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* HarsherInHindsight: The episode "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS14E6TheGreatLouseDetective The Great Louse Detective]]" showcases that Frank Grimes has a grown-up son, Frank Grimes Jr., who [[{{Handwave}} explains Homer's question of how Grimes could have a son if he was not married]] with an angry "he liked hookers, okay?!". Any potential theories that this {{Retcon}} tosses on the table only further place Grimes into the “UnintentionallyUnsympathetic" territory.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Part of the core reason for the episode's BrokenBase. This is ''easily'' the most cynical and bleak episode in the entire show, depicting Springfield as a CrapsackWorld that drives an ordinary man to insanity and ultimately death, and [[TheHero Homer]] as an unsympathetic IdiotHoudini undeserving of what he has. Those who found themselves attached to Homer's character in specific across the series are more than likely to be put off.
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* SignatureScene: Grimes' visit to the Simpson home and his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Homer is one of the most oft-discussed and analysed scenes in the series.
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These entries seem to overanalyze the episode, when the writers attempted to portray both Grimes and Homer as setpieces of a tragicomedy


** Even though Frank Grimes has worked extremely hard in his life, he also comes off as a myopic pedant and a hard worker working for all the wrong reasons--considering how he attempts to work and function in a society that is possibly morally and ethically broken beyond repair and is just asking for it, and how he looks at what Homer and his family have as "normal", and is pure straight out jealous of him, he also reeks of EpilepticTrees of self-entitled, self-pitying, and uninsightful idiots that believe that playing the same IdiotBall game of materialistic society will make them the kings of the Idiot Ball, instead of saying [[ScrewTheMoneyIHaveRules "Screw the money, I have standards."]] Plus it also doesn't help that Springfield was mentioned and is constantly shown in infamous light in all of America, episodes PRIOR to his employment in "America's Crudbucket." Even though Homer is portrayed as stupid, Grimes' brand of stupidity got him what he deserved.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: Homer. We're supposed to side with Frank Grimes -- [[{{Deconstruction}} the idea of the episode is that a "normal" person wouldn't be as amused with Homer's antics as the other characters are]]. The thing is, while Homer ''is'' an idiot and an incompetent employee, and he does initially do a number of callous things like steal Frank's lunch and office supplies, once he learns that Frank dislikes him for it he spends the remainder of the episode trying to make amends. Meanwhile, Frank acts like a complete {{Jerkass}} towards him, [[GreenEyedMonster and it's blatantly obvious that he's just jealous that Homer's life is better than his (as far as he knows, anyway)]], and notably part of what sets off this rant is Homer's family attempting to be kind to him by serving him a lobster dinner and being on their best behavior. Frank even goes so far as to claim that Homer doesn't deserve his happiness and attempts to humiliate Homer even after Homer tried to make amends.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Frank Grimes [[{{Deconstruction}} was supposed to be what happens when a normal person exists in the Simpsons universe]], but as his episode played out, Frank was far from normal. Not only did Frank go out in a jealous rage in front of Homer and his family even though he tries to reconcile with him, he was also portrayed as a pompous, selfish, self-pitying, and uptight jerk that expected everything to fall into his lap, and was a pathetic dreg of a person who refused to stand up for himself and instead played by the rules, when all throughout his life, said rules screwed him over. Furthermore, Frank is far from a "real" person in that [[DeusAngstMachina his life is just exaggerated misery after misery]], such as his parents abandoning him and waving goodbye all the way to losing a sweet position in the power plant to a ''dog''. [[{{Flanderization}} And Homer's annoying tendencies and stupidity were amped up a lot more than he usually was]] as if the writers were specifically trying to make Homer so obnoxious the viewers would have no choice but to sympathize with Frank (and even then Homer, and almost every other character except Mr Burns [[PetTheDog is sympathetic towards Frank]], [[ComicallyMissingThePoint just his frustration towards Homer goes over their heads]]). But it's hard to feel sympathy when Frank is overly wound up already. Also, despite Homer's increased stupidity and obnoxious behavior, he was the only one who cared about Frank's well-being.
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* ItWasHisSled: Grimes goes insane and ends up killing himself in a failed attempt to emulate Homer.
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** Suffering is completely meaningless, and expecting to be rewarded for your ability to suffer is a fool's game, because [[AllForNothing ultimately it will just hurt you even more while giving you nothing.]]
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* ValuesDissonance: Audiences watching in the TheNewTens and TheNewTwenties are less likely to agree with Frank Grimes's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech about what a LazyBum Homer is, as it's become apparent that American workers are actually among the world's most ''overworked'' people, lacking basic benefits that exist in other prosperous nations, like paid time off.

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* ValuesDissonance: Audiences watching in the TheNewTens and TheNewTwenties are less likely to agree with Frank Grimes's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech about what a LazyBum Homer is, in particular the line "If you lived in any other country in the world, you'd have starved to death long ago", as it's become apparent that American workers are actually among the world's most ''overworked'' people, lacking basic benefits that exist in other prosperous nations, like paid time off.
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Both tropes are now about general fandom trends of painting the hero in a bad light/painting the villain in a good light, not specific episodes/fanfics.


* DracoInLeatherPants: Homer gets both this and RonTheDeathEater, depending on the interpretation. Some viewers claim this is one the worst cases of "Jerkass Homer" episodes, while other interpretations of this episode rest on the idea that Homer was completely well-meaning and Frank just overreacted, but Frank had numerous reasons to dislike Homer: he not only ate his lunch and chewed all his pencils, but snitched Frank up to Mr. Burns moments after Frank ''saved his life''. And if Homer really cared that much about Frank, he would have at least made an effort to stay awake during his funeral. While he was being InnocentlyInsensitive, this episode also shows how a reckless and inconsiderate LazyBum would come off as disrespectful.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: * Frank Grimes [[{{Deconstruction was supposed to be what happens when a normal person exists in the Simpsons universe]], but as his episode played out, Frank was far from normal. Not only did Frank go out in a jealous rage in front of Homer and his family even though he tries to reconcile with him, he was also portrayed as a pompous, selfish, self-pitying, and uptight jerk that expected everything to fall into his lap, and was a pathetic dreg of a person who refused to stand up for himself and instead played by the rules, when all throughout his life, said rules screwed him over. Furthermore, Frank is far from a "real" person in that [[DeusAngstMachina his life is just exaggerated misery after misery]], such as his parents abandoning him and waving goodbye all the way to losing a sweet position in the power plant to a ''dog''. [[{{Flanderization}} And Homer's annoying tendencies and stupidity were amped up a lot more than he usually was]] as if the writers were specifically trying to make Homer so obnoxious the viewers would have no choice but to sympathize with Frank (and even then Homer, and almost every other character except Mr Burns [[PetTheDog is sympathetic towards Frank]], [[ComicallyMissingThePoint just his frustration towards Homer goes over their heads]]). But it's hard to feel sympathy when Frank is overly wound up already. Also, despite Homer's increased stupidity and obnoxious behavior, he was the only one who cared about Frank's well-being.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: * Frank Grimes [[{{Deconstruction [[{{Deconstruction}} was supposed to be what happens when a normal person exists in the Simpsons universe]], but as his episode played out, Frank was far from normal. Not only did Frank go out in a jealous rage in front of Homer and his family even though he tries to reconcile with him, he was also portrayed as a pompous, selfish, self-pitying, and uptight jerk that expected everything to fall into his lap, and was a pathetic dreg of a person who refused to stand up for himself and instead played by the rules, when all throughout his life, said rules screwed him over. Furthermore, Frank is far from a "real" person in that [[DeusAngstMachina his life is just exaggerated misery after misery]], such as his parents abandoning him and waving goodbye all the way to losing a sweet position in the power plant to a ''dog''. [[{{Flanderization}} And Homer's annoying tendencies and stupidity were amped up a lot more than he usually was]] as if the writers were specifically trying to make Homer so obnoxious the viewers would have no choice but to sympathize with Frank (and even then Homer, and almost every other character except Mr Burns [[PetTheDog is sympathetic towards Frank]], [[ComicallyMissingThePoint just his frustration towards Homer goes over their heads]]). But it's hard to feel sympathy when Frank is overly wound up already. Also, despite Homer's increased stupidity and obnoxious behavior, he was the only one who cared about Frank's well-being.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As the DesignatedHero and DesignatedVillain entries show, this is apparent in both Frank and Homer depending on which opposing side you're on. Some viewers, meanwhile, would see that [[TakeAThirdOption both]] are this due to both sides being hard to root for.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Homer. We're supposed to side with Frank Grimes -- [[{{Deconstruction}} the idea of the episode is that a "normal" person wouldn't be as amused with Homer's antics as the other characters are]]. The thing is, while Homer ''is'' an idiot and an incompetent employee, and he does initially do a number of callous things like steal Frank's lunch and office supplies, once he learns that Frank dislikes him for it he spends the remainder of the episode trying to make amends. Meanwhile, Frank acts like a complete {{Jerkass}} towards him, [[GreenEyedMonster and it's blatantly obvious that he's just jealous that Homer's life is better than his (as far as he knows, anyway)]], and notably part of what sets off this rant is Homer's family attempting to be kind to him by serving him a lobster dinner and being on their best behavior. Frank even goes so far as to claim that Homer doesn't deserve his happiness and attempts to humiliate Homer even after Homer tried to make amends.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As the DesignatedHero and DesignatedVillain entries show, this is apparent in both * Frank and Grimes [[{{Deconstruction was supposed to be what happens when a normal person exists in the Simpsons universe]], but as his episode played out, Frank was far from normal. Not only did Frank go out in a jealous rage in front of Homer depending on which opposing side you're on. Some viewers, meanwhile, and his family even though he tries to reconcile with him, he was also portrayed as a pompous, selfish, self-pitying, and uptight jerk that expected everything to fall into his lap, and was a pathetic dreg of a person who refused to stand up for himself and instead played by the rules, when all throughout his life, said rules screwed him over. Furthermore, Frank is far from a "real" person in that [[DeusAngstMachina his life is just exaggerated misery after misery]], such as his parents abandoning him and waving goodbye all the way to losing a sweet position in the power plant to a ''dog''. [[{{Flanderization}} And Homer's annoying tendencies and stupidity were amped up a lot more than he usually was]] as if the writers were specifically trying to make Homer so obnoxious the viewers would see that [[TakeAThirdOption both]] are this due have no choice but to both sides being sympathize with Frank (and even then Homer, and almost every other character except Mr Burns [[PetTheDog is sympathetic towards Frank]], [[ComicallyMissingThePoint just his frustration towards Homer goes over their heads]]). But it's hard to root for.feel sympathy when Frank is overly wound up already. Also, despite Homer's increased stupidity and obnoxious behavior, he was the only one who cared about Frank's well-being.
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* ValuesDissonance: Audiences watching in the TheNewTens and TheNewTwenties are less likely to agree with Frank Grimes's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech about what a LazyBum Homer is, as it's become apparent that American workers are actually among the world's most ''overworked'' workers, lacking basic benefits like paid time off that exist in other prosperous nations.

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* ValuesDissonance: Audiences watching in the TheNewTens and TheNewTwenties are less likely to agree with Frank Grimes's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech about what a LazyBum Homer is, as it's become apparent that American workers are actually among the world's most ''overworked'' workers, people, lacking basic benefits like paid time off that exist in other prosperous nations.nations, like paid time off.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Frank Grimes only appeared in this one episode, yet is one of the show's most memorable characters (for better or worse).

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: This episode is often considered by fans as "the start of Jerkass Homer", with many people mentioning it as the ultimate example of Homer being a horrible jerk. This is hardly true, and despite being unintentionally rude in the beginning, Homer is not particularly mean in this episode (he's InnocentlyInsensitive in the first half, and a KindheartedSimpleton in the second half). Justified, since this is a darker episode where Homer's reckless behavior drives another character to insanity and eventually death, and he gets away with it, and all these things are associated with the worst and most flanderized characterization of Homer, so "Jerkass Homer".



* RonTheDeathEater: This episode is often considered by fans as "the start of Jerkass Homer", with many people mentioning it as the ultimate example of Homer being a horrible jerk. This is hardly true, and despite being unintentionally rude in the beginning, Homer is not particularly mean in this episode (he's InnocentlyInsensitive in the first half, and a KindheartedSimpleton in the second half). Justified, since this is a darker episode where Homer's reckless behavior drives another character to insanity and eventually death, and he gets away with it, and all these things are associated with the worst and most flanderized characterization of Homer, so "Jerkass Homer".
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* ValuesDissonance: Audiences watching in the TheNewTens and TheNewTwenties are less likely to agree with Frank Grimes' TheReasonYouSuckSpeech about what a LazyBum Homer is, as it's become apparent that American workers are actually among the world's most ''overworked'' workers, lacking basic benefits like paid time off that exist in other prosperous nations.

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* ValuesDissonance: Audiences watching in the TheNewTens and TheNewTwenties are less likely to agree with Frank Grimes' Grimes's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech about what a LazyBum Homer is, as it's become apparent that American workers are actually among the world's most ''overworked'' workers, lacking basic benefits like paid time off that exist in other prosperous nations.
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* ValuesDissonance: Audiences watching in the TheNewTens and TheNewTwenties are less likely to agree with Frank Grimes' TheReasonYouSuckSpeech about what a LazyBum Homer is, as it's become apparent that American workers are actually among the world's most ''overworked'' workers, lacking basic benefits like paid time off that exist in other prosperous nations.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Josh Weinstein regretted killing Frank off after only one episode..

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Josh Weinstein regretted killing Frank off after only one episode.
* TooBleakStoppedCaring:
** The episode is a dark, bitter {{Deconstruction}} of the show's mythology, which was so shocking to fans that some think it forever tainted the series' legacy of being biting but lighthearted, not outright sick and twisted.
** The episode also suffered from focusing on a character that was basically this trope defined. Grimes' life was portrayed as being difficult from the get-go, being abandoned by his parents, surviving an explosion and working every day of his life to achieve what little he has today. The fact that Grimes was supposed to be seen as a regular, real-life person thrown into the insane world of ''The Simpsons'' failed precisely because he did not come across as a regular person. Frank also comes off as unlikeable, while Homer at least tries to makes amends with him after a while.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Josh Weinstein regretted killing Frank off after only one episode.
* TooBleakStoppedCaring:
** The episode is a dark, bitter {{Deconstruction}} of the show's mythology, which was so shocking to fans that some think it forever tainted the series' legacy of being biting but lighthearted, not outright sick and twisted.
** The episode also suffered from focusing on a character that was basically this trope defined. Grimes' life was portrayed as being difficult from the get-go, being abandoned by his parents, surviving an explosion and working every day of his life to achieve what little he has today. The fact that Grimes was supposed to be seen as a regular, real-life person thrown into the insane world of ''The Simpsons'' failed precisely because he did not come across as a regular person. Frank also comes off as unlikeable, while Homer at least tries to makes amends with him after a while.
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* JerkassWoobie: Frank Grimes was supposed to be TheWoobie, but really comes off more like this. He's had a god-awful life after being abandoned by his parents, was such a NoRespectGuy that everyone laughed at his funeral, and [[TooDumbToLive has had to work with Homer's stupid antics.]] These would all make him sympathetic, except in general he's a very bitter and jaded man, and he is deeply hateful and jealous of Homer for reasons that are ultimately beyond his control while Homer genuinely wants to be his friend. [[JerkassHasAPoint It just doesn't stop him from being otherwise correct.]]

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* JerkassWoobie: Frank Grimes was supposed to be TheWoobie, but really comes off more like this. He's had a god-awful life after being abandoned by his parents, was such a NoRespectGuy that everyone laughed at his funeral, and [[TooDumbToLive has had to work with Homer's stupid antics.]] These would all make him sympathetic, except in general he's a very bitter and jaded man, and he is deeply hateful and jealous of Homer for reasons that are ultimately beyond his control while Homer genuinely wants to be his friend. [[JerkassHasAPoint It just doesn't stop him from being otherwise correct.correct about]] [[ThisIsReality what would have normally happened.]]
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* JerkassWoobie: Frank Grimes was supposed to be TheWoobie, but really comes off more like this. He's had a god-awful life after being abandoned by his parents, was such a NoRespectGuy that everyone laughed at his funeral, and [[TooDumbToLive has had to work with Homer's stupid antics.]] These would all make him sympathetic, except in general he's a very bitter and jaded man, and he is deeply hateful and jealous of Homer for reasons that are ultimately beyond his control while Homer genuinely wants to be his friend.

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* JerkassWoobie: Frank Grimes was supposed to be TheWoobie, but really comes off more like this. He's had a god-awful life after being abandoned by his parents, was such a NoRespectGuy that everyone laughed at his funeral, and [[TooDumbToLive has had to work with Homer's stupid antics.]] These would all make him sympathetic, except in general he's a very bitter and jaded man, and he is deeply hateful and jealous of Homer for reasons that are ultimately beyond his control while Homer genuinely wants to be his friend. [[JerkassHasAPoint It just doesn't stop him from being otherwise correct.]]
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I really don't think it can be a Sacred Cow if it has all these criticisms, if this page is anything to go by


* SacredCow: The episode is considered one of the best in the Simpsons for being not only funny but a surprisingly deep commentary on things like hard work and reward.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: This is a story featuring Homer having an envious co-worker...that also is an interesting critique of society and how it seems to reward the undeserving while ignoring the hardworking.
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* SacredCow: The episode is considered one of the best in the Simpsons for being not only funny but a surprisingly deep commentary on things like hard work and reward.
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** Don't work somewhere that makes you miserable or disrespects your opinion. While Grimes does have good reasons to dislike Homer, most of the problems at the plant stem from how it is ''run''. Homer's own co-workers are apathetic to his antics while Burns is the one who punishes Grimes while also making dumb decisions like keeping acid in a break room and hiring a dog to be an executive.

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** Don't work somewhere that makes you miserable or disrespects your opinion. While Grimes does have good reasons to dislike Homer, most of the problems at the plant stem from how it is ''run''. Homer's own co-workers are apathetic to his antics while Burns is the one who punishes Grimes while also making dumb decisions like keeping acid in a break room and revoking Grimes' promotion in favor of hiring a dog to be an executive.
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** "Dwelling on self-pity and envy will ruin your life, not make it better. Appreciate what you have and take the opportunity when it's offered to you, not wait for the next one." Grimes' envy blinded him to his own accomplishments, he broke through every wave of struggle and achieved a lot in life despite his awful childhood, but he couldn't appreciate any of them because he felt Homer was given far better opportunities than he deserved. Grimes was so honed in on Homer's accomplishments and validating his own hard work that he refused to learn how Homer got these opportunities in the first place or how they truly affected his life [[note]] he only knew Gerald Ford because he was his neighbour, not because he knew him as a close personal friend. The mission he was an astronaut in? [[LethallyStupid He nearly got everybody killed]]. Having 3 kids isn't as easy or glamorous as Grimes thinks and since they were unplanned pregnancies, it forced Homer to give up his dreams for the sake of his family. Bart's factory was only bought for one dollar and he doesn't run it like a business. Homer's relationship with Marge wasn't handed to him on a silver plate and she fell for him because he was genuinely a nice guy who wanted the best for her. And while he won a Grammy award, it was for a song that was a very quick fad and the show goes out of its way to [[TakeThat call the Grammys worthless every chance it gets]][[/note]].

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** "Dwelling on self-pity and envy will ruin your life, not make it better. Appreciate what you have and take the opportunity when it's offered to you, not wait for the next one." Grimes' envy blinded him to his own accomplishments, he broke through every wave of struggle and achieved a lot in life despite his awful childhood, but he couldn't appreciate any of them because he felt Homer was given far better opportunities than he deserved. Grimes was so honed in on Homer's accomplishments and validating his own hard work that he refused to learn how Homer got these opportunities in the first place or how they truly affected his life [[note]] he only knew Gerald Ford because he was his neighbour, not because he knew him as a close personal friend. The mission he was an astronaut in? [[LethallyStupid He nearly got everybody killed]]. Having 3 kids isn't as easy or glamorous as Grimes thinks and since they were unplanned pregnancies, it forced Homer to give up his dreams for the sake of his family. Bart's factory was only bought for one dollar and he doesn't run it like a business. Homer's relationship with Marge wasn't handed to him on a silver plate and she fell for him because he was genuinely a nice guy who wanted the best for her. And while he won a Grammy award, it was for a song that was a very quick fad and the show goes out of its way to [[TakeThat call the Grammys worthless every chance it gets]][[/note]]. life.
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** "Dwelling on self-pity and envy will ruin your life, not make it better. Appreciate what you have and take the opportunity when it's offered to you, not wait for the next one." Grimes' envy blinded him to his own accomplishments, he broke through every wave of struggle and achieved a lot in life despite his awful childhood, but he couldn't appreciate any of them because he felt Homer was given far better opportunities than he deserved. Grimes was so honed in on Homer's accomplishments and validating his own hard work that he refused to learn how Homer got these opportunities in the first place or how they truly affected his life [[note]] he only knew Gerald Ford because he was his neighbour, not because he knew him as a close personal friend. Having 3 kids isn't as easy or glamorous as Grimes thinks and since they were unplanned pregnancies, it forced Homer to give up his dreams for the sake of his family. Bart's factory was only bought for one dollar and he doesn't run it like a business. Homer's relationship with Marge wasn't handed to him on a silver plate and she fell for him because he was genuinely a nice guy who wanted the best for her. And while he won a Grammy award, it was for a song that was a very quick fad and the show goes out of its way to [[TakeThat call the Grammys worthless every chance it gets]][[/note]].

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** "Dwelling on self-pity and envy will ruin your life, not make it better. Appreciate what you have and take the opportunity when it's offered to you, not wait for the next one." Grimes' envy blinded him to his own accomplishments, he broke through every wave of struggle and achieved a lot in life despite his awful childhood, but he couldn't appreciate any of them because he felt Homer was given far better opportunities than he deserved. Grimes was so honed in on Homer's accomplishments and validating his own hard work that he refused to learn how Homer got these opportunities in the first place or how they truly affected his life [[note]] he only knew Gerald Ford because he was his neighbour, not because he knew him as a close personal friend. The mission he was an astronaut in? [[LethallyStupid He nearly got everybody killed]]. Having 3 kids isn't as easy or glamorous as Grimes thinks and since they were unplanned pregnancies, it forced Homer to give up his dreams for the sake of his family. Bart's factory was only bought for one dollar and he doesn't run it like a business. Homer's relationship with Marge wasn't handed to him on a silver plate and she fell for him because he was genuinely a nice guy who wanted the best for her. And while he won a Grammy award, it was for a song that was a very quick fad and the show goes out of its way to [[TakeThat call the Grammys worthless every chance it gets]][[/note]].
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** "Dwelling on self-pity and envy will ruin your life, not make it better. Appreciate what you have and take the opportunity when it's offered to you, not wait for the next one." Grimes' envy blinded him to his own accomplishments, he broke through every wave of struggle and achieved a lot in life despite his awful childhood, but he couldn't appreciate any of them because he felt Homer was given far better opportunities than he deserved. Grimes was so honed in on Homer's accomplishments and validating his own hard work that he refused to learn how Homer got these opportunities in the first place or how they truly affected his life [[note]] he only knew Gerald Ford because he was his neighbour, not because he knew him as a close personal friend. Having 3 kids isn't as easy or glamorous as Grimes thinks and since they were unplanned pregnancies, it forced Homer to give up his dreams for the sake of his family. Bart's factory was only bought for one dollar and he doesn't run it like a business. Homer's relationship with Marge wasn't handed to him on a silver plate and she fell for him because he was genuinely a nice guy who wanted the best for her.[[/note]].

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** "Dwelling on self-pity and envy will ruin your life, not make it better. Appreciate what you have and take the opportunity when it's offered to you, not wait for the next one." Grimes' envy blinded him to his own accomplishments, he broke through every wave of struggle and achieved a lot in life despite his awful childhood, but he couldn't appreciate any of them because he felt Homer was given far better opportunities than he deserved. Grimes was so honed in on Homer's accomplishments and validating his own hard work that he refused to learn how Homer got these opportunities in the first place or how they truly affected his life [[note]] he only knew Gerald Ford because he was his neighbour, not because he knew him as a close personal friend. Having 3 kids isn't as easy or glamorous as Grimes thinks and since they were unplanned pregnancies, it forced Homer to give up his dreams for the sake of his family. Bart's factory was only bought for one dollar and he doesn't run it like a business. Homer's relationship with Marge wasn't handed to him on a silver plate and she fell for him because he was genuinely a nice guy who wanted the best for her.[[/note]]. And while he won a Grammy award, it was for a song that was a very quick fad and the show goes out of its way to [[TakeThat call the Grammys worthless every chance it gets]][[/note]].

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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Even though Frank Grimes has worked extremely hard in his life, he also comes off as a myopic pedant and a hard worker working for all the wrong reasons--considering how he attempts to work and function in a society that is possibly morally and ethically broken beyond repair and is just asking for it, and how he looks at what Homer and his family have as "normal", and is pure straight out jealous of him, he also reeks of EpilepticTrees of self-entitled, self-pitying, and uninsightful idiots that believe that playing the same IdiotBall game of materialistic society will make them the kings of the Idiot Ball, instead of saying [[ScrewTheMoneyIHaveRules "Screw the money, I have standards."]] Plus it also doesn't help that Springfield was mentioned and is constantly shown in infamous light in all of America, episodes PRIOR to his employment in "America's Crudbucket." Even though Homer is portrayed as stupid, Grimes' brand of stupidity got him what he deserved.

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Even though Frank Grimes has worked extremely hard in his life, he also comes off as a myopic pedant and a hard worker working for all the wrong reasons--considering how he attempts to work and function in a society that is possibly morally and ethically broken beyond repair and is just asking for it, and how he looks at what Homer and his family have as "normal", and is pure straight out jealous of him, he also reeks of EpilepticTrees of self-entitled, self-pitying, and uninsightful idiots that believe that playing the same IdiotBall game of materialistic society will make them the kings of the Idiot Ball, instead of saying [[ScrewTheMoneyIHaveRules "Screw the money, I have standards."]] Plus it also doesn't help that Springfield was mentioned and is constantly shown in infamous light in all of America, episodes PRIOR to his employment in "America's Crudbucket." Even though Homer is portrayed as stupid, Grimes' brand of stupidity got him what he deserved.
** The HardTruthAesop of HardWorkHardlyWorks and that your success in life will not be rewarded because you put your nose to the grindstone but largely factors entirely out of your control.

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* AngstAversion:
** The episode is a dark, bitter {{Deconstruction}} of the show's mythology, which was so shocking to fans that some think it forever tainted the series' legacy of being biting but lighthearted, not outright sick and twisted.
** The episode also suffered from focusing on a character that was basically this trope defined. Grimes' life was portrayed as being difficult from the get-go, being abandoned by his parents, surviving an explosion and working every day of his life to achieve what little he has today. The fact that Grimes was supposed to be seen as a regular, real-life person thrown into the insane world of ''The Simpsons'' failed precisely because he did not come across as a regular person. Frank also comes off as unlikeable, while Homer at least tries to makes amends with him after a while.


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* TooBleakStoppedCaring:
** The episode is a dark, bitter {{Deconstruction}} of the show's mythology, which was so shocking to fans that some think it forever tainted the series' legacy of being biting but lighthearted, not outright sick and twisted.
** The episode also suffered from focusing on a character that was basically this trope defined. Grimes' life was portrayed as being difficult from the get-go, being abandoned by his parents, surviving an explosion and working every day of his life to achieve what little he has today. The fact that Grimes was supposed to be seen as a regular, real-life person thrown into the insane world of ''The Simpsons'' failed precisely because he did not come across as a regular person. Frank also comes off as unlikeable, while Homer at least tries to makes amends with him after a while.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Grimes. Depending on who you ask, he's a {{Jerkass}} or TheWoobie (but not a JerkassWoobie). This also determined whether you found his death and Homer's final line funny or cruel.

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Grimes. Depending on who you ask, he's a {{Jerkass}} or TheWoobie (but not a JerkassWoobie). This also determined whether you found his death and Homer's final line funny or cruel.cruel.
** Homer. Depending on who you ask, he's either a {{Jerkass}} who caused Frank's death or a KindheartedSimpleton who was just a victim of Frank's IrrationalHatred.



** Reverend Lovejoy saying that Frank liked to be called "Grimey" (the nickname he actually hated, invented by the person he hated the most) at his funeral.

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** Reverend Lovejoy saying that Frank liked to be called "Grimey" (the nickname he actually hated, invented by the person he hated the most) most, the same person who [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom drove him crazy]] and caused his AccidentalSuicide) at his funeral. Very dark, but it's one of the most quoted lines from this episode.



* DracoInLeatherPants: A lot of interpretations of this episode rest on the idea that Homer was completely well-meaning and Frank just overreacted, but Frank had numerous reasons to dislike Homer: he not only ate his lunch and chewed all his pencils, but snitched Frank up to Mr. Burns moments after Frank ''saved his life''.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: A lot Homer gets both this and RonTheDeathEater, depending on the interpretation. Some viewers claim this is one the worst cases of "Jerkass Homer" episodes, while other interpretations of this episode rest on the idea that Homer was completely well-meaning and Frank just overreacted, but Frank had numerous reasons to dislike Homer: he not only ate his lunch and chewed all his pencils, but snitched Frank up to Mr. Burns moments after Frank ''saved his life''. And if Homer really cared that much about Frank, he would have at least made an effort to stay awake during his funeral. While he was being InnocentlyInsensitive, this episode also shows how a reckless and inconsiderate LazyBum would come off as disrespectful.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: If Frank Grimes' death itself doesn't do the job, Homer mumbling "change the channel, Marge" while half-asleep at Grimes' funeral does.

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If Frank Grimes' death itself doesn't do the job, Homer mumbling "change the channel, Marge" while half-asleep at Grimes' funeral does.does.
** Reverend Lovejoy saying that Frank liked to be called "Grimey" (the nickname he actually hated, invented by the person he hated the most) at his funeral.

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