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* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: Dedee being a GenreSavvy snarky narrator was one of the main innovations of the film at the time. Roger Ebert heaped praise on the movie for featuring a protagonist that was aware of movie cliches and subverting them. Of course that sort of thing hardly seems new these days, and GenreSavvy characters popped up everywhere in the 2000s.

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* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: OnceOriginalNowCommon: Dedee being a GenreSavvy snarky narrator was one of the main innovations of the film at the time. Roger Ebert heaped praise on the movie for featuring a protagonist that was aware of movie cliches and subverting them. Of course that sort of thing hardly seems new these days, and GenreSavvy characters popped up everywhere in the 2000s.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Dede seems to think Lucia hangs around Bill because she has a crush on him. And that her anger at Dede and Matt's affair was her projecting her insecurities that Dede could 'cure' Matt while she couldn't do the same for Bill.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Dede Dedee seems to think Lucia hangs around Bill because she has a crush on him. And that her anger at Dede and Matt's affair was her projecting her insecurities that Dede Dedee could 'cure' Matt while she couldn't do the same for Bill.



* CrossesTheLineTwice: Dede steals Tom's ashes. How does she demonstrate this? By taking the urn out, turning it upside down and showing that it's empty. Lisa Kudrow's hysterical delivery of "where are the ashes?" is the topper.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Dede Dedee steals Tom's ashes. How does she demonstrate this? By taking the urn out, turning it upside down and showing that it's empty. Lisa Kudrow's hysterical delivery of "where are the ashes?" is the topper.



** Dede is a real piece of work and she's an outright VillainProtagonist. But you see her crappy life at the start, and her narration seems rather bitterly accepting of how nasty she is. The viewer is led to believe she dies twice in the film, and both times are played sadly. Creator/ChristinaRicci was surprised that some viewers found her so nasty, as she saw her as someone who was hurt so much.
** Lucia is rude and bitchy to everyone. But she has a FriendlessBackground and her only companion was her brother, and now he's dead. So she hangs around with his widow because he's her only friend. Dede even lampshades this as she flashes back to Lucia's unhappy teen years, saying that we may feel sorry for her as she eats alone at her sister's wedding - "but would ''you'' sit with her?"

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** Dede Dedee is a real piece of work and she's an outright VillainProtagonist. But you see her crappy life at the start, and her narration seems rather bitterly accepting of how nasty she is. The viewer is led to believe she dies twice in the film, and both times are played sadly. Creator/ChristinaRicci was surprised that some viewers found her so nasty, as she saw her as someone who was hurt so much.
** Lucia is rude and bitchy to everyone. But she has a FriendlessBackground and her only companion was her brother, and now he's dead. So she hangs around with his widow because he's her only friend. Dede Dedee even lampshades this as she flashes back to Lucia's unhappy teen years, saying that we may feel sorry for her as she eats alone at her sister's wedding - "but would ''you'' sit with her?"



* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: Dede being a GenreSavvy snarky narrator was one of the main innovations of the film at the time. Roger Ebert heaped praise on the movie for featuring a protagonist that was aware of movie cliches and subverting them. Of course that sort of thing hardly seems new these days, and GenreSavvy characters popped up everywhere in the 2000s.

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* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: Dede Dedee being a GenreSavvy snarky narrator was one of the main innovations of the film at the time. Roger Ebert heaped praise on the movie for featuring a protagonist that was aware of movie cliches and subverting them. Of course that sort of thing hardly seems new these days, and GenreSavvy characters popped up everywhere in the 2000s.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The movie seems to paint Matt as a lovable character who just gets easily manipulated by Dede. But he still freely has an affair with his boyfriend's sister. Dede's conning of him comes across as LaserGuidedKarma.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The movie seems to paint Matt as a lovable character who just gets easily manipulated by Dede.Dedee. But he still freely has an affair with his boyfriend's sister. Dede's Dedee conning of him comes across as LaserGuidedKarma.



** It's hard to imagine a character like Jason appearing in a film these days. He's a FlamboyantGay stereotype who causes all sorts of trouble for Bill. Dede's casual homophobia meanwhile is used to show her as a bitch.
** The movie clearly shows it was made during TheNineties when gays were still being scapegoated by the AIDS crisis, as Tom died of AIDS and Dede displays a lot of ignorance about the disease that only existed then. It's also easy for Jason to defame Bill's character by claiming they had an affair. Overall the movie is clearly from a time when society was still very intolerant to homosexuals.

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** It's hard to imagine a character like Jason appearing in a film these days. He's a FlamboyantGay stereotype who deliberately causes all sorts of trouble for Bill. Dede's Dedee's casual homophobia meanwhile is used to show her as a bitch.
** The movie clearly shows it was made during TheNineties when gays were still being scapegoated by the AIDS crisis, as Tom died of AIDS and Dede Dedee displays a lot of ignorance about the disease that only existed then. It's also easy for Jason to defame Bill's character by claiming they had an affair. Overall the movie is clearly from a time when society was still very intolerant to homosexuals.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Dede being a GenreSavvy snarky narrator was one of the main innovations of the film at the time. Roger Ebert heaped praise on the movie for featuring a protagonist that was aware of movie cliches and subverting them. Of course that sort of thing hardly seems new these days, and GenreSavvy characters popped up everywhere in the 2000s.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: OnceOriginalNowOverdone: Dede being a GenreSavvy snarky narrator was one of the main innovations of the film at the time. Roger Ebert heaped praise on the movie for featuring a protagonist that was aware of movie cliches and subverting them. Of course that sort of thing hardly seems new these days, and GenreSavvy characters popped up everywhere in the 2000s.

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* ValuesDissonance: It's hard to imagine a character like Jason appearing in a film these days. He's a FlamboyantGay stereotype who causes all sorts of trouble for Bill. Dede's casual homophobia meanwhile is used to show her as a bitch.

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* ValuesDissonance: ValuesDissonance:
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It's hard to imagine a character like Jason appearing in a film these days. He's a FlamboyantGay stereotype who causes all sorts of trouble for Bill. Dede's casual homophobia meanwhile is used to show her as a bitch.bitch.
** The movie clearly shows it was made during TheNineties when gays were still being scapegoated by the AIDS crisis, as Tom died of AIDS and Dede displays a lot of ignorance about the disease that only existed then. It's also easy for Jason to defame Bill's character by claiming they had an affair. Overall the movie is clearly from a time when society was still very intolerant to homosexuals.
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* ValuesResonance: The film is ahead of its time for showing sexuality as complicated when it comes to Matt. He turns out to be bisexual and refers to himself as such - and the only character who claims bisexuality doesn't exist is Lucia, who is shown to be in the wrong. It also subverts ButNotTooBi by having Matt and Jason end up together. In addition, it is a male who states that he's bisexual as even as of this writing, the media portrayal of male bisexuals has been shockingly low.

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* ValuesResonance: The film is ahead of its time for showing sexuality as complicated when it comes to Matt. He turns out to be bisexual and refers to himself as such - and the only character who claims bisexuality doesn't exist is Lucia, who is shown to be in the wrong. It also subverts ButNotTooBi by having Matt and Jason end up together. In addition, it is a male man who states that he's bisexual as even as of this writing, the media portrayal of male bisexuals has been shockingly low.

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** Dede is a real piece of work and she's an outright VillainProtagonist. But you see her crappy life at the start, and her narration seems rather bitterly accepting of how nasty she is. The viewer is led to believe she dies twice in the film, and both times are played sadly. Christina Ricci was surprised that some viewers found her so nasty, as she saw her as someone who was hurt so much.

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** Dede is a real piece of work and she's an outright VillainProtagonist. But you see her crappy life at the start, and her narration seems rather bitterly accepting of how nasty she is. The viewer is led to believe she dies twice in the film, and both times are played sadly. Christina Ricci Creator/ChristinaRicci was surprised that some viewers found her so nasty, as she saw her as someone who was hurt so much.



** Christina Ricci proved with this and ''Film/TheIceStorm'' that she was considerably more than just a child actress. ''Rolling Stone'' said:
--> "Whether she’s reading the film’s wittily misleading narration or doing startling things to help us see behind Dedee’s facade, this babe is the bomb. Dedee may smart-mouth herself into oblivion, but Ricci is headed for a stunning future."
** Lisa Kudrow won lots of acclaim for taking a role drastically different to Phoebe Buffay and starring in an indie film that wasn't a guaranteed hit. She later called Lucia one of her favourite roles.

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** Christina Ricci Creator/ChristinaRicci proved with this and ''Film/TheIceStorm'' that she was considerably more than just a child actress. ''Rolling Stone'' ''Magazine/RollingStone'' said:
--> "Whether she’s she's reading the film’s wittily misleading narration or doing startling things to help us see behind Dedee’s Dedee's facade, this babe is the bomb. Dedee may smart-mouth herself into oblivion, but Ricci is headed for a stunning future."
** Lisa Kudrow Creator/LisaKudrow won lots of acclaim for taking a role drastically different to [[Series/{{Friends}} Phoebe Buffay Buffay]] and starring in an indie film that wasn't a guaranteed hit. She later called Lucia one of her favourite roles.



* ValuesResonance: The film is ahead of its time for showing sexuality as complicated when it comes to Matt. He turns out to be bisexual and refers to himself as such - and the only character who claims bisexuality doesn't exist is Lucia, who is shown to be in the wrong. It also subverts ButNotTooBi by having Matt and Jason end up together. In addition, it is a male who states that he's bisexual as even as of this writing, the media portrayal of male bisexuals has been shockingly low.

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* ValuesResonance: The film is ahead of its time for showing sexuality as complicated when it comes to Matt. He turns out to be bisexual and refers to himself as such - and the only character who claims bisexuality doesn't exist is Lucia, who is shown to be in the wrong. It also subverts ButNotTooBi by having Matt and Jason end up together. In addition, it is a male who states that he's bisexual as even as of this writing, the media portrayal of male bisexuals has been shockingly low.low.
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* ValuesResonance: The film is ahead of its time for showing sexuality as complicated when it comes to Matt. He turns out to be bisexual and refers to himself as such - and the only character who claims bisexuality doesn't exist is Lucia, who is shown to be in the wrong. It also subverts ButNotTooBi by having Matt and Jason end up together. In addition, it is a male who states that he's bisexual as even in 2020, the media portrayal of male bisexuals has been shockingly low.

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* ValuesResonance: The film is ahead of its time for showing sexuality as complicated when it comes to Matt. He turns out to be bisexual and refers to himself as such - and the only character who claims bisexuality doesn't exist is Lucia, who is shown to be in the wrong. It also subverts ButNotTooBi by having Matt and Jason end up together. In addition, it is a male who states that he's bisexual as even in 2020, as of this writing, the media portrayal of male bisexuals has been shockingly low.
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* ValuesResonance: The film is ahead of its time for showing sexuality as complicated when it comes to Matt. He turns out to be bisexual and refers to himself as such - and the only character who claims bisexuality doesn't exist is Lucia, who is shown to be in the wrong. It also subverts ButNotTooBi by having Matt and Jason end up together.

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* ValuesResonance: The film is ahead of its time for showing sexuality as complicated when it comes to Matt. He turns out to be bisexual and refers to himself as such - and the only character who claims bisexuality doesn't exist is Lucia, who is shown to be in the wrong. It also subverts ButNotTooBi by having Matt and Jason end up together. In addition, it is a male who states that he's bisexual as even in 2020, the media portrayal of male bisexuals has been shockingly low.
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* InternetBackdraft: The film got a backlash from gay rights groups who thought that having a bisexual character was trying to imply that [[ValuesDissonance gay men]] [[NoBisexuals could be]] [[CureYourGays turned straight]]. Never mind that said character later ends up with another man.
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* CounterpartComparison: An odd one. None other than Creator/RogerEbert compared Dede to ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' for her snarky narration.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Dede seems to think Lucia hangs around Bill because she has a crush on him. And that her anger at Dede and Matt's affair was her projecting her insecurities that Dede could 'cure' Matt while she couldn't do the same for Bill.



* HollywoodHomely: Lisa Kudrow is given drab brown hair and frumpy clothes to make it look like she's a plain woman. It's established that she used to be fat as well.

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* HollywoodHomely: Lisa Kudrow is given drab brown hair and frumpy clothes to make it look like she's a plain woman. It's established that she used to be fat as well. Her personality helps make her unattractive.
* InternetBackdraft: The film got a backlash from gay rights groups who thought that having a bisexual character was trying to imply that [[ValuesDissonance gay men]] [[NoBisexuals could be]] [[CureYourGays turned straight]]. Never mind that said character later ends up with another man.



** Dede is a real piece of work and she's an outright VillainProtagonist. But you see her crappy life at the start, and her narration seems rather bitterly accepting of how nasty she is. The viewer is led to believe she dies twice in the film, and both times are played sadly.

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** Dede is a real piece of work and she's an outright VillainProtagonist. But you see her crappy life at the start, and her narration seems rather bitterly accepting of how nasty she is. The viewer is led to believe she dies twice in the film, and both times are played sadly. Christina Ricci was surprised that some viewers found her so nasty, as she saw her as someone who was hurt so much.



* SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct:
** Christina Ricci proved with this and ''Film/TheIceStorm'' that she was considerably more than just a child actress. ''Rolling Stone'' said:
--> "Whether she’s reading the film’s wittily misleading narration or doing startling things to help us see behind Dedee’s facade, this babe is the bomb. Dedee may smart-mouth herself into oblivion, but Ricci is headed for a stunning future."
** Lisa Kudrow won lots of acclaim for taking a role drastically different to Phoebe Buffay and starring in an indie film that wasn't a guaranteed hit. She later called Lucia one of her favourite roles.



* ValuesDissonance: It's hard to imagine a character like Jason appearing in a film these days. He's a FlamboyantGay stereotype who causes all sorts of trouble for Bill. Dede's casual homophobia meanwhile is used to show her as a bitch.

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* ValuesDissonance: It's hard to imagine a character like Jason appearing in a film these days. He's a FlamboyantGay stereotype who causes all sorts of trouble for Bill. Dede's casual homophobia meanwhile is used to show her as a bitch.bitch.
* ValuesResonance: The film is ahead of its time for showing sexuality as complicated when it comes to Matt. He turns out to be bisexual and refers to himself as such - and the only character who claims bisexuality doesn't exist is Lucia, who is shown to be in the wrong. It also subverts ButNotTooBi by having Matt and Jason end up together.

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* CounterpartComparison: An odd one. None other than Creator/RogerEbert compared Dede to ''Series/Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' for her snarky narration.

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* CounterpartComparison: An odd one. None other than Creator/RogerEbert compared Dede to ''Series/Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' for her snarky narration.



* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The movie clearly shows it was made during the 90s when gays were still being scapegoated by the AIDS crisis, as Tom died of AIDS and Dede displays a lot of ignorance about the disease that only existed then. It's also easy for Jason to defame Bill's character by claiming they had an affair. Overall the movie is clearly from a time when society was still very intolerant to homosexuals.
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* AwardSnub: Some people saw Lisa Kudrow as a potential Best Supporting Actress nomination, but she was largely ignored on the awards circuit.
* CounterpartComparison: An odd one. None other than Roger Ebert compared Dede to ''Series/MysteryScienceTheatre3000'' for her snarky narration.

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* AwardSnub: Some people saw Lisa Kudrow Creator/LisaKudrow as a potential Best Supporting Actress nomination, but she was largely ignored on the awards circuit.
* CounterpartComparison: An odd one. None other than Roger Ebert Creator/RogerEbert compared Dede to ''Series/MysteryScienceTheatre3000'' ''Series/Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' for her snarky narration.

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* CounterpartComparison: An odd one. None other than Roger Ebert compared Dede to ''Series/MysteryScienceTheatre3000'' for her snarky narration.



* SeinfieldIsUnfunny: Dede being a GenreSavvy snarky narrator was one of the main innovations of the film at the time. Roger Ebert heaped praise on the movie for featuring a protagonist that was aware of movie cliches and subverting them. Of course that sort of thing hardly seems new these days, and GenreSavvy characters popped up everywhere in the 2000s.

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* SeinfieldIsUnfunny: SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Dede being a GenreSavvy snarky narrator was one of the main innovations of the film at the time. Roger Ebert heaped praise on the movie for featuring a protagonist that was aware of movie cliches and subverting them. Of course that sort of thing hardly seems new these days, and GenreSavvy characters popped up everywhere in the 2000s.

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* HollywoodHomely: Lisa Kudrow as a frumpy sexually repressed spinster?
* UglyGuyHotWife: Carl and Lucia

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* AwardSnub: Some people saw Lisa Kudrow as a potential Best Supporting Actress nomination, but she was largely ignored on the awards circuit.
* CrossesTheLineTwice: Dede steals Tom's ashes. How does she demonstrate this? By taking the urn out, turning it upside down and showing that it's empty. Lisa Kudrow's hysterical delivery of "where are the ashes?" is the topper.
* HollywoodHomely: Lisa Kudrow as a is given drab brown hair and frumpy sexually repressed spinster?
clothes to make it look like she's a plain woman. It's established that she used to be fat as well.
* UglyGuyHotWife: Carl JerkassWoobie:
** Dede is a real piece of work
and Luciashe's an outright VillainProtagonist. But you see her crappy life at the start, and her narration seems rather bitterly accepting of how nasty she is. The viewer is led to believe she dies twice in the film, and both times are played sadly.
** Lucia is rude and bitchy to everyone. But she has a FriendlessBackground and her only companion was her brother, and now he's dead. So she hangs around with his widow because he's her only friend. Dede even lampshades this as she flashes back to Lucia's unhappy teen years, saying that we may feel sorry for her as she eats alone at her sister's wedding - "but would ''you'' sit with her?"
* LoveToHate: Lucia is so shrill and over-the-top that she's the favourite character in the movie.
* SeinfieldIsUnfunny: Dede being a GenreSavvy snarky narrator was one of the main innovations of the film at the time. Roger Ebert heaped praise on the movie for featuring a protagonist that was aware of movie cliches and subverting them. Of course that sort of thing hardly seems new these days, and GenreSavvy characters popped up everywhere in the 2000s.
* StoicWoobie: Bill has to deal with his boyfriend dying, his sister having an affair with his current boyfriend, a smear campaign against his character and homophobia from his own students. Not that you hear him complaining about it.
* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The movie clearly shows it was made during the 90s when gays were still being scapegoated by the AIDS crisis, as Tom died of AIDS and Dede displays a lot of ignorance about the disease that only existed then. It's also easy for Jason to defame Bill's character by claiming they had an affair. Overall the movie is clearly from a time when society was still very intolerant to homosexuals.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The movie seems to paint Matt as a lovable character who just gets easily manipulated by Dede. But he still freely has an affair with his boyfriend's sister. Dede's conning of him comes across as LaserGuidedKarma.
* ValuesDissonance: It's hard to imagine a character like Jason appearing in a film these days. He's a FlamboyantGay stereotype who causes all sorts of trouble for Bill. Dede's casual homophobia meanwhile is used to show her as a bitch.
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* UglyGuy,HotWife: Carl and Lucia

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* UglyGuy,HotWife: UglyGuyHotWife: Carl and Lucia
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* HollywoodHomely: Lisa Kudrow as a frumpy sexually repressed spinster?

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* HollywoodHomely: Lisa Kudrow as a frumpy sexually repressed spinster?spinster?
* UglyGuy,HotWife: Carl and Lucia
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