History YMMV / TheSearchers

18th May '17 2:27:17 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* AwardSnub: Received no nominations at the Oscars. Rather ironic, considering how the film is now viewed as a masterpiece by Creator/JohnFord, who was otherwise the most rewarded director in the Oscar's history. Of course this was a time when westerns were generally regarded as disposable entertainment and none of Ford's westerns won him an Oscar.

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* AwardSnub: Received no nominations at the Oscars.[[UsefulNotes/AcademyAward Oscars]]. Rather ironic, considering how the film is now viewed as a masterpiece by Creator/JohnFord, who was otherwise the most rewarded director in the Oscar's history. Of course this was a time when westerns were generally regarded as disposable entertainment and none of Ford's westerns won him an Oscar.



* VindicatedByHistory: The film was a box-office hit in its day but not regarded as anything more than a typical John Wayne potboiler, at least in America (the French, especially Creator/JeanLucGodard, really liked it). Even Ford fans like Lindsay Anderson were skeptical about it. It was only in the 70s that its reputation grew. It was a major cult film for the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood with Creator/PaulSchrader, Creator/JohnMilius, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/MartinScorsese spearheading the revival of its reputation and talking of its influence.

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* VindicatedByHistory: The film was a box-office hit in its day but not regarded as anything more than a typical John Wayne potboiler, at least in America (the French, especially Creator/JeanLucGodard, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff really liked it).it]]). Even Ford fans like Lindsay Anderson were skeptical about it. It was only in the 70s that its reputation grew. It was a major cult film for the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood with Creator/PaulSchrader, Creator/JohnMilius, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/MartinScorsese spearheading the revival of its reputation and talking of its influence.
22nd Apr '17 2:51:56 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* HarsherInHindsight[=/=]ValuesDissonance: While the racism is ''meant'' to make the viewer uncomfortable, modern viewers are still going to be put off far more than the 1950s audience.

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* HarsherInHindsight[=/=]ValuesDissonance: FairForItsDay: While the racism is ''meant'' to make the viewer uncomfortable, modern viewers are still going to be put off far more than the 1950s audience.



** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It's a Western about racism; so what's the big deal? Well, the "big deal" is that it was ''the'' TropeBreaker for the older, shiny-white-good-guys version of TheWestern, and was so powerful that virtually every Western, and a huge number of films in general that followed, felt compelled either try to respond to it in ''some'' way to avoid being tacky, or to at least homage and acknowledge it. Also, it must be noted that in the classic era, there were very few movies that actually deal with settler/native relations with the same kind of honesty and lack of BlackAndWhiteMorality, as noted by author Sherman Alexie.

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** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It's a Western about racism; so what's the big deal? Well, the "big deal" is that it was ''the'' TropeBreaker for the older, shiny-white-good-guys version of TheWestern, and was so powerful that virtually every Western, and a huge number of films in general that followed, felt compelled either try to respond to it in ''some'' way to avoid being tacky, or to at least homage and acknowledge it. Also, it must be noted that in the classic era, [[FairForItsDay there were very few movies that actually deal with settler/native relations with the same kind of honesty honesty]] and lack of BlackAndWhiteMorality, as noted by author Sherman Alexie.
22nd Apr '17 2:50:01 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* EvilIsCool: The Comanches in the film (as played by the Navajo) and Scar are pretty awesome and cool foes. John Milius (screenwriter of Film/ApocalypseNow and director of Film/ConanTheBarbarian1982) admitted on seeing the film that he totally [[RootingForTheEmpire rooted for the Comanches]], saying they were badass awesome warriors ("These are not jackals but Lions!"). He also admits "I wanted to be Scar".

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* EvilIsCool: The Comanches in the film (as played by the Navajo) and Scar are pretty awesome and cool foes. John Milius (screenwriter of Film/ApocalypseNow and director of Film/ConanTheBarbarian1982) [[Film/ConanTheBarbarian1982 Conan The Barbarian]]) admitted on seeing the film that he totally [[RootingForTheEmpire rooted for the Comanches]], saying they were badass awesome warriors ("These are not jackals but Lions!"). He also admits "I wanted to be Scar".
22nd Apr '17 2:49:39 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* EvilIsCool: The Comanches in the film (as played by the Navajo) and Scar are pretty awesome and cool foes. John Milius (screenwriter of Film/ApocalypseNow and director of Film/ConanTheBarbarian) admitted on seeing the film that he totally [[RootingForTheEmpire rooted for the Comanches]], saying they were badass awesome warriors ("These are not jackals but Lions!"). He also admits "I wanted to be Scar".

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* EvilIsCool: The Comanches in the film (as played by the Navajo) and Scar are pretty awesome and cool foes. John Milius (screenwriter of Film/ApocalypseNow and director of Film/ConanTheBarbarian) Film/ConanTheBarbarian1982) admitted on seeing the film that he totally [[RootingForTheEmpire rooted for the Comanches]], saying they were badass awesome warriors ("These are not jackals but Lions!"). He also admits "I wanted to be Scar".
21st Apr '17 7:41:01 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* EvilIsCool: The Comanches in the film (as played by the Navajo) and Scar are pretty awesome and cool foes. John Milius (screenwriter of Film/ApocalypseNow, director of The Wind and the Lion) admitted on seeing the film that he totally [[RootingForTheEmpire rooted for the Comanches]], saying they were badass awesome warriors ("These are not jackals but Lions!"). He also admits "I wanted to be Scar".

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* EvilIsCool: The Comanches in the film (as played by the Navajo) and Scar are pretty awesome and cool foes. John Milius (screenwriter of Film/ApocalypseNow, Film/ApocalypseNow and director of The Wind and the Lion) Film/ConanTheBarbarian) admitted on seeing the film that he totally [[RootingForTheEmpire rooted for the Comanches]], saying they were badass awesome warriors ("These are not jackals but Lions!"). He also admits "I wanted to be Scar".



** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It's a Western about racism; so what's the big deal? Well, the "big deal" is that it was ''the'' genre-buster for the older, shiny-white-good-guys version of TheWestern, and was so powerful that virtually every Western, and a huge number of films in general that followed, felt compelled either try to respond to it in ''some'' way to avoid being tacky, or to at least homage and acknowledge it. Also, it must be noted that in the classic era, there were very few movies that actually deal with settler/native relations with the same kind of honesty and lack of BlackAndWhiteMorality, as noted by author Sherman Alexie.

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** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It's a Western about racism; so what's the big deal? Well, the "big deal" is that it was ''the'' genre-buster TropeBreaker for the older, shiny-white-good-guys version of TheWestern, and was so powerful that virtually every Western, and a huge number of films in general that followed, felt compelled either try to respond to it in ''some'' way to avoid being tacky, or to at least homage and acknowledge it. Also, it must be noted that in the classic era, there were very few movies that actually deal with settler/native relations with the same kind of honesty and lack of BlackAndWhiteMorality, as noted by author Sherman Alexie.
27th Feb '17 1:18:55 PM LaptopGuy
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* HarsherInHindsight: While the racism is ''meant'' to make the viewer uncomfortable, modern viewers are still going to be put off far more than the 1950s audience.

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight[=/=]ValuesDissonance: While the racism is ''meant'' to make the viewer uncomfortable, modern viewers are still going to be put off far more than the 1950s audience.
23rd May '16 1:40:45 PM Kitchen90
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23rd May '16 1:39:36 PM Kitchen90
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** The first time we see Henry Brandon as Scar. He is ''obviously'' wearing makeup.

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** The first time we see Henry Brandon as Scar. He is ''obviously'' wearing makeup.make-up.



* VindicatedByHistory: The film was a box-office hit in its day but not regarded as anything more than a typical John Wayne potboiler, at least in America (the French, especially Creator/JeanLucGodard, really liked it). Even Ford fans like Lindsay Anderson were skeptical about it. It was only in the 70s that its reputation grew. It was a major cult film for the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood with Creator/PaulSchrader, Creator/JohnMilius, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/MartinScorsese spearheading the revival of its reputation and talking of its influence.

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* VindicatedByHistory: The film was a box-office hit in its day but not regarded as anything more than a typical John Wayne potboiler, at least in America (the French, especially Creator/JeanLucGodard, really liked it). Even Ford fans like Lindsay Anderson were skeptical about it. It was only in the 70s that its reputation grew. It was a major cult film for the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood with Creator/PaulSchrader, Creator/JohnMilius, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/MartinScorsese spearheading the revival of its reputation and talking of its influence.influence.
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[[folder:The British 1960s band]]
* CreatorBacklash: When the band was given "Sugar and Spice", drummer Chris Curtis allegedly hated the song, but eventually agreed to sing the countertenor backing vocables.
* PoorMansSubstitute: The band were often accused of being copies of Music/TheBeatles, although, due to the large amount of British boy bands that were part of the British Invasion, '''every''' band that was not The Beatles were accused of trying to be The Beatles.
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7th Feb '16 8:35:50 AM Freshmeat
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* AwardSnub: Received no nominations at the Oscars. Rather ironic, considering how the film is now viewed as a MagnumOpus for Creator/JohnFord, who was otherwise the most rewarded director in the Oscar's history. Of course this was a time when westerns were generally regarded as disposable entertainment and none of Ford's westerns won him an Oscar.

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* AwardSnub: Received no nominations at the Oscars. Rather ironic, considering how the film is now viewed as a MagnumOpus for masterpiece by Creator/JohnFord, who was otherwise the most rewarded director in the Oscar's history. Of course this was a time when westerns were generally regarded as disposable entertainment and none of Ford's westerns won him an Oscar.



* MagnumOpus: For both John Wayne and John Ford.
25th Dec '15 4:31:50 PM nombretomado
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* VindicatedByHistory: The film was a box-office hit in its day but not regarded as anything more than a typical John Wayne potboiler, at least in America (the French, especially Creator/JeanLucGodard, really liked it). Even Ford fans like Lindsay Anderson were skeptical about it. It was only in the 70s that its reputation grew. It was a major cult film for the NewHollywood with Creator/PaulSchrader, Creator/JohnMilius, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/MartinScorsese spearheading the revival of its reputation and talking of its influence.

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* VindicatedByHistory: The film was a box-office hit in its day but not regarded as anything more than a typical John Wayne potboiler, at least in America (the French, especially Creator/JeanLucGodard, really liked it). Even Ford fans like Lindsay Anderson were skeptical about it. It was only in the 70s that its reputation grew. It was a major cult film for the NewHollywood UsefulNotes/NewHollywood with Creator/PaulSchrader, Creator/JohnMilius, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/MartinScorsese spearheading the revival of its reputation and talking of its influence.
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