History YMMV / TheWestWing

26th Nov '16 9:55:54 AM Pren
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* BizarroEpisode: "Issac and Ishmael" was written as a preemption of the Season 3 premiere after the September 11th attacks, and opens with the cast members explaining that it's a "storytelling aberration" that doesn't fit into the show's timeline.

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"Issac and Ishmael" was written as a preemption of the Season 3 premiere after the September 11th attacks, and opens with the cast members explaining that it's a "storytelling aberration" that doesn't fit into the show's timeline.timeline.
** "Ninety Miles Away" largely splits off from the long-running election storyline in favor of an apologia about how America should have been friends with Fidel Castro this whole time, complete with a ridiculous shot of him waiting for Leo in the shadows like a James Bond villain.
16th Nov '16 11:36:45 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* CriticalResearchFailure:

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* CriticalResearchFailure:CriticalResearchFailure: While the show generally [[ShownTheirWork does its research]], there are some things it gets ''very'' wrong.
16th Nov '16 8:10:13 AM Jhonny
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*** It's mentioned that Santos made so many trips to South Carolina that he practically lived there, and it has a sizeable minority population who would be willing to vote Democrat. Same for Texas, with its large Hispanic population. As for Vinick, both Vermont and Maine are generally small c conservative when it comes to fiscal matters, and they have a negligible amount of Latino voters. It's still a stretch, but not completely impossible.

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*** It's mentioned that Santos made so many trips to South Carolina that he practically lived there, and it has a sizeable minority population who would be willing to vote Democrat. Same for Texas, with its large Hispanic population. As for Vinick, both Vermont and Maine are generally small c conservative when it comes to fiscal matters, and they have a negligible amount of Latino voters. It's still a stretch, but not completely impossible. Vermont is also a rather rural state that does not see eye to eye with the American left wing on things like gun policy. What ''is'' strange however is that Vinnick wins Maine but none of its congressional districts are ever mentioned, as Maine and Nebraska famously allocate all but two of their electors by Congressional district, at least in our universe.
16th Nov '16 7:19:57 AM 06tele
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** In "Isaac and Ishmael", Sam says "Not only do terrorists always fail at what they're after, they pretty much always succeed in strengthening whatever it is they're against." He goes on to list a number of failed terrorist organisations. He fails, however, to mention [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe Umkhonto we Sizwe]], the military wing of the African National Congress, which undoubtedly used tactics against the apartheid regime in South Africa which would normally be considered terrorism, including the bombing of civilian targets.[[note]]The US government classified Umkhonto we Sizwe as a terrorist organisation, which Sam should have known.[[/note]] What happened in South Africa? The African National Congress achieved its aims: apartheid collapsed and white rule of the country along with it, and Umkhonto we Sizwe ended up being incorporated into the South African military. Only a racist would say that the collapse of apartheid was a bad thing, but the fact is that terrorists do not always fail, and they certainly do not always strengthen the things they're against. But then, Sam's argument that terrorism always fails is very much a No True Scotsman argument.

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** In "Isaac and Ishmael", Sam says "Not only do terrorists always fail at what they're after, they pretty much always succeed in strengthening whatever it is they're against." He goes on to list a number of failed terrorist organisations. He fails, however, to mention [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe Umkhonto we Sizwe]], the military wing of the African National Congress, which undoubtedly used tactics against the apartheid regime in South Africa which would normally be considered terrorism, including the bombing of civilian targets.[[note]]The US government classified Umkhonto we Sizwe as a terrorist organisation, which Sam should have known.[[/note]] What happened in South Africa? The African National Congress achieved its aims: apartheid collapsed and white rule of the country along with it, and Umkhonto we Sizwe ended up being incorporated into the South African military. Only a racist would say that the collapse of apartheid was a bad thing, but the fact is that terrorists do not always fail, and they certainly do not always strengthen the things they're against. But then, [[note]] Sam's argument that terrorism always fails is very much a No True Scotsman argument.argument, in that he claims that every counter-example anyone brings up is not an example of successful terrorism. One kid mentions the IRA, and Sam says "The Brits are still there. The Protestants are still there." The Provisional IRA did not want to expel all Protestants from Northern Ireland; it wanted to end Protestant domination of Northern Ireland's government. It did aim to create a united Ireland, but it came to accept that it would be wrong to go on demanding one if a majority of people in Northern Ireland didn't want one, which is why it settled for power-sharing. And there is no doubt that the UK government's decades-long policy of not negotiating with terrorists proved to be useless in dealing with the IRA; as long as Westminster refused to negotiate, the violence continued, and when they finally started to negotiate and real changes were made to the government in Northern Ireland, the Provisional IRA called a ceasefire and eventually ended its armed campaign.[[/note]]
16th Nov '16 7:10:44 AM 06tele
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** In "Isaac and Ishmael", Sam says "Not only do terrorists always fail at what they're after, they pretty much always succeed in strengthening whatever it is they're against." He goes on to list a number of failed terrorist organisations. He fails, however, to mention {[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe Umkhonto we Sizwe]], the military wing of the African National Congress, which undoubtedly used tactics against the apartheid regime in South Africa which would normally be considered terrorism, including the bombing of civilian targets.[[note]]The US government classified Umkhonto we Sizwe as a terrorist organisation, which Sam should have known.[[/note]] What happened in South Africa? The African National Congress achieved its aims: apartheid collapsed and white rule of the country along with it, and Umkhonto we Sizwe ended up being incorporated into the South African military. Only a racist would say that the collapse of apartheid was a bad thing, but the fact is that terrorists do not always fail, and they certainly do not always strengthen the things they're against. But then, Sam's argument that terrorism always fails is very much a No True Scotsman argument.

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** In "Isaac and Ishmael", Sam says "Not only do terrorists always fail at what they're after, they pretty much always succeed in strengthening whatever it is they're against." He goes on to list a number of failed terrorist organisations. He fails, however, to mention {[https://en.[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe Umkhonto we Sizwe]], the military wing of the African National Congress, which undoubtedly used tactics against the apartheid regime in South Africa which would normally be considered terrorism, including the bombing of civilian targets.[[note]]The US government classified Umkhonto we Sizwe as a terrorist organisation, which Sam should have known.[[/note]] What happened in South Africa? The African National Congress achieved its aims: apartheid collapsed and white rule of the country along with it, and Umkhonto we Sizwe ended up being incorporated into the South African military. Only a racist would say that the collapse of apartheid was a bad thing, but the fact is that terrorists do not always fail, and they certainly do not always strengthen the things they're against. But then, Sam's argument that terrorism always fails is very much a No True Scotsman argument.
16th Nov '16 7:08:50 AM 06tele
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** In "Isaac and Ishmael", Sam says "Not only do terrorists always fail at what they're after, they pretty much always succeed in
strengthening whatever it is they're against." He goes on to list a number of failed terrorist organisations. He fails, however, to mention [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe Umkhonto we Sizwe]], the military wing of the African National Congress, which undoubtedly used tactics against the apartheid regime in South Africa which would normally be considered terrorism, including the bombing of civilian targets.[[note]]The US government classified Umkhonto we Sizwe as a terrorist organisation, which Sam should have known.[[/note]] What happened in South Africa? The African National Congress achieved its aims: apartheid collapsed and white rule of the country along with it, and Umkhonto we Sizwe ended up being incorporated into the South African military. Only a racist would say that the collapse of apartheid was a bad thing, but the fact is that terrorists do not always fail, and they certainly do not always strengthen the things they're against. But then, Sam's argument that terrorism always fails is very much a No True Scotsman argument.

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** In "Isaac and Ishmael", Sam says "Not only do terrorists always fail at what they're after, they pretty much always succeed in
in strengthening whatever it is they're against." He goes on to list a number of failed terrorist organisations. He fails, however, to mention [[https://en.{[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe Umkhonto we Sizwe]], the military wing of the African National Congress, which undoubtedly used tactics against the apartheid regime in South Africa which would normally be considered terrorism, including the bombing of civilian targets.[[note]]The US government classified Umkhonto we Sizwe as a terrorist organisation, which Sam should have known.[[/note]] What happened in South Africa? The African National Congress achieved its aims: apartheid collapsed and white rule of the country along with it, and Umkhonto we Sizwe ended up being incorporated into the South African military. Only a racist would say that the collapse of apartheid was a bad thing, but the fact is that terrorists do not always fail, and they certainly do not always strengthen the things they're against. But then, Sam's argument that terrorism always fails is very much a No True Scotsman argument.
16th Nov '16 7:07:50 AM 06tele
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** In "Isaac and Ishmael", Sam says "Not only do terrorists always fail at what they're after, they pretty much always succeed in
strengthening whatever it is they're against." He goes on to list a number of failed terrorist organisations. He fails, however, to mention [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe Umkhonto we Sizwe]], the military wing of the African National Congress, which undoubtedly used tactics against the apartheid regime in South Africa which would normally be considered terrorism, including the bombing of civilian targets.[[note]]The US government classified Umkhonto we Sizwe as a terrorist organisation, which Sam should have known.[[/note]] What happened in South Africa? The African National Congress achieved its aims: apartheid collapsed and white rule of the country along with it, and Umkhonto we Sizwe ended up being incorporated into the South African military. Only a racist would say that the collapse of apartheid was a bad thing, but the fact is that terrorists do not always fail, and they certainly do not always strengthen the things they're against. But then, Sam's argument that terrorism always fails is very much a No True Scotsman argument.
9th Nov '16 5:43:50 PM HBICece
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** Creator/NickOfferman shows up in "The Crackpots and These Women" as a member of an environmental group seeking a "wolves only" highway.

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** Creator/NickOfferman [[Creator/NickOfferman Nick]] [[Series/ParksAndRecreation Offerman]] shows up in "The Crackpots and These Women" as a member of an environmental group seeking a "wolves only" highway.
2nd Nov '16 10:35:44 AM 06tele
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** In the Season 2 episode "Galileo", Bartlet is going to a concert by the Reykjavik Symphony and he has Charlie read out the programme: Samuel Barber's Symphony No 2, Stravinsky's "Variations on a Theme" and Arnold Schoenberg's "Enlightened Night" for string orchestra, which Bartlet says "totally blows". The Barber piece is a real piece; Stravinsky did write a set of Variations, but it doesn't have that exact title. Schoenberg's 1899 "Verklärte Nacht" exists in two versions, the original sextet and a version for string orchestra. However, its title translates not as "Enlightened Night" (which would be "Aufklärte Nacht") but "Transfigured Night", and although it's by Schoenberg there's very little in it that a supposed hater of modern music could dislike. It certainly isn't (as he later puts it) "an atonal nightmare of pretention", being squarely in the key of D minor.
24th Oct '16 3:38:08 PM HBICece
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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Theatre/Hamilton.'' It helps that Creator/LinManuelMiranda is a big ''West Wing'' fan and sprinkled references to it throughout the libretto.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Theatre/Hamilton.''Hamilton.'' It helps that Creator/LinManuelMiranda is a big ''West Wing'' fan and sprinkled references to it throughout the libretto.
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