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* FoeYay: [[spoiler: Elspeth and Ariel]]. Especially in ''The Keeping Place''.
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Unapproved Magnificent Bastard entry.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Atthis is a MagnificentBastard who [[spoiler: has cunningly manipulated people and events, playing off of the fears and hopes of entire ''species'' to warp any respective mythologies within a one hundred mile radius of Elspeth, in order to ''make'' her their [[TheChosenOne Chosen One]], and hence make sure that the believers of said mythologies will sacrifice both their own lives and that of their followers for her sake]].
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* MagnificentBastard: Ariel, who runs the gauntlet for this. His [[ManipulativeBastard ability to manipulate people]] is the primary reason he has [[spoiler: consistently managed to rise quickly through the ranks of ''any'' organization to positions of power.]]
* NightmareFuel: The shadows in ''The Stone Key'' [[spoiler: blind the One and try to cut his tongue out. While it's not like [[AssholeVictim he didn't deserve it,]] it's still scary.]]
* NightmareFuel: The shadows in ''The Stone Key'' [[spoiler: blind the One and try to cut his tongue out. While it's not like [[AssholeVictim he didn't deserve it,]] it's still scary.]]
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unfortunate implications need citations
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* UnfortunateImplications:
** Many Sadorians want to breed out the inherent brutality in their blood, and abandon their savage language. But it eventually becomes pretty clear that the Sadorians are [[spoiler: Arabic speakers and probably the descendents of Arabs or North Africans]]. Whoops.
*** It's said in-book that Mericanda (which is [[WildMassGuessing supposed to be America]]) shares a land-based border with Gadfia. So, in terms of geography... no... that doesn't really make a lot of sense. That said, there is a ''lot'' of bizarre geography described throughout the series.
**** It is stated in Book 1 that the Great White changed the shape of the land...
***** '''That''' much is a bit hard to believe, given that it'd require relocating one piece of the land across a rather large percentage of the globe's circumference. That degree of changing shape would require warping reality--and in turn mean the Great White couldn't have been caused by nukes.
** Rushton being emotionally abusive to Elspeth throughout The Stone Key is apparently proof that he really does love her.
** Many Sadorians want to breed out the inherent brutality in their blood, and abandon their savage language. But it eventually becomes pretty clear that the Sadorians are [[spoiler: Arabic speakers and probably the descendents of Arabs or North Africans]]. Whoops.
*** It's said in-book that Mericanda (which is [[WildMassGuessing supposed to be America]]) shares a land-based border with Gadfia. So, in terms of geography... no... that doesn't really make a lot of sense. That said, there is a ''lot'' of bizarre geography described throughout the series.
**** It is stated in Book 1 that the Great White changed the shape of the land...
***** '''That''' much is a bit hard to believe, given that it'd require relocating one piece of the land across a rather large percentage of the globe's circumference. That degree of changing shape would require warping reality--and in turn mean the Great White couldn't have been caused by nukes.
** Rushton being emotionally abusive to Elspeth throughout The Stone Key is apparently proof that he really does love her.
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** Many Sadorians want to breed out the inherent brutality in their blood, and abandon their savage language. But it eventually becomes pretty clear that the Sadorians are [[spoiler: Arabic speakers and probably the descendents of Arabs or North Africans]]. Whoops.
*** It's said in-book that Mericanda (which is [[WildMassGuessing supposed to be America]]) shares a land-based border with Gadfia. So, in terms of geography... no... that doesn't really make a lot of sense. That said, there is a ''lot'' of bizarre geography described throughout the series.
**** It is stated in Book 1 that the Great White changed the shape of the land...
***** '''That''' much is a bit hard to believe, given that it'd require relocating one piece of the land across a rather large percentage of the globe's circumference. That degree of changing shape would require warping reality--and in turn mean the Great White couldn't have been caused by nukes.
** Rushton being emotionally abusive to Elspeth throughout The Stone Key is apparently proof that he really does love her.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Many Sadorians want to breed out the inherent brutality in their blood, and abandon their savage language. But it eventually becomes pretty clear that the Sadorians are [[spoiler: Arabic speakers and probably the descendents of Arabs or North Africans]]. Whoops.
** It's said in-book that Mericanda (which is [[WildMassGuessing supposed to be America]]) shares a land-based border with Gadfia. So, in terms of geography... no... that doesn't really make a lot of sense. That said, there is a ''lot'' of bizarre geography described throughout the series.
*** It is stated in Book 1 that the Great White changed the shape of the land...
**** '''That''' much is a bit hard to believe, given that it'd require relocating one piece of the land across a rather large percentage of the globe's circumference. That degree of changing shape would require warping reality--and in turn mean the Great White couldn't have been caused by nukes.
** It's said in-book that Mericanda (which is [[WildMassGuessing supposed to be America]]) shares a land-based border with Gadfia. So, in terms of geography... no... that doesn't really make a lot of sense. That said, there is a ''lot'' of bizarre geography described throughout the series.
*** It is stated in Book 1 that the Great White changed the shape of the land...
**** '''That''' much is a bit hard to believe, given that it'd require relocating one piece of the land across a rather large percentage of the globe's circumference. That degree of changing shape would require warping reality--and in turn mean the Great White couldn't have been caused by nukes.
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* UnfortunateImplications: UnfortunateImplications:
** Many Sadorians want to breed out the inherent brutality in their blood, and abandon their savage language. But it eventually becomes pretty clear that the Sadorians are [[spoiler: Arabic speakers and probably the descendents of Arabs or North Africans]]. Whoops.
** *** It's said in-book that Mericanda (which is [[WildMassGuessing supposed to be America]]) shares a land-based border with Gadfia. So, in terms of geography... no... that doesn't really make a lot of sense. That said, there is a ''lot'' of bizarre geography described throughout the series.
*** **** It is stated in Book 1 that the Great White changed the shape of the land...
**** ***** '''That''' much is a bit hard to believe, given that it'd require relocating one piece of the land across a rather large percentage of the globe's circumference. That degree of changing shape would require warping reality--and in turn mean the Great White couldn't have been caused by nukes.nukes.
** Rushton being emotionally abusive to Elspeth throughout The Stone Key is apparently proof that he really does love her.
** Many Sadorians want to breed out the inherent brutality in their blood, and abandon their savage language. But it eventually becomes pretty clear that the Sadorians are [[spoiler: Arabic speakers and probably the descendents of Arabs or North Africans]]. Whoops.
** Rushton being emotionally abusive to Elspeth throughout The Stone Key is apparently proof that he really does love her.
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* FoeYay: [[spoiler: Elspeth and Ariel]]. Especially in ''The Keeping Place''.
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This isn\'t YMMV. Moving.
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**** '''That''' much is a bit hard to believe, given that it'd require relocating one piece of the land across a rather large percentage of the globe's circumference. That degree of changing shape would require warping reality--and in turn mean the Great White couldn't have been caused by nukes. But see:
* YouFailGeographyForever: Carmody has admitted she cut up a map of the world and shuffled it up to create her mental map of the Land. But [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness it's not the kind of series where this is hugely concerning]].
* YouFailGeographyForever: Carmody has admitted she cut up a map of the world and shuffled it up to create her mental map of the Land. But [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness it's not the kind of series where this is hugely concerning]].
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**** '''That''' much is a bit hard to believe, given that it'd require relocating one piece of the land across a rather large percentage of the globe's circumference. That degree of changing shape would require warping reality--and in turn mean the Great White couldn't have been caused by nukes. But see: \n* YouFailGeographyForever: Carmody has admitted she cut up a map of the world and shuffled it up to create her mental map of the Land. But [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness it's not the kind of series where this is hugely concerning]].
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* MagnificentBastard: Played with in Ariel, who runs the gauntlet for this. His [[ManipulativeBastard ability to manipulate people]] is the primary reason he has [[spoiler: consistently managed to rise quickly through the ranks of ''any'' organization to positions of power.]] YMMV on whether he deserves the "Magnificent" conditional or not. He tends a little too far to the ChaoticEvil side of things to be subtle enough for it.
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* MagnificentBastard: Played with in Ariel, who runs the gauntlet for this. His [[ManipulativeBastard ability to manipulate people]] is the primary reason he has [[spoiler: consistently managed to rise quickly through the ranks of ''any'' organization to positions of power.]] YMMV on whether he deserves the "Magnificent" conditional or not. He tends a little too far to the ChaoticEvil side of things to be subtle enough for it. ]]
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**** '''That''' much is a bit hard to believe, given that it'd require relocating one piece of the land across a rather large percentage of the globe's circumference. That degree of changing shape would require warping reality--and in turn mean the Great White couldn't have been caused by nukes.
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**** '''That''' much is a bit hard to believe, given that it'd require relocating one piece of the land across a rather large percentage of the globe's circumference. That degree of changing shape would require warping reality--and in turn mean the Great White couldn't have been caused by nukes. But see:
*YouFailGeographyForever: Carmody has admitted she cut up a map of the world and shuffled it up to create her mental map of the Land. But [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness it's not the kind of series where this is hugely concerning]].
*YouFailGeographyForever: Carmody has admitted she cut up a map of the world and shuffled it up to create her mental map of the Land. But [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness it's not the kind of series where this is hugely concerning]].
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*** It is stated in Book 1 that the Great White changed the shape of the land...
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*** It is stated in Book 1 that the Great White changed the shape of the land...land...
**** '''That''' much is a bit hard to believe, given that it'd require relocating one piece of the land across a rather large percentage of the globe's circumference. That degree of changing shape would require warping reality--and in turn mean the Great White couldn't have been caused by nukes.
**** '''That''' much is a bit hard to believe, given that it'd require relocating one piece of the land across a rather large percentage of the globe's circumference. That degree of changing shape would require warping reality--and in turn mean the Great White couldn't have been caused by nukes.