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** And to matters worse he's married to a GreenEyedMonster viciously takes out her jealousy on Patsey both physically and psychologically.
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** [[WildMassGuessing Considering their history of never being heard or seen of again it's almost fitting...]]
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* TheWoobie: Solomon, first and foremost, but ''especially'' Patsy. Patsey. In her first few minutes onscreen, Mistress Epps throws a crystal decanter at her face, and she later claws that spot that she hit on Patsy's Patsey's face.
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* CompleteMonster: Edwin Epps is a chilling, living example of the utter horrors of slavery and all that it entails. Epps runs his plantation with an iron fist and any slave who picks less than 200 pounds of cotton a day are [[ATasteOfTheLash given the lash]]. Succeeding is no guarantee of safety, as Epps is liable to fly into violent furies when he's drunk, or [[ForTheEvulz just because he wants to hurt someone.]] Epps forces the slaves out of needed sleep to force them to dance for his amusement in a parody of a Gentleman's Ball and focuses especially on a beautiful slave named Patsey who he calls his Queen Of The Field for her talent with cotton-picking. Epps repeatedly rapes her, saying he can do what he wants with his property. He also flies into jealous furies over Patsy and later in the film forces TheHero Solomon to whip her by holding a gun to Solomon's head. Losing patience, Epps simply takes the whip from Solomon and lashes into Patsy until her back is cut to bloody shreds. And when Solomon is revealed to be a free man, he can only think of the ''[[ItsAllAboutMe monetary loss]]'' this means to him.
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* CompleteMonster: Edwin Epps is a chilling, living example of the utter horrors of slavery and all that it entails. Epps runs his plantation with an iron fist and any slave who picks less than 200 pounds of cotton a day are [[ATasteOfTheLash given the lash]]. Succeeding is no guarantee of safety, as Epps is liable to fly into violent furies when he's drunk, or [[ForTheEvulz just because he wants to hurt someone.]] Epps forces the slaves out of needed sleep to force them to dance for his amusement in a parody of a Gentleman's Ball and focuses especially on a beautiful slave named Patsey who he calls his Queen Of The Field for her talent with cotton-picking. Epps repeatedly rapes her, saying he can do what he wants with his property. He also flies into jealous furies over Patsy Patsey and later in the film forces TheHero Solomon to whip her by holding a gun to Solomon's head. Losing patience, Epps simply takes the whip from Solomon and lashes into Patsy Patsey until her back is cut to bloody shreds. And when Solomon is revealed to be a free man, he can only think of the ''[[ItsAllAboutMe monetary loss]]'' this means to him.
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* JerkassWoobie: Mistress Epps is a vile, cruel woman and treats poor Patsy horrendously, but her own life is far from fun: her husband is not only blatantly cheating on her but - adding insult to injury - doing the cheating with a slave, and openly states he prefers said slave to her.
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* JerkassWoobie: Mistress Epps is a vile, cruel woman and treats poor Patsy Patsey horrendously, but her own life is far from fun: her husband is not only blatantly cheating on her but - adding insult to injury - doing the cheating with a slave, and openly states he prefers said slave to her.
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* CompleteMonster: Edwin Epps is a chilling, living example of the utter horrors of slavery and all that it entails. Epps runs his plantation with an iron fist and any slave who picks less than 200 pounds of cotton a day are [[ATasteOfTheLash given the lash]]. Succeeding is no guarantee of safety, as Epps is liable to fly into violent furies when he's drunk, or [[ForTheEvulz just because he wants to hurt someone.]] Epps forces the slaves out of needed sleep to force them to dance for his amusement in a parody of a Gentleman's Ball and focuses especially on a beautiful slave named Patsy who he calls his Queen Of The Field for her talent with cotton-picking. Epps repeatedly rapes her, saying he can do what he wants with his property. He also flies into jealous furies over Patsy and later in the film forces TheHero Solomon to whip her by holding a gun to Solomon's head. Losing patience, Epps simply takes the whip from Solomon and lashes into Patsy until her back is cut to bloody shreds. And when Solomon is revealed to be a free man, he can only think of the ''[[ItsAllAboutMe monetary loss]]'' this means to him.
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* CompleteMonster: Edwin Epps is a chilling, living example of the utter horrors of slavery and all that it entails. Epps runs his plantation with an iron fist and any slave who picks less than 200 pounds of cotton a day are [[ATasteOfTheLash given the lash]]. Succeeding is no guarantee of safety, as Epps is liable to fly into violent furies when he's drunk, or [[ForTheEvulz just because he wants to hurt someone.]] Epps forces the slaves out of needed sleep to force them to dance for his amusement in a parody of a Gentleman's Ball and focuses especially on a beautiful slave named Patsy Patsey who he calls his Queen Of The Field for her talent with cotton-picking. Epps repeatedly rapes her, saying he can do what he wants with his property. He also flies into jealous furies over Patsy and later in the film forces TheHero Solomon to whip her by holding a gun to Solomon's head. Losing patience, Epps simply takes the whip from Solomon and lashes into Patsy until her back is cut to bloody shreds. And when Solomon is revealed to be a free man, he can only think of the ''[[ItsAllAboutMe monetary loss]]'' this means to him.
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* CompleteMonster: Edwin Epps is a chilling, living example of the utter horrors of slavery and all that it entails. Epps runs his plantation with an iron fist and any slave who picks less than 200 pounds of cotton a day are [[ATasteOfTheLash given the lash]]. Succeeding is no guarantee of safety, as Epps is liable to fly into violent furies when he's drunk, or [[ForTheEvulz just because he wants to hurt someone.]] Epps forces the slaves out of needed sleep to force them to dance for his amusement in a parody of a Gentleman's Ball and focuses especially on a beautiful slave named Patsy who he calls his Queen Of The Field for her talent with cotton-picking. Epps repeatedly rapes her, saying he can do what he wants with his property. He also flies into jealous furies over Patsy and later in the film forces TheHero Solomon to whip her by holding a gun to Solomon's head. Losing patience, Epps simply takes the whip from Solomon and lashes into Patsy until her back is cut to bloody shreds.
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* CompleteMonster: Edwin Epps is a chilling, living example of the utter horrors of slavery and all that it entails. Epps runs his plantation with an iron fist and any slave who picks less than 200 pounds of cotton a day are [[ATasteOfTheLash given the lash]]. Succeeding is no guarantee of safety, as Epps is liable to fly into violent furies when he's drunk, or [[ForTheEvulz just because he wants to hurt someone.]] Epps forces the slaves out of needed sleep to force them to dance for his amusement in a parody of a Gentleman's Ball and focuses especially on a beautiful slave named Patsy who he calls his Queen Of The Field for her talent with cotton-picking. Epps repeatedly rapes her, saying he can do what he wants with his property. He also flies into jealous furies over Patsy and later in the film forces TheHero Solomon to whip her by holding a gun to Solomon's head. Losing patience, Epps simply takes the whip from Solomon and lashes into Patsy until her back is cut to bloody shreds. And when Solomon is revealed to be a free man, he can only think of the ''[[ItsAllAboutMe monetary loss]]'' this means to him.
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* TheWoobie: Solomon, first and foremost, but ''especially'' Patsy. In her first few minutes onscreen, Mistress Epps throws a crystal decanter at her face, and she later claws that spot that she hit on Patsy's face.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Hans Zimmer outdoes himself again. The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqodUJ-UfM trailer alone]] makes haunting use of his score from TheThinRedLine.
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** It should also be noted that the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy Lost Cause of the Confederacy]] myth still has great traction in parts of American society. If this film stops people romanticizing a racist nation built on white supremacy, then that will certainly qualify it as a anvil needing dropped.
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* JerkassWoobie: Mistress Epps is vile and treats poor Patsy horrendously, but her own life is far from fun: her husband is not only blatantly committing adultery but - adding insult to injury - doing it with a slave, and openly states he prefers said slave to her.
** Arguably Epps as well, if Michael Fassbender's {{Love Makes You Crazy}} interpretation is to be believed--his alcoholism and inner rage can stem from being in love with Patsy and not being able to express it either from self-hatred, social stigma, and life setting.. May be a complex and controversial form of {{Truth in Television}} as the psychological term for this is called reaction-formation--in which "unacceptable emotions and feelings are mastered by exaggeration of the directly opposing tendency."(i.e. He reacts with hate towards what he hates in himself, such as a repressed homosexual campaigning against open homosexuals.) Still doesn't justify the things he does, and both Epps' are terrible people.
** Arguably Epps as well, if Michael Fassbender's {{Love Makes You Crazy}} interpretation is to be believed--his alcoholism and inner rage can stem from being in love with Patsy and not being able to express it either from self-hatred, social stigma, and life setting.. May be a complex and controversial form of {{Truth in Television}} as the psychological term for this is called reaction-formation--in which "unacceptable emotions and feelings are mastered by exaggeration of the directly opposing tendency."(i.e. He reacts with hate towards what he hates in himself, such as a repressed homosexual campaigning against open homosexuals.) Still doesn't justify the things he does, and both Epps' are terrible people.
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* JerkassWoobie: Mistress Epps is vile a vile, cruel woman and treats poor Patsy horrendously, but her own life is far from fun: her husband is not only blatantly committing adultery cheating on her but - adding insult to injury - doing it the cheating with a slave, and openly states he prefers said slave to her.
** Arguably Epps as well, if Michael Fassbender's {{Love Makes You Crazy}} interpretation is to be believed--his alcoholism and inner rage can stem from being in love with Patsy and not being able to express it either from self-hatred, social stigma, and life setting.. May be a complex and controversial form of {{Truth in Television}} as the psychological term for this is called reaction-formation--in which "unacceptable emotions and feelings are mastered by exaggeration of the directly opposing tendency."(i.e. He reacts with hate towards what he hates in himself, such as a repressed homosexual campaigning against open homosexuals.) Still doesn't justify the things he does, though, and both Epps' are terrible people.
** Arguably Epps as well, if Michael Fassbender's {{Love Makes You Crazy}} interpretation is to be believed--his alcoholism and inner rage can stem from being in love with Patsy and not being able to express it either from self-hatred, social stigma, and life setting.. May be a complex and controversial form of {{Truth in Television}} as the psychological term for this is called reaction-formation--in which "unacceptable emotions and feelings are mastered by exaggeration of the directly opposing tendency."(i.e. He reacts with hate towards what he hates in himself, such as a repressed homosexual campaigning against open homosexuals.) Still doesn't justify the things he does, though, and both Epps' are terrible people.
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* JerkassWoobie: Mistress Epps is vile and treats poor Patsy horrendously, but her own life is far from fun; her husband is not only blatantly committing adultery but - adding insult to injury - doing it with a slave, and openly states he prefers said slave to her.
Arguably Epps as well, if Michael Fassbender's {{Love Makes You Crazy}} interpretation is to be believed--his alcoholism and inner rage can stem from being in love with Patsy and not being able to express it either from self-hatred, social stigma, and life setting.. May be a complex and controversial form of {{Truth in Television}} as the psychological term for this is called reaction-formation--in which "unacceptable emotions and feelings are mastered by exaggeration of the directly opposing tendency."(i.e. He reacts with hate towards what he hates in himself, such as a repressed homosexual campaigning against open homosexuals.) Still doesn't justify the things he does, and both Epps' are terrible people.
Arguably Epps as well, if Michael Fassbender's {{Love Makes You Crazy}} interpretation is to be believed--his alcoholism and inner rage can stem from being in love with Patsy and not being able to express it either from self-hatred, social stigma, and life setting.. May be a complex and controversial form of {{Truth in Television}} as the psychological term for this is called reaction-formation--in which "unacceptable emotions and feelings are mastered by exaggeration of the directly opposing tendency."(i.e. He reacts with hate towards what he hates in himself, such as a repressed homosexual campaigning against open homosexuals.) Still doesn't justify the things he does, and both Epps' are terrible people.
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* JerkassWoobie: Mistress Epps is vile and treats poor Patsy horrendously, but her own life is far from fun; fun: her husband is not only blatantly committing adultery but - adding insult to injury - doing it with a slave, and openly states he prefers said slave to her.
** Arguably Epps as well, if Michael Fassbender's {{Love Makes You Crazy}} interpretation is to be believed--his alcoholism and inner rage can stem from being in love with Patsy and not being able to express it either from self-hatred, social stigma, and life setting.. May be a complex and controversial form of {{Truth in Television}} as the psychological term for this is called reaction-formation--in which "unacceptable emotions and feelings are mastered by exaggeration of the directly opposing tendency."(i.e. He reacts with hate towards what he hates in himself, such as a repressed homosexual campaigning against open homosexuals.) Still doesn't justify the things he does, and both Epps' are terrible people.
** Arguably Epps as well, if Michael Fassbender's {{Love Makes You Crazy}} interpretation is to be believed--his alcoholism and inner rage can stem from being in love with Patsy and not being able to express it either from self-hatred, social stigma, and life setting.. May be a complex and controversial form of {{Truth in Television}} as the psychological term for this is called reaction-formation--in which "unacceptable emotions and feelings are mastered by exaggeration of the directly opposing tendency."(i.e. He reacts with hate towards what he hates in himself, such as a repressed homosexual campaigning against open homosexuals.) Still doesn't justify the things he does, and both Epps' are terrible people.
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Arguably Epps as well, if Michael Fassbender's {{Love Makes You Crazy}} interpretation is to be believed--his alcoholism and inner rage can stem from being in love with Patsy and not being able to express it either from self-hatred, social stigma, and life setting.. May be a complex and controversial form of {{Truth in Television}} as the psychological term for this is called reaction-formation--in which "unacceptable emotions and feelings are mastered by exaggeration of the directly opposing tendency."(i.e. He reacts with hate towards what he hates in himself, such as a repressed homosexual campaigning against open homosexuals.) Still doesn't justify the things he does, and both Epps' are terrible people.
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** The Epps. One's a bible-thumping rapist, the other is a psychotic {{Yandere}}. Both constantly seem thirty seconds away from killing one of their slaves.
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* JerkassWoobie: Mistress Epps is vile and treats poor Patsy appallingly, horrendously, but her own life is far from fun; her husband is not only blatantly committing adultery but - adding insult to injury - doing it with a slave.slave, and openly states he prefers said slave to her.
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* TheWoobie: Solomon, first and foremost, but ''especially'' Patsy. In her first few minutes onscreen, Mistress Epps throws a crystal decanter at her face, and she later claws that spot that she hit on Patsy's face.
* TheWoobie: Solomon, first and foremost, but ''especially'' Patsy. In her first few minutes onscreen, Mistress Epps throws a crystal decanter at her face, and she later claws that spot that she hit on Patsy's face.
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* OneSceneWonder: Alfre Woodard is in the film for perhaps two whole minutes, but manages to provide a novel's worth of commentary on the nuances of surviving an oppressive system by embracing it. She is a black woman and technically a slave owner, after all.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The "slavery is bad" moral may seem like an obvious one, but it needs to be remembered that the original memoir was written in a world where slavery was still a cornerstone of the American economy, and going strong. The 2013 film's writers and producer want to shake the audience's sensibilities, and [[PoliticallyCorrectHistory our perception of slavery in the modern era.]] Particularly in light of HateDumb above.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The "slavery is bad" moral may seem like an obvious one, but it needs to be remembered that the original memoir was written in a world where slavery was still a cornerstone of the American economy, and going strong. The 2013 film's writers and producer want to shake the audience's sensibilities, and [[PoliticallyCorrectHistory our perception of slavery in the modern era.]] Particularly in light of HateDumb above.above.
* TearJerker: The entire ending.
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* CompleteMonster: Edwin Epps is a chilling, living example of the utter horrors of slavery and all that it entails. Epps runs his plantation with an iron fist and any slave who picks less than 200 pounds of cotton a day are [[ATasteOfTheLash given the lash]]. Succeeding is no guarantee of safety, as Epps is liable to fly into violent furies when he's drunk, or [[ForTheEvulz just because he wants to hurt someone.]] Epps forces the slaves out of needed sleep to force them to dance for his amusement in a parody of a Gentleman's Ball and focuses especially on a beautiful slave named Patsy who he calls his Queen Of The Field for her talent with cotton-picking. Epps repeatedly rapes her, saying he can do what he wants with his property. He also flies into jealous furies over Patsy and later in the film forces TheHero Solomon to whip her by holding a gun to Solomon's head. Losing patience, Epps simply takes the whip from Solomon and lashes into Patsy until her back is cut to bloody shreds.
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* CompleteMonster: Edwin Epps essentially invokes this, showing in no uncertain terms the absolute worst of what slave owners are capable of. He gets off on [[ATasteOfTheLash whipping his slaves repeatedly]] [[ForTheEvulz on practically a whim]], making them get up dance for his own sadistic amusement, and repeatedly raping a teenage slave, also making no secret about the latter and reveling in how Patsy is his sex-toy. This is all to say nothing for his [[AxCrazy violent episodes]]. He never shows any regret over his actions and doesn't believe them at all wrong, since in his own words "a man does what he wants with his property".
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: A party of slaves runs into a group of Native Americans out in the bayou. They have a powwow together. Nothing is heard or seen of the Natives again.
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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The original memoir was written in a world where slavery was still a cornerstone of the American economy, and going strong. The 2013 film's writers and producer want to shake the audience's sensibilities, and [[PoliticallyCorrectHistory our perception of slavery in the modern era.]] Particularly in light of HateDumb below.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Slavery is bad. ... Wow, shocker.
** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The original memoir was writtenCompleteMonster: Edwin Epps essentially invokes this, showing in a world where slavery was still a cornerstone of no uncertain terms the American economy, absolute worst of what slave owners are capable of. He gets off on [[ATasteOfTheLash whipping his slaves repeatedly]] [[ForTheEvulz on practically a whim]], making them get up dance for his own sadistic amusement, and going strong. The 2013 film's writers repeatedly raping a teenage slave, also making no secret about the latter and producer want reveling in how Patsy is his sex-toy. This is all to shake the audience's sensibilities, say nothing for his [[AxCrazy violent episodes]]. He never shows any regret over his actions and [[PoliticallyCorrectHistory our perception of slavery doesn't believe them at all wrong, since in the modern era.]] Particularly in light of HateDumb below.his own words "a man does what he wants with his property".
** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The original memoir was written
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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The original memoir was written in a world where slavery was still a cornerstone of the American economy, and going strong. The 2013 film's writers and producer want to shake the audience's sensibilities, and [[PoliticallyCorrectHistory our perception of slavery in the modern era.]]]] Particularly in light of HateDumb below.
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*HateDumb: Avoid the comments sections for any of the film's trailers, if you don't want to see hordes of racist trolls calling this film "anti-white".
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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The original memoir was written in a world where slavery was still a cornerstone of the American economy, and growing stronger all the time.going strong. The 2013 film's writers and producer want to shake the audience's sensibilities, and [[PoliticallyCorrectHistory our perception of slavery in the modern era.]]
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* Anvilicious: Slavery is bad. ... Wow, shocker.
** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The original memoir was written in a world where slavery was still a cornerstone of the American economy, and growing stronger all the time. The 2013 film's writers and producer want to shake the audience's sensibilities, and [[PoliticallyCorrectHistory our perception of slavery in the modern era.]]
* NightmareFuel: The idea that in one night, your entire identity could be taken away from you, and every time you try to profess who you are, you either aren't believed or you put your life in danger.
** Whippings. If you didn't think ATasteOfTheLash was that scary, ''you will.''
** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The original memoir was written in a world where slavery was still a cornerstone of the American economy, and growing stronger all the time. The 2013 film's writers and producer want to shake the audience's sensibilities, and [[PoliticallyCorrectHistory our perception of slavery in the modern era.]]
* NightmareFuel: The idea that in one night, your entire identity could be taken away from you, and every time you try to profess who you are, you either aren't believed or you put your life in danger.
** Whippings. If you didn't think ATasteOfTheLash was that scary, ''you will.''