History YMMV / Touhou

9th Feb '16 8:20:28 PM Oecchi
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This is WAY too long. Paring it down a bit, as well as removing use of first person.
* ContinuityLockout: ''Touhou'' has this in spades, clubs, hearts ''and'' diamonds. It begins in the main games themselves; each game in the ''Touhou'' series has ''at least'' four endings; two bad endings and two good endings, one bad and one good for each playable character. If any other characters aside from the main character duo are playable, they, too, recieve one bad ending and one good ending each. Simple enough so far, right? Right... but oh so very wrong. See, the condition for getting one of the good endings is to clear the game without using a single continue. Did I mention that ''Touhou'' are NintendoHard BulletHell kinda games? There aren't all too many gamers with the sheer tenacity required to get all good endings. Well, no biggie, you can just check out the endings online, right? You wish. ZUN, the creator of the series, is amazingly encouraging when it comes to fan-creations, approves of online distribution of his games as [[NoExportForYou that's the only way for fans outside of Japan]] to enjoy them, and he's supportive of people uploading their playthroughs to the internet, too... BUT that last one comes with a compromise: People may not upload the endings of the games. If someone wants to see the endings, they'll have to earn the right to see them. And since ZUN is so accomidating on all other issues, most of his fans are accomidating enough to not upload the endings, so you're actually hard pressed to find them all online. And just to lock people even more out of the series' continuty there's the question "So what endings are canon?" The answer? "All of them are." The good endings and the bad endings of all the playable characters are all canon. [[LogicBomb Including the mutually exclusive ones.]] And unlike ''[=BlazBlue=]'', there are no alternate timelines at work in ''Touhou''; everything is canon within one and the same time-space continuity... Well, at least ''[=BlazBlue=]'' sorted its stuff out in supplemantary materials; maybe, you think, ''Touhou'' does the same? Hahaha-no. ''Touhou'' has numerous official mangas, but most of them are simple, character-centric, stand-alone SliceOfLife stories that, at best, provide some bare-boned WorldBuilding. ''Manga/SilentSinnerInBlue'', the only manga with a greater plot, which's entire point seems to be for [[ManipulativeBitch Yukari Yakumo]] to [[ScrewYouElves mess with]] [[SpaceElves the Lunarians]] anyway, comes across as nothing short of a ShaggyDogStory unless one also reads ''Manga/CageInLunaticRunagate''. And as for ''Touhou'''s {{Universe Compendium}}s, they are in-universe works authored and co-authored by {{Unreliable Narrator}}s, {{Unreliable Expositor}}s, {{Pretend Prejudice}}d {{Fantastic Racist}}s and more than one ShamelessSelfPromoter, most of them with [[KnowNothingKnowItAll little to no idea regarding what's actually going on]], provided ''they even care'' what's actually going on, and those who ''do'' know and care [[TheMasquerade refuse to tell the whole truth anyway]]. The pretty much only question the supplementary materials answer is how all the endings of all the games can be canonical: They're all re-tellings of the events of the games from the POV of different characters, each one attempting to spin the story to make themselves look good and each one making it even harder to comprehensively puzzle together the actual events that have transpired... Comments by ZUN suggest that [[TrollingCreator he feels a certain level of inaccessibility]] [[GenreSavvy is core to the]] ''[[GenreSavvy Touhou]]'' [[GenreSavvy experience]], regardless of medium, [[TropesAreNotBad and, sure enough]]; all of this Continuity Lock-Out and open-to-interpretation information has done its part in making ''Touhou'' the most prolific {{Doujin}} shooter series in the world with one of the most flourishing {{Fanon}}s you can find.
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* ContinuityLockout: ''Touhou'' has this in spades, clubs, hearts ''and'' diamonds.spades. It begins in the main games themselves; each game in the ''Touhou'' series has ''at least'' four endings; two bad endings and two good endings, one bad and one good for each playable character. If any other characters aside from the main character duo are playable, they, too, recieve one bad ending and one good ending each. Simple enough so far, right? Right... This seems simple enough, but oh so very wrong. See, the condition for getting one of the good endings is to clear the game without using a single continue. Did I mention that ''Touhou'' The games are also NintendoHard BulletHell kinda games? There aren't all too many gamers with the sheer tenacity required to get all good endings. Well, no biggie, you can just check out BulletHell, but looking up the endings online, right? You wish. online won't help; ZUN, the creator of the series, is amazingly encouraging when it comes to fan-creations, approves of online distribution of his games as [[NoExportForYou that's the only way for fans outside of Japan]] to enjoy them, and he's supportive of has asked people uploading their playthroughs to the internet, too... BUT that last one comes with a compromise: People may not to upload the endings of the games. If someone wants to see games, and for the endings, they'll most part the fans have to earn the right to see them. And since ZUN is so accomidating on all other issues, most of his fans are accomidating enough to not upload the endings, so you're actually hard pressed to find them all online. complied. And just to lock people even more out of the series' continuty continuity, there's the question "So what endings are canon?" The answer? "All fact that ''all'' of them are." The good endings and the bad endings of all the playable characters are all canon. canon, [[LogicBomb Including including the mutually exclusive ones.]] And unlike ''[=BlazBlue=]'', there are no alternate timelines at work in ''Touhou''; everything is canon within one and the same time-space continuity... Well, at least ''[=BlazBlue=]'' sorted its stuff out in supplemantary materials; maybe, you think, ''Touhou'' does the same? Hahaha-no. ''Touhou'' has numerous official mangas, but most of them are simple, character-centric, stand-alone SliceOfLife stories that, at best, provide some bare-boned WorldBuilding. ''Manga/SilentSinnerInBlue'', the only manga with a greater plot, which's entire point seems to be for [[ManipulativeBitch Yukari Yakumo]] to [[ScrewYouElves mess with]] [[SpaceElves the Lunarians]] anyway, comes across as nothing short of a ShaggyDogStory unless one also reads ''Manga/CageInLunaticRunagate''. And as for ''Touhou'''s {{Universe Compendium}}s, they are in-universe works authored and co-authored by {{Unreliable Narrator}}s, {{Unreliable Expositor}}s, {{Pretend Prejudice}}d {{Fantastic Racist}}s and more than one ShamelessSelfPromoter, most of them with [[KnowNothingKnowItAll little to no idea regarding what's actually going on]], provided ''they even care'' what's actually going on, and those who ''do'' know and care [[TheMasquerade refuse to tell the whole truth anyway]]. The pretty much only question the supplementary materials answer is how all the endings of all the games can be canonical: They're all re-tellings of the events of the games from the POV of different characters, each one attempting to spin the story to make themselves look good and each one making it even harder to comprehensively puzzle together the actual events that have transpired... ]] Comments by ZUN suggest that [[TrollingCreator he feels a certain level of inaccessibility]] [[GenreSavvy is core to the]] ''[[GenreSavvy Touhou]]'' [[GenreSavvy experience]], regardless of medium, [[TropesAreNotBad and, sure enough]]; experience]]. The various manga and {{Universe Compendium}}s don't really help either, since all of this Continuity Lock-Out and open-to-interpretation information has done its part in making ''Touhou'' the most prolific {{Doujin}} shooter manga series in the world assume that one is already familiar with one of the most flourishing {{Fanon}}s you can find.games and their lore and the {{Universe Compendium}}s have some [[UnreliableNarrator Unreliable Narration]] at work.
3rd Feb '16 3:18:51 PM LucaEarlgrey
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** Even amongst series veterans, ''Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom'' is decried for being far too difficult, especially on Legacy Mode when the patterns are balanced for Pointdevice Mode. Perhaps an example of BeCarefulForWhatYouWishFor, as many fans feel that the previous game, ''Double Dealing Character'', [[SequelDifficultyDrop is easier than the games that come before it]].
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** Even amongst series veterans, ''Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom'' is decried for being far too difficult, especially on Legacy Mode when the patterns are balanced for Pointdevice Mode. Perhaps an example of BeCarefulForWhatYouWishFor, BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, as many fans feel that the previous game, ''Double Dealing Character'', [[SequelDifficultyDrop is easier than the games that come before it]].
3rd Feb '16 3:18:40 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* ItsHardSoItSucks: Many fans who got into ''Touhou'' through {{Fanon}} or MemeticMutation first find the games to be stupidly hard, if not impossible, whether through watching videos of Lunatic difficulty and Extra Stage runs (which are ''always'' the most viewed videos of ''Touhou'' gameplay on any sufficiently popular video host) or trying the games themselves, getting overwhelmed by the bullet counts, and burning through all three continues before they even finish Stage 3. On Easy. As a result, the series has a reputation as an exercise in sheer masochism; this is despite ''Touhou'' being easier than most arcade shoot-em-ups (''including'' non-danmaku games), but most ''Touhou'' fans are generally not aware of other shmup series.
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* ItsHardSoItSucks: ItsHardSoItSucks: ** Many fans who got into ''Touhou'' through {{Fanon}} or MemeticMutation first find the games to be stupidly hard, if not impossible, whether through watching videos of Lunatic difficulty and Extra Stage runs (which are ''always'' the most viewed videos of ''Touhou'' gameplay on any sufficiently popular video host) or trying the games themselves, getting overwhelmed by the bullet counts, and burning through all three continues before they even finish Stage 3. On Easy. As a result, the series has a reputation as an exercise in sheer masochism; this is despite ''Touhou'' being easier than most arcade shoot-em-ups (''including'' non-danmaku games), but most ''Touhou'' fans are generally not aware of other shmup series.series. ** Even amongst series veterans, ''Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom'' is decried for being far too difficult, especially on Legacy Mode when the patterns are balanced for Pointdevice Mode. Perhaps an example of BeCarefulForWhatYouWishFor, as many fans feel that the previous game, ''Double Dealing Character'', [[SequelDifficultyDrop is easier than the games that come before it]].
31st Jan '16 10:01:36 PM Vidszhite
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** Clownpiece's popularity has skyrocketed immensely in the American ''Touhou'' community, due to her outfit taking a lot of design cues from the US flag.
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** Clownpiece's popularity has skyrocketed immensely in the American ''Touhou'' community, due to her outfit taking a lot of design cues from the US flag. Clownpiece is still immensely popular in Japan, however, and she was the only newcomer aside from Sagume to penetrate the Top 25. ** While Reimu is nearly always the #1 character in Japanese polls, and by annihilation-level margins to boot, Marisa tends to similarly dominate in Western polls, where Reimu often struggles to even make 3rd place.
22nd Jan '16 10:01:26 AM matteste
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** Similarly judging from the 2016 popularity poll, it seems safe to assume that the fortune teller has gained a following. Despite being a OneShotCharacter character that got KilledOfForReal, he ended up 77th place, putting him above both the Aki sisters, Yamane and Ichirin.
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** Similarly judging from the 2016 popularity poll, it seems safe to assume that the fortune teller has gained a following. Despite being a OneShotCharacter character that got KilledOfForReal, KilledOffForReal, he ended up 77th place, putting him above both the Aki sisters, Yamane and Ichirin.
22nd Jan '16 9:58:54 AM matteste
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** Similarly judging from the 2016 popularity poll, it seems safe to assume that the fortune teller has gained a following. Despite being a OneShotCharacter character that got KilledOfForReal, he ended up 77th place, putting him above both the Aki sisters, Yamane and Ichirin.
21st Jan '16 8:38:42 PM Vidszhite
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** The Aki sisters are very unpopular, many fans going so far as to say their existence is pointless. Reasons include them being incredibly weak, having even less to do with the respective game than other Stage 1 bosses or a multitude of other things. [[http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:Th10Minoriko.png Minoriko's ZUN art]] being one of the ugliest and most deformed-looking pictures in the whole franchise hasn't helped. However, since they aren't actually bad, just [[http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2108839 easily ignored]] and forgotten, some fan artists depict them [[http://safebooru.donmai.us/posts/2139337 fighting back]] [[TheDogBitesBack against their critics]]. ** Sanae and Aya have been going in and out of this for a while, both being panned for appearing in several games that don't have much to do with them, and being generally annoying when they do show up. Some say they were RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap or VindicatedByHistory as time went on, as later games and print works put those appearances in context, giving them solid motives and much funnier interactions.
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** The Aki sisters are very unpopular, many so unpopular that everywhere below them on the character polls is officially considered bottom tier, populated by character pets and inanimate objects. Many fans going go so far as to say their existence is pointless. Reasons include them being incredibly weak, weak yet still demanding respect, having even less to do with the respective game than other Stage 1 bosses bosses, or a multitude of other things. [[http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:Th10Minoriko.png Minoriko's ZUN art]] being one of the ugliest and most deformed-looking pictures in the whole franchise hasn't helped. However, since they aren't actually bad, just [[http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2108839 easily ignored]] and forgotten, some fan artists depict them [[http://safebooru.donmai.us/posts/2139337 fighting back]] [[TheDogBitesBack against their critics]]. ** Sanae and Aya have had been going in and out of this for a while, both being panned for appearing in several games that don't have much to do with them, and being generally annoying when they do show up. Some say they were RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap or VindicatedByHistory as time went on, as later games and print works put those appearances in context, giving them solid motives and much funnier interactions.
18th Jan '16 11:50:41 PM matteste
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** JerkassWoobie: Junko. While she is vindictive and uncaring of those who might get harmed in her path of revenge, one can't help from feeling sorry for her as the betrayal of her husband and death of her son has driven her to being a spirit of pure grudge.
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** JerkassWoobie: Junko. While she is vindictive and uncaring of those who might get harmed in her path of revenge, one can't help from feeling sorry for her as the betrayal of her husband and death of her son has driven her to being a spirit of pure grudge. hatred and resentment.
18th Jan '16 6:16:39 PM calamity2007
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** JerkassWoobie: Junko. While she is vindictive and uncaring of those who might get harmed in her path of revenge, one can't help from feeling sorry for her as the betrayal of her husband and death of her son has driven her to being a spirit of pure grudge.
15th Jan '16 8:33:57 PM BobRiddle
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* ContinuityLockout: ''Touhou'' has this in spades, clubs, hearts ''and'' diamonds. It begins in the main games themselves; each game in the ''Touhou'' series has ''at least'' four endings; two bad endings and two good endings, one bad and one good for each playable character. If any other characters aside from the main character duo are playable, they, too, recieve one bad ending and one good ending each. Simple enough so far, right? Right... but oh so very wrong. See, the condition for getting one of the good endings is to clear the game without using a single continue. Did I mention that ''Touhou'' are NintendoHard BulletHell kinda games? There aren't all too many gamers with the sheer tenacity required to get all good endings. Well, no biggie, you can just check out the endings online, right? You wish. ZUN, the creator of the series, is amazingly encouraging when it comes to fan-creations, approves of online distribution of his games as [[NoExportForYou that's the only way for fans outside of Japan]] to enjoy them, and he's supportive of people uploading their playthroughs to the internet, too... BUT that last one comes with a compromise: People may not upload the endings of the games. If someone wants to see the endings, they'll have to earn the right to see them. And since ZUN is so accomidating on all other issues, most of his fans are accomidating enough to not upload the endings, so you're actually hard pressed to find them all online. And just to lock people even more out of the series' continuty there's the question "So what endings are canon?" The answer? "All of them are." The good endings and the bad endings of all the playable characters are all canon. [[LogicBomb Including the mutually exclusive ones.]] And unlike ''[=BlazBlue=]'', there are no alternate timelines at work in ''Touhou''; everything is canon within one and the same time-space continuity... Well, at least ''[=BlazBlue=]'' sorted its stuff out in supplemantary materials; maybe, you think, ''Touhou'' does the same? Hahaha-no. ''Touhou'' has numerous official mangas, but most of them are simple, character-centric, stand-alone SliceOfLife stories that, at best, provide some bare-boned WorldBuilding. ''Manga/SilentSinnerInBlue'', the only manga with a greater plot, which's entire point seems to be for [[ManipulativeBitch Yukari Yakumo]] to [[ScrewYouElves mess with]] [[SpaceElves the Lunarians]] anyway, comes across as nothing short of a ShaggyDogStory unless one also reads ''Manga/CageInLunaticRunagate''. And as for ''Touhou'''s {{Universe Compendium}}s, they are in-universe works authored and co-authored by {{Unreliable Narrator}}s, {{Unreliable Expositor}}s, {{Pretend Prejudice}}d {{Fantastic Racist}}s and more than one ShamelessSelfPromoter, most of them with [[KnowNothingKnowItAll little to no idea regarding what's actually going on]], provided ''they even care'' what's actually going on, and those who ''do'' know and care [[TheMasquerade refuse to tell the whole truth anyway]]. The pretty much only question the supplementary materials answer is how all the endings of all the games can be canonical: They're all re-tellings of the events of the games from the POV of different characters, each one attempting to spin the story to make themselves look good and each one making it even harder to comprehensively puzzle together the actual events that have transpired... Comments by ZUN suggest that [[TrollingCreator he feels a certain level of inaccessibility]] [[GenreSavvy is core to the]] ''[[GenreSavvy Touhou]]'' [[GenreSavvy experience]], regardless of medium, [[TropesAreNotBad and, sure enough]]; all of this Continuity Lock-Out and open-to-interpretation information has done its part in making ''Touhou'' the most prolific {{Doujin}} shooter series in the world with one of the most flourishing {{Fanon}}s you can find.
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