History YMMV / TheMentalist

6th Nov '15 7:54:19 PM MrCaptainA
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** Red John/[[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]]. Just what are his backstory and motivations? What led him to become a serial killer? Why is it that he seems to have absolutely no remorse for actions, but instead views them as NecessarilyEvil? It's revealed throughout the course of the show that he does not view himself as weak, unhappy, evil or in need of redemption, and that he does not feel himself deserving of punishment for his deeds, so what does that make him? Is he some sort of KnighTemplar or WellIntentionedExtremist? Does he suffer from BlueandOrangeMorality, BlackAndWhiteInsanity, or a little bit of both? Or is he just plain bonkers with delusions of grandeur? And did he start killing people before or after he [[spoiler: became a sherriff]]?

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** Red John/[[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]]. Just what are his backstory and motivations? What led him to become a serial killer? Why is it that he seems to have absolutely no remorse for actions, but instead views them as NecessarilyEvil? It's revealed throughout the course of the show that he does not view himself as weak, unhappy, evil or in need of redemption, and that he does not feel himself deserving of punishment for his deeds, so what does that make him? Is he some sort of KnighTemplar KnightTemplar or WellIntentionedExtremist? Does he suffer from BlueandOrangeMorality, BlackAndWhiteInsanity, or a little bit of both? Or is he just plain bonkers with delusions of grandeur? And did he start killing people before or after he [[spoiler: became a sherriff]]?
6th Nov '15 7:53:57 PM MrCaptainA
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** Red John/[[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]]. Just what are his backstory and motivations? What led him to become a serial killer? Why is it that he seems to have absolutely no remorse for actions, but instead views them as NecessarilyEvil? It's revealed throughout the course of the show that he does not view himself as weak, unhappy, evil or in need of redemption, and that he does not feel himself deserving of punishment for his deeds, so what does that make him? Is he some sort of KnighTemplar or WellIntentionedExtremist? Does he suffer from BlueandOrangeMorality, BlackAndWhiteInsanity, or a little bit of both? Or is he just plain bonkers with delusions of grandeur? And did he start killing people before or after he [[spoiler: became a sherriff]]?


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* VillainBall: The only reason Jane ever gets in a position to defeat Red John is due to the latter possessing one of these. Despite knowing all too well that Jane wants him dead for what he did to Jane's family, a combination of WorthyOpponent, TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou, and WeCanRuleTogether leads Red John to keep Jane alive--and in a position to one day kill him--instead of killing Jane first out of self-preservation.
17th Sep '15 4:31:51 PM Cieloazul
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** For many, TheReveal that Red John was [[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]] falls into this. Mostly because so little evidence over the course of the series pointed to him- except for evidence in season 6, the season he was revealed-, and because it doesn't easily jive with what we ''did'' know about Red John. Not to mention, any motive or backstory Red John had was dismissed by Jane as irrelevant, so we learn little about him beyond the fact that this man was Red John, and many of his impressive- nigh impossible- feats are given no explanation.

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** ** For many, TheReveal that Red John was [[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]] falls into this. Mostly because so little evidence over the course of the series pointed to him- except for evidence in season 6, the season he was revealed-, and because it doesn't easily jive with what we ''did'' know about Red John. Not to mention, any motive or backstory Red John had was dismissed by Jane as irrelevant, so we learn little about him beyond the fact that this man was Red John, and many of his impressive- nigh impossible- feats are given no explanation.



* OlderThanTheyThink: The novel ''The Analyst'' by John Katzenbach features a mysterious murderer who signs with a bloody symbol, has a little cult of helpers and fights a mind games war against the protagonist, who is also a professional of the mind with blond hair who lost his wife. It even features a skeptical female police inspector who helps him for a time. The book was released in 2002, six years before the premiere of ''The Mentalist''.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: OlderThanTheyThink[=/=]SerialNumbersFiledOff: The novel ''The Analyst'' by John Katzenbach features a mysterious murderer who signs with a bloody circular symbol, has leads a little cult of helpers among which there is a seductress who is close to him, and fights a mind games war against the protagonist, who is also a professional of the mind with blond hair who lost got his life shattered after losing his wife. It even features a skeptical female police inspector who helps him for a time. The book was released in 2002, six years before the premiere of ''The Mentalist''.



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----* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Many believe that Brett Partridge was funny enough and had sufficiently interesting interactions with Jane to add him to the core characters in the CBI. Instead, he was a sporadic character who was only used as an incredibly unsubtle Red John RedHerring.
24th May '15 6:37:25 PM nombretomado
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* BaseBreaker: Red John: the best MythArc since Series/TheXFiles, or the most annoying ArcFatigue since HowIMetYourMother?

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* BaseBreaker: Red John: the best MythArc since Series/TheXFiles, or the most annoying ArcFatigue since HowIMetYourMother?''Series/HowIMetYourMother''?
11th Apr '15 11:00:30 AM Cieloazul
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* OneSceneWonder:

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* OneSceneWonder: OlderThanTheyThink: The novel ''The Analyst'' by John Katzenbach features a mysterious murderer who signs with a bloody symbol, has a little cult of helpers and fights a mind games war against the protagonist, who is also a professional of the mind with blond hair who lost his wife. It even features a skeptical female police inspector who helps him for a time. The book was released in 2002, six years before the premiere of ''The Mentalist''.
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23rd Mar '15 3:14:01 PM nombretomado
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* IKnewIt: In 6x09. Who ''didn't'' see "Kim's" and Abbot's [[{{Firefly}} sudden but inevitable betrayal]] coming? They're federal, it's what they do.

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* IKnewIt: In 6x09. Who ''didn't'' see "Kim's" and Abbot's [[{{Firefly}} [[{{Series/Firefly}} sudden but inevitable betrayal]] coming? They're federal, it's what they do.
28th Jan '15 6:04:50 PM JMQwilleran
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** There is of course the bipolar compromise of [[FanonDiscontinuty enjoying the episode in a vacuum]] yet despising it and everything that followed for what it did to the arc.

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** There is of course the bipolar compromise of [[FanonDiscontinuty [[FanonDiscontinuity enjoying the episode in a vacuum]] yet despising it and everything that followed for what it did to the arc.
15th Dec '14 5:32:40 PM Keshia
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Dennis Abbott was hated for his role in breaking up the team while Jane was trying to get to Red John. He is now universally adored by the fandom due to his [[ShipperOnDeck blatant, shameless shipping of Jane and Lisbon.]]
22nd Nov '14 6:43:44 PM canIusethishandle
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** For many, TheReveal that Red John was [[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]] falls into this. Mostly because so little evidence over the course of the series pointed to him- except for evidence in season 6, the season he was revealed-, and because it doesn't easily jive with what we ''did'' know about Red John. Not to mention, any motive or backstory Red John had was dismissed by Jane as irrelevant, so we learn little about him beyond the fact that this man was Red John, and many of his impressive- night impossible- feats are given no explanation.

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** For many, TheReveal that Red John was [[spoiler: Sherriff [=McCallister=]]] falls into this. Mostly because so little evidence over the course of the series pointed to him- except for evidence in season 6, the season he was revealed-, and because it doesn't easily jive with what we ''did'' know about Red John. Not to mention, any motive or backstory Red John had was dismissed by Jane as irrelevant, so we learn little about him beyond the fact that this man was Red John, and many of his impressive- night nigh impossible- feats are given no explanation.
22nd Nov '14 6:41:27 PM canIusethishandle
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* AngstWhatAngst: Everyone that has worked for Red John seems to treat his gruesome actions as well as the actions they do for him with the same amount of emotion as if he simply asked them to pick up something from the grocery story.

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* AngstWhatAngst: Everyone that has worked for Red John seems to treat his gruesome actions as well as the actions they do for him with the same amount of emotion as if he simply asked them to pick up something from the grocery story.store.
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