History YMMV / Touhou

23rd Sep '17 1:29:24 PM YuukiT03
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* PeripheryDemographic: ''Children'' are fans of Touhou, too.

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* PeripheryDemographic: ''Children'' are fans of Touhou, too. This may have been in part because of a ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' fan forum containing a thread linking to the demo for ''Perfect Cherry Blossom'' back in early 2003.


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** The demo for ''Perfect Cherry Blossom'' was free for download back in 2003 on a ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' forum thread, that kids were frequenting. Needless to say, they had no idea what was going on.
29th Aug '17 7:21:55 AM narm00
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** Reimu herself. Some believe her blunt, slothful, apathetic personality makes her a more interesting a hero. Others believe she [[{{Jerkass}} takes things too far]]. [[AmericansHateTingle This seems to be primarily a Western thing]], as in Japan she's one of the most popular characters in the series.

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** Reimu herself. Some believe her blunt, slothful, apathetic personality makes her a more interesting a hero. Others believe she [[{{Jerkass}} takes things too far]]. [[AmericansHateTingle This seems to be primarily a Western thing]], as in Japan she's one of the most popular characters in the series.



** Koishi/Kokoro are also popular due to them being [[{{Foil}} foils]] of each other. With Kokoro appearing as an EmotionlessGirl but actually has powers based on emotions and is very frequently changes her masks which represent her emotions. While Koishi, at appearance looks like a perpetual CheerfulChild, is actually an EmptyShell who can only express her emotions subconsciously. It helps that these two have interactions in ''Hopeless Masquerade'' that plays with this concept. It's frequent that when one is shown in a fan work, the other is as well.

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** Koishi/Kokoro are also popular due to them being [[{{Foil}} foils]] of each other. With Kokoro appearing appears as an EmotionlessGirl but actually has powers based on emotions and is very frequently changes her masks which represent her emotions. While In contrast, Koishi, at who in appearance looks like a perpetual CheerfulChild, is actually an EmptyShell who can only express her emotions subconsciously. It helps that these two have interactions in ''Hopeless Masquerade'' that plays with this concept. It's frequent that when one is shown in a fan work, the other is as well.



** Marisa is not really any better either, though she has the benefit of not being as rude as Reimu and not being expected to be heroic unlike her Shrine maiden friend.

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** Marisa is not really any better either, though she has the benefit of not being as rude as Reimu and not being expected to be heroic unlike her Shrine shrine maiden friend.



** Calling Aya and the main game playable characters other than Reimu and Marisa "ZUN's girlfriends" or outright ''sluts'' because ZUN gave them their share of spotlight got really old after said characters built up substantial fanbases on their own and the games' rosters became more varied over time. It's also considered to be rather disrespectful towards ZUN himself, since he's now ''married and has a child''. Nowadays, as it's mostly used out of spite towards the characters, it's considered unfunny and frowned upon. [[note]]Except the rare cases where it's used in a respectful manner - such as the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BjvdBdCCxE Anime Week Atlanta Q&A Panel]], where ZUN got jokingly asked which would be the two characters that he would most prefer to be trapped in a hot spring with - to which he responded that it would be Reimu and Marisa.[[/note]]

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** Calling Aya and the main game playable characters other than Reimu and Marisa "ZUN's girlfriends" or outright ''sluts'' because ZUN gave them their share of spotlight got really old after said characters built up substantial fanbases on their own and the games' rosters became more varied over time. It's also considered to be rather disrespectful towards ZUN himself, since he's now ''married and has a child''.children''. Nowadays, as it's mostly used out of spite towards the characters, it's considered unfunny and frowned upon. [[note]]Except the rare cases where it's used in a respectful manner - such as the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BjvdBdCCxE Anime Week Atlanta Q&A Panel]], where ZUN got jokingly asked which would be the two characters that he would most prefer to be trapped in a hot spring with - to which he responded that it would be Reimu and Marisa.[[/note]]



* FanMyopia: Part of this stems from the sheer volume of fan material. Of course, most of the fan material comes from Japan -- where ''Touhou'' actually ''is'' that well-known. This is perhaps why "What anime is this?" is a major FandomBerserkButton.



** In the ''Website/{{Pixiv}}'' community, there's a rivalry between ''Touhou'' fanartists and ''[[VideoGame/KantaiCollection KanColle]]'' fanartists. If you happen to be a ''KanColle'' fanartist who once drew ''Touhou'' fanart a lot, be prepare to have several zealous ''Touhou'' fanartists accusing you for abandoning ''Touhou'' fanart and switching side to drawing only ''Kancolle'' fanart. Ironically, [[WordOfGod ZUN has said]] that he thinks ''Touhou'' and ''Kancolle'' go well together.

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** In the ''Website/{{Pixiv}}'' community, there's a rivalry between ''Touhou'' fanartists and ''[[VideoGame/KantaiCollection KanColle]]'' fanartists. If you happen to be a ''KanColle'' ''Kancolle'' fanartist who once drew ''Touhou'' fanart a lot, be prepare to have several zealous ''Touhou'' fanartists accusing you for abandoning ''Touhou'' fanart and switching side to drawing only ''Kancolle'' fanart. Ironically, [[WordOfGod ZUN has said]] that he thinks ''Touhou'' and ''Kancolle'' go well together.



* FanMyopia: Part of this stems from the sheer volume of fan material. Of course, most of the fan material comes from Japan -- where ''Touhou'' actually ''is'' that well-known. This is perhaps why "What anime is this?" is a major FandomBerserkButton.



** Fans commonly depict Cirno as being used as makeshift air conditioning. In ''Visionary Fairies in Shrine'', Reimu has been letting Clownpiece stay under the shrine cause her hellfires provide heating.

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** Fans commonly depict Cirno as being used as makeshift air conditioning. In ''Visionary Fairies in Shrine'', Reimu has been letting Clownpiece stay under the shrine cause because her hellfires provide heating.



* LoveItOrHateIt: Some fans detest the games for being exercises in masochism and being largely inaccessible[[note]]there are people who can't even reach Stage 3 in most games on Easy, even with all 3 continues[[/note]], but others love the games ''because'' of their NintendoHard BulletHell gameplay.



** Toyosatomimi no Miko set up Buddhism to cow the population, setting herself as something of a holy saint, while actually on the side of the Buddhists' sworn enemies. Countless people died just to ensure that no one can endanger her prospect of becoming immortal. She can give [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics St. Ajora]] a run for her money. If not for Buddhists wising up and sealing away her resting place, she would have gotten away with her plan.
* LoveItOrHateIt: Some fans either detest the games for being exercises in masochism and being largely inaccessible[[note]]there are people who can't even reach Stage 3 in most games on Easy, even with all 3 continues[[/note]], but others love the games ''because'' of their NintendoHard BulletHell gameplay.

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** Toyosatomimi no Miko set up Buddhism to cow the population, setting herself as something of a holy saint, while actually on the side of the Buddhists' sworn enemies. Countless people died just to ensure that no one can could endanger her prospect of becoming immortal. She can give [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics St. Ajora]] a run for her money. If not for Buddhists wising up and sealing away her resting place, she would have gotten away with her plan.
* LoveItOrHateIt: Some fans either detest the games for being exercises in masochism and being largely inaccessible[[note]]there are people who can't even reach Stage 3 in most games on Easy, even with all 3 continues[[/note]], but others love the games ''because'' of their NintendoHard BulletHell gameplay.
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*** Despite being a Lunarian herself, Sagume Kishin [[AvertedTrope averts]] this. Due to having a BlessedWithSuck power that makes her a CosmicPlaything if she doesn't stay as TheStoic, and being a ReasonableAuthorityFigure that didn't go through with purifying Gensokyo, instead getting the help of the protagonists. It's even implied that she ''also'' doesn't approve of how the Lunarians run things around her, but she can't intervene because of her power.

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*** Despite being a Lunarian herself, Sagume Kishin [[AvertedTrope averts]] this. Due this, due to having a BlessedWithSuck power that makes her a CosmicPlaything if she doesn't stay as TheStoic, and being a ReasonableAuthorityFigure that didn't go through with purifying Gensokyo, instead getting the help of the protagonists. It's even implied that she ''also'' doesn't approve of how the Lunarians run things around her, but she can't intervene because of her power.



** NoYay: Unless you're into giantess and/or vore, it's hard to ship Shinmyoumaru with anyone due to her minimal size. It gets worse due to the implication that she's the LastOfHerKind.

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** NoYay: Unless you're into giantess and/or vore, it's hard to ship Shinmyoumaru sexually with anyone due to her minimal size. It gets worse due to the implication that she's the LastOfHerKind.



*** How serious this in particular is depends on where you are on the internet. Here, danbooru, or imageboards? Not so much. A shmup site? You better be able to 1cc Lunatic.
*** Ironically Easy mode isn't play tested that well compared to other difficulties resulting in sometimes cards that are harder than other difficulties.

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*** How serious this in particular is depends on where you are on the internet. Here, danbooru, Danbooru, or imageboards? Not so much. A shmup site? You better be able to 1cc Lunatic.
*** Ironically Easy mode isn't play tested that well compared to other difficulties difficulties, sometimes resulting in sometimes cards that are harder than other difficulties.



* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: People where skeptical about ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' when it was revealed to be based on the same engine as ''Hopeless Masquerade'', however when the game was released, people where pleasantly surprised to see that controls where sharper, mechanics refined, AI improved, bugs ironed out and the story proving to be a WhamEpisode.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: People where were skeptical about ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' when it was revealed to be based on the same engine as ''Hopeless Masquerade'', Masquerade''; however when the game was released, people where were pleasantly surprised to see that controls where were sharper, mechanics refined, AI improved, bugs ironed out and the story proving to be a WhamEpisode.



** [[PortmanteauCoupleName MAlice]] Cannon in ''Imperishable Night''. Lasers in the earlier ''Touhou'' games were somewhat laggy in their hit detection. In ''IN''[='=]s case, this meant that you could switch between Alice and Marisa rapidly, and Alice's full damage would go through, the lag on the laser covering the time as Marisa. Interestingly, without this, trick the Marisa/Alice team is woefully underpowered.

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** [[PortmanteauCoupleName MAlice]] Cannon in ''Imperishable Night''. Lasers in the earlier ''Touhou'' games were somewhat laggy in their hit detection. In ''IN''[='=]s case, this meant that you could switch between Alice and Marisa rapidly, and Alice's full damage would go through, the lag on the laser covering the time as Marisa. Interestingly, without this, this trick the Marisa/Alice team is woefully underpowered.



* SpiritualLicensee: You could call ''Double Dealing Character'' the most popular Shinobu Yagawa game in the West.[[note]]Shinobu Yagawa is best known for ''VideoGame/BattleGaregga'', ''VideoGame/ArmedPoliceBatrider'', ''VideoGame/{{Ibara}}'', and a slew of other ShootEmUp games where bombing and suiciding as advanced scoring tactics as well as gratuitous quantities of [[OneUp extra lives]] are [[SignatureStyle common elements]]. Bombing in ''Touhou'' traditionally triggers auto-pickup, and in ''DDC'', auto-pickup rewards the player with bonuses, including point bonuses, bomb fragments (8 of which make a bomb) and life fragments (3 of which make an extra life). This leads of a cycle of bombing, then dying for more bombs, then bombing some more, getting extra lives to offset the constant dying.[[/note]]

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* SpiritualLicensee: You could call ''Double Dealing Character'' the most popular Shinobu Yagawa game in the West.[[note]]Shinobu Yagawa is best known for ''VideoGame/BattleGaregga'', ''VideoGame/ArmedPoliceBatrider'', ''VideoGame/{{Ibara}}'', and a slew of other ShootEmUp games where bombing and suiciding as advanced scoring tactics as well as gratuitous quantities of [[OneUp extra lives]] are [[SignatureStyle common elements]]. Bombing in ''Touhou'' traditionally triggers auto-pickup, and in ''DDC'', auto-pickup rewards the player with bonuses, including point bonuses, bomb fragments (8 of which make a bomb) and life fragments (3 of which make an extra life). This leads of to a cycle of bombing, then dying for more bombs, then bombing some more, getting extra lives to offset the constant dying.[[/note]]



** Similarly, Sakuya solo in ''Imperishable Night''. She has the fastest focused speed, her shot is a widespread similar to her Sakuya A unfocused from ''PCB'', but it has low damage even at full power and to make reliable damage to bosses, the player needs to shotgun her (ie. shooting at the boss right in front of her).

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** Similarly, Sakuya solo in ''Imperishable Night''. She has the fastest focused speed, and her shot is a widespread similar to her Sakuya A unfocused from ''PCB'', but it has low damage even at full power power, and to make reliable damage to bosses, the player needs to shotgun her (ie. shooting at the boss right in front of her).
23rd Aug '17 2:42:31 AM TrueShadow1
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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: The Aki sisters are considered to be the least notable of the Windows era characters, below even midbosses like Daiyousei and Koakuma, which leads to a MemeticMutation where they are called {{original character}}s.
** They've started to gain popularity in response to this, not so much to say Alice's level, but fans have a soft spot for them.
** The Tsukumo sisters from ''Double Dealing Character'' have been met with similar treatment. Being forgettable due to their arguably bland design and concept. It doesn't help that they are [[OvershadowedByAwesome overshadowed]] by their teacher, Raiko Horikawa, who is the Extra Boss in the game.
23rd Aug '17 2:14:59 AM TrueShadow1
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** ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' once it was revealed to be a fighting game based on the gameplay of ''Hopeless Masquerade''. Some people are excited for potential changes and fixes to the HM formula, some are absolutely pissed, feeling betrayed that they got a sequel to a "crappy fighting game" rather than a danmaku game about catching urban legends. The decision to include Reisen Udongein Inaba as a playable character in the [=PS4=] version of ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' rubbed a portion of the random the wrong way - either because she is already playable in ''Scarlet Weather Rhapsody'' and ''Hisoutensoku'' or because she's a [=PS4=]-exclusive character to bait people into buying the game on [=PS4=]. Made even worse after ''Antinomy in Common Flowers'', a sequel fighting game got announced mere ''three days'' after the relase of the [=PS4=] version of ''Urban Legend in Limbo'', arguably screwing over console players as well.

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** ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' once it was revealed to be a fighting game based on the gameplay of ''Hopeless Masquerade''. Some people are excited for potential changes and fixes to the HM formula, some are absolutely pissed, feeling betrayed that they got a sequel to a "crappy fighting game" rather than a danmaku game about catching urban legends. The decision to include Reisen Udongein Inaba as a playable character in the [=PS4=] version of ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' rubbed a portion of the random the wrong way - either because she is already playable in ''Scarlet Weather Rhapsody'' and ''Hisoutensoku'' previous games or because she's a [=PS4=]-exclusive character to bait people into buying the game on [=PS4=]. Made even worse after ''Antinomy in Common Flowers'', a sequel fighting game got announced mere ''three days'' after the relase of the [=PS4=] version of ''Urban Legend in Limbo'', arguably screwing over console players as well.



** Okina Matara being both the FinalBoss and ExtraBoss of ''Hidden Star of Four Seasons''. Detractors aay she's taking up a spot that could have been filled by a new character instead. The others say it's alright because it makes sense in the context of the story, and she has very different patterns in both fights, anyway.

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** Okina Matara being both the FinalBoss and ExtraBoss BonusBoss of ''Hidden Star of Four Seasons''. Detractors aay she's taking up a spot that could have been filled by a new character instead. The others say it's alright because it makes sense in the context of the story, and she has very different patterns in both fights, anyway.



** [[FinalBoss Hata no Kokoro]] from ''Hopeless Masquerade'' seems to be popular around some circles, considering she is one of the most developed characters in the series (although that's not saying much), her kickass theme, and the fact that [[spoiler: the game's story is about her development as a Youkai]]. She's also the closest the series has to the ever-popular "EmotionlessGirl" archetype, though the trope is PlayedWith in various ways.
** ''Double Dealing Character'' has the Stage 5 boss, Seija Kijin, who has proven to be one of the more dangerous antagonists of the series by being a ManipulativeBastard (by instigating the events of the game and manipulating the FinalBoss). Unlike other bosses in the series, she has a BoringButPractical gimmick that involves InterfaceScrew. So in a land where "common sense is a weakness" and your power level is decided by how flashy your spell cards can be, she manages to subvert this rule by having one of the lowest bullet counts and still being dangerous.[[note]]It helps a lot she debuted in the same year with [[Anime/KillLaKill Ryuko Matoi]], who resembles Seija quite a bit, to the grade there's lots of fanart depicting Seija dressed like Ryuko.[[/note]]
*** She appears to have gotten a game due to this, ''Impossible Spell Card''. Then that game got its ''own'' SpinOff, titled "Gold Rush". Since Gold Rush only appeared as an arcade cabinet, a Chinese programmer almost perfectly recreated it only based on video evidence and hear-say.



** If the 2015 Popularity Polls are any indication, Koishi Komeiji seems to have become one, ranking #1 in the poll, above even the main characters. This could be due to her sympathetic backstory, and the fact that she has appeared in two fighting games as of late, having an amusing role in both.
** Similarly judging from the 2016 popularity poll, it seems safe to assume that the fortune teller has gained a following. Despite being a OneShotCharacter character that got KilledOffForReal, he ended up 77th place, putting him above both the Aki sisters, Yamame and Ichirin.

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** If the 2015 Popularity Polls are any indication, Koishi Komeiji seems to have become one, ranking #1 in the poll, above even the main characters. This could be due to her sympathetic backstory, and the fact that she has appeared in two fighting games as of late, having an amusing role in both.
** Similarly judging
Judging from the 2016 popularity poll, it seems safe to assume that the fortune teller has gained a following. Despite being a OneShotCharacter character that got KilledOffForReal, he ended up 77th place, putting him above both the Aki sisters, Yamame and Ichirin.
23rd Aug '17 2:01:19 AM TrueShadow1
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** ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' once it was revealed to be a fighting game based on the gameplay of ''Hopeless Masquerade''. Some people are excited for potential changes and fixes to the HM formula, some are absolutely pissed, feeling betrayed that they got a sequel to a "crappy fighting game" rather than a danmaku game about catching urban legends.
*** The decision to include Reisen Udongein Inaba as a playable character in the [=PS4=] version of ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' rubbed a portion of the random the wrong way - either because she is already playable in ''Scarlet Weather Rhapsody'' and ''Hisoutensoku'' and people would prefer someone who wasn't in a fighting game before to take that slot or because of the high propability that she might become a [=PS4=]-exclusive character to bait people into buying the game on [=PS4=].
*** Made even worse after ''Antinomy in Common Flowers'', a sequel fighting game got announced mere ''three days'' after the relase of the [=PS4=] version of ''Urban Legend in Limbo'', arguably screwing over console players as well.

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** ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' once it was revealed to be a fighting game based on the gameplay of ''Hopeless Masquerade''. Some people are excited for potential changes and fixes to the HM formula, some are absolutely pissed, feeling betrayed that they got a sequel to a "crappy fighting game" rather than a danmaku game about catching urban legends.
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legends. The decision to include Reisen Udongein Inaba as a playable character in the [=PS4=] version of ''Urban Legend in Limbo'' rubbed a portion of the random the wrong way - either because she is already playable in ''Scarlet Weather Rhapsody'' and ''Hisoutensoku'' and people would prefer someone who wasn't in a fighting game before to take that slot or because of the high propability that she might become she's a [=PS4=]-exclusive character to bait people into buying the game on [=PS4=].
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[=PS4=]. Made even worse after ''Antinomy in Common Flowers'', a sequel fighting game got announced mere ''three days'' after the relase of the [=PS4=] version of ''Urban Legend in Limbo'', arguably screwing over console players as well.



** The question of whether one should one have to play the games in order to be considered a proper ''Touhou'' fan.[[note]]There are a great deal of fans in both the Asian and Western fandom that have admitted to either only playing the games on easy or not having played them at all, instead getting hooked on the pretty artwork and thousands of doujins. However, many of said pictures and doujins contain jokes that would only make sense to someone who had played the games. Numerous flame wars on both sides of the pond continue to rage over this.[[/note]]
** People who get frustrated, disgusted, or scared away by militant portions of the fandom.
** Whether the [[Memes/{{Touhou}} memes]] help shape the series and its doujin culture, or [[DiscreditedMeme are a major source of irritation and a mark of immaturity and lack of originality]].[[note]]Memes are often the first things outsiders will experience about the fandom after the art, and while they are often funny and easy to digest, they often contain heavy flanderization, which obscures the depth or sometimes even the ''true nature'' of many characters. While the memes can give continued enjoyment to longtime fans, they can give many of the more casual fans a warped view of things, and can turn off outsiders looking for more nuance than the pick-a-waifu meme factory it can sometimes appear to be.[[/note]]


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** Okina Matara being both the FinalBoss and ExtraBoss of ''Hidden Star of Four Seasons''. Detractors aay she's taking up a spot that could have been filled by a new character instead. The others say it's alright because it makes sense in the context of the story, and she has very different patterns in both fights, anyway.
14th Aug '17 9:21:06 AM rmctagg09
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Out of all the characters from Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom expected to appear outside of a brief cameo in a manga series, Clownpiece was the least.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: Out of all the characters from Legacy ''Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom Kingdom'' expected to appear outside of a brief cameo in a manga series, Clownpiece was the least.
13th Aug '17 8:56:44 AM Lightmaster
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Out of all the characters from Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom expected to appear outside of a brief cameo in a manga series, Clownpiece was the least.
6th Aug '17 8:13:35 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* MemeticTroll:

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* MemeticTroll:MemeticTroll: All three of which have "God Damn It ''(character)''!" pools on [[ImageBooru Danbooru]]:
6th Aug '17 8:11:03 PM LucaEarlgrey
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** [[CreatorWorship ZUN himself]], who can apparently [[DrunkenMaster beat his own games while shitfaced]].
13th Jul '17 4:48:03 PM GlaceonMage
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** Spell Practice was introduced in the 8th main game, ''Imperishable Night'', allowing you to practice individual enemy spellcards that you've reached; to compare, Practice Start only lets you start from the beginning of any stage you've reached. For whatever reason, it was scrapped for the 10th, 11th (''Subterranean Animism''), and 12th (''Undefined Fantastic Object'') games[[note]]the 9th game, ''Phantasmagoria of Flower View'' is a versus-style shooter unlike most other main games[[/note]], but was mercifully brought back for the 13th game, ''Ten Desires'' and beyond.

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** Spell Practice was introduced in the 8th main game, ''Imperishable Night'', allowing you to practice individual enemy spellcards that you've reached; to compare, Practice Start only lets you start from the beginning of any stage you've reached. For whatever reason, it was scrapped for the 10th, 11th (''Subterranean Animism''), and 12th (''Undefined Fantastic Object'') games[[note]]the 9th game, ''Phantasmagoria of Flower View'' is a versus-style shooter unlike most other main games[[/note]], but was mercifully brought back for the 13th game, ''Ten Desires'' and beyond.beyond, with the exception of ''Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom''.
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