History YMMV / TheUltimates2002

** When Herr Kleiser suggested Captain America to surrender and ask for a MercyKill, he got an HeroicSecondWind and asked "You think this letter on my head stands for France?". Some people found it out of character for Captain America, as there was a French resistance to the Nazi occupation (even the trope namers of LaResistance), and someone like Captain America would have likely fought alongside them. However, not all of France was in the resistance. There was a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France Vichy France]] as well, with people that embraced the Nazi occupation (even the trope namers of LesCollaborateurs), and someone like Captain America would have likely fought ''against'' them. And the mention to the French "surrender" is not wrong: the French Third Republic surrendered to Nazi Germany in a formal ceremony on June 22, 1940 at Compiegne. Lacking further information about Ultimate Captain America's history with the French (which was never explored in further detail), the idea of him resenting them is as plausible as the one of him praising them.

** When Captain America wakes up in the hospital, general Nick Fury told him that he had been out for 57 years. He goes mad and starts attacking everyone, thinking that he's still in WWII and he's inside a nazi trap trying to manipulate him. He told Fury "Sorry, Fritz. The accent's flawless, but you really should have done your homework. The highest-ranking black man in the US army is a Brooklyn-born Captain I grew up with". This is sometimes cited as a proof of Ultimate Captain America being racist. Actually, that's just a superficial reading. He is correct that in the 1940s US there was a higher discrimination against black people, and the idea of a black general leading an organization such as SHIELD, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance mundane in 2001, would have been unconceivable back in the day]] (the civil rights movements that led to their current public acceptance wouldn't take place until a pair of decades later). Cap is clearly not actively endorsing that racism, but just mentioning it as proof that he found "AGlitchInTheMatrix" in the nazi deception that he thought he was caught. It is worth noting that he worked for years under Fury since things were clarified a pair of scenes later, and never voiced any racist comment towards him.

* SignatureScene: Cap shouting "You think this letter on my head stands for [[[[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys France]]?" in response to Herr Kleiser suggesting he surrender is probably the thing that comes to mind about this book or even this universe's Steve. Specifically because it shows his darker differences from main universe Steve, who does not believe the French are wussies in war.

** The Ultimates fight a highly destructive battle against Hulk in the city. The SHIELD tapes of the battle are sold to the public and became a real hit, more than fifteen million copies of the DVD. Some years later, a film based on the Ultimates, ''Film/TheAvengers2012'' becomes a real-world hit. And, [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/avengers-damage-manhattan-would-cost-160-billion-322486 according to disaster experts]], the disaster seen in the climax would have costed $160 billion to fix if it took place in real life (topping even 9/11, Hurricane Katrina and the Japanese tsunami). And both works [[MonumentalDamage destroy Grand Central Station]]: in the Ultimates Iron Man smashes Hulk into it, in the Avengers a starship crashes on it.

** When Captain America wakes up in the hospital, general Nick Fury told him that he had been out for 57 years. He goes mad and starts attacking everyone, thinking that he's still in WWII and he's inside a nazi trap trying to manipulate him. He told Fury "Sorry, Fritz. The accent's flawless, but you really should have done your homework. The highest-ranking black man in the US army is a Brooklyn-born Captain I grew up with". This is sometimes cited as a proof of Ultimate Captain America being racist. Actually, that's just a superficial reading. He is correct that in the 1940s US there was a higher discrimination against black people, and the idea of a black general leading an organization such as SHIELD, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance mundane in 2001, would have been unconceivable back in the day]] (the civil rights movements that led to their current public acceptance wouldn't take place until a pair of decades later). Cap is clearly not actively endorsing that racism, but just mentioning it as proof that he found "AGlitchInTheMatrix" in the nazi deception that he thought he was caught. It is worth noting that he worked for years under Fury since things were clarified a pair of scenes later, and never voiced any racist comment towards him.(though why he would think that a black man would be working for the notorious white supremacist police state Nazi Germany rather than the more reasonable "things may have improved in the 57 years I was frozen" is anyone guess.)

* WhatAnIdiot: Giant Man, having the element of surprise, managed to get the Hulk problem well in hand.
-->'''You'd expect:''' That he would keep him that way until Iron Man and Captain America arrive to the area, and help to subdue him.
-->'''Instead:''' He opens his hand, expecting to find Hulk all nice and relaxed. It's a miracle that he didn't lose his head right there.

* {{Narm}}:
** From ''Vol 1'' The Hulk gives us this immortal line:
-->'''Hulk:''' HULK WANT FREDDIE PRINZE JR!
** In fact a majority of Hulk's lines fall directly into Narm territory. Especially the time he creepily told Thor that being pummeled by Thor's hammer "only makes Hulk hornier".

** "This nose has been smashed more times than Creator/RobertDowneyJr"
** While on the subject, when the Ultimates and Fury are sitting around discussing who would play them in a potential movie adaptation of their exploits, Nick Fury is quick to say that he would want to have none other than Samuel L. Jackson cast as him and only him with no exceptions. Six years later, who else but the most famous most baddest of mofos would approach [[Film/IronMan Tony Stark (played by RDJ)]] to discuss [[Film/TheAvengers2012 the Avenger Initiative]]? Though of course, Fury was already drawn to resemble Jackson on the condition that he could play Fury in movies.

* HarsherInHindsight:
** In their first fight, Hulk said to Iron Man "Little man smells like canned meat! Hulk wanna know if he tastes like canned meat too!". At the time, it sounded as mere battle bravado. It turned out later that Ultimate Hulk is a cannibal, so ''he actually meant it''.
** In the first series, we find out that Hawkeye calls his wife and kids before ''every'' mission, just in case it's his last one. He thinks that, with his line of work, he may die any day. But in the second miniseries, it is ''them'' who are killed.

* {{Asspull}}: Pym attacked Jan with ants, almost killed her, and ran away. Next issue, paramedics take her to the hospital and Captain America decides to avenge her. But how do we know that it was Pym? Oh, the neighbors can hear them discussing at home. How could the paramedics grow her back to regular size? They didn't need to: she was in a coma, but she managed to grow up when they arrived (and let's not think about that big desk she had inside). And what were the paramedics doing in there to begin with? Called by the neighbors, perhaps?

* In the first series, we find out that Hawkeye calls his wife and kids before ''every'' mission, just in case it's his last one. He thinks that, with his line of work, he may die any day. But in the second miniseries, it is ''them'' who are killed.

* CompleteMonster: Issues 10-13: The Chitauri general known as "Herr Kleiser" is an alien who seeks the enslavement or destruction of humankind. Having worked with the Nazis during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, fully endorsing their [[PoWCamp concentration camps]] and war crimes and even trying to work with them in bombing London to oblivion, Kleiser goes into hiding only to return decades later, wiping out tens of thousands of ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} agents to eliminate opposition. After attempting to [[WaterSourceTampering poison the water supplies]] of the world and dumb down humanity, Kleiser is given the order by his Chitauri superiors to destroy Earth, and happily prepares to activate a bomb to wipe out the entire solar system Earth resides in, remarking it's only a shame because he wanted time to molest and murder [[ComicBook/TheWasp Janet van Dyne]]. Though only one member of the Chitauri, Kleiser is shown to be the absolute worst his race has to offer.

* {{Narm)):

* HarsherInHindsight: In their first fight, Hulk said to Iron Man "Little man smells like canned meat! Hulk wanna know if he tastes like canned meat too!". At the time, it sounded as mere battle bravado. It turned out later that Ultimate Hulk is a cannibal, so ''he actually meant it''.
* HilariousInHindsight: "This nose has been smashed more times than Creator/RobertDowneyJr"
* MoralEventHorizon: Hank Pym soars over it during his fight with Jan. ... or he would, if not for the revelation a few issues later that he's been brutalizing her since they started dating.

-->'''Instead:''' He opens his hand, expecting to find Hulk all nice and relaxed. It's a miracle that he didn't lose his head right there.

* CompleteMonster: The Chitauri general known as "Herr Kleiser" is an alien who seeks the enslavement or destruction of humankind. Having worked with the Nazis during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, fully endorsing their [[PoWCamp concentration camps]] and war crimes and even trying to work with them in bombing London to oblivion, Kleiser goes into hiding only to return decades later, wiping out tens of thousands of ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} agents to eliminate opposition. After attempting to [[WaterSourceTampering poison the water supplies]] of the world and dumb down humanity, Kleiser is given the order by his Chitauri superiors to destroy Earth, and happily prepares to activate a bomb to wipe out the entire solar system Earth resides in, remarking it's only a shame because he wanted time to molest and murder [[ComicBook/TheWasp Janet van Dyne]]. Though only one member of the Chitauri, Kleiser is shown to be the absolute worst his race has to offer.

* HarsherInHindsight: In their first fight, Hulk said to Iron Man "Little man smells like canned meat! Hulk wanna know if he tastes like canned meat too!". At the time, it sounded as mere battle bravado. It turned out later that Ultimate Hulk is cannibal, so ''he actually meant it''.

* HilariousInHindsight: [[MemeticMutation Infamously]]: "This nose has been smashed more times than Creator/RobertDowneyJr"

* GeniusBonus: The "Son of Star Wars" that Nick Fury mentioned is a missile defense program, proposed during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, for space-based weapons to shoot down intercontinental ballistic missiles ([=ICBMs=]). It has no relation to the Franchise/StarWars franchise, other than the popular name it got.

* GeniusBonus: The "Son of Star Wars" that Nick Fury mentioned is a missile defense program, proposed during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, for space-based weapons to shoot down intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). It has no relation to the Franchise/StarWars franchise, other than the popular name it got.