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** The last part of the TerribleIntervieweesMontage in "There's Something About Rene" had a woman who seemed to k ow what she was doing and talked about how much she loved babysitting, only to say "And I love YOU!" and then [[ExorcistHead turn her head around a lot]] while [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} generally acting like a maniac]], followed by Trudy saying "Next!" This is never brought up by anyone ever again.

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** The last part of the TerribleIntervieweesMontage in "There's Something About Rene" had a woman who seemed to k ow know what she was doing and talked about how much she loved babysitting, only to say "And I love YOU!" and then [[ExorcistHead turn her head around a lot]] while [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} generally acting like a maniac]], followed by Trudy saying "Next!" This is never brought up by anyone ever again.again.
** "Tiger Whisperer" has a scene where Penny and Trudy are in a car and come across Sunset and LaCienega, since it is bring-your-daughter-to-work day for Sunset. Seems normal enough... until LaCienega randomly decides to ARREST Penny [[ItAmusedMe for the fun of it]] only to be stopped by Sunset. LaCi being mean to Penny [[SitcomArchNemesis is nothing new]], but this scene comes off as VERY bizarre because of how [[OutOfCharacterMoment randomly aggressive]] LaCienega (who's normally a verbal bully who just insults Penny) was being. Penny [[AngstWhatAngst never says anything about what just happened there]], nor is there any indication that LaCienega [[KarmaHoudini got punished for it]] other than Sunset firmly telling her to stop.
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** The last part of the TerribleIntervieweesMontage in "There's Something About Renee" had a woman who seemed to k ow what she was doing and talked about how much she loved babysitting, only to say "And I love YOU!" and then [[ExorcistHead turn her head around a lot]] while [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} generally acting like a maniac]], followed by Trudy saying "Next!" This is never brought up by anyone ever again.

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** The last part of the TerribleIntervieweesMontage in "There's Something About Renee" Rene" had a woman who seemed to k ow what she was doing and talked about how much she loved babysitting, only to say "And I love YOU!" and then [[ExorcistHead turn her head around a lot]] while [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} generally acting like a maniac]], followed by Trudy saying "Next!" This is never brought up by anyone ever again.



** Trudy has her moments, particularly in "There's Something About Renee" when she starts to feel useless or in "Romeo Must Wed" when her sister keeps upstaging her and Penny rejects the dress she made for her.

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** Trudy has her moments, particularly in "There's Something About Renee" Rene" when she starts to feel useless or in "Romeo Must Wed" when her sister keeps upstaging her and Penny rejects the dress she made for her.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Al Roker melting ala [[Film/TheWizardofOz The Wicked Witch of the West]] in Tween Town, was a bit out of left field to say the least.

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Al Roker melting ala [[Film/TheWizardofOz The Wicked Witch of the West]] in Tween Town, "Tween Town" was a bit out of left field to say the least.least.
** The last part of the TerribleIntervieweesMontage in "There's Something About Renee" had a woman who seemed to k ow what she was doing and talked about how much she loved babysitting, only to say "And I love YOU!" and then [[ExorcistHead turn her head around a lot]] while [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} generally acting like a maniac]], followed by Trudy saying "Next!" This is never brought up by anyone ever again.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Most fans ignore ''Twins To Tweens'' because of how cruel it is to Penny. Those who don't downright hate the episode, usually pretend that Al Roker also put a spell on Penny's family and friends to help explain their behavior.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Most fans ignore ''Twins To Tweens'' because of how cruel it is to Penny. Those who don't downright hate the episode, usually pretend that Al Roker also put a spell on Penny's family and friends to help explain their behavior.behavior, even though Cece tells Penny that the reason nobody likes her anymore is because she is the oldest.
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*** Viewers were also supposed to sympathize with Suga Mama in the episode "Behind the Family Lines" when Trudy’s family members consistently looked down on her (along with Oscar). However, since Suga Mama treats Oscar the exact same way, it backfired and Trudy’s family’s treatment of Suga Mama felt like LaserGuidedKarma.
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** Suga Mama is a base breaking character. Some fans find her hilarious while loving the fact that she is a good grandmother to her three children. Other fans, however, find her to be too abusive and mean (towards her son Oscar) to be likable as a character.

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** Suga Mama is a base breaking character. Some fans find her hilarious while loving the fact that she is a good grandmother to her three children.grandchildren. Other fans, however, find her to be too abusive and mean (towards her son Oscar) to be likable as a character.
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** Suga Mama is a base breaking character. Some fans find her hilarious while loving the fact that she is a good grandmother to her three children. Other fans, however, find her to be too abusive and mean (towards her son Oscar) to be likable as a character.
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** Penny in general when it comes to her family members. She would forcefully recant her statement of how she can't stand her family members (Oscar, Trudy and Suga Mama) when she's overheard in certain scenes due to how irritated she gets with their attitudes. With the way Oscar and Trudy act (the former with his ManChild ways and the latter with her self-centered and domineering attitude), it's hard to blame Penny for her feelings towards them.
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** Penny's friends in "A Star Is Scorned". To elaborate, Penny decides to go solo and dump her friends after LPDZ becomes famous, until she realizes she misses her old life and quits. While this episode was obviously trying to give an aesop about how it's not nice to dump your friends for fame, fans of the show found it hard to sympathize with Penny's friends [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder due to how fake they can be towards her]] as Suga Mama points out. Dijonay even admits at the end that if it was her she wouldn’t have given up her fame and money.

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** Penny's friends in "A Star Is Scorned". To elaborate, In the episode, Penny decides to go solo and dump her friends after LPDZ becomes famous, until she realizes she misses her old life and quits. While this episode was obviously trying to give an aesop about how it's not nice to dump your friends for fame, fans of the show found it hard to sympathize with Penny's friends [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder due to how fake they can be towards her]] as Suga Mama points out. It also helps that Dijonay even admits at the end that if it was her she wouldn’t have given up her fame and money.
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** [=LaCienega=] in "Love Thy Neighbor". While it was cruel for the other kids and teacher to laugh at her big feet during the swim test scene, [=LaCienega=] is too much of a jerkass to be seen as sympathetic since she's always cruel to others and she continued to whine and cry about it long after everyone else moved on, making her come across as {{wangst}}y. Had it been anyone else being bullied for a similar reason, she more than likely would've joined in.

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** [=LaCienega=] in "Love Thy Neighbor". While it was cruel for the other kids and teacher to laugh at her big feet during the swim test scene, [=LaCienega=] is too much of a jerkass to be seen as sympathetic since she's always cruel to others and (and she continued to whine and cry about it long after everyone else moved on, making her come across as {{wangst}}y.{{wangst}}y). Had it been anyone else being bullied for a similar reason, she more than likely would've joined in.
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** When Oscar calls Suga Mama out in "Penny Potter" for her behaviour towards him is intended to be a KickTheDog moment. Instead, it comes off as ''incredibly'' satisfying since Oscar [[TheDogBitesBack finally stood up to his abusive mother]].

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** When Oscar calls Suga Mama out in "Penny Potter" for her behaviour towards him is it's intended to be a KickTheDog moment. Instead, it comes off as ''incredibly'' satisfying since Oscar [[TheDogBitesBack finally stood up to his abusive mother]].
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** Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] are this, due to how they treat Penny. Although [=LaCienega=] became a LovableAlphaBitch, she still slips back to being a {{jerkass}} and constantly bullies and belittles Penny and other characters. Dijoney meanwhile is constantly disloyal and backstabs Penny, and cannot keep a secret. Ironically, TheMovie has Penny frequently refer to Zoey as her best friend...guess she dumped Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] during the TimeSkip.

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** Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] are this, due to how they treat Penny. Although [=LaCienega=] became a LovableAlphaBitch, she still slips back to being a {{jerkass}} and constantly bullies and belittles Penny and other characters. Dijoney meanwhile is constantly disloyal and backstabs Penny, and cannot keep a secret. Ironically, TheMovie has Penny This is so egregious that one of the most remembered aspects of the show/one that’s brought up frequently refer to Zoey as her best friend...guess she dumped Dijonay is how terrible Penny's friends are (Zoey and [=LaCienega=] during the TimeSkip.Sticky are base breaking in terms of how loyal they really are considering they, while nicer, also frequently ditch Penny).


* AcceptableTargets:
** As shown in "Hooray for Iesha", Bruce W. Smith wasn't too fond of ''Series/{{Moesha}}'' or ''Series/TheParkers''.
** Wizard Kelly, who is a TakeThat to athletes who become entrepreneurs to exploit their fame to get their names on everything.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: No, Season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/TheProudFamilyLouderAndProuder'' wasn't the first time ''The Proud Family'' has tackled heavy subjects relating to racism. "I Had a Dream" did that 21 years before by having Penny be whisked back in time to 1955 and join the then-nascent Civil Rights Movement.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: No, contrary to what its detractors believe, Season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/TheProudFamilyLouderAndProuder'' wasn't the first time ''The Proud Family'' has tackled heavy subjects relating to racism. "I Had a Dream" did that 21 years before by having Penny be whisked back in time to 1955 and join the then-nascent Civil Rights Movement.
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*OlderThanTheyThink: No, Season 2 of ''WesternAnimation/TheProudFamilyLouderAndProuder'' wasn't the first time ''The Proud Family'' has tackled heavy subjects relating to racism. "I Had a Dream" did that 21 years before by having Penny be whisked back in time to 1955 and join the then-nascent Civil Rights Movement.
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--->'''Dr. Payne''': QUIET FOOL! RESPECT YOUR SWEET LITTLE SUGA MAMA!
--->'''Suga Mama''': Thank you, Dr. Payne.
--->'''Dr. Payne''': Anything for you, Sugar Bear.

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--->'''Dr. Payne''': QUIET --->"QUIET FOOL! RESPECT YOUR SWEET LITTLE SUGA MAMA!
--->'''Suga Mama''': Thank
MAMA!"
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you, Dr. Payne.
--->'''Dr. Payne''': Anything
Payne."
----->"Anything
for you, Sugar Bear."
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** Expect this exchange to happen as soon as someone quotes Dr. Payne:
--->'''Dr. Payne''': QUIET FOOL! RESPECT YOUR SWEET LITTLE SUGA MAMA!
--->'''Suga Mama''': Thank you, Dr. Payne.
--->'''Dr. Payne''': Anything for you, Sugar Bear.
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For YMMV tropes relating to ''WesternAnimation/TheProudFamilyLouderAndProuder'', click [[YMMV/TheProudFamilyLouderAndProuder here]].
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** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty and desirable compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump and a gossipy backstabber, who has nine rowdy younger siblings. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". The Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. Fans hope that these aspects will be {{retool}}ed for the revival. While everything else is the same, the Chang Triplets have so far not appeared in ''Louder and Prouder''.

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** While the show is still popular, viewers have noted that certain aspects have not aged well. Penny, who has light skin and a thin though shapely build, is portrayed as pretty and desirable compared to Dijonay, who's darker, plump plump, and a gossipy backstabber, who has nine rowdy younger siblings. It doesn't help that she was originally named "Delinquetta". The Gross Sisters are portrayed as blue-skinned because they're ashy, and the Chang Triplets are stereotypical AsianAndNerdy characters. Fans hope that these aspects will be {{retool}}ed for the revival. While everything else is the same, When the Chang Triplets have so far not appeared finally reappeared in the second season of ''Louder and Prouder''.Prouder'', they got {{retool}}ed to be less stereotypical and more individualized.
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** Penny and Dijonay's friendship shows that sometimes, you're only friends with someone because of inertia, proximity, or convenience. The first episode establishes that Dijonay and Penny were friends for years beforehand, despite Suga Mama warning Penny about Dijonay being a bad influence. The same somewhat goes for [=LaCieniga=], as despite the fact they can’t stand each other, she’s still a part of Penny’s friend group, due in part to being friends with Dijoney when they were little and because Penny and [=LaCieniga's=] parents are best friends, and the former was essentially forced to be nice to her.

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** Penny and Dijonay's friendship shows that sometimes, you're only friends with someone because of inertia, proximity, or convenience. The first episode establishes that Dijonay and Penny were friends for years beforehand, despite Suga Mama warning Penny about Dijonay being a bad influence. The same somewhat goes for [=LaCieniga=], as despite the fact they can’t stand each other, she’s still a part of Penny’s friend group, due in part to being friends with Dijoney Dijonay when they were little and because Penny and [=LaCieniga's=] parents are best friends, and the former was essentially forced to be nice to her.
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Just to clarify, I meant YMMV tropes can't be played with.
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Tropes can't be played with. Besides, that was an in-universe example... I think.


* WheelchairWoobie: [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]]. Penny dates a boy in a wheelchair (voiced by Creator/ShiaLaBeouf) because he made her feel bad for him, only for her to realize he's a {{Jerkass}} who exploits his handicap to get what he wants. Not to mention, the DoubleStandard - Penny and her friends are suspended because they were (wrongly) suspected of having been behind the vandalism. When the true vandal is caught and is revealed to be in a wheelchair, all he has to do is apologize. Naturally, this is ''heavily'' lampshaded and called out on.
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** Papi's insults towards Suga Mama as well - it's intended to be a RunningGag, but for some who think Suga Mama's treatment towards Oscar [[DudeNotFunny isn't funny]], he's one of the only ones who actively gives her what she deserves.

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** Papi's insults towards Suga Mama as well - it's intended to be a RunningGag, but for some who think Suga Mama's treatment towards Oscar [[DudeNotFunny isn't funny]], funny, he's one of the only ones who actively gives her what she deserves.

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* AccidentalAesop: Penny and Dijonay's friendship shows that sometimes, you're only friends with someone because of inertia, proximity, or convenience. The first episode establishes that Dijonay and Penny were friends for years beforehand, despite Suga Mama warning Penny about Dijonay being a bad influence. The same somewhat goes for [=LaCieniga=], as despite the fact they can’t stand each other, she’s still a part of Penny’s friend group, due in part to being friends with Dijoney when they were little and because Penny and [=LaCieniga's=] parents are best friends, and the former was essentially forced to be nice to her

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Penny and Dijonay's friendship shows that sometimes, you're only friends with someone because of inertia, proximity, or convenience. The first episode establishes that Dijonay and Penny were friends for years beforehand, despite Suga Mama warning Penny about Dijonay being a bad influence. The same somewhat goes for [=LaCieniga=], as despite the fact they can’t stand each other, she’s still a part of Penny’s friend group, due in part to being friends with Dijoney when they were little and because Penny and [=LaCieniga's=] parents are best friends, and the former was essentially forced to be nice to herher.
** The treatment of Oscar and Penny can also be another aesop: Life's not fair, some people are indeed a ButtMonkey in real life. And if [[TheDogBitesBack they stand up for themselves?]] [[HardTruthAesop They will be punished for it.]]



** Suga Mama's obvious [[TheUnfavorite mistreatment of Oscar]] has been interpreted as her thinking she screwed up with Bobby and is riding Oscar harder so he becomes more successful. Considering that Oscar has a business, a wife, family and grandkids that love him unconditionally compared to her other son, this could hold water.

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** Suga Mama's obvious [[TheUnfavorite mistreatment of Oscar]] has been interpreted as her thinking she screwed up with Bobby and is riding Oscar harder so he becomes more successful. Considering that Oscar has a business, a wife, family and grandkids children that love him unconditionally compared to her other son, this could hold water.water.
** Suga Mama being one of the few people consistently nice to Penny despite flat out abusive towards Oscar has been interpreted as [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone her trying to be a better grandmother to Penny, Bebe, and Cece than she was a mother to Oscar]]. This is surprisingly TruthInTelevision.

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* AccidentalAesop: Penny and Dijonay's friendship shows that sometimes, you're only friends with someone because of inertia, proximity, or convenience. The first episode establishes that Dijonay and Penny were friends for years beforehand, despite Suga Mama warning Penny about Dijonay being a bad influence. The same somewhat goes for [=LaCieniga=], as despite the fact they can’t stand each other, she’s still a part of Penny’s friend group, due in part to being friends with Dijoney when they were little and because Penny and [=LaCieniga's=] parents are best friends, and the former was essentially forced to be nice to her.

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* AccidentalAesop: Penny and Dijonay's friendship shows that sometimes, you're only friends with someone because of inertia, proximity, or convenience. The first episode establishes that Dijonay and Penny were friends for years beforehand, despite Suga Mama warning Penny about Dijonay being a bad influence. The same somewhat goes for [=LaCieniga=], as despite the fact they can’t stand each other, she’s still a part of Penny’s friend group, due in part to being friends with Dijoney when they were little and because Penny and [=LaCieniga's=] parents are best friends, and the former was essentially forced to be nice to her.her


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** Even Trudy has her own moments of this - in one episode, Penny has a broken leg and Suga Mama has a revoked driver's license. When Trudy has to drive Suga Mama around while taking care of bedridden Penny, she snaps - and even tells Oscar that while she can handle "Your daughter", she can't handle "your mother" at the same time. While being stressed ''is'' understandable, this is one of only two times Suga Mama is ever called out on her behaviour, and instead gives the impression Trudy is just fine with Suga Mama [[WhatTheHellHero as long as Suga Mama isn't bothering HER]].
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* {{Adorkable}}:
** Zoe with her shyness, geeky nature, and nerd glasses.
** Michael has his moments. He is soft spoken and awkward, in a very adorable way nonetheless.
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** "Culture Shock" brought both Oscar and Suga Mama in the fold, while it was wrong that their initial attitudes to the Zamins were "Those People", they had a point in saying that they wouldn't allow their kids to stay over at the house of people they don't know very well. It's hard to believe the whole school okayed this cultural exchange program, with what seems to be little to no vetting, and is likely a liability to happen if a kid was switched to a Abusive family or a family that doesn't care to respect the student's own cultural customs or beliefs or even some medical issues (say a family with parents who are food allergy skeptics with a kid from another family who has deadly food allergies). And it should be a given that most parents wouldn't want to entrust their child's safety to a family they don't know very well.

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** "Culture Shock" brought both Oscar and Suga Mama in the fold, while it was wrong that their initial attitudes to the Zamins were "Those People", they had a point in saying that they wouldn't allow their kids to stay over at the house of people they don't know very well. It's hard to believe the whole school okayed this cultural exchange program, with what seems to be little to no vetting, and is likely a liability to happen if a kid was switched to a Abusive abusive family or a family that doesn't care to respect the student's own cultural customs or beliefs or even some medical issues (say a family with parents who are food allergy skeptics with a kid from another family who has deadly food allergies). And it should be a given that most parents wouldn't want to entrust their child's safety to a family they don't know very well.
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZzLzeoju-c "Nobody likes me anymore! IT'S THESE STUPID FEET!"]] - But that line is just the cake; the actual icing is Oscar's reaction when he sees [=LaCienega's=] big, long, feet, which everyone makes fun of her for when they're discovered during swimming class.
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* CatharsisFactor:
** When Oscar calls Suga Mama out in "Penny Potter" for her behaviour towards him is intended to be a KickTheDog moment. Instead, it comes off as ''incredibly'' satisfying since Oscar [[TheDogBitesBack finally stood up to his abusive mother]].
** Papi's insults towards Suga Mama as well - it's intended to be a RunningGag, but for some who think Suga Mama's treatment towards Oscar [[DudeNotFunny isn't funny]], he's one of the only ones who actively gives her what she deserves.


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** Suga Mama herself - considering her treatment towards Oscar as TheUnfavorite (see StrawmanHasAPoint), Oscar is well within his rights to want nothing to do with her.

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** Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] are this, due to how they treat Penny. Although [=LaCienega=] became a LovableAlphaBitch, she still slips back to being a
{{jerkass}} and constantly bullies and belittles Penny and other characters. Dijoney meanwhile is constantly disloyal and backstabs Penny, and cannot keep a secret. Ironically, TheMovie has Penny frequently refer to Zoey as her best friend...guess she dumped Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] during the TimeSkip.

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** Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] are this, due to how they treat Penny. Although [=LaCienega=] became a LovableAlphaBitch, she still slips back to being a
a {{jerkass}} and constantly bullies and belittles Penny and other characters. Dijoney meanwhile is constantly disloyal and backstabs Penny, and cannot keep a secret. Ironically, TheMovie has Penny frequently refer to Zoey as her best friend...guess she dumped Dijonay and [=LaCienega=] during the TimeSkip.

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