History YMMV / TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen

11th Dec '17 10:58:45 AM Anddrix
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* LoveItOrHateIt:
** While this is largely considered the worst ''Transformers'' live-action film by critics and a good portion of the fanbase (due to its slapdash nature, over-used humor and underdeveloped plot), a good number of Transformers fans consider it to be the best of the trilogy, owing to it being the only one that ''feels like Transformers'' (The first movie had a far greater focus on humans - to the point of the Transformers almost being a secondary plot, while the third felt detatched from the mythos, changed several characters' core personalties and felt more like a ''Star Trek'' movie to some people).
** In retrospect, with its lower-quality writing and cheesy plotline, it ''does'' feel a lot more like the old 80's cartoon.



* NeverLiveItDown: Before the release of ''[=RotF=]'', the first ''Transformers'' movie was pretty well-liked but still [[LoveItOrHateIt debatable]] (even being nominated for a People's Choice Award). After the release of ''[=RotF=]'', people started lumping the first movie together with its sequels as one of the "worst action movies of all time", and generally feel that any sequel released will inevitably fall into the same pit of putrid quality (including the two that have already been released).

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* NeverLiveItDown: Before the release of ''[=RotF=]'', the first ''Transformers'' movie was pretty well-liked but still [[LoveItOrHateIt debatable]] debatable (even being nominated for a People's Choice Award). After the release of ''[=RotF=]'', people started lumping the first movie together with its sequels as one of the "worst action movies of all time", and generally feel that any sequel released will inevitably fall into the same pit of putrid quality (including the two that have already been released).
1st Dec '17 12:19:53 PM ACW
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** ''[[Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen Revenge of the Fallen]]'': The Fallen, also known as [[SatanicArchetype Megatronus Prime]], is this film's BigBad and the film universe's first Decepticon. Originally one of the 7 members of the Dynasty of Primes, The Fallen betrayed his brothers and attempted to use the Star Harvester on Earth's Sun regardless of the Dynasty's code against taking life, solely because of his FantasticRacism towards primitive humankind. Eons after his defeat, The Fallen corrupts Megatron, creates the Decepticons, and orders him to find the All Spark, [[GreaterScopeVillain making him responsible]] for the events of the first film. After he lures Optimus Prime to his death using Sam as bait, The Fallen sank an aircraft carrier, attacked several human cities, and slaughtered a sizable military force while acquiring the Matrix of Leadership to activate the Star Harvester again, fully intending to [[OmnicidalManiac wipe out the human race]].

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** ''[[Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen Revenge of the Fallen]]'': The **The Fallen, also known as [[SatanicArchetype Megatronus Prime]], is this film's BigBad and the film universe's first Decepticon. Originally one of the 7 members of the Dynasty of Primes, The Fallen betrayed his brothers and attempted to use the Star Harvester on Earth's Sun regardless of the Dynasty's code against taking life, solely because of his FantasticRacism towards primitive humankind. Eons after his defeat, The Fallen corrupts Megatron, creates the Decepticons, and orders him to find the All Spark, [[GreaterScopeVillain making him responsible]] for the events of the first film. After he lures Optimus Prime to his death using Sam as bait, The Fallen sank an aircraft carrier, attacked several human cities, and slaughtered a sizable military force while acquiring the Matrix of Leadership to activate the Star Harvester again, fully intending to [[OmnicidalManiac wipe out the human race]].
1st Dec '17 12:19:41 PM ACW
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** [[SpellMyNameWithAThe The Fallen]], also known as [[SatanicArchetype Megatronus Prime]], is this film's BigBad and the film universe's first Decepticon. Originally one of the 7 members of the Dynasty of Primes, The Fallen betrayed his brothers and attempted to [[KillAllHumans use the Star Harvester on Earth's Sun]] regardless of the Dynasty's code against taking life, solely because of his FantasticRacism towards primitive humankind. Eons after his defeat, The Fallen corrupts Megatron, creates the Decepticons, and [[TheManBehindTheMan orders him to find the All Spark]], [[GreaterScopeVillain making him responsible]] for the events of the first film. After he lures Optimus Prime to his death using Sam as bait, The Fallen sank an aircraft carrier, attacked several human cities, and slaughtered a sizable military force while acquiring the Matrix of Leadership to activate the Star Harvester again, fully intending to [[OmnicidalManiac wipe out the human race]].

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** [[SpellMyNameWithAThe ''[[Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen Revenge of the Fallen]]'': The Fallen]], Fallen, also known as [[SatanicArchetype Megatronus Prime]], is this film's BigBad and the film universe's first Decepticon. Originally one of the 7 members of the Dynasty of Primes, The Fallen betrayed his brothers and attempted to [[KillAllHumans use the Star Harvester on Earth's Sun]] Sun regardless of the Dynasty's code against taking life, solely because of his FantasticRacism towards primitive humankind. Eons after his defeat, The Fallen corrupts Megatron, creates the Decepticons, and [[TheManBehindTheMan orders him to find the All Spark]], Spark, [[GreaterScopeVillain making him responsible]] for the events of the first film. After he lures Optimus Prime to his death using Sam as bait, The Fallen sank an aircraft carrier, attacked several human cities, and slaughtered a sizable military force while acquiring the Matrix of Leadership to activate the Star Harvester again, fully intending to [[OmnicidalManiac wipe out the human race]].
24th Sep '17 4:50:46 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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* EthnicScrappy: Mudflap and Skids, are seen as a grotesquely annoying displaying of pretty much every single negative African-American stereotype. It certainly didn't help they were also a SpotlightStealingSquad along with the humans (and, less unfavorably, Bumblebee). Thankfully, Michael Bay recognized how unpopular they were, and they managed to avoid the CreatorsPet curse by being almost completely cut from [[TransformersDarkOfTheMoon the sequel]] (and by [[TakeThatScrappy being killed off]] by [[spoiler:Sentinel Prime]] in its adaptations).

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* EthnicScrappy: Mudflap and Skids, are seen as a grotesquely annoying displaying of pretty much every single negative African-American stereotype. It certainly didn't help they were also a already not helping their case by being SpotlightStealingSquad along with the humans (and, less unfavorably, Bumblebee).Bumblebee), are also seen in many ways seen as racist caricatures of urban African-Americans. Thankfully, Michael Bay recognized how unpopular they were, and they managed to avoid the CreatorsPet curse by being almost completely cut from [[TransformersDarkOfTheMoon the sequel]] (and by [[TakeThatScrappy being killed off]] by [[spoiler:Sentinel Prime]] in its adaptations).
24th Sep '17 4:46:22 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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* EthnicScrappy: Mudflap and Skids, who were also a SpotlightStealingSquad along with the humans (and, less unfavorably, Bumblebee). Thankfully, Michael Bay recognized how unpopular they were, and they managed to avoid the CreatorsPet curse by being almost completely cut from [[TransformersDarkOfTheMoon the sequel]] (and by [[TakeThatScrappy being killed off]] by [[spoiler:Sentinel Prime]] in its adaptations).

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* EthnicScrappy: Mudflap and Skids, who are seen as a grotesquely annoying displaying of pretty much every single negative African-American stereotype. It certainly didn't help they were also a SpotlightStealingSquad along with the humans (and, less unfavorably, Bumblebee). Thankfully, Michael Bay recognized how unpopular they were, and they managed to avoid the CreatorsPet curse by being almost completely cut from [[TransformersDarkOfTheMoon the sequel]] (and by [[TakeThatScrappy being killed off]] by [[spoiler:Sentinel Prime]] in its adaptations).
31st Jul '17 9:23:59 PM DoctorFluffy
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* MemeticPsychopath: The above-mentioned line "Give me your face" line [[MemeticMutation especially blew up]] on TFWikiDotNet, and for awhile references to Optimus stealing faces were [[NeverLiveItDown inescapable]] on the wiki. Standout examples include:
** The page for [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Empurata]].

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* MemeticPsychopath: The above-mentioned line "Give me your face" line [[MemeticMutation especially blew up]] on TFWikiDotNet, TFWikiDotNet, and for awhile references to Optimus stealing faces were [[NeverLiveItDown inescapable]] on the wiki. Standout examples include:
** The page for [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Empurata]].net/wiki/Empurata Empurata]].
31st Jul '17 9:23:37 PM DoctorFluffy
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Added DiffLines:

* MemeticPsychopath: The above-mentioned line "Give me your face" line [[MemeticMutation especially blew up]] on TFWikiDotNet, and for awhile references to Optimus stealing faces were [[NeverLiveItDown inescapable]] on the wiki. Standout examples include:
** The page for [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Empurata]].
** [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Decapitation Decapitation]].
21st Jul '17 1:21:58 PM jto5334t
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Some accused Michael Bay of holding an anti-UsefulNotes/BarackObama agenda, since he is specifically mentioned as being the president, and the government officials go from being generally cooperative (albeit in over their heads) in the last film to being complete jerkwads in this one. However, as Bay pointed out, the screenplay was completed and filming began at the start of 2008, before he or anyone else involved knew that the ''Democrats would nominate'' Obama. (UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton was still the favorite for their nomination at the start of 2008, albeit by a slim margin), much less that he would out-poll all other presidential candidates. Furthermore, Bay and the writers are known Democratic voters and meant no offense to Obama, and the decision to namedrop him occurred ''after'' Obama became president. Additionally, Obama is only mentioned in a brief line and shown in a few brief shots of news footage, both of which were obviously changes made in post-production. The line and snippet of footage could've easily been changed to focus on John [=McCain=] had he won the 2008 election.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Some accused Michael Bay of holding an anti-UsefulNotes/BarackObama agenda, since he is specifically mentioned as being the president, and the government officials go from being generally cooperative (albeit in over their heads) in the last film to being complete jerkwads in this one. However, as Bay pointed out, the screenplay was completed and filming began at the start of 2008, before he or anyone else involved knew that the ''Democrats would nominate'' Obama. Obama (UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton was still the favorite for their nomination at the start of 2008, albeit by a slim margin), much less that he would out-poll all other presidential candidates. Furthermore, Bay and the writers are known Democratic voters and meant no offense to Obama, and the decision to namedrop him occurred ''after'' Obama became president. Additionally, Obama is only mentioned in a brief line and shown in a few brief shots of news footage, both of which were obviously changes made in post-production. The line and snippet of footage could've easily been changed to focus on John [=McCain=] had he won the 2008 election.
21st Jul '17 1:21:20 PM jto5334t
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* WhatDoYouMeanIt'sNotPolitical: Some accused Michael Bay of holding an anti-UsefulNotes/BarackObama agenda, since he is specifically mentioned as being the president, and the government officials go from being generally cooperative (albeit in over their heads) in the last film to being complete jerkwads in this one. However, as Bay pointed out, the screenplay was completed and filming began at the start of 2008, before he or anyone else involved knew that the ''Democrats would nominate'' Obama. (UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton was still the favorite for their nomination at the start of 2008, albeit by a slim margin), much less that he would out-poll all other presidential candidates. Furthermore, Bay and the writers are known Democratic voters and meant no offense to Obama, and the decision to namedrop him occurred ''after'' Obama became president. Additionally, Obama is only mentioned in a brief line and shown in a few brief shots of news footage, both of which were obviously changes made in post-production. The line and snippet of footage could've easily been changed to focus on John [=McCain=] had he won the 2008 election.

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* WhatDoYouMeanIt'sNotPolitical: WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Some accused Michael Bay of holding an anti-UsefulNotes/BarackObama agenda, since he is specifically mentioned as being the president, and the government officials go from being generally cooperative (albeit in over their heads) in the last film to being complete jerkwads in this one. However, as Bay pointed out, the screenplay was completed and filming began at the start of 2008, before he or anyone else involved knew that the ''Democrats would nominate'' Obama. (UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton was still the favorite for their nomination at the start of 2008, albeit by a slim margin), much less that he would out-poll all other presidential candidates. Furthermore, Bay and the writers are known Democratic voters and meant no offense to Obama, and the decision to namedrop him occurred ''after'' Obama became president. Additionally, Obama is only mentioned in a brief line and shown in a few brief shots of news footage, both of which were obviously changes made in post-production. The line and snippet of footage could've easily been changed to focus on John [=McCain=] had he won the 2008 election.
21st Jul '17 1:20:38 PM jto5334t
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* {{Misblamed}}: Some accused Michael Bay of holding an anti-UsefulNotes/BarackObama agenda, since he is specifically mentioned as being the president, and the government officials go from being generally cooperative (albeit in over their heads) in the last film to being complete jerkwads in this one. However, as Bay pointed out, the screenplay was completed and filming began at the start of 2008, before he or anyone else involved knew that the ''Democrats would nominate'' Obama (UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton was still the favorite for their nomination at the start of 2008, albeit by a slim margin), much less that he would out-poll all other presidential candidates. Furthermore, Bay and the writers are known Democratic voters and meant no offense to Obama, and the decision to namedrop him occurred ''after'' Obama became president. Additionally, Obama is only mentioned in a brief line and shown in a few brief shots of news footage, both of which were obviously changes made in post-production. The line and snippet of footage could've easily been changed to focus on John [=McCain=] had he won the 2008 election.
** The twins were improvised by their actors. Granted, Bay could have toned their UnfortunateImplications down.

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* {{Misblamed}}: Some accused Michael Bay of holding an anti-UsefulNotes/BarackObama agenda, since he is specifically mentioned as being the president, and the government officials go from being generally cooperative (albeit in over their heads) in the last film to being complete jerkwads in this one. However, as Bay pointed out, the screenplay was completed and filming began at the start of 2008, before he or anyone else involved knew that the ''Democrats would nominate'' Obama (UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton was still the favorite for their nomination at the start of 2008, albeit by a slim margin), much less that he would out-poll all other presidential candidates. Furthermore, Bay and the writers are known Democratic voters and meant no offense to Obama, and the decision to namedrop him occurred ''after'' Obama became president. Additionally, Obama is only mentioned in a brief line and shown in a few brief shots of news footage, both of which were obviously changes made in post-production. The line and snippet of footage could've easily been changed to focus on John [=McCain=] had he won the 2008 election.
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The twins were improvised by their actors. Granted, Bay could have toned their UnfortunateImplications down.



* ValuesDissonance: The entire reason why Skids and Mudflap were later removed entirely from the later films.

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* ValuesDissonance: The entire reason why Skids and Mudflap were later removed entirely from the later films.films.
* WhatDoYouMeanIt'sNotPolitical: Some accused Michael Bay of holding an anti-UsefulNotes/BarackObama agenda, since he is specifically mentioned as being the president, and the government officials go from being generally cooperative (albeit in over their heads) in the last film to being complete jerkwads in this one. However, as Bay pointed out, the screenplay was completed and filming began at the start of 2008, before he or anyone else involved knew that the ''Democrats would nominate'' Obama. (UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton was still the favorite for their nomination at the start of 2008, albeit by a slim margin), much less that he would out-poll all other presidential candidates. Furthermore, Bay and the writers are known Democratic voters and meant no offense to Obama, and the decision to namedrop him occurred ''after'' Obama became president. Additionally, Obama is only mentioned in a brief line and shown in a few brief shots of news footage, both of which were obviously changes made in post-production. The line and snippet of footage could've easily been changed to focus on John [=McCain=] had he won the 2008 election.
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