History YMMV / TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen

23rd Oct '16 6:19:35 PM dlchen145
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** There's debate over whether Skids and Mudflap were really that bad -- many people point out that if Michael Bay actually possessed a decent sense of humor, they could have been ActuallyPrettyFunny ''and'' {{badass}}. As it was, all their humor was based on derogatory stereotypes.

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** There's debate over whether Skids and Mudflap were really that bad -- many people point out that if Michael Bay actually possessed a decent sense of humor, they could have been ActuallyPrettyFunny ''and'' {{badass}}.badass. As it was, all their humor was based on derogatory stereotypes.



** Megatron starts his BadassDecay in earnest here, going from the supreme {{Badass}} of the first movie to the Fallen's YesMan. However, this is nothing compared to what happens to him in ''Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon''... but then [[spoiler: [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap he gets his cool factor back]] as [[Film/TransformersAgeOfExtinction Galvatron]]]].

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** Megatron starts his BadassDecay in earnest here, going from the supreme {{Badass}} badass of the first movie to the Fallen's YesMan. However, this is nothing compared to what happens to him in ''Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon''... but then [[spoiler: [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap he gets his cool factor back]] as [[Film/TransformersAgeOfExtinction Galvatron]]]].
2nd Oct '16 5:05:21 AM Imjustme
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2nd Oct '16 5:04:10 AM Imjustme
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**''Alice'', a Cybertronian Pretender who could perfectly mimic any human. She could easily have become a threat had she assassinated and imitated someone like a military general, where she could have actively worked to worsen human/Autobot relationships and sabotaged NEST from the inside. But instead, she was only used as a cheap device for the RomanticPlotTumour.
2nd Oct '16 4:19:46 AM Imjustme
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** The Pretender Alice, whose presence in the plot feels rather forced, exacerbating the [[RomanticPlotTumor already contentious]] Sam and Mikaela subplot, and the film [[MoodWhiplash having difficulty deciding]] if it wants her to be scary or funny.

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** The Pretender Alice, whose presence in the plot feels rather forced, exacerbating the [[RomanticPlotTumor already contentious]] Sam and Mikaela subplot, and the film [[MoodWhiplash having difficulty deciding]] if it wants her to be scary or funny. The fact that a concept bringing in as much ParanoiaFuel as her, ''did'' actually have the potential to be something very dangerous and interesting, certainly doesn't help the disappointment over how she was used as just a romantic plot device either.
2nd Sep '16 8:13:47 PM VyHuynh123
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** Any and all of the humans (barring maybe Simmons, Lennox, and Epps), but the worst offenders would have to be Sam's parents and Leo.

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** Any and all of the humans (barring maybe Simmons, Lennox, and Epps), but the worst offenders would have to be Sam's parents and Leo.Leo are the worst characters in the series for being a burden and annoyance. They have no significant influence to the plot.
25th Aug '16 4:34:27 PM TheTrailblazerCritic
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** Arcee, Chromia, and Elita-1 as well. They get even far less screen time and dialogue than the aforementioned Fallen, [[spoiler:Elita-1 is abruptly and cheaply KilledMidSentence during the finale, and both Arcee and Chromia subsequently suffer WhatHappenedToTheMouse statuses.]] Not helped at all by Michael Bay [[spoiler:confirming all three of them to be dead and that he killed them off out of sheer hatred of the characters.]]

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** Arcee, Chromia, and Elita-1 as well. They get even far less screen time and dialogue than the aforementioned Fallen, [[spoiler:Elita-1 is abruptly and cheaply KilledMidSentence during the finale, and both Arcee and Chromia subsequently suffer WhatHappenedToTheMouse statuses.]] Not helped at all by Michael Bay [[spoiler:confirming all three of them to be dead and that he killed them off out of sheer hatred of the characters.]]]]
* UncannyValley: The Autobots and the Decepticons taking on increasingly human-like features as part of their primary modes; for example, the Fallen's "beard" and head resembling an Egyptian headdress. This would later become a norm for the sequels.
** Perhaps more disconcertingly, Skids and Mudflap, who along with their already stereotypical behavior were widely accused of mimicking blackface.
** Finally, Devastator's wrecking balls.
* ValuesDissonance: The entire reason why Skids and Mudflap were later removed entirely from the later films.
23rd Aug '16 3:51:02 PM TheTrailblazerCritic
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** Only just finding a shark of the AllSpark attached to his shirt a full ''two years'' after killing Megatron.

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** Only just finding a shark of the AllSpark [=AllSpark=] attached to his shirt a full ''two years'' after killing Megatron.


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** The ability of the Transformers to teleport, which we see from both Jetfire and the Fallen is not explained or an ability seen from equally powerful cybertronians like Optimus or Megatron.
23rd Aug '16 2:41:24 PM TheTrailblazerCritic
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* OlderThanTheyThink: The idea of Transformers like Alice who can turn into humans is actually nothing new. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretenders_(Transformers)#Standard_Pretenders_.281988.29 The Pretenders]] first appeared in Generation 1, and both sides had them. (Although in that version, a Pretender's disguise was more like PoweredArmor which could actually fight independently of the Pretender once it revealed itself.)


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** Michael Bay himself has yet to fully separate himself from the reputation this film has gained, as it helped cement what audiences and critics disliked most about his directing style.
* OlderThanTheyThink: The idea of Transformers like Alice who can turn into humans is actually nothing new. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretenders_(Transformers)#Standard_Pretenders_.281988.29 The Pretenders]] first appeared in Generation 1, and both sides had them. (Although in that version, a Pretender's disguise was more like PoweredArmor which could actually fight independently of the Pretender once it revealed itself.)
23rd Aug '16 2:37:01 PM TheTrailblazerCritic
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** Only just finding a shark of the AllSpark attached to his shirt a full ''two years'' after killing Megatron.
21st Jul '16 5:23:31 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** The titular Fallen. He's voiced by Creator/TonyTodd, the GreaterScopeVillain to all of the Decepticons, pretty DangerouslyGenreSavvy when it comes to picking his spots, and evidently quite a winner in the SuperpowerLottery. Sadly, he also turns out to be a textbook GenericDoomsdayVillain with the barest minimum of screen time, not to mention his extremely glaring [[spoiler:ForgotAboutHisPowers moment against Optimus that ultimately robs viewers of a satisfying final clash]]. And reportedly, even WordOfGod ultimately regrets how he's turned out.

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** The titular Fallen. He's voiced by Creator/TonyTodd, the GreaterScopeVillain to all of the Decepticons, pretty DangerouslyGenreSavvy savvy when it comes to picking his spots, and evidently quite a winner in the SuperpowerLottery. Sadly, he also turns out to be a textbook GenericDoomsdayVillain FlatCharacter with the barest minimum of screen time, not to mention his extremely glaring [[spoiler:ForgotAboutHisPowers moment against Optimus that ultimately robs viewers of a satisfying final clash]]. And reportedly, even WordOfGod ultimately regrets how he's turned out.
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