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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZzLzeoju-c "Nobody likes me anymore! IT'S THESE STUPID FEET!"]] - But that line is just the cake; the actual icing is Oscar's reaction when he sees [=LaCienega's=] big, long, feet, which everyone makes fun of her for when they're discovered during swimming class.



** Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] are this, due to how they treat Penny. Although [=LaCienega=] became a LovableAlphaBitch, she still slips back to being a {{jerkass}} and constantly bullies and belittles Penny and other characters. Dijoney meanwhile is constantly disloyal and backstabs Penny, and cannot keep a secret. Ironically, TheMovie has Penny frequently refer to Zoey as her best friend...guess she dumped Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] during the TimeSkip.

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** Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] are this, due to how they treat Penny. Although [=LaCienega=] became a LovableAlphaBitch, she still slips back to being a a
{{jerkass}} and constantly bullies and belittles Penny and other characters. Dijoney meanwhile is constantly disloyal and backstabs Penny, and cannot keep a secret. Ironically, TheMovie has Penny frequently refer to Zoey as her best friend...guess she dumped Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] during the TimeSkip.
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** The episode "Don't Leave Home Without It" has Steve Harvey as Penny's talking credit card. In June 2022, Steve Harvey hosted an episode of ''Celebrity Family Feud'' that pitted select members of the cast (Kyla Pratt herself included) against Salt-N-Pepa.
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* FridgeLogic: Why did Zoey keep her outfit in "Hip-Hop Helicopter" despite her mom grounding her (and the fact that Zoey’s mom was the one who designed the revealing outfits that the girls wore on the show)? It was because Zoey may not have been grounded for wearing the outfit. She was probably grounded because she peer pressured Penny into disobeying her parents.

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* FridgeLogic: Why did Zoey keep her outfit in "Hip-Hop Helicopter" despite her mom grounding her (and the fact that Zoey’s mom aunt was the one who designed the revealing outfits that the girls wore on the show)? It was because Zoey may not have been grounded for wearing the outfit. She was probably grounded because she peer pressured Penny into disobeying her parents.
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* FridgeLogic: Why did Zoey keep her outfit in "Hip-Hop Helicopter" despite her mom grounding her (and the fact that Zoey’s mom was the one who designed the revealing outfits that the girls wore on the show)? It was because Zoey may not have been grounded for wearing the outfit. She was probably grounded because she peer pressured Penny into disobeying her parents.

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** Many believe [=LaCieniga's=] treatment of Penny is out of jealousy and wanting to be like her, in spite of having a more luxurious lifestyle.



* BrokenBase: While [=LaCienega=] and Dijonay are pretty universally disliked, there is a rift in the fandom of whereas their dynamic with Penny is genuinely entertaining or if its just toxic and they should be excommunicated from the show.

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* BrokenBase: While [=LaCienega=] and Dijonay are pretty universally disliked, there is a rift in the fandom of whereas their dynamic with Penny is genuinely entertaining or if its just toxic and they should be excommunicated from the show. There’s also some debate over who is the worst, as while [=LaCieniga=] backstabs Penny a lot similarly to [=DiJonay=] and is outwardly nasty towards, she at least [[AtLeastIAdmitIt is upfront with the fact]] she doesn’t like her.



** Penny's friends in "A Star Is Scorned". To elaborate, Penny decides to go solo and dump her friends after LPDZ becomes famous. While this episode was obviously trying to give an aesop about how it's not nice to dump your friends for fame, fans of the show found it hard to sympathize with Penny's friends [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder due to how fake they can be towards her]] as Suga Mama points out. Dijonay even admits at the end that if it was her she wouldn’t have given up her fame and money.

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** Penny's friends in "A Star Is Scorned". To elaborate, Penny decides to go solo and dump her friends after LPDZ becomes famous.famous, until she realizes she misses her old life and quits. While this episode was obviously trying to give an aesop about how it's not nice to dump your friends for fame, fans of the show found it hard to sympathize with Penny's friends [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder due to how fake they can be towards her]] as Suga Mama points out. Dijonay even admits at the end that if it was her she wouldn’t have given up her fame and money.



** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty and desirable compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump and a gossipy backstabber. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". The Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. Fans hope that these aspects will be {{retool}}ed for the revival. While everything else is the same, the Chang Triplets have so far not appeared in ''Louder and Prouder''.

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** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty and desirable compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump and a gossipy backstabber.backstabber, who has nine rowdy younger siblings. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". The Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. Fans hope that these aspects will be {{retool}}ed for the revival. While everything else is the same, the Chang Triplets have so far not appeared in ''Louder and Prouder''.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Oscar's treatment of Suga Mama. While it's made clear that they do love each other and most of her reprisals are triggered by Oscar's refusal to watch his mouth, it's not hard to see why he snarks at her like he does. She's openly treated him like TheUnfavorite since childhood (he once boredly corrected her that he was absent from several family outings when she brings them up), insults him nonstop, responds to ''his'' insults with excessive physical violence, shows a sense of entitlement about being allowed over (coming over uninvited, helping herself to food, complaining about getting kicked out of the guest room despite having her own house) and is a {{Hypocrite}} in that she was TheUnfavorite to her own parents but treats Oscar the same way. Oscar is astounded in one episode to find out that his mother even likes him.

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Oscar's treatment of Suga Mama. While it's made clear that they do love each other and most of her reprisals are triggered by Oscar's refusal to watch his mouth, it's not hard to see why he snarks at her like he does. She's openly treated him like TheUnfavorite since childhood (he once boredly corrected her that he was absent from several family outings when she brings them up), insults him nonstop, responds to ''his'' insults with excessive physical violence, shows a sense of entitlement about being allowed over (coming over uninvited, helping herself to food, complaining about getting kicked out of the guest room despite having her own house) and is a {{Hypocrite}} in that she was TheUnfavorite to her own parents but treats Oscar the same way. Oscar is astounded in one episode to find out that his mother even likes him.
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** The episode "Don't Leave Home Without It" has Steve Harvey as Penny's talking credit card. In June 2022, Steve Harvey hosted an episode of ''Celebrity Family Feud'' that pitted select members of the cast (Kyla Pratt herself included) against Salt-N-Pepa.
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** Zoey and Sticky. Depending on who you ask, they are Penny's only true friends or they are as fake as Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] (a good example would be that one episode where Cece and Bebe, Penny's siblings, grew up into teens and Zoey and Sticky, as well as Dijonay and [=LaCienega=], abandoned her to hang out with them). However, they aren't as hated, especially Zoey due to her [[TheWoobie Woobie]] status.

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** Zoey and Sticky. Depending on who you ask, they are Penny's only true friends or they are as fake as Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] (a good example would be that one episode where Cece and Bebe, Penny's siblings, grew up into teens and Zoey and Sticky, as well as Dijonay and [=LaCienega=], abandoned her to hang out with them).them, and even tease her about it). However, they aren't as hated, especially Zoey due to her [[TheWoobie Woobie]] status.
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** Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] are this, due to how they treat Penny. Although [=LaCienega=] became a LovableAlphaBitch, she still slips back to being a {{jerkass}} and constantly bullies and belittles Penny and other characters. Dijoney meanwhile is constantly disloyal and backstabs Penny, and cannot keep a secret. She hasn’t changed in the reboot although to be fair she has stood up for Penny on a few occasions.Ironically, TheMovie has Penny frequently refer to Zoey as her best friend...guess she dumped Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] during the TimeSkip.

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** Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] are this, due to how they treat Penny. Although [=LaCienega=] became a LovableAlphaBitch, she still slips back to being a {{jerkass}} and constantly bullies and belittles Penny and other characters. Dijoney meanwhile is constantly disloyal and backstabs Penny, and cannot keep a secret. She hasn’t changed in the reboot although to be fair she has stood up for Penny on a few occasions.Ironically, TheMovie has Penny frequently refer to Zoey as her best friend...guess she dumped Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] during the TimeSkip.
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** The buff, recurring [[TheAhnold Ahnold]], who has various roles, and is considered funny due to his accent and Terminator references.

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** Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] are this, due to how they treat Penny. Although [=LaCienega=] became a LovableAlphaBitch, she still slips back to being a {{jerkass}} and constantly bullies and belittles Penny and other characters. Dijoney meanwhile is constantly disloyal and backstabs Penny, and cannot keep a secret. Ironically, TheMovie has Penny frequently refer to Zoey as her best friend...guess she dumped Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] during the TimeSkip.

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** Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] are this, due to how they treat Penny. Although [=LaCienega=] became a LovableAlphaBitch, she still slips back to being a {{jerkass}} and constantly bullies and belittles Penny and other characters. Dijoney meanwhile is constantly disloyal and backstabs Penny, and cannot keep a secret. She hasn’t changed in the reboot although to be fair she has stood up for Penny on a few occasions.Ironically, TheMovie has Penny frequently refer to Zoey as her best friend...guess she dumped Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] during the TimeSkip.


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** "It’s All About Me"'s instrumental sounds very similar to Music/BritneySpears's "Oops!…I Did It Again".
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* AccidentalAesop: Penny and Dijonay's friendship shows that sometimes, you're only friends with someone because of inertia, proximity, or convenience. The first episode establishes that Dijonay and Penny were friends for years beforehand, despite Suga Mama warning Penny about Dijonay being a bad influence.

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* AccidentalAesop: Penny and Dijonay's friendship shows that sometimes, you're only friends with someone because of inertia, proximity, or convenience. The first episode establishes that Dijonay and Penny were friends for years beforehand, despite Suga Mama warning Penny about Dijonay being a bad influence. The same somewhat goes for [=LaCieniga=], as despite the fact they can’t stand each other, she’s still a part of Penny’s friend group, due in part to being friends with Dijoney when they were little and because Penny and [=LaCieniga's=] parents are best friends, and the former was essentially forced to be nice to her.



** Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] are this, due to how they treat Penny. Although [=LaCienega=] became a LovableAlphaBitch, she still slips back to being a {{jerkass}} and constantly bullies and belittles Penny and other characters. Ironically, TheMovie has Penny frequently refer to Zoey as her best friend...guess she dumped Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] during the TimeSkip.

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** Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] are this, due to how they treat Penny. Although [=LaCienega=] became a LovableAlphaBitch, she still slips back to being a {{jerkass}} and constantly bullies and belittles Penny and other characters. Dijoney meanwhile is constantly disloyal and backstabs Penny, and cannot keep a secret. Ironically, TheMovie has Penny frequently refer to Zoey as her best friend...guess she dumped Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] during the TimeSkip.



** Penny's friends in "A Star Is Scorned". To elaborate, Penny decides to go solo and dump her friends after LPDZ becomes famous. While this episode was obviously trying to give an aesop about how it's not nice to dump your friends for fame, fans of the show found it hard to sympathize with Penny's friends [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder due to how fake they can be towards her]] as Suga Mama points out.

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** Penny's friends in "A Star Is Scorned". To elaborate, Penny decides to go solo and dump her friends after LPDZ becomes famous. While this episode was obviously trying to give an aesop about how it's not nice to dump your friends for fame, fans of the show found it hard to sympathize with Penny's friends [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder due to how fake they can be towards her]] as Suga Mama points out. Dijonay even admits at the end that if it was her she wouldn’t have given up her fame and money.
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* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: As far as antagonists go, the Gross Sisters are the closest this show has to villains, [[LoveToHate yet they are still enjoyable to watch due to Nubia's sass]] and had even tried to help Penny out whenever she was in a difficult situation at times (such as trying to get back at [=LaCienega=] in the first episode). Compare that to what Dijonay, Penny's own friend, has done to Penny many times: stab her in the back along with the rest of Penny's friends whenever Penny was in a pickle. Some fans have even argued that the Gross Sisters treated Penny more like friends than the latter's actual friends.

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* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: As far as antagonists go, the Gross Sisters are the closest this show has to villains, [[LoveToHate yet they are still enjoyable to watch due to Nubia's sass]] and had even tried to help Penny out whenever she was in a difficult situation at times (such as trying to get back at [=LaCienega=] in the first episode). Compare that to what Dijonay, Penny's own friend, has done to Penny many times: stab her in the back along with the rest of Penny's friends whenever Penny was in a pickle. Some fans have even argued that the Gross Sisters treated Penny more like friends a friend than the latter's actual friends.
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* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: As far as antagonists go, the Gross Sisters are the closest this show has to villains, [[LoveToHate yet they are still enjoyable to watch due to Nubia's sass]] and had even tried to help Penny out whenever she was in a difficult situation at times (such as trying to get back at [=LaCienega=] in the first episode). Compared that to what Dijonay, Penny's own friend, has done to Penny many times: stab her in the back along with the rest of Penny's friends whenever Penny was in a pickle. Some fans have even argued that the Gross Sisters treated Penny more like friends than the latter's actual friends.

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* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: As far as antagonists go, the Gross Sisters are the closest this show has to villains, [[LoveToHate yet they are still enjoyable to watch due to Nubia's sass]] and had even tried to help Penny out whenever she was in a difficult situation at times (such as trying to get back at [=LaCienega=] in the first episode). Compared Compare that to what Dijonay, Penny's own friend, has done to Penny many times: stab her in the back along with the rest of Penny's friends whenever Penny was in a pickle. Some fans have even argued that the Gross Sisters treated Penny more like friends than the latter's actual friends.
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* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: As far as antagonists go, the Gross Sisters are the closest this show has to villains, [[LoveToHate yet they are still enjoyable to watch due to Nubia's sass]] and had even tried to help Penny out whenever she was in a difficult situation at times (such as trying to get back at [=LaCienega=] in the first episode). Compared that to what Dijonay, Penny's own friend, has done to Penny many times: stab her in the back along with the rest of Penny's friends whenever Penny was in a pickle. Some fans have even argued that the Gross Sisters treated Penny more like friends than the latter's actual friends.
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* MostWonderfulSound: Any time Papi Boulevardez laughs.

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* MostWonderfulSound: SugarWiki/MostWonderfulSound: Any time Papi Boulevardez laughs.



** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty and desirable compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump and a gossipy backstabber. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". The Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. Fans hope that these aspects will be {{retool}}ed for the revival.

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** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty and desirable compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump and a gossipy backstabber. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". The Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. Fans hope that these aspects will be {{retool}}ed for the revival. While everything else is the same, the Chang Triplets have so far not appeared in ''Louder and Prouder''.
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** Penny and Nubia.
** There's also something about Olei's affections towards Penny.
** In "Tiger Whisperer", Wizard Kelly ''slaps Oscar's butt'' and tells him "good job!"

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** Bobby Proud appeared in a handful of episodes but was popular to have his own music video.

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** Bobby Proud appeared in a handful of episodes but was popular to have his own music video. That being said, the revival decided to treat Bobby as part of the main family.


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* JustHereForGodzilla: Due to the amount of celebrities who have guest starred in the series, a lot of people tune in for them.
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** Peabo for his cute design, being one of the few characters that isn't a {{Jerkass}} to Oscar(and the only one who likes Proud Snax), and being voiced by ''Creator/CreeSummer''.
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** [=LaCienega=] in "Love Thy Neighbor". While it was cruel for the other kids and teacher to laugh at her big feet during the swim test scene, [=LaCienega=] is too much of a jerkass to be seen as sympathetic since she's always cruel to others and she continued to whine and cry about it long after everyone else moved on, making her come across as {{wangst}}y. Not to mention that had it been anyone else being bullied for a similar reason, she more than likely would've joined in.

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** [=LaCienega=] in "Love Thy Neighbor". While it was cruel for the other kids and teacher to laugh at her big feet during the swim test scene, [=LaCienega=] is too much of a jerkass to be seen as sympathetic since she's always cruel to others and she continued to whine and cry about it long after everyone else moved on, making her come across as {{wangst}}y. Not to mention that had Had it been anyone else being bullied for a similar reason, she more than likely would've joined in.
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** [=LaCienega=] in "Love Thy Neighbor". While it was cruel for the other kids and teacher to laugh at her during the swim test scene, [=LaCienega=] is too much of a jerkass to be seen as sympathetic since she's always cruel to others. It also helps that had it been anyone else being bullied, she more than likely would've joined in.

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** [=LaCienega=] in "Love Thy Neighbor". While it was cruel for the other kids and teacher to laugh at her big feet during the swim test scene, [=LaCienega=] is too much of a jerkass to be seen as sympathetic since she's always cruel to others. It also helps others and she continued to whine and cry about it long after everyone else moved on, making her come across as {{wangst}}y. Not to mention that had it been anyone else being bullied, bullied for a similar reason, she more than likely would've joined in.
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** In "The Camp, The Counselor, The Mole, And The Rock", Penny imagines kissing Tory, when in reality she puckering her lips at Dijonay's face.

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Martial arts are universal. I can't see anyone vouching for them so I figured I take them off, but add them back if they do genuinely have a large fanbase.


%%** Dr. Carver's VillainSong in the movie. [[https://youtu.be/1aQmd8E7BX8 Shown here.]]

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%%** ** Dr. Carver's at once bombastic and hilarious VillainSong in the movie. [[https://youtu.be/1aQmd8E7BX8 Shown here.]]



%%* CriticalResearchFailure: In "Crouching Trudy, Hidden Penny", The Chang Triplets' uncle, Parker Lee, is a Sifu who teaches Karate. The martial arts in question is a Japanese fighting style, not Chinese. Also, Sifu is a ''Chinese'' term for teacher whereas the correct term is ''Sensei''.



%%** Joseph, Margaret and Stephanie from the [[ChristmasEpisode Kwanzaa episode]], "Seven Days of Kwanzaa".



%%** [=LaCienega=] in "Love Thy Neighbor".
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* BrokenBase: While [=LaCienega=] and Dijonay are pretty universally disliked, there is a rift in the fandom of whereas their dynamic with Penny is genuinely entertaining or if its just toxic and they should be excommunicated from the show.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Most fans ignore ''Twins To Tweens'' because of how cruel it is to Penny. Those who don't downright hate it, usually pretend that Al Roker also put a spell on Penny's family and friends to help explain their behavior.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Most fans ignore ''Twins To Tweens'' because of how cruel it is to Penny. Those who don't downright hate it, the episode, usually pretend that Al Roker also put a spell on Penny's family and friends to help explain their behavior.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Most fans ignore ''Twins To Tweens'' because of how cruel it is to Penny. Those who don't downright hate it, usually pretend that Al Roker also put a spell on Penny's family and friends to help explain their behavior.
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** The Talking Red Nosed Baby is also hated. He constantly tortures Oscar for no reason but for his own amusement and has never gotten any punishment for it. Unlike other characters that tormented Oscar like Wizard Kelly and Dr. Payne where they're considered hilariously entertaining to make up for it (and in Dr. Payne's case, Oscar usually brings it on himself), the Talking Baby however has no such qualities to redeem himself with.

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** The Talking Red Nosed Baby is also hated. He constantly tortures Oscar for no reason but for his own amusement and has never gotten any punishment for it. Unlike other characters that tormented Oscar like Wizard Kelly and Dr. Payne where they're considered hilariously entertaining to make up for it (and in Dr. Payne's case, Oscar usually brings provokes him, which makes it on himself), harder to root for Oscar in these scenarios), the Talking Baby however has no such qualities to redeem himself with.

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** It’s nearly impossible to discuss the series without bringing up Suga Mama. Payton’s excellent performance, Suga Mama’s badass credentials and loving heart endeared her to viewers to the point she became one of, if not the most beloved characters of the series.
** Her eldest son Bobby Proud appeared in a handful of episodes but was popular to have his own music video.

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** It’s nearly impossible to discuss the series without bringing up Suga Mama. Payton’s excellent performance, Suga Mama’s badass credentials and loving heart endeared her to viewers to the point she became one of, if not the most beloved characters of the series.
** Her eldest son
Bobby Proud appeared in a handful of episodes but was popular to have his own music video.



*** In the same episode, Brian Dunkleman guest stars as the host of the contest to play up his one season role as the co-host of American Idol. During the episode, Brian spills to Penny that the entire contest is rigged and completely phony. Years later, Brian would reveal this was the exact reason he left American Idol in the first place. He felt that the contest was unfair to the competitors, that it was unnecessarily cruel in making fun of people who just couldn't sign, and that the jokes written for him and co-host Ryan Seacrest were simply unfunny and lame.

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*** In the same episode, Brian Dunkleman guest stars as the host of the contest to play up his one season role as the co-host of American Idol. During the episode, Brian spills to Penny that the entire contest is rigged and completely phony. Years later, Brian would reveal this was the exact reason he left American Idol in the first place. He felt that the contest was unfair to the competitors, that it was unnecessarily cruel in making fun of people who just couldn't sign, sing, and that the jokes written for him and co-host Ryan Seacrest were simply unfunny and lame.
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*** In the same episode, Brian Dunkleman guest stars as the host of the contest to play up his one season role as the co-host of American Idol. During the episode, Brian spills to Penny that the entire contest is rigged and completely phony. Years later, Brian would reveal this was the exact reason he left American Idol in the first place. He felt that the contest was unfair to the competitors, that it was unnecessarily cruel in making fun of people who just couldn't sign, and that the jokes written for him and co-host Ryan Seacrest were simply unfunny and lame.
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** Oscar actually crosses this when he tries to destroy to the evidence proving that Agatha Ordinario won the Tween Idol contest, not [=LaCienega=], all just to ensure he could use [=LaCienega=] for the sake of money.

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