History YMMV / TheMentalist

1st Feb '17 9:51:55 AM Cieloazul
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* TheChrisCarterEffect: The Red John MythArc has become far more elaborate and convoluted than originally intended. While it appears that Bruno Heller always knew who Red John was going to be (or picked his possible choices early on, at least), the character went from a particularly devious SerialKiller who knew how to cover his tracks, to a SerialKiller who knew a few other killers, to a SerialKiller with a shadow army of fanatically devoted, loyal-unto-death brainwashed followers. In season 6 they took his catchphrase ("Tiger, Tiger") and decided to turn what looked like a cult into a sophisticated criminal organization that nobody had heard of, and made Red John a possible member, to a possible ''senior'' member, and finally into the apparent mastermind of the whole thing. Oh, and he's repeatedly performing "psychic" feats that make Jane look like an amateur, that are never explained. Beyond a certain point he's basically a supervillain and you have to start wondering why he ever resorted to anything as trivial as serial murder in the first place. TheReveal that he is [[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]] only raised further issues, as many clues that were dropped about Red John turn out to be irrelevant (his height, for instance- the actor in question is taller than Red John was stated to be). Practically all of the clues that pointed to him were only dropped in the sixth season, the one he was revealed in; most clues from previous seasons were never mentioned again. There are also logistical questions that push it into FridgeLogic territory, such as how he can keep showing up and killing in Sacremento, where the team is based, especially in his last season, [[spoiler: when he's supposed to be a small-town sheriff from Santa Monica, hundreds of miles away.]]

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* TheChrisCarterEffect: The Red John MythArc has become far more elaborate and convoluted than originally intended. While it appears that Bruno Heller always knew who Red John was going to be (or (although even that notion is contested by some) or at least picked his possible choices early on, at least), the character went from a particularly devious SerialKiller who knew how to cover his tracks, to a SerialKiller who knew a few other killers, to a SerialKiller with a shadow army of fanatically devoted, loyal-unto-death brainwashed followers. In season 6 they took his catchphrase ("Tiger, Tiger") and decided to turn what looked like a cult into a sophisticated criminal organization that nobody had heard of, and made Red John a possible member, to a possible ''senior'' member, and finally into the apparent mastermind of the whole thing. Oh, and he's repeatedly performing "psychic" feats that make Jane look like an amateur, that are never explained. Beyond a certain point he's basically a supervillain and you have to start wondering why he ever resorted to anything as trivial as serial murder in the first place. TheReveal that he is [[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]] only raised further issues, as many clues that were dropped about Red John turn out to be irrelevant (his height, for instance- the actor in question is taller than Red John was stated to be). Practically be) while practically all of the clues that pointed to him were only dropped in the sixth season, the one he was revealed in; most clues from previous seasons were never mentioned again. There are also logistical questions that push it into FridgeLogic territory, such as how he can keep showing up and killing in Sacremento, where the team is based, especially in his last season, [[spoiler: when he's supposed to be a small-town sheriff from Santa Monica, hundreds of miles away.]]
26th Oct '16 5:35:06 PM LadWatcher
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* WhatAnIdiot: A lot of Patrick's schemes work because the killer didn't stop to think things through.
** The killer in ''Red-Handed'' is completely aware that whoever has the victim's lucky poker chip would immediately become a major suspect yet he ''bets'' said poker chip on a game. He's arrested less than two minutes after.

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* WhatAnIdiot: A lot of Patrick's schemes work because the killer didn't stop to think things through.
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The killer in ''Red-Handed'' is completely aware that whoever has the victim's lucky poker chip would immediately become a major suspect as well as the fact that Patrick is investigating the case yet he ''bets'' said poker chip on a game.game against Patrick. He's arrested less than two minutes after.
25th Oct '16 11:24:46 PM LadWatcher
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Many believe that Brett Partridge was funny enough and had sufficiently interesting interactions with Jane to add him to the core characters in the CBI. Instead, he was a sporadic character who was only used as an incredibly unsubtle Red John RedHerring.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Many believe that Brett Partridge was funny enough and had sufficiently interesting interactions with Jane to add him to the core characters in the CBI. Instead, he was a sporadic character who was only used as an incredibly unsubtle Red John RedHerring.RedHerring.
* WhatAnIdiot: A lot of Patrick's schemes work because the killer didn't stop to think things through.
** The killer in ''Red-Handed'' is completely aware that whoever has the victim's lucky poker chip would immediately become a major suspect yet he ''bets'' said poker chip on a game. He's arrested less than two minutes after.
6th Nov '15 7:54:19 PM MrCaptainA
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** Red John/[[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]]. Just what are his backstory and motivations? What led him to become a serial killer? Why is it that he seems to have absolutely no remorse for actions, but instead views them as NecessarilyEvil? It's revealed throughout the course of the show that he does not view himself as weak, unhappy, evil or in need of redemption, and that he does not feel himself deserving of punishment for his deeds, so what does that make him? Is he some sort of KnighTemplar or WellIntentionedExtremist? Does he suffer from BlueandOrangeMorality, BlackAndWhiteInsanity, or a little bit of both? Or is he just plain bonkers with delusions of grandeur? And did he start killing people before or after he [[spoiler: became a sherriff]]?

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** Red John/[[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]]. Just what are his backstory and motivations? What led him to become a serial killer? Why is it that he seems to have absolutely no remorse for actions, but instead views them as NecessarilyEvil? It's revealed throughout the course of the show that he does not view himself as weak, unhappy, evil or in need of redemption, and that he does not feel himself deserving of punishment for his deeds, so what does that make him? Is he some sort of KnighTemplar KnightTemplar or WellIntentionedExtremist? Does he suffer from BlueandOrangeMorality, BlackAndWhiteInsanity, or a little bit of both? Or is he just plain bonkers with delusions of grandeur? And did he start killing people before or after he [[spoiler: became a sherriff]]?
6th Nov '15 7:53:57 PM MrCaptainA
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** Red John/[[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]]. Just what are his backstory and motivations? What led him to become a serial killer? Why is it that he seems to have absolutely no remorse for actions, but instead views them as NecessarilyEvil? It's revealed throughout the course of the show that he does not view himself as weak, unhappy, evil or in need of redemption, and that he does not feel himself deserving of punishment for his deeds, so what does that make him? Is he some sort of KnighTemplar or WellIntentionedExtremist? Does he suffer from BlueandOrangeMorality, BlackAndWhiteInsanity, or a little bit of both? Or is he just plain bonkers with delusions of grandeur? And did he start killing people before or after he [[spoiler: became a sherriff]]?


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* VillainBall: The only reason Jane ever gets in a position to defeat Red John is due to the latter possessing one of these. Despite knowing all too well that Jane wants him dead for what he did to Jane's family, a combination of WorthyOpponent, TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou, and WeCanRuleTogether leads Red John to keep Jane alive--and in a position to one day kill him--instead of killing Jane first out of self-preservation.
17th Sep '15 4:31:51 PM Cieloazul
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** For many, TheReveal that Red John was [[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]] falls into this. Mostly because so little evidence over the course of the series pointed to him- except for evidence in season 6, the season he was revealed-, and because it doesn't easily jive with what we ''did'' know about Red John. Not to mention, any motive or backstory Red John had was dismissed by Jane as irrelevant, so we learn little about him beyond the fact that this man was Red John, and many of his impressive- nigh impossible- feats are given no explanation.

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** ** For many, TheReveal that Red John was [[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]] falls into this. Mostly because so little evidence over the course of the series pointed to him- except for evidence in season 6, the season he was revealed-, and because it doesn't easily jive with what we ''did'' know about Red John. Not to mention, any motive or backstory Red John had was dismissed by Jane as irrelevant, so we learn little about him beyond the fact that this man was Red John, and many of his impressive- nigh impossible- feats are given no explanation.



* OlderThanTheyThink: The novel ''The Analyst'' by John Katzenbach features a mysterious murderer who signs with a bloody symbol, has a little cult of helpers and fights a mind games war against the protagonist, who is also a professional of the mind with blond hair who lost his wife. It even features a skeptical female police inspector who helps him for a time. The book was released in 2002, six years before the premiere of ''The Mentalist''.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: OlderThanTheyThink[=/=]SerialNumbersFiledOff: The novel ''The Analyst'' by John Katzenbach features a mysterious murderer who signs with a bloody circular symbol, has leads a little cult of helpers among which there is a seductress who is close to him, and fights a mind games war against the protagonist, who is also a professional of the mind with blond hair who lost got his life shattered after losing his wife. It even features a skeptical female police inspector who helps him for a time. The book was released in 2002, six years before the premiere of ''The Mentalist''.



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----* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Many believe that Brett Partridge was funny enough and had sufficiently interesting interactions with Jane to add him to the core characters in the CBI. Instead, he was a sporadic character who was only used as an incredibly unsubtle Red John RedHerring.
24th May '15 6:37:25 PM nombretomado
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* BaseBreaker: Red John: the best MythArc since Series/TheXFiles, or the most annoying ArcFatigue since HowIMetYourMother?

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* BaseBreaker: Red John: the best MythArc since Series/TheXFiles, or the most annoying ArcFatigue since HowIMetYourMother?''Series/HowIMetYourMother''?
11th Apr '15 11:00:30 AM Cieloazul
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* OneSceneWonder:

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* OneSceneWonder: OlderThanTheyThink: The novel ''The Analyst'' by John Katzenbach features a mysterious murderer who signs with a bloody symbol, has a little cult of helpers and fights a mind games war against the protagonist, who is also a professional of the mind with blond hair who lost his wife. It even features a skeptical female police inspector who helps him for a time. The book was released in 2002, six years before the premiere of ''The Mentalist''.
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23rd Mar '15 3:14:01 PM nombretomado
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* IKnewIt: In 6x09. Who ''didn't'' see "Kim's" and Abbot's [[{{Firefly}} sudden but inevitable betrayal]] coming? They're federal, it's what they do.

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* IKnewIt: In 6x09. Who ''didn't'' see "Kim's" and Abbot's [[{{Firefly}} [[{{Series/Firefly}} sudden but inevitable betrayal]] coming? They're federal, it's what they do.
28th Jan '15 6:04:50 PM JMQwilleran
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** There is of course the bipolar compromise of [[FanonDiscontinuty enjoying the episode in a vacuum]] yet despising it and everything that followed for what it did to the arc.

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** There is of course the bipolar compromise of [[FanonDiscontinuty [[FanonDiscontinuity enjoying the episode in a vacuum]] yet despising it and everything that followed for what it did to the arc.
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