History YMMV / TheSearchers

14th Sep '17 2:09:12 PM youfeelingluckypunk27
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* OnceAcceptableTargets: Native American women, especially if they're not sexualized in any way. See Unfortunate Implications below.
14th Sep '17 1:19:02 PM youfeelingluckypunk27
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* UnfortunateImplications: The film is fair to Native Americans and women, but not Native American women. T'sala-ta-komal-ta-name, known better as "Look", is treated by the film is a joke, compared to Scar, Laurie and Debbie, likely because she is both female and a minority, and especially because she is shown as sexually undesirable to a man, either white or 7/8 white.

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* UnfortunateImplications: The film is fair to Native Americans and women, but not Native American women. T'sala-ta-komal-ta-name, known better as "Look", is treated by the film is a joke, compared to Scar, Laurie and Debbie, likely because she is both female and a minority, and especially because she does not fit the strict beauty standards of women that are set by men, and is shown as sexually undesirable to a man, either white or 7/8 white.
14th Sep '17 1:17:37 PM youfeelingluckypunk27
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* UnfortunateImplications: The film is fair to Native Americans and women, but not Native American women. T'sala-ta-komal-ta-name, known better as "Look", is treated by the film is a joke, compared to Scar, Laurie and Debbie, likely because she is both female and a minority.

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* UnfortunateImplications: The film is fair to Native Americans and women, but not Native American women. T'sala-ta-komal-ta-name, known better as "Look", is treated by the film is a joke, compared to Scar, Laurie and Debbie, likely because she is both female and a minority.minority, and especially because she is shown as sexually undesirable to a man, either white or 7/8 white.
14th Sep '17 11:52:50 AM youfeelingluckypunk27
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* ValuesDissonance: The film is fair to Native Americans and women, but not Native American women. T'sala-ta-komal-ta-name, known better as "Look", is treated by the film is a joke, compared to Scar, Laurie and Debbie.

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* ValuesDissonance: UnfortunateImplications: The film is fair to Native Americans and women, but not Native American women. T'sala-ta-komal-ta-name, known better as "Look", is treated by the film is a joke, compared to Scar, Laurie and Debbie.Debbie, likely because she is both female and a minority.
14th Sep '17 1:06:00 AM youfeelingluckypunk27
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* ValuesDissonance: The film is fair to Native Americans and women, but not Native American women. T'sala-ta-komal-ta-name, known better as "Look", is treated by the film is a joke, compared to Scar, Laurie and Debbie.
14th Sep '17 12:57:33 AM youfeelingluckypunk27
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Look (Martin's homely Comanche trophy wife) is cringe-inducing in her ModernMinstrelsy....but you ''will'' feel bad when you see her corpse after she's massacred during a cavalry raid.

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* AlasPoorScrappy: Look T'sala-ta-komal-ta-name/"Look" (Martin's homely Comanche trophy wife) is cringe-inducing in her ModernMinstrelsy....but you ''will'' feel bad when you see her corpse after she's massacred during a cavalry raid.
18th May '17 2:27:17 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* AwardSnub: Received no nominations at the Oscars. Rather ironic, considering how the film is now viewed as a masterpiece by Creator/JohnFord, who was otherwise the most rewarded director in the Oscar's history. Of course this was a time when westerns were generally regarded as disposable entertainment and none of Ford's westerns won him an Oscar.

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* AwardSnub: Received no nominations at the Oscars.[[UsefulNotes/AcademyAward Oscars]]. Rather ironic, considering how the film is now viewed as a masterpiece by Creator/JohnFord, who was otherwise the most rewarded director in the Oscar's history. Of course this was a time when westerns were generally regarded as disposable entertainment and none of Ford's westerns won him an Oscar.



* VindicatedByHistory: The film was a box-office hit in its day but not regarded as anything more than a typical John Wayne potboiler, at least in America (the French, especially Creator/JeanLucGodard, really liked it). Even Ford fans like Lindsay Anderson were skeptical about it. It was only in the 70s that its reputation grew. It was a major cult film for the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood with Creator/PaulSchrader, Creator/JohnMilius, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/MartinScorsese spearheading the revival of its reputation and talking of its influence.

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* VindicatedByHistory: The film was a box-office hit in its day but not regarded as anything more than a typical John Wayne potboiler, at least in America (the French, especially Creator/JeanLucGodard, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff really liked it).it]]). Even Ford fans like Lindsay Anderson were skeptical about it. It was only in the 70s that its reputation grew. It was a major cult film for the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood with Creator/PaulSchrader, Creator/JohnMilius, Creator/GeorgeLucas and Creator/MartinScorsese spearheading the revival of its reputation and talking of its influence.
22nd Apr '17 2:51:56 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* HarsherInHindsight[=/=]ValuesDissonance: While the racism is ''meant'' to make the viewer uncomfortable, modern viewers are still going to be put off far more than the 1950s audience.

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* HarsherInHindsight[=/=]ValuesDissonance: FairForItsDay: While the racism is ''meant'' to make the viewer uncomfortable, modern viewers are still going to be put off far more than the 1950s audience.



** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It's a Western about racism; so what's the big deal? Well, the "big deal" is that it was ''the'' TropeBreaker for the older, shiny-white-good-guys version of TheWestern, and was so powerful that virtually every Western, and a huge number of films in general that followed, felt compelled either try to respond to it in ''some'' way to avoid being tacky, or to at least homage and acknowledge it. Also, it must be noted that in the classic era, there were very few movies that actually deal with settler/native relations with the same kind of honesty and lack of BlackAndWhiteMorality, as noted by author Sherman Alexie.

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** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It's a Western about racism; so what's the big deal? Well, the "big deal" is that it was ''the'' TropeBreaker for the older, shiny-white-good-guys version of TheWestern, and was so powerful that virtually every Western, and a huge number of films in general that followed, felt compelled either try to respond to it in ''some'' way to avoid being tacky, or to at least homage and acknowledge it. Also, it must be noted that in the classic era, [[FairForItsDay there were very few movies that actually deal with settler/native relations with the same kind of honesty honesty]] and lack of BlackAndWhiteMorality, as noted by author Sherman Alexie.
22nd Apr '17 2:50:01 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* EvilIsCool: The Comanches in the film (as played by the Navajo) and Scar are pretty awesome and cool foes. John Milius (screenwriter of Film/ApocalypseNow and director of Film/ConanTheBarbarian1982) admitted on seeing the film that he totally [[RootingForTheEmpire rooted for the Comanches]], saying they were badass awesome warriors ("These are not jackals but Lions!"). He also admits "I wanted to be Scar".

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* EvilIsCool: The Comanches in the film (as played by the Navajo) and Scar are pretty awesome and cool foes. John Milius (screenwriter of Film/ApocalypseNow and director of Film/ConanTheBarbarian1982) [[Film/ConanTheBarbarian1982 Conan The Barbarian]]) admitted on seeing the film that he totally [[RootingForTheEmpire rooted for the Comanches]], saying they were badass awesome warriors ("These are not jackals but Lions!"). He also admits "I wanted to be Scar".
22nd Apr '17 2:49:39 PM TalonsofIceandFire
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* EvilIsCool: The Comanches in the film (as played by the Navajo) and Scar are pretty awesome and cool foes. John Milius (screenwriter of Film/ApocalypseNow and director of Film/ConanTheBarbarian) admitted on seeing the film that he totally [[RootingForTheEmpire rooted for the Comanches]], saying they were badass awesome warriors ("These are not jackals but Lions!"). He also admits "I wanted to be Scar".

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* EvilIsCool: The Comanches in the film (as played by the Navajo) and Scar are pretty awesome and cool foes. John Milius (screenwriter of Film/ApocalypseNow and director of Film/ConanTheBarbarian) Film/ConanTheBarbarian1982) admitted on seeing the film that he totally [[RootingForTheEmpire rooted for the Comanches]], saying they were badass awesome warriors ("These are not jackals but Lions!"). He also admits "I wanted to be Scar".
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