History YMMV / TheMentalist

19th Aug '17 9:57:43 AM Silverblade2
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* BaseBreaker: Red John: the best MythArc since Series/TheXFiles, or the most annoying ArcFatigue since ''Series/HowIMetYourMother''?

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Red John: the best MythArc since Series/TheXFiles, or the most annoying ArcFatigue since ''Series/HowIMetYourMother''?



* TheScrappy: Red John was already a BaseBreakingCharacter (see BaseBreaker); but after he was revealed to be [[spoiler:[[AssPull Sheriff Thomas McAllister]] instead of any of the other, more-developed and more-interesting suspects]], he seemed to fall firmly into this territory.

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* TheScrappy: Red John was already a BaseBreakingCharacter (see BaseBreaker); ; but after he was revealed to be [[spoiler:[[AssPull Sheriff Thomas McAllister]] instead of any of the other, more-developed and more-interesting suspects]], he seemed to fall firmly into this territory.
12th Jul '17 9:30:00 AM Peridonyx
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** Thomas Volker one of the few villains to pull a KarmaHoudini.

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** Thomas Volker one of the few villains to pull a KarmaHoudini. [[spoiler:Which doesn't last, however.]]
15th Jun '17 10:32:05 AM Peridonyx
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* TheScrappy: Red John was already a BaseBreakingCharacter (see BaseBreaker); but after he was revealed to be [[spoiler:[[AssPull Sheriff Thomas McAllister]] instead of any of the other, more-developed and more-interesting suspects]], he seemed to fall firmly into this territory.
15th Jun '17 10:23:57 AM Peridonyx
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** In the end, [[spoiler:Red John himself]] -- courtesy of his [[spoiler:AssPull (see above) identity and AntiClimaxBoss death]] in the Season 6 finale.

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** In the end, [[spoiler:Red John himself]] -- courtesy of his [[spoiler:AssPull [[spoiler:his AssPull (see above) identity and AntiClimaxBoss death]] in the Season 6 finale.
15th Jun '17 10:22:35 AM Peridonyx
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Many believe that Brett Partridge was funny enough and had sufficiently interesting interactions with Jane to add him to the core characters in the CBI. Instead, he was a sporadic character who was only used as an incredibly unsubtle Red John RedHerring.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
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Many believe that Brett Partridge was funny enough and had sufficiently interesting interactions with Jane to add him to the core characters in the CBI. Instead, he was a sporadic character who was only used as an incredibly unsubtle Red John RedHerring.RedHerring.
** In the end, [[spoiler:Red John himself]] -- courtesy of his [[spoiler:AssPull (see above) identity and AntiClimaxBoss death]] in the Season 6 finale.
7th Mar '17 12:53:02 AM ACW
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** The [[ArchEnemy nemesis]] of Patrick Jane is [[BigBad Red John]] ([[spoiler:Sheriff Thomas [=McAllister=]]]), a {{sociopath}}ic SerialKiller whose sexual perversions and sadism led him to torture and kill women. Early in his career, Patrick Jane, then a phony psychic, said he would use his "powers" to help the police catch Red John. Unfortunately, Jane made the mistake of insulting Red John on the air, [[DisproportionateRetribution which caused the killer]] to murder Jane's wife and [[WouldHurtAChild young daughter]]. Years later, Red John is mostly "retired" from serial killing, but he still kills many, either to [[HeKnowsTooMuch silence loose ends]] or to [[CriminalMindGames play mind games with Jane]]. Some of Red John's crimes include killing a teenage girl and kidnapping her twin sister to lure Jane into a trap; having Sam Bosco's [=CBI=] team killed; kidnapping Kristina Frye and brainwashing her into [[EmptyShell believing she's dead]], all because she empathized with him on television; having Madeline Hightower's cousin tortured to death to get information on where she was hiding, then later sending a mole to kill her and her kids; trying to get Jane to kill his best friend and LoveInterest, Teresa Lisbon; killing a woman because [[EvilIsPetty Jane had a happy memory of her as a child]]; and decapitating the therapist who helped Jane recover from his psychological breakdown following his family's death. Red John is also the mastermind of [[spoiler:the Blake Association, a criminal conspiracy and protection racket for corrupt law enforcement officials]] and controls them from behind the scenes. In addition, Red John has his own [[PsychoSupporter devoted followers]], usually comprised of psychotics and serial killers, that help him in his crimes or vice versa. However, their lives mean nothing to him, and he either [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness kills them when they outlive their usefulness]] or [[DrivenToSuicide drives them to suicide]] in order to protect himself. Overall, Red John is a [[{{Narcissist}} raging narcissist]] with a massive ego and a god complex. He is driven by [[AttentionWhore an intense need for attention]] and gets off on the power he has by holding thousands of lives in his hands.

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** The [[BigBad Red John]]--[[spoiler:Sheriff Thomas [=McAllister=]]]--is Patrick Jane's [[ArchEnemy nemesis]] of Patrick Jane is [[BigBad Red John]] ([[spoiler:Sheriff Thomas [=McAllister=]]]), and a {{sociopath}}ic [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] SerialKiller whose sexual perversions responsible for torturing and sadism led him to torture and kill killing dozens of women. Early in his career, Patrick When Jane, then a phony psychic, said he would use his "powers" insulted Red John while offering to help the police catch Red John. Unfortunately, Jane made the mistake of insulting him, Red John on the air, [[DisproportionateRetribution which caused the killer]] to murder murdered]] Jane's wife and [[WouldHurtAChild young daughter]]. Years later, Red John is mostly "retired" from serial killing, but he still kills many, either John, although retired, commits a number of murders to [[HeKnowsTooMuch silence loose ends]] or to [[CriminalMindGames play mind games with torment Jane]]. Some of Red John's his worst crimes include killing a teenage girl and [[MindRape kidnapping her twin sister to lure Jane into a trap; having Sam Bosco's [=CBI=] team killed; kidnapping and brainwashing]] Kristina Frye and brainwashing her into [[EmptyShell believing that she's dead]], all because she empathized with him on television; having Madeline Hightower's cousin tortured to death to get information on where she was hiding, then later sending a mole to kill her and her kids; trying to get force Jane to kill his best friend and LoveInterest, Teresa Lisbon; Lisbon, killing a woman because [[EvilIsPetty Jane had a happy memory of her as a child]]; her]], and decapitating [[OffWithHisHead beheading]] the therapist who helped Jane recover from his psychological breakdown following after his family's death. Red John is also the The mastermind of [[spoiler:the Blake Association, a criminal conspiracy and protection racket for corrupt law enforcement officials]] officials]], and controls them from behind the scenes. In addition, Red John has leader of his own [[PsychoSupporter devoted followers]], usually comprised own group of psychotics and serial killers, that help him in his crimes or vice versa. However, their lives mean nothing to him, and he either [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killers]], Red John regularly [[BadBoss kills them when they outlive their usefulness]] his minions]] or [[DrivenToSuicide drives them to suicide]] in order to protect himself. Overall, Red John is a [[{{Narcissist}} when [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he has no further need of them]]. A raging narcissist]] with a massive ego and a god complex. He is {{narcissist}} driven by an [[AttentionWhore an intense need for attention]] and gets off on attention]], Red John revels in the power he has feels by holding thousands of lives in his hands.
5th Mar '17 5:18:31 AM ACW
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** The [[{{ArchEnemy}} nemesis]] of Patrick Jane is [[BigBad Red John]] ([[spoiler:Sheriff Thomas [=McAllister=]]]), a {{sociopath}}ic SerialKiller whose sexual perversions and sadism led him to torture and murder women. Early in his career, Patrick Jane, then a phony psychic, said he would use his "powers" to help the police catch Red John. Unfortunately, Jane made the mistake of insulting Red John on the air, [[DisproportionateRetribution which caused the killer]] to murder Jane's wife and [[WouldHurtAChild young daughter]]. Years later, Red John is mostly "retired" from serial killing, but he still kills many, either to [[HeKnowsTooMuch silence loose ends]] or to [[CriminalMindGames play mind games with Jane]]. Some of Red John's crimes include murdering a teenage girl and kidnapping her twin sister to lure Jane into a trap; having Sam Bosco's [=CBI=] team killed; kidnapping Kristina Frye and brainwashing her into [[EmptyShell believing she's dead]], all because she empathized with him on television; having Madeline Hightower's cousin tortured to death to get information on where she was hiding, then later sending a mole to murder her and her kids; trying to get Jane to murder his best friend and LoveInterest, Teresa Lisbon; murdering a woman because [[EvilIsPetty Jane had a happy memory of her as a child]]; and decapitating the therapist who helped Jane recover from his psychological breakdown following his family's death. Red John is also the mastermind of [[spoiler:the Blake Association, a criminal conspiracy and protection racket for corrupt law enforcement officials]] and controls them from behind the scenes. In addition, Red John has his own devoted followers, usually comprised of [[PsychoSupporter psychotics and killers]], that help him in his crimes or vice versa. However, their lives mean nothing to him, and he either [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness kills them when they outlive their usefulness]] or [[DrivenToSuicide drives them to suicide]] in order to protect himself. Overall, Red John is a [[{{Narcissist}} raging narcissist]] with a massive ego and a god complex. He is driven by [[AttentionWhore an intense need for attention]] and gets off on the power he has by holding thousands of lives in his hands.
** [[PsychoForHire Cale Sylvan]]m from season 2's "Blood Money"m distinguishes himself as a {{sociopath}} and a {{serial killer}} that just enjoys killing people. He makes his living as a [[ProfessionalKiller hitman]] because, in the words of Jane, "If you love what you do, you never work a day in your life." Already connected by the police with the "[[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident mysterious]]" deaths of seven people (drowning, hit-and-run, etc.), his most recent victim is a DA, Kelly Flower. Sylvan breaks into her home and murders her, but not before videotaping her begging for her life to keep as a trophy. When Jane assesses hes a sociopath, the CBI arrange a sting operation and send Agent Van Pelt to act as a buyer interested in procuring his services. Once he agrees to kill her target and shows her the video of him killing Kelly as proof that he can do it, hes quickly arrested. When he is released, the CBI find him at his Murder House. Inside hes watching TV, laughing and drinking, and as hes doing so, a man is duct-taped to a table in the kitchen, gagged and screaming for his life. Eventually Sylvan gets up and plans to start cutting the guy up before the police arrest him. Before Sylvan can give any information on who hired him to kill Ms. Flower, hes sniped from far away. Following his death, we see the CBI excavating his house where eight bodies have already been discovered in the front yard alone.
** Tommy Volkerm from season 5, is a CorruptCorporateExecutive responsible for the slaughter of over three hundred Amazonian tribesmen when they refused to relinquish their land so he could use it for development of his geothermal project. When a journalist finds evidence Volker was behind the massacre, he {{manipulat|iveBastard}}es an old friend into sabotaging her car. While his friend believed he was only pulling a prank, Volker intended her to die and had his assassin, Charles Milk, trail her. After her crash, Milk suffocated her, stole the evidence that implicated Volker, and Volker left his "friend" to serve as the fall guy for his scheme. At the same time, CBI Agent Teresa Lisbon convinced Volker's secretary, Rebecca Shaw, to provide evidence against him. In response, Volker visited Shaw that night with his assassin, and watched, [[PsychoticSmirk smiling]], as he strangled her to death. This apparently is a habit of Volker's, as he's also shown attending the strangulation of another employee who intended to reveal Volker's involvement in the Amazonian tribe massacre. Loyal employees fair little better with Volker as he has [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Charles Milk assassinated in a drive-by shooting, along with two innocent bystanders, when Lisbon got too close to Milk]], and later promised to kill another of his hired goons [[BadBoss just because the man was interrogated by the police]]. When Volker discovered a little boy had witnessed one of his crimes, he had no reservations in personally trying to [[WouldHurtAChild execute him]] when [[EvenEvilHasStandards other hitmen of his refused to do so.]] A [[TheSociopath cold-blooded sociopath]], Volker was driven by nothing other than a disturbing mixture of greed and sadism.

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** The [[{{ArchEnemy}} [[ArchEnemy nemesis]] of Patrick Jane is [[BigBad Red John]] ([[spoiler:Sheriff Thomas [=McAllister=]]]), a {{sociopath}}ic SerialKiller whose sexual perversions and sadism led him to torture and murder kill women. Early in his career, Patrick Jane, then a phony psychic, said he would use his "powers" to help the police catch Red John. Unfortunately, Jane made the mistake of insulting Red John on the air, [[DisproportionateRetribution which caused the killer]] to murder Jane's wife and [[WouldHurtAChild young daughter]]. Years later, Red John is mostly "retired" from serial killing, but he still kills many, either to [[HeKnowsTooMuch silence loose ends]] or to [[CriminalMindGames play mind games with Jane]]. Some of Red John's crimes include murdering killing a teenage girl and kidnapping her twin sister to lure Jane into a trap; having Sam Bosco's [=CBI=] team killed; kidnapping Kristina Frye and brainwashing her into [[EmptyShell believing she's dead]], all because she empathized with him on television; having Madeline Hightower's cousin tortured to death to get information on where she was hiding, then later sending a mole to murder kill her and her kids; trying to get Jane to murder kill his best friend and LoveInterest, Teresa Lisbon; murdering killing a woman because [[EvilIsPetty Jane had a happy memory of her as a child]]; and decapitating the therapist who helped Jane recover from his psychological breakdown following his family's death. Red John is also the mastermind of [[spoiler:the Blake Association, a criminal conspiracy and protection racket for corrupt law enforcement officials]] and controls them from behind the scenes. In addition, Red John has his own [[PsychoSupporter devoted followers, followers]], usually comprised of [[PsychoSupporter psychotics and killers]], serial killers, that help him in his crimes or vice versa. However, their lives mean nothing to him, and he either [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness kills them when they outlive their usefulness]] or [[DrivenToSuicide drives them to suicide]] in order to protect himself. Overall, Red John is a [[{{Narcissist}} raging narcissist]] with a massive ego and a god complex. He is driven by [[AttentionWhore an intense need for attention]] and gets off on the power he has by holding thousands of lives in his hands.
** [[PsychoForHire Cale Sylvan]]m Sylvan]], from season 2's "Blood Money"m Money", distinguishes himself as a {{sociopath}} [[TheSociopath sociopath]] and a {{serial killer}} that SerialKiller who just enjoys killing people. He makes his living as a [[ProfessionalKiller hitman]] because, in the words of Jane, "If you love what you do, you never work a day in your life." Already connected by the police with the "[[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident mysterious]]" deaths of seven people (drowning, hit-and-run, etc.), his most recent victim is a DA, Kelly Flower. Sylvan breaks into her home and murders her, but not before videotaping her begging for her life to keep as a trophy. When Jane assesses hes a sociopath, the CBI arrange a sting operation and send Agent Van Pelt to act as a buyer interested in procuring his services. Once he agrees to kill her target and shows her the video of him killing Kelly as proof that he can do it, hes quickly arrested. When he is released, the CBI find him at his Murder House. Inside hes watching TV, laughing and drinking, and as hes doing so, a man is duct-taped to a table in the kitchen, gagged and screaming for his life. Eventually Sylvan gets up and plans to start cutting the guy up before the police arrest him. Before Sylvan can give any information on who hired him to kill Ms. Flower, hes sniped from far away. Following his death, we see the CBI excavating his house where eight bodies have already been discovered in the front yard alone.
** Tommy Volkerm Volker, from season 5, is a CorruptCorporateExecutive responsible for the slaughter of over three hundred Amazonian tribesmen when they refused to relinquish their land so he could use it for development of his geothermal project. When a journalist finds evidence Volker was behind the massacre, he {{manipulat|iveBastard}}es an old friend into sabotaging her car. While his friend believed he was only pulling a prank, Volker intended her to die and had his assassin, Charles Milk, trail her. After her crash, Milk suffocated her, stole the evidence that implicated Volker, and Volker left his "friend" to serve as the fall guy for his scheme. At the same time, CBI Agent Teresa Lisbon convinced Volker's secretary, Rebecca Shaw, to provide evidence against him. In response, Volker visited Shaw that night with his assassin, and watched, [[PsychoticSmirk smiling]], as he strangled her to death. This apparently is a habit of Volker's, as he's also shown attending the strangulation of another employee who intended to reveal Volker's involvement in the Amazonian tribe massacre. Loyal employees fair little better with Volker as he has [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Charles Milk assassinated in a drive-by shooting, along with two innocent bystanders, when Lisbon got too close to Milk]], and later promised to kill another of his hired goons [[BadBoss just because the man was interrogated by the police]]. When Volker discovered a little boy had witnessed one of his crimes, he had no reservations in personally trying to [[WouldHurtAChild execute him]] when [[EvenEvilHasStandards other hitmen of his refused to do so.]] A [[TheSociopath cold-blooded sociopath]], Volker was driven by nothing other than a disturbing mixture of greed {{greed}} and sadism.{{sadis|t}}m.
25th Feb '17 12:39:00 PM ACW
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** [[PsychoForHire Cale Sylvan]] from season 2's "Blood Money" distinguishes himself as a {{sociopath}} and a {{serial killer}} that just enjoys killing people. He makes his living as a [[ProfessionalKiller hitman]] because, in the words of Jane, "If you love what you do, you never work a day in your life." Already connected by the police with the "[[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident mysterious]]" deaths of seven people (drowning, hit-and-run, etc.), his most recent victim is a DA, Kelly Flower. Sylvan breaks into her home and murders her, but not before videotaping her begging for her life to keep as a trophy. When Jane assesses hes a sociopath, the CBI arrange a sting operation and send Agent Van Pelt to act as a buyer interested in procuring his services. Once he agrees to kill her target and shows her the video of him killing Kelly as proof that he can do it, hes quickly arrested. When he is released, the CBI find him at his Murder House. Inside hes watching TV, laughing and drinking, and as hes doing so, a man is duct-taped to a table in the kitchen, gagged and screaming for his life. Eventually Sylvan gets up and plans to start cutting the guy up before the police arrest him. Before Sylvan can give any information on who hired him to kill Ms. Flower, hes sniped from far away. Following his death, we see the CBI excavating his house where eight bodies have already been discovered in the front yard alone.
** Tommy Volker from season 5 is a CorruptCorporateExecutive responsible for the slaughter of over three hundred Amazonian tribesmen when they refused to relinquish their land so he could use it for development of his geothermal project. When a journalist finds evidence Volker was behind the massacre, he {{manipulat|iveBastard}}es an old friend into sabotaging her car. While his friend believed he was only pulling a prank, Volker intended her to die and had his assassin, Charles Milk, trail her. After her crash, Milk suffocated her, stole the evidence that implicated Volker, and Volker left his "friend" to serve as the fall guy for his scheme. At the same time, CBI Agent Teresa Lisbon convinced Volker's secretary, Rebecca Shaw, to provide evidence against him. In response, Volker visited Shaw that night with his assassin, and watched, [[PsychoticSmirk smiling]], as he strangled her to death. This apparently is a habit of Volker's, as he's also shown attending the strangulation of another employee who intended to reveal Volker's involvement in the Amazonian tribe massacre. Loyal employees fair little better with Volker as he has [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Charles Milk assassinated in a drive-by shooting, along with two innocent bystanders, when Lisbon got too close to Milk]], and later promised to kill another of his hired goons [[BadBoss just because the man was interrogated by the police]]. When Volker discovered a little boy had witnessed one of his crimes, he had no reservations in personally trying to [[WouldHurtAChild execute him]] when [[EvenEvilHasStandards other hitmen of his refused to do so.]] A [[TheSociopath cold-blooded sociopath]], Volker was driven by nothing other than a disturbing mixture of greed and sadism.

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** [[PsychoForHire Cale Sylvan]] Sylvan]]m from season 2's "Blood Money" Money"m distinguishes himself as a {{sociopath}} and a {{serial killer}} that just enjoys killing people. He makes his living as a [[ProfessionalKiller hitman]] because, in the words of Jane, "If you love what you do, you never work a day in your life." Already connected by the police with the "[[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident mysterious]]" deaths of seven people (drowning, hit-and-run, etc.), his most recent victim is a DA, Kelly Flower. Sylvan breaks into her home and murders her, but not before videotaping her begging for her life to keep as a trophy. When Jane assesses hes a sociopath, the CBI arrange a sting operation and send Agent Van Pelt to act as a buyer interested in procuring his services. Once he agrees to kill her target and shows her the video of him killing Kelly as proof that he can do it, hes quickly arrested. When he is released, the CBI find him at his Murder House. Inside hes watching TV, laughing and drinking, and as hes doing so, a man is duct-taped to a table in the kitchen, gagged and screaming for his life. Eventually Sylvan gets up and plans to start cutting the guy up before the police arrest him. Before Sylvan can give any information on who hired him to kill Ms. Flower, hes sniped from far away. Following his death, we see the CBI excavating his house where eight bodies have already been discovered in the front yard alone.
** Tommy Volker Volkerm from season 5 5, is a CorruptCorporateExecutive responsible for the slaughter of over three hundred Amazonian tribesmen when they refused to relinquish their land so he could use it for development of his geothermal project. When a journalist finds evidence Volker was behind the massacre, he {{manipulat|iveBastard}}es an old friend into sabotaging her car. While his friend believed he was only pulling a prank, Volker intended her to die and had his assassin, Charles Milk, trail her. After her crash, Milk suffocated her, stole the evidence that implicated Volker, and Volker left his "friend" to serve as the fall guy for his scheme. At the same time, CBI Agent Teresa Lisbon convinced Volker's secretary, Rebecca Shaw, to provide evidence against him. In response, Volker visited Shaw that night with his assassin, and watched, [[PsychoticSmirk smiling]], as he strangled her to death. This apparently is a habit of Volker's, as he's also shown attending the strangulation of another employee who intended to reveal Volker's involvement in the Amazonian tribe massacre. Loyal employees fair little better with Volker as he has [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Charles Milk assassinated in a drive-by shooting, along with two innocent bystanders, when Lisbon got too close to Milk]], and later promised to kill another of his hired goons [[BadBoss just because the man was interrogated by the police]]. When Volker discovered a little boy had witnessed one of his crimes, he had no reservations in personally trying to [[WouldHurtAChild execute him]] when [[EvenEvilHasStandards other hitmen of his refused to do so.]] A [[TheSociopath cold-blooded sociopath]], Volker was driven by nothing other than a disturbing mixture of greed and sadism.
1st Feb '17 9:51:55 AM Cieloazul
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* TheChrisCarterEffect: The Red John MythArc has become far more elaborate and convoluted than originally intended. While it appears that Bruno Heller always knew who Red John was going to be (or picked his possible choices early on, at least), the character went from a particularly devious SerialKiller who knew how to cover his tracks, to a SerialKiller who knew a few other killers, to a SerialKiller with a shadow army of fanatically devoted, loyal-unto-death brainwashed followers. In season 6 they took his catchphrase ("Tiger, Tiger") and decided to turn what looked like a cult into a sophisticated criminal organization that nobody had heard of, and made Red John a possible member, to a possible ''senior'' member, and finally into the apparent mastermind of the whole thing. Oh, and he's repeatedly performing "psychic" feats that make Jane look like an amateur, that are never explained. Beyond a certain point he's basically a supervillain and you have to start wondering why he ever resorted to anything as trivial as serial murder in the first place. TheReveal that he is [[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]] only raised further issues, as many clues that were dropped about Red John turn out to be irrelevant (his height, for instance- the actor in question is taller than Red John was stated to be). Practically all of the clues that pointed to him were only dropped in the sixth season, the one he was revealed in; most clues from previous seasons were never mentioned again. There are also logistical questions that push it into FridgeLogic territory, such as how he can keep showing up and killing in Sacremento, where the team is based, especially in his last season, [[spoiler: when he's supposed to be a small-town sheriff from Santa Monica, hundreds of miles away.]]

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* TheChrisCarterEffect: The Red John MythArc has become far more elaborate and convoluted than originally intended. While it appears that Bruno Heller always knew who Red John was going to be (or (although even that notion is contested by some) or at least picked his possible choices early on, at least), the character went from a particularly devious SerialKiller who knew how to cover his tracks, to a SerialKiller who knew a few other killers, to a SerialKiller with a shadow army of fanatically devoted, loyal-unto-death brainwashed followers. In season 6 they took his catchphrase ("Tiger, Tiger") and decided to turn what looked like a cult into a sophisticated criminal organization that nobody had heard of, and made Red John a possible member, to a possible ''senior'' member, and finally into the apparent mastermind of the whole thing. Oh, and he's repeatedly performing "psychic" feats that make Jane look like an amateur, that are never explained. Beyond a certain point he's basically a supervillain and you have to start wondering why he ever resorted to anything as trivial as serial murder in the first place. TheReveal that he is [[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]] only raised further issues, as many clues that were dropped about Red John turn out to be irrelevant (his height, for instance- the actor in question is taller than Red John was stated to be). Practically be) while practically all of the clues that pointed to him were only dropped in the sixth season, the one he was revealed in; most clues from previous seasons were never mentioned again. There are also logistical questions that push it into FridgeLogic territory, such as how he can keep showing up and killing in Sacremento, where the team is based, especially in his last season, [[spoiler: when he's supposed to be a small-town sheriff from Santa Monica, hundreds of miles away.]]
26th Oct '16 5:35:06 PM LadWatcher
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* WhatAnIdiot: A lot of Patrick's schemes work because the killer didn't stop to think things through.
** The killer in ''Red-Handed'' is completely aware that whoever has the victim's lucky poker chip would immediately become a major suspect yet he ''bets'' said poker chip on a game. He's arrested less than two minutes after.

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* WhatAnIdiot: A lot of Patrick's schemes work because the killer didn't stop to think things through.
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The killer in ''Red-Handed'' is completely aware that whoever has the victim's lucky poker chip would immediately become a major suspect as well as the fact that Patrick is investigating the case yet he ''bets'' said poker chip on a game.game against Patrick. He's arrested less than two minutes after.
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