangafox.me/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_episode_1_legend_of_the_golden_witch/v04/c021/2.html Yep, we got that.]]
** There are even a few works shipping Eva and Natsuhi, sisters-in-law who love their husbands and hate each other.

* CryForTheDevil: [[spoiler:Bernkastel. BadSamaritan though she is, she was still born (in a sense) from [[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry a little girl's death and trauma-filled 100 year]] GroundhogDayLoop, and the only way she knows to dull the pain of it all is to make everyone else more miserable than she is.]] A detailed list of everything she's gone through would probably be enough to make up its own wiki page.

** To say that Kinzo has more than a few problems in his brain is like saying that there is no sun on a rainy day. His obsession with Beatrice borders on madness when he cries out his name in tears at the window and, according to descriptions given to us by his children, he is well known for doing things like jumping out of the window. The fact that he willingly became a soldier during World War II [[DeathSeeker just so he could die]] also implies that he may have suffered from depression when he was younger.

** Like her daughter and father, Rosa does not seem to be mentally stable, given how she constantly switches from being abusive to apologetic in regards to Maria. The multitude of {{Berserk Button}}s she has that quickly make her lose her temper whenever Maria or somebody else makes the mistake of teasing them make her look like she's suffering from bipolar or/and borderline personality disorder. Not to mention the subtle implication that she has suicidal thoughts and desires like Kinzo, given some of her dialogue when she's under particularly harsh stress. [[spoiler:There's also the PTSD that she suffered from having seen Beatrice Ushiromiya die as a little girl.]]

** Ironically, despite her definitive {{Scrappy}} status after [=EP5=], Erika then became something of this after [=EP6=], especially in Japanese fandom. Ryukishi certainly [[JerkassWoobie did intend for her to be a sympathetic character]], but [[MisaimedFandom saying that she was the hero of the episode is a bit...]]
** [[spoiler: Sayo "Yasu" Yasuda]], too. While they have massive, '''massive''' reasons to be the person they are, ([[spoiler: or better said, person'''s''']]), many fans seem to believe they are ~perfectly justified~ in [[spoiler: killing everyone]] and no one should criticize them, thinking that [[spoiler: the terrible life they have led]] should be enough of a reason to completely leave them off the hook for their own actions.

%%* EndingFatigue: Episode 7's Tea Party is a prime offender of this for many readers.

** Gohda and his butterfly repelling jacket. Also partially because he's [[MemeticMutation Magical Gohda Chef]].

* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler:Though a happy ending was denied for Rokkenjima, whether it's a BittersweetEnding or DownerEnding for Ange is subjective, as she still lost her entire family and has to live with the ugly truth about what befell them on Rokkenjima, and then when she finds that her beloved big brother had actually survived and was still alive (but amnesiac) that whole time, he's implied to die shortly after their reunion. Averted in the manga, where Tohya Hachijo does not die and everything points more strongly towards a BittersweetEnding.]]

** In the early episodes, Beatrice appears to be an unrepentant cackling sadist. Even before [[spoiler:the full extent of the [[AlasPoorVillain tragedy]] is revealed]], she remains beloved for how [[EvilIsHammy charismatic]] and [[MemeticTroll entertaining]] she can be, stealing every scene she's in. [[spoiler:Even in [[HeelFaceTurn Episode 6]], Beatrice returning in full force, sporting a [[ShesBack characteristic]] maniacal grin and (seemingly) casting away her demure and friendly persona is one of the coolest and most memorable moment in the entire story.]]
** Fans of Erika who do not [[DracoInLeatherPants excuse her actions]] love her for how much of an unapologetic bastard she is as well as her undeniable [[EvilGenius competence]].

** Erika's backstory leaves much to interpretation, from her upbringing to her original personality, to how she met with Bern, or the reason she fell from the boat − or why the boat was out in the first place, despite a typhoon forecast.
** [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Land of the Golden Witch]], as well as the "rival detective" character Virgilius, are popular subjects of this.
* FanNickname: Sea kittens. "''Umineko''" is the Japanese name for the black-tailed seagull, but the name literally translates to "sea cat". That, and it's a reference to a [[http://features.peta.org/PETASeaKittens/ particularly stupid PETA campaign.]] More nicknames for characters and places can be found [[FanNickname/UminekoWhenTheyCry here]].

** Yasu's full name is generally assumed to be [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]] (since Yasu says their last name is Yasuda and [[spoiler:Shannon claims that her real name is Sayo]]), but it's never told explicitly in the story. [[spoiler:Confirmed as of the [=EP8=] manga bonus chapters, labelling Yasu explicitly as "Sayo Yasuda".]]

* FauxSymbolism: Maria's name is written as "真里亞"--notice how the last character looks like a cross? Battler [[LampshadeHanging points it out]] and seems to consider it stylish.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: Creator/StudioDeen's anime adaptation of the series gets a lot of flack, mainly for cutting out crucial scenes and having numerous [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole plot holes]]. These problems were also present in ''[[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Higurashi's]]'' anime adaptation as the first season alone went through 6 out of the 8 core arcs. What made DEEN's Higurashi adaptation still work was that most of the scenes that were cut or changed weren't as important to the plot, so they could be left out without any issue and didn't affect the suspenseful scenes or have major plot holes. It helps that [=Ryukishi07=] himself advised DEEN for ''Higurashi Kai'', notable with the anime-only arc adding in information from the VN that wasn't in the first season. However, ''Umineko'''s structure is different from ''Higurashi'' since many scenes are crucially important to solving the mystery. DEEN changing certain scenes from the visual novel ended up causing the mystery to be unsolvable in the anime. This affected DEEN greatly as poor DVD sales has prevented them from making a ''Chiru'' adaptation.

* GrowingTheBeard: Most people agree that ''Banquet of the Golden Witch'' is where the series really takes off. Pretty ironic knowing that the original Episode 3 [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was supposed to be completely different.]]
* HardToAdaptWork: The story is massive, features dozens of characters, and heavy post-modernism elements. The anime suffered from being a CompressedAdaptation, with key scenes either being heavily abridged or omitted entirely. This led to the mystery being unsolvable due to important clues not appearing. For comparison, the manga had over 40 volumes while the stage-play has stuck to adapting one episode per 3-hour show.

** Arc 4's ClicheStorm turns around to bite George and Jessica in the ass, due to a rather brutal BrickJoke involving the danger of a HopeSpot.
** An in-story version. In the second arc Beatrice tells Shannon that she won't feel that same way about George after he "looks at her with lust" and at the time it just sounds like taunting. [[spoiler:If you take into account that Shannon and Beatrice are the same person, it's really a representation of the conflicts in Yasu's heart over whether or not George can truly love Shannon and stay with her after discovering Yasu's broken body.]]
*** Hell, most scenes where [[spoiler:Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice interact are this when you realize that they're all essentially her own struggles with herself!]]
** Another in-story example also comes from the second arc, or rather, the ending to it. At Beatrice's banquet, [[spoiler: she has her goats eat Battler alive after he loses against her.]] This ends up getting used against her in the fifth arc when [[spoiler: she loses in proving Natsuhi's innocence, and Lambadelta and Bernkastel sentence her to the same fate because it's how she "punishes the losers in the game".]]
** Second arc again. Beatrice tells Kanon that the three worst ways to hurt a girl are physically, emotionally, and by betraying their hopes. She calls the last the most difficult, the most effective, and the one most often committed by accident. [[spoiler:And poor Beato would know more about that than anybody else.]]
** Again, in-story example:
--> '''Battler (to Ange)''': It's not like you'll get struck by lightning if you tell me your name.
** The whole scene where Battler promises to win Beato's game and come back to Ange is really sad after you understand that [[spoiler:when Beato's game started, everyone except Eva and Battler was already dead. From the beginning, there was never any chance of the family coming back home alive; and indeed, Beato herself never promised that, it's just what Battler assumed.]]
** Bernkastel's explanation of how to create a bully and Erika's explanation of the ways she intends to abuse Battler after their marriage are individually disturbing enough. Putting them together underscores how truly horribly Erika had been treated to become an intellectual rapist.
** In the early days of the fandom, Kanon's insistence that he's furniture as the go-to reason for why he's so unhappy with his lot in life was treated as {{Wangst}} and often the source of fandom jokes, especially since what exactly being "furniture" meant was very vague. [[spoiler:After various reveals in [=EP7=], and especially after "Confession of the Golden Witch", it's made very clear that being furniture isn't just {{Wangst}}ing on Kanon's end.]]
* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Regardless of the sympathy her characters inspire, the double performance of Creator/MikiIto in the roles of [[RichBitch Eva Ushiromiya]] and her teenage version EVA-Beatrice is often highly praised by many fans. Especially because of the remarkable vocal versatility with which she manages to pass from the seductive voice of a mature woman to that of a capricious brat in a few moments.

** [[http://g.e-hentai.org/g/291164/b5048f9123/ One fan made comic]] ([=NSFW=]), located after [=EP5=] features Battler creating the 6th game but instead of the typical visual novel he creates a fighting game. It even says Magic fighting game, Battle of the Golden Witch coming soon...

** While it's not known if it's an intentional CastingGag, Creator/MarinaInoue and Creator/YuuKobayashi would play Master and Servant again in ''Manga/MariaHolic'', just with the roles reversed. Helped by the fact that the "mistress" is a blonde, the servant is stoic, and [[spoiler: Mariya is a CreepyCrossdresser and Kanon is a facet of the personality of someone biologically male raised female (both voiced by Kobayashi)]].
* HoYay: Between Lion and Wright from [=EP7=] (If you believe Lion is a guy, that is). Some fans even took to re-naming [=EP7=] "Homolust of the Golden Witch". Lion's gender hasn't been officially confirmed (and will probably never be), although the English fandom seems to be sure he/she's a guy. The Japanese fandom is fairly split on whether Lion is a girl or a boy, but many fanartists are fond of depicting Lion as a girl for [[{{Fanservice}} obvious]] [[{{Moe}} reasons]].
** Ronove seems to generate this with any other male character he interacts with; not only in the visual novel, but also in his [[http://images.wikia.com/umineko/images/5/50/BattlerRonoveEnding.JPG ending with Battler]] in ''[[VideoGame/UminekoGoldenFantasia Ougon Musou Kyoku]]'' as well as his ending with George. In Virgilia's endings, she and Ange even [[YaoiFangirl ship RonoBato]].

** [[spoiler:No, Bernkastel is not a stoic neutral who sympathizes with the heroes.]] Good luck ''not'' knowing this before you start the series.
** The existance of [[spoiler: Sayo Yasuda and the fact that Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice are alternate personas she created]] is also pretty known too.

** After you come to learn of her sad childhood, the trauma she suffered as a young girl, of her LoveMartyr tendencies, and fully understand [[StrugglingSingleMother the highly stressful difficulties she is literally subjected to EVERY SINGLE DAY of her whole life]], you can't help feeling sorry for [[TroubledAbuser Rosa]]. Her whole life was surrounded by [[AbusiveParent the total lack of healthy love by her entire family]], by [[BigBrotherBully the inexplicable hatred and negligence of her siblings towards her]], by the sense of guilt and abandonment of a man with whom she hoped to build a loving family whom that she never had as a child. Once you become able to understand all this about Rosa's character then you cannot fail to be sorry to see her subject to [[TheManyDeathsOfYou infinite tortures]] [[CruelAndUnusualDeath and particularly sadistic and brutal deaths]] for the pure fun of Beatrice and the other witches. Of course, it doesn't change the fact that she treats Maria really bad when she's angry although it becomes more understandable.

** Erika is probably one straw short of being a mentally insane, {{Jerkass}} murderer, but she earns a least a few Woobie points on account of her being Bern's piece and the few details of her backstory we're given that explain why she's the way she is. [[spoiler: Though she DOES actually end up being a mentally broken {{Jerkass}} murderer in [=EP6=] in order to win against Battler, and comes to proudly embrace her more villainous side in [=EP8=].]]
* LesYay: Lambdadelta x Bernkastel, which is actually canon. Lambda acts like a supernatural StalkerWithACrush, they like to talk about giving each other candy bath massages, and they've even both said they love each other.

** There is also a bit of it between Ange and Mammon, especially in the manga.

* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: In [=EP5=] [[spoiler: Natsuhi is set up to be incredibly suspicious in every way. Of course she can't be the culprit!]]

** Bernkastel and Lambdadelta are likely the best examples, as they have several fans who adore them for being the shameless, sadistic (yet [[LaughablyEvil strangely lovable and hilarious]]) Jerkasses that they are.
** Yes, Erika is an unrepentant, insufferable bitch, and that's why so many people love her!

** On one hand, many fans loathe Kinzo for how selfish, possessive, and abusive he is, and how he shaped the ruination of his own family. On the other, [[CrazyIsCool his madness]] is widely considered to be [[ChewingTheScenery entertaining as hell]] and makes him [[MemeticBadass the source]] of much MemeticMutation.

*** Meanwhile, [[AbusiveParents her treatment of Maria]] has given her the title of [[SarcasmMode BEST MOM EVER]].
** Kinzo, both in-universe and with the fandom.
* MemeticLoser: Battler. If you looked at only the memes, you'd swear he does nothing but constantly get trolled by Witches every single day of the week and mentioning small bombs on the other days.

** Bernkastel and Lambdadelta naturally get this too, as does Eriko Furuudo by extension.
* MindGameShip: Beato x Battler. Also Battler x Erika in a much darker sense.

** Beatrice shows flashes of cuteness when she isn't cheerfully orchestrating murders and walking all over Battler. This starts happening more and more frequently from Episode 3 onwards.
*** Also, [[http://darenome.wordpress.com/2009/08/04/umineko-extra-tips-valentine-and-white-day/#more-1750 White Day]].
** Sakutaro! To the point that the 7 Stakes go completely crazy whenever he shows up, wanting to cuddle him.

** Rosa herself crossed the line in [=EP4=] when [[spoiler: she not only broke one of the ceramic rabbits she gave to Maria as a way to punish her disobedience and threatened to do the same to the other rabbits any time Maria didn't do as she was told, but brutally eviscerated and decapitated Sakutaro, who she'd also given to Maria to begin with, in an unreasonable rage at her daughter, cruelly declaring "Sakutaro is dead!". Keep in mind that she ''knew full well'' that Maria thought of these toys as her special friends and would in her mind take this like friends of hers being murdered right in front of her, and she did it anyway as a truly hideous act of child abuse.]]
*** [[spoiler: This only gets worse in the manga version of =EP8= where it reveals that at an age considerably even younger than her daughter's, Rosa herself suffered the same cruel injustice at the hands of [[BigBrotherBully Krauss, Eva and Rudolf]], with the latter tore apart a stuffed rabbit named Uutan (who played the same role for Rosa as Sakutaro for Maria) out of pure malice and meanness, even mockingly her by saying [[CallForward "Now Rosa's toy is dead!"]], which makes Rosa realizes she has unconsciously relived her own childhood trauma through her upbringing of Maria and perpetuated the cycle of abuse, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone much to her horror]].]]

** Kinzo was always close to this trope because of his treatment of his family and the [[spoiler:subverted]] PaterFamilicide, but he still remained something of an EnsembleDarkhorse with some people thanks to his reputation. However, the revelations about Beatrice [[spoiler:Ushiromiya, his daughter]] and the fact that [[spoiler:he [[ParentalIncest raped her and got her pregnant]]]] was the end of the road for many fans, and his EnsembleDarkhorse status plummeted as a result.
** In [=EP6=], [[spoiler:Erika beheads five people to make sure that they're actually dead (which, it turns out, they ''weren't''). And all in order to get revenge on Battler by trapping him in a logic error. Even in-universe, Erika [[CardCarryingVillain begins to embrace the label of villain]] following this.]]
** [=EP7=]'s Tea Party has [[spoiler:Rudolf and Kyrie cross it by revealing that they were the true culprits of the Rokkenjima massacre, callously killing off nearly everyone on the island just to hog the gold. Kyrie in particular brushes off Rudolf's death and admits to never actually caring about Ange.]]
** [[spoiler: Bernkastel crossed it in the side story "The Witches' Tanabata", which is where her YouBastard moment comes from.]]

* {{Narm}}: Enough to have its own page [[Narm/UminekoWhenTheyCry here]], though most examples are from the anime.

** In-universe, Ange [[spoiler: getting literally carved into mincemeat - ''twice'' - just keeps getting brought up. It's to the point where even Ange herself starts making snarky quips about it.]]

** [[spoiler:Ange is built up into an incredibly sympathetic character.]] Prepare to shed many tears.
** Game 5, end of the tea party, Promise. No one will blame you for demolishing a few tissue boxes over this one either.

** Some fans really disliked [[SpoiledBrat Maria]] until the fourth arc, when she revealed one hell of a FreudianExcuse and got around to [[CallingTheOldManOut Calling The Old Woman Out]] in true ''Franchise/WhenTheyCry'' fashion [[spoiler:though calling Rosa out was most likely all in her head]].
** It's also quite common and easy for many fans to despise Rosa in the first four arcs for her AbusiveParents tendencies towards Maria and her actions in [=EP2=] (which cease to come off as ProperlyParanoid especially when you realize [[spoiler:she was the killer's accomplice in that arc the whole time who wanted to throw suspicion onto everyone else and then let everyone die while she claimed the gold for herself]]). The latter four arcs in ''Chiru'', however, begins to finally set aside her worst traits in favor of showing her as a more sympathetic and regretful character with the whole truth of [[spoiler: her ill-fated romance with Maria's father, just how traumatized and guilt-ridden she felt about her part in the day of Beatrice Ushiromiya's death, the numerous and repeated abuse and trauma she suffered at the hands of those monsters of her father and her older siblings when she was just a kid like Maria, and how level-headed and reasonable she tried to be on the night of the Rokkenjima massacre prior to being shot dead by Kyrie]], and how much she loves her daughter and wants to make up for her failures as a mother is made clear in [=EP8=] (in a way that calls back to her [[MemeticBadass famed]] MamaBear LastStand with Maria in [=EP2=]), which brings many former haters around to her. The manga adaptation of said Episode goes a step further by showing a brief background of a child Rosa who, [[MirrorCharacter just like Maria]], has seen all her toys and dolls being cruelly destroyed and/or throw away by her siblings and remembering this gives Rosa the opportunity to atone for what she did to Sakutaro by using said toys and dolls to finally mend the bond with her daughter.
** For the fans who weren't RootingForTheEmpire (see below), Erika becoming a more developed and pitiable character in [=EP6=] and [=EP8=] won over more than a handful of those who had despised her for her earlier KickTheDog actions in [=EP5=]. Being [[ThenLetMeBeEvil more of an]] [[CardCarryingVillain honest villain]] than the ParodySue she started out as also helps, as her LoveToHate status has ironically made her [[https://07th-expansion.fandom.com/wiki/07th_Expansion_Character_Popularity_Poll#Umineko_no_Naku_Koro_ni one of the most popular characters in the series.]]

* RootingForTheEmpire: Erika may be a {{Jerkass}} and a ReplacementScrappy, but it wasn't entirely lost on some people that she spends most of ''End of the Golden Witch'' delivering logical [[CurbStompBattle Curb Stomps]] to Beatrice, who, until that point, had been a practically [[KarmaHoudini invincible]] torturer for the series.

** [[spoiler:Eva acknowledging the damage done to her relationship with Ange was her fault, not Ange's. Even if Ange tried to reject Eva as a parental figure and unknowingly denied Eva of any source of comfort from the accusations she was already getting, it was Eva's responsibility as an adult and Ange's new legal guardian to love and care for Ange instead of giving Ange a scapegoat to blame for the murders by acting horribly abusive to reinforce Ange's warped perception. To put it shortly, even if Eva had her own trauma to deal with she should've tried harder with Ange.]]
** [[spoiler:By that same token, the rest of the Ushiromiya family coming to terms with their own sins. The quiz game at the Halloween party is replaced by hide and seek and in that time we see, aside from the above thoughts from Eva, Natsuhi and Beato/Yasu getting closure with each other over what Natsuhi did to baby Yasu in the past, Rosa realizing how she'd perpetuated the cycle of her own abuse onto Maria and starting to forge a stronger mother-daughter relationship with Maria to make amends, and a clearly shown fallout of Rudolf confessing his sin and the truth about Battler's parentage to Kyrie. To take it further, when Ange is reunited with the family in the Golden Land later on, while the visual novel glosses over the truth of the massacre and labels it unimportant, a point is made of how the Ushiromiya Family ultimately tore itself apart due to its members' own vices and sinful acts accumlated over the years finally giving way, and Kinzo openly holds himself accountable for sourcing everything that had gone wrong since the time he lost his mistress.]]
** [[spoiler: Realizing the implications of what Tohya Hachijo's (potentially accidentally) implied death at the end of [=EP8=] would do to poor Ange, Ryukishi clarified in the final character profiles released in 2013 that he actually survived, which was made explicit by the manga adaptation two years later.]]
* SignatureSeriesArc: The very end of "Banquet of the Golden Witch" and its follow-up with "Alliance of the Golden Witch" and "End of the Golden Witch." The first is notable for [[spoiler: the introduction of Ange Ushiromiya into the plot]], the following for [[spoiler: Ange's heartbreaking past and journey with the Seven Sisters of Purgatory, the additional backstory for Maria and introduction of Sakutaro, the all-out Red Truth VS Blue Truth battle between Beatrice and Battler at the end, and TheReveal that Bernkastel and Lambdadelta have been in cahoots as the true villains of the story]], and the final for its particularly twisted Rokkenjima gameboard mystery thanks to [[spoiler: Lambda taking over as Game Master]], the debut of Erika Furudo and the Inquistion of Heresy, [[spoiler: the lengthy trial sequence that results in Beatrice's titular end, and the extended aftermath where Battler learns the whole truth of everything and transforms into the Golden Sorcerer, taking ownership of the game from Erika after a thrilling battle.]]
* SlowPacedBeginning: The first novel is almost painfully monotonous with glimmers of hope when small horror elements show up... then somebody finally dies! In the 10th chapter (out of 17)!
* SoBadItsGood: How a lot of people feel about the visual novel's art, though the characters' expressions are generally agreed to be awesome.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Even disregarding the whole CompressedAdaptation issue, there are many changes in the anime that fans can hardly forgive. In the last 2 minutes alone, Battler hugging Beatrice tenderly is left out, and Bern and Lambda's epic EvilLaugh is turned into a mischievous giggling. That hurts the emotional factor quite a lot.

** [[spoiler:The whole character of Beatrice II certainly qualifies as such considering that she has a very well written backstory and that could easily take Sayo's place in history with her equally (if not more) strong motivations, yet she appears only in Rosa and Kinzo's flashbacks and the rest she is just mentioned a few times. Together with her mother, she is also one of the 4 deceased characters connected to the Ushiromiyas who did not appear in the finale in the Golden Land even once, although it is basically thanks to her and Beatrice Castiglioni that the legend of the golden witch Beatrice (and consequently the existence of the whole story) existed.]]
** Kinzo's wife also potentially qualifies as such as, although she could potentially bring many interesting storylines, she does not appear even once and is mentioned even less than Beatrice [[spoiler:II]].
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Throughout all 8 sagas, Maria justifies Rosa's violent reactions to her as the actions of a great black witch who possesses her in her moments of UnstoppableRage. Rosa, similar to Eva according to Ange, has these reactions because she carries within herself great quantities of anger, bitterness and pain repressed as a result of the family climate in which she grew up and the difficulties of her life that, often and willingly, crushed her. Because of this you would expect that sooner or later Rosa, like her sister Eva and Sayo Yasuda, suffers (according to the imagination of Maria) a LiteralSplitPersonality that allows her [[AnthropomorphicPersonification to manifest her hypothetical witch version in the Meta-World]], yet the whole franchise ends without this black witch (which in the Meta-World is known and feared for eliminating one of the Chiester Sisters as a reflection of Rosa who destroyed one of Maria's ceramic bunnies) really having the chance to see the light. Just the dissatisfaction of this possible narrative turn never explored that involves the character of Rosa (who, behind the protagonists characters, has always been classified as one of the most popular) has partly influenced the birth of "Rosatrice's theory".
** [[spoiler: Even in ''Ougon Musou Kyoku'', combining Rosa with some characters with whom she shares an ending scenario or seeing her clash with some characters in the story mode, half the cast recognizes her as the infamous Black Witch (and some fantasy characters like Ronove, Ange, Chiester 410, Beatrice and even Lambdadelta come to respect her for her terrifying power).]]
* ToyShip: Sakutaro's mutually-adoring relationship with Maria hints at this.

** Natushi is positioned as the protagonist of the game in [=EP5=], constantly proclaiming her goal to "uphold the Ushiromiya honor", and has to deal with several deaths (including her daughter and husband) that the newcomer Erika [[spoiler:proceeds to falsely pin on her.]] However, the crux of the game is her [[spoiler:hiding Kinzo's death to help Krauss' embezzlement, all the while hypocritically chastising Krauss' siblings as greedy for wanting Kinzo's inheritance to fix their own financial issues, and flying into a self-victimizing outrage whenever they start accurately guessing what she's hiding. She also later admits to killing a servant and (seemingly) a baby out of frustration that she was tasked with raising the latter after Kinzo shamed her for failing to conceive her own child for years. It can be a bit hard to feel all that sorry for her even when Erika turns almost the entire family against her with false accusations, especially when her own stubborn refusal to admit Kinzo's death helps push her into into a corner.]]
** We are asked to feel some level of pity and compassion for Kinzo in [=EP7=] due to his DarkAndTroubledPast prior to becoming the Ushiromiya family head, how deeply he loved [[spoiler:his late mistress, Beatrice Castigloni]] and how much he wanted [[TheAtoner to atone]] for how he'd treated his deceased daughter. But for many, this is practically impossible not only for how horribly we'd seen Kinzo treat his still living family before now, but because this exact same arc reveals [[spoiler:that he'd become so infatuated with the resemblence that his secret teenage daughter had with her dead mother and so overcome with the delusion of her being her reincarnation that he [[ParentalIncest raped her and got her pregnant with a child]], [[{{Squick}} which would mean she gave birth to her own sibling since they'd share the same father.]] This revelation also makes Kinzo's EntitledToHaveYou attitude about Beatrice all the more disgusting and makes us very hard to feel any form of empathy for him. This is somewhat alievated in the manga where in the final arc, Kinzo acknowledges that he still had no good excuse for how he'd acted following his gravest sin, combined with all the women (especially Rosa, Eva and Natsuhi) around him that he had neglected and mistreated very badly, ruining his still living relations and allowed his own family to rot from the inside, [[KarmaHoudini he'd gone to his grave having not truly atoned for anything after all]], for which he is now truly, genuinely remorseful.]]

** [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda and the whole story of both their real identity and that of their characters can lead to them falling into this trope, as basically everything of ''Umineko'' is based on a sort of emotional manipulation of Creator/Ryukishi07 aimed at bringing us to sympathize, pity and love the character that, although undeniably not without legitimate problems and reasons to hate Kinzo and his children, had been planning a family mass murder-suicide with the clear desire to also involve the people who loved their fictitious identities and who they loved in return. Sayo decided to bring it to fruition only because Battler, a boy they hadn't seen for 6 years, had understandably forgotten a stupid childish promise he made to them (and Sayo didn't even take into account that, just like them, Battler also had his own problems to solve). Not to mention the fact that with their false identities of the servant twins, they in turn decieved and two-timed the two people who had fallen in love with her, George and Jessica, and how they used Beatrice's identity to manipulate not only Maria's faith and dreams in magic and witches, but also largely exploited her pain and [[AbusiveMom Rosa's]] [[ParentalNeglect parental incapacities]] to make her an unwitting accomplice in their own plan. To top it off, in the role of Beatrice in the Meta-World, she decides that the best way to bring back to Battler the memory of what really happened on Rokkenjima is to subject him to real TraumaCongaLine matches in which she shows him scenarios with her and/or other magical beings torturing and killing both him and his entire family, yet the narrative insists that Battler was actually the one torturing her by taking too long to remember his broken promise.]]
** Genji's UndyingLoyalty towards Kinzo and later [[spoiler:Sayo]] too may seem at times very noble [[spoiler:were it not that this leads him to help Sayo keep his fictions afloat through blackmail and threats throughout the various games (even arriving to personally commit the murders)]]. [[spoiler:Not to mention the fact that years ago, after rescuing the baby with Nanjo's help and deciding to hide his survival from Kinzo after Natsuhi's attempt to kill him, Genji decided to raise him as a girl in an orphanage that basically existed as a factory aimed at providing with constant servants for Ushiromiya family, granting her considerable, and undeserved privileges despite her clumsiness and ignorance, than the other children there, which had the obvious consequence of leading the young Sayo to be bullied for much of her early childhood and adolescence.]]

** In [=EP4=], it's shown that Rosa often [[ParentalNeglect leaves Maria at home by herself]], making many western fans wonder why she can't at least hire a babysitter. In Japan it's actually extremely rare for anyone aside from a grandparent to supervise one's children if the parents are unable to watch them (and considering [[AbusiveParents what Kinzo is like]] and how far away he lives, it's unlikely that Rosa would consider him as an option). However, nowadays [[http://savvytokyo.com/babysitting-services-in-japan/ the demand for babysitting services is higher in Japan]] due to more and more mothers joining the workforce.
* ViewerGenderConfusion: Kanon. [[spoiler:With good reason, mind you.]]

** Oh god, ''Natsuhi''. '''Especially''' after [=EP5=]. To verify, [[spoiler:she starts to lose her sanity after Kinzo dies, is forced to confront a less than pleasant aspect of her past (one that she's already repented for), her only daughter (and the only result of numerous failed attempts at conception) Jessica is murdered, her husband Krauss is kidnapped, forcing her to obey the mysterious man claiming to be her son. Not only does Krauss die anyway, but she is framed for all the murders, and [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge gets beaten up by a very pissed off Eva]] and Battler is the only one who even ''tries'' to intervene. She gets accused of ''cheating on her husband and having a sexual relationship with Kinzo''. Then Bernkastel brutally tells her in her that everything that's been basically keeping her sane until that moment... was all a delusion on her part.]] They basically make her life hell in that arc. And even that's an understatement.
** What, no sympathy for Sakutarou? One of the few characters who doesn't have any malicious tendencies or a fragile psyche, he was basically Maria's only friend and was constantly trying to cheer her up by telling her that her mother loved her very much and was busy working for her. [[spoiler: And then Rosa goes and rips him apart right in front of Maria, then makes it worse by declaring to Maria "Sakutarou is dead", which made it impossible for Beatrice to revive him. At least until Ange managed to do so in 1998.]]
** Clair. She exists solely as yet another of Bernkastel's pieces, meant solely to shoulder the responsibilities and sins of Beatrice as her stand-in. Despite lacking a personality, supposedly, she wishes for her counterpart [[spoiler: Lion Ushiromiya, the person that Yasu may have become if Natsuhi accepted the child instead of becoming Beatrice]] to be happy and live a happy life for her sake and all the Beatrices of every world. [[spoiler: She then asks for Will to kill her now that her task is complete, only for Bernkastel to bring her back solely to gloat that Lion will die anyway, before having her guts torn out of her stomach.]]
** Beatrice II is the most miserable of all when thinking about it. [[spoiler:Her mother died giving birth to her. At a very young age she was shut in Kuwadorian and forbidden to leave. She grows up living a comfortable, but boring and empty life, knowing very little about the outside world and having only Kinzō and a few servants to talk to. While she is still a teenager, she is raped and impregnated by her maddened father, becoming a mother without understanding what's happening to her. And when her pre-teen half-sister finally comes to get her out of her prison, she doesn't get to spend 2 hours in the outside world before dying anonymously, as though she had never existed. Even Rosa represses her memories of their meeting.]] In other words, she is pitiful from her birth to even after her death.
* {{Woolseyism}}: There are several moments that involve Japanese wordplay (like [[spoilerr:the Epitath]] and a few riddles in Episode 8). The translation alters them slightly to make sense in English, while keeping the theme of the questions and the solutions the same.

** [=EP3=] as Eva's [[ADayInTheLimelight focus episode]] portrays her as a SelfMadeWoman who tried to grow out of sexism in the family. The same Episode shows Eva being a BigSisterBully to Rosa for petty reasons, and insulting Natushi and Shannon with [[FemaleMisogynist even worse misogyny]] that she has been through. This is also the Episode where [[spoiler:EVA-Beatrice is the ArcVillain, who Battler argues doesn't exist and is still Eva]]. Adding to the explanation in [=EP7=] and [=EP8=] that [[spoiler:she is partially responsible for the tragedy, but chose to be a SilentScapegoat]], many found it's not a justification for making Ange's life in [=EP4=] a living hell, yet the narrative expects Ange to be more understanding. The manga version of [=EP8=] tries to fix this by [[spoiler:making her remorseful for the abuse]].

* RonTheDeathEater: As often pointed out, at least at the beginning of the first 4 games there are quite a few readers who quickly come to nourish a deep hatred towards Rosa for [[ParentalNeglect the horrible way in which Maria is growing]], considering it unforgivable and, as already mentioned on this page, for them her scenes where [[TheManyDeathsOfYou she is tortured and killed over and over]] are considered a CatharsisFactor. Most of them, however, are not only largely unaware that in spite of this Rosa also has saving qualities (such as her empathy, her genuine kindness and above all the regret she has lived with for nearly two decades of having, according to her point of view, left [[spoiler:Beatrice II]] to die), which almost all other parents clearly lack (who turn out to be morally worse than Rosa, being capable of killing their own family for money for even more futile reasons than hers) and who instead are not only not punished as much as she is but are even more favored by some of these haters (who also ignore the indirect responsibility of [[BigBrotherBully Krauss, Eva and Rudolf]] in having actually created Maria's AbusiveMom). Those few of the haters who at least recognize that [[StrugglingSingleMother Rosa's life as a single mother is actually not easy]], and that [[TheChainOfHarm she is actually been abused and ignored herself by the rest of the family in the same way as Maria as a child]], still make the mistake of downplaying her struggles and difficulties by simply suggesting hiring a babysitter or leave Maria with Eva (yes, the lovely auntie who in the third game literally put Maria to bake in a magic oven with her cookies friends) or [[EvilUncle Rudolf]] (just see the seventh Tea Party to understand that he is not a good option) when Rosa is at work. [[YourNormalIsOurTaboo They ignore that the story is set in 1986 Japan where it was already considered shameful for a woman to be a single mother but even proved herself unable to provide for the welfare of her children without needing the help of third parties. Combine all this with Maria's autism and the very little care or consideration for the psychological health of those years (and in a country certainly not renowned for its studies in the psychological or psychiatric field)]] and it is [[FreudianExcuse very easy to understand not only why Rosa became what she is when we know her]] in the first game but also that, potentially and effectively, Rosa is among all the human characters '''the one''' with the most plausible and justifiable motivations in her letting herself go into a murderous fury for money, for the hatred she indisputably feels towards both her older siblings and her abusive father, and also for the seriousness of the debts in which she is submerged. Yet apparently, except for the second game [[spoiler: which saw her simply as an accomplice (in which she also could have been blackmailed to become one)]], Rosa never become a merciless killer and indeed for all games she maintains a strong moral code when it comes to dealing with human lives. Compares this with Kinzo, [[spoiler:Eva's behavior in the third and seventh games]] and especially with Kyrie and Rudolf. Despite this, some readers still consider Rosa one of the worst and irredeemable adults.

** From the very beginning, [[EntitledBitch Eva]] has never been a particularly sympathetic person, but [=EP3=] which sees her as the main adult and which should shed some positive light on the character by showing her as an ambitious and brilliant woman, victim of Krauss and Kinzo's sexism, and of her father's abuse in general, comes after [[FemaleMisogynist Eva herself has demhumanized and alienated other women]] (Natsuhi and Shannon) with mean and cruel comments such as "you're just a rented womb." or "We will find you a more worthy partner for your rank, and another servant.", and it is also the same chapter in which Eva (more here than in all the other games) [[BigSisterBully abuses her own sister Rosa several times for futile and illogical reasons]], even defining her [[SarcasmMode "lovingly"]] with words like "Die, you useless brainless woman!" only because [[CassandraTruth Rosa dared to suggest that the witch's letter may not have been written by Kinzo]]. It goes without saying that ''Banquet of the Golden Witch'' is also the same chapter in which [[SuperpoweredEvilSide EVA-Beatrice]] makes her appearance in the roster of psychopathic witches and that her first gesture to celebrate her "baptism" as a witch is to horribly torture with ResurrectionDeathLoop both Rosa and [[WouldHurtAChild Maria]] (to the point that Beatrice, [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech even if only just thanks to Battler's annoyed and angry reaction towards her]], is forced to intervene to stop that horror show that she had set up) only because [[TheDogBitesBack her sister DARED to fight back with her regarding the discovery of the gold]], [[spoiler:or that in reality the human Eva has decided to join Sayo both as an accomplice and as the second killer of the entire game simply because she didn't want to share Kinzo's wealth with the other siblings]]. [[spoiler:With the seventh Tea Party and [=EP8=] delving into [[SilentScapegoat the real nature of her relationship with Ange]], Eva has gained on her side many fans who sympathize with her situation compared to many other characters who fit into this trope, but even this can fall flat due to Eva's abusive treatment of young Ange in which she acted like she hated her, always compared her unfavorably to George, and never told her the truth about what happened to her family (including the fact that she really did set much of the tragedy off when she accidentally killed Natsuhi) and yet Ange ends up [[BlamingTheVictim being given the bulk of the blame for how sour her and Eva's relationship turned]], making it seem as though Eva was let off the hook for everything in spite of her [[SmugSnake bad personality]] and [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish nature]]. The [=EP8=] manga at least has her repeatedly express remorse for being such an awful aunt and adoptive mother, admitting that she ruined Ange's life by giving up on her too soon.]]

** Gaap's {{Sideboob}} VaporWear dress. Some say it's so bizarre it makes it [[WTHCostumingDepartment hard to take any scene she appears in seriously]], while others think it [[NarmCharm works]] for a demon with a "gap" theme and gives the fashion brand it's based on some publicity.

** From the very beginning, [[EntitledBitch Eva]] has never been a particularly sympathetic person, but [=EP3=] which sees her as the main adult and which should shed some positive light on the character by showing her as an ambitious and brilliant woman, victim of Krauss and Kinzo's sexism, and of her father's abuse in general, comes after [[FemaleMisogynist Eva herself has demhumanized and alienated other women]] (Natsuhi and Shannon) with mean and cruel comments such as "you're just a rented womb." or "We will find you a more worthy partner for your rank, an another servant.", and it is also the same chapter in which Eva (more here than in all the other games) [[BigSisterBully abuses her own sister Rosa several times for futile and illogical reasons]], even defining her [[SarcasmMode "lovingly"]] with words like "Die, you useless brainless woman!" only because [[CassandraTruth Rosa dared to suggest that the witch's letter may not have been written by Kinzo]]. It goes without saying that ''Banquet of the Golden Witch'' is also the same chapter in which [[SuperpoweredEvilSide EVA-Beatrice]] makes her appearance in the roster of psychopathic witches and that her first gesture to celebrate her "baptism" as a witch is to horribly torture with ResurrectionDeathLoop both Rosa and [[WouldHurtAChild Maria]] (to the point that Beatrice, [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech even if only just thanks to Battler's annoyed and angry reaction towards her]], is forced to intervene to stop that horror show that she had set up) only because [[TheDogBitesBack her sister DARED to fight back with her regarding the discovery of the gold]], [[spoiler:or that in reality the human Eva has decided to join Sayo both as an accomplice and as the second killer of the entire game simply because she didn't want to share Kinzo's wealth with the other siblings]]. [[spoiler:With the seventh Tea Party and [=EP8=] delving into [[SilentScapegoat the real nature of her relationship with Ange]], Eva has gained on her side many fans who sympathize with her situation compared to many other characters who fit into this trope, but even this can fall flat due to Eva's abusive treatment of young Ange in which she acted like she hated her, always compared her unfavorably to George, and never told her the truth about what happened to her family (including the fact that she really did set much of the tragedy off when she accidentally killed Natsuhi) and yet Ange ends up [[BlamingTheVictim being given the bulk of the blame for how sour her and Eva's relationship turned]], making it seem as though Eva was let off the hook for everything in spite of her [[SmugSnake bad personality]] and [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish nature]]. The [=EP8=] manga at least has her repeatedly express remorse for being such an awful aunt and adoptive mother, admitting that she ruined Ange's life by giving up on her too soon.]]

** The first novel keeps it a mystery [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane if there are supernatural elements]] ''at all''. [[spoiler:Battler playing mind chess against multiple time-traveling witches]] is the main part known about the novels, overshadowing the MysteryFiction plot due to their hammy personalities, even if [[spoiler:there's still ambiguity if that isn't a delusion either]].