History YMMV / TheSilmarillion

29th Dec '16 4:00:35 AM Shadowgazer
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** The best or rather worst examples from a side other than Morgoth's are undoubtedly Celegorm and Curufin, however. They [[SarcasmMode boast]] such great feats as: being the only elves we know of to ever try [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil to force]] [[WorldsMostBeautifulWoman Lúthien]] to marriage and attempt to trample Beren and then kill him out of spite even after he spared their unworthy lives, plotting to have Finrod (their first cousin on their father's side) killed so that they can take his kingdom and actually ''encouraging'' the [[FinalSolution Second]] [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide Kinslaying]] as a direct result of failing to get Lúthien. And yet, after all that, they are still unquestionably, absolutely, utterly against [[BigBad Morgoth]] while being every bit as vile as his servants.

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** The best or rather worst examples from a side other than Morgoth's are undoubtedly Celegorm and Curufin, however. They [[SarcasmMode boast]] such great feats as: being the only elves we know of to ever try [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil to force]] [[WorldsMostBeautifulWoman Lúthien]] to marriage and attempt to trample Beren and then kill him out of spite even [[UngratefulBastard after he spared their unworthy lives, lives]], plotting to have Finrod (their first cousin on their father's side) killed so that they can take his kingdom and actually ''encouraging'' the [[FinalSolution Second]] [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide Kinslaying]] as a direct result of failing to get Lúthien. And yet, after all that, they are still unquestionably, absolutely, utterly against [[BigBad Morgoth]] while being every bit as vile as his servants.
18th Dec '16 11:20:57 AM Valiran
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* HilariousInHindsight: During the creation of the world, Melkor is constantly undoing the work of the other Valar. They raise mountains, he smashes them. They make bodies of water, and he fills them in. He was basically Arda's equivalent of a {{griefer}}on a VideoGame/{{Minecraft}} server!

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* HilariousInHindsight: During the creation of the world, Melkor is constantly undoing the work of the other Valar. They raise mountains, he smashes them. They make bodies of water, and he fills them in. He was basically Arda's equivalent of a {{griefer}}on {{griefer}} on a VideoGame/{{Minecraft}} server!
18th Dec '16 11:20:13 AM Valiran
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* HilariousInHindsight: During the creation of the world, Melkor is constantly undoing the work of the other Valar. They raise mountains, he smashes them. They make bodies of water, and he fills them in. He was basically Arda's equivalent of a {{griefer}}on a VideoGame/{{Minecraft}} server!
29th Nov '16 10:33:37 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''Gotterdammerung'': See DarknessInducedAudienceApathy
29th Nov '16 10:31:10 PM BenOfHouston
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* [[Gotterdammerung]]: See DarknessInducedAudienceApathy

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* [[Gotterdammerung]]: ''Gotterdammerung'': See DarknessInducedAudienceApathy
29th Nov '16 10:30:51 PM BenOfHouston
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* Gotterdammerung: See DarknessInducedAudienceApathy

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* Gotterdammerung: [[Gotterdammerung]]: See DarknessInducedAudienceApathy
29th Nov '16 10:30:29 PM BenOfHouston
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* Gotterdammerung: See DarknessInducedAudienceApathy
3rd Nov '16 5:36:21 AM Cathy2708
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** Caranthir is mostly remembered by his angry outburst towards Angrod . This is enough for some people to consider him equally evil to Celegorm and Curufin. While he certainly didn't have great diplomatic talent, you really can't compare his behaviour with everything Celegorm and Curufin did in Nargothrond. Otherwise, he doesn't seem worse than, say , Amrod and Amras ( the Silmarillion version at last) and his later rescue of Haleth's tribe and his allliance with Ulfang's people show that he revised his racist beliefs to some point at least.
27th Oct '16 5:47:41 PM dlchen145
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** Fëanor. So, ''so'' much. Possibly because (as JerkassWoobie notes below) despite making things far worse, and being a total dick, he was also a {{Badass}}.

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** Fëanor. So, ''so'' much. Possibly because (as JerkassWoobie notes below) despite making things far worse, and being a total dick, he was also a {{Badass}}.badass.



* FauxActionGuy: Beren is certainly a {{Badass}}, but his contributions to the quest for a Silmaril are...less than heroic (though no doubt courageous). He immediately gets captured (so Lúthien has to save him), had no plan on how to get into Angband (so Lúthien did it for him), got his stupid hand bitten off ([[RuleOfThree so Lúthien had to heal him]]) by Carcharoth, which also caused an epic wave of destruction in its wake, then later got his ass handed to him again by the same monster (so Huan killed it instead and Luthien had to bargain with Mandos to bring him back). Lúthien and Huan could have done the whole thing without him. He was actually more of a liability than a help.

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* FauxActionGuy: Beren is certainly a {{Badass}}, badass, but his contributions to the quest for a Silmaril are...less than heroic (though no doubt courageous). He immediately gets captured (so Lúthien has to save him), had no plan on how to get into Angband (so Lúthien did it for him), got his stupid hand bitten off ([[RuleOfThree so Lúthien had to heal him]]) by Carcharoth, which also caused an epic wave of destruction in its wake, then later got his ass handed to him again by the same monster (so Huan killed it instead and Luthien had to bargain with Mandos to bring him back). Lúthien and Huan could have done the whole thing without him. He was actually more of a liability than a help.
7th Sep '16 2:04:25 AM PaulA
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* OlderThanTheyThink: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earendel "Earendel"]] is an old Northern European name for a god or a star or something along those lines. It seems to be one of those words that stick in people's heads: names like Earendel/ Horwendill crop up in the oddest places - James Branch Cabell and John Fowles's ''The Magus'', and such.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earendel "Earendel"]] is an old Northern European name for a god or a star or something along those lines. It seems to be one of those words that stick in people's heads: names like Earendel/ Horwendill crop up in the oddest places - James Branch Cabell places, including the works of Creator/JamesBranchCabell and John Fowles's ''The Magus'', and such.''Literature/TheMagus''.
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