Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / TheHollowCrown

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* QuestionableCasting: Casting Creator/BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, and he naturally has an unusual look to him, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him... This irony may be seen as in-universe as well - right after this scene follows the one where he manages to woo Anne over the coffin of the dead king, to even his own amazement.

to:

* QuestionableCasting: Casting Creator/BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, and he naturally has an unusual look to him, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him... him. This irony may be seen as in-universe as well - right well—right after this scene follows the one where he manages to woo Anne over the coffin of the dead king, to even his own amazement.

Added: 520

Changed: 517

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Renamed trope


* QuestionableCasting: Casting Creator/BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, and he naturally has an unusual look to him, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him... This irony may be seen as in-universe as well - right after this scene follows the one where he manages to woo Anne over the coffin of the dead king, to even his own amazement.



* WTHCastingAgency: Casting Creator/BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, and he naturally has an unusual look to him, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him... This irony may be seen as in-universe as well - right after this scene follows the one where he manages to woo Anne over the coffin of the dead king, to even his own amazement.

to:

* WTHCastingAgency: Casting Creator/BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, and he naturally has an unusual look to him, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him... This irony may be seen as in-universe as well - right after this scene follows the one where he manages to woo Anne over the coffin of the dead king, to even his own amazement.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Intentional or not, Season 2 / ''The Wars of the Roses'' attracted no shortage of political subtext, especially as a) the ColorBlindCasting (particularly that of Creator/SophieOkonedo) attracted much racist abuse in online media and b) the series came out just a month before the 2016 European Union referendum that led to "Brexit". The fact that Richard III's RousingSpeech at Bosworth can be easily read as xenophobic/anti-immigrant harangue (thrown against the invasion of Henry Tudor) is difficult to ignore--regardless of one's sympathies to Richard III's historical rehabilitation.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* WTHCastingAgency: Casting Creator/BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, and he naturally has an unusual look to him, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him...

to:

* WTHCastingAgency: Casting Creator/BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, and he naturally has an unusual look to him, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him...
him... This irony may be seen as in-universe as well - right after this scene follows the one where he manages to woo Anne over the coffin of the dead king, to even his own amazement.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* DracoInLeatherPants: Bordering on an InUniverse example and perhaps somewhat inevitable [[Creator/BenedictCumberbatch given the casting]], but Richard III certainly qualifies. Regardless of history, in the plays the series is based on, Richard is undoubtedly a villain (and even admits as such) but the series portrays him as being practically forced into it and it's not unknown for viewers to try and make even more excuses for the terrible things he does.

to:

* DracoInLeatherPants: Bordering on an InUniverse example and perhaps somewhat inevitable [[Creator/BenedictCumberbatch given the casting]], but Richard III certainly qualifies. Regardless of history, in the plays the series is based on, Richard is undoubtedly a villain (and even admits as such) but the series portrays him as being practically forced into it and it's not unknown for viewers to try and make even more excuses for the terrible things he does. The fact that [[RealitySubtext the series came out in an arguable time of pro-Ricardian renaissance]] ([[DueToTheDead what with the real Richard III's rediscovered remains]] [[MeaningfulFuneral having been just reburied with a state funeral]] a year prior to the debut of the show) probably adds to it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


-->- ''"I muse why she's at liberty."''

to:

-->- --> ''"I muse why she's at liberty."''

Added: 39

Changed: 32

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* NarmCharm: The fact that Margaret, after her defeat at Tewkesbury, is apparently allowed to just wander around the palace making cursed prophecies. It adds a quite unintentional note of absurdity to the events of ''Richard III''.

to:

* NarmCharm: The fact that Margaret, after her defeat at Tewkesbury, is apparently allowed to just wander around the palace making cursed prophecies. It adds a quite unintentional note of absurdity to the events of ''Richard III''. It's even lampshaded by Rivers:
-->- ''"I muse why she's at liberty."''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* NarmCharm: The fact that Margaret, after her defeat at Tewkesbury, is apparently allowed to just wander around the palace making cursed prophecies.

to:

* NarmCharm: The fact that Margaret, after her defeat at Tewkesbury, is apparently allowed to just wander around the palace making cursed prophecies. It adds a quite unintentional note of absurdity to the events of ''Richard III''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The extemporised play between Hal and Falstaff at the Boar's Head is one of the great comic scenes--made even better when Tom Hiddleston takes the role of the king and does his best Jeremy Irons.

to:

* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The extemporised play between Hal and Falstaff at the Boar's Head is one of the great comic scenes--made even better when Tom Hiddleston Creator/TomHiddleston takes the role of the king and does his best Jeremy Irons.Creator/JeremyIrons.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* NarmCharm: The fact that Margaret, after her defeat at Tewkesbury, is apparently allowed to just wander around the palace making cursed prophecies.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ValuesDissonance: In Shakespeare's time, physical disabilities were considered a sign of a person's evil and/or punishment from God (not that writers don't still [[EvilCripple use this trope]], but the attitude isn't ''quite'' so accepted nowadays). That can make it jarring to watch even Henry VI insulting Richard solely on the basis of his disability, rather than his actions.

to:

* ValuesDissonance: In Shakespeare's time, physical disabilities were considered a sign of a person's evil and/or punishment from God (not that writers don't still [[EvilCripple use this trope]], but the attitude isn't ''quite'' so accepted nowadays). at least they get criticized for it now). That can make it jarring to watch even the pure-hearted Henry VI insulting Richard skip over Richard's reprehensible ''choices'' and insult him solely on the basis of his disability, rather than his actions.disability.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Red link


* FunnyMoments: The extemporised play between Hal and Falstaff at the Boar's Head is one of the great comic scenes--made even better when Tom Hiddleston takes the role of the king and does his best Jeremy Irons.

to:

* FunnyMoments: SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The extemporised play between Hal and Falstaff at the Boar's Head is one of the great comic scenes--made even better when Tom Hiddleston takes the role of the king and does his best Jeremy Irons.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ValuesDissonance: In Shakespeare's time, physical disabilities were considered a sign of a person's evil and/or punishment from God (not that writers don't still [[EvilCripple use this trope]], but the attitude isn't ''quite'' so accepted nowadays). That can make it jarring to watch even Henry VI insulting Richard solely on the basis of his disability, rather than his actions.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* GrowingTheBeard: Literally, in Henry V's case. Tom Hiddleston goes from clean shaven as Prince Hal in ''Henry VI'' Parts 1 & 2 to sporting a beard for ''Henry V''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FunnyMoments: The extemporised play between Hal and Falstaff at the Boar's Head is one of the great comic scenes--made even better when Tom Hiddleston takes the role of the king and does his best Jeremy Irons.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Adding a trope

Added DiffLines:

* GrowingTheBeard: Literally, in Henry V's case. Tom Hiddleston goes from clean shaven as Prince Hal in ''Henry VI'' Parts 1 & 2 to sporting a beard for ''Henry V''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: We never see Falstaff again after the newly-crowned Henry V publicly sheds all association with him at the end of ''Theatre/HenryIVPart2''. He dies offscreen at the start of ''Theatre/HenryV'' and his reaction to Henry's desertion is only exposited through the minor characters of his friends. (This also occurred in reality: Falstaff proved so popular with audiences that Shakespeare ended up writing TheMerryWivesOfWindsor in which Falstaff is a major character).

to:

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: We never see Falstaff again after the newly-crowned Henry V publicly sheds all association with him at the end of ''Theatre/HenryIVPart2''. He dies offscreen at the start of ''Theatre/HenryV'' and his reaction to Henry's desertion is only exposited through the minor characters of his friends. (This also occurred in reality: Falstaff proved so popular with audiences that Shakespeare ended up writing TheMerryWivesOfWindsor ''Theatre/TheMerryWivesOfWindsor'' in which Falstaff is a major character).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* WTHCastingAgency: Casting Creator/BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him...

to:

* WTHCastingAgency: Casting Creator/BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, and he naturally has an unusual look to him, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* WTHCastingAgency: Casting Creator/BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him...

to:

* WTHCastingAgency: Casting Creator/BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him...him...

----
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: We never see Falstaff again after the newly-crowned Henry V publicly sheds all association with him at the end of ''HenryIVPart2''. He dies offscreen at the start of ''Theatre/HenryV'' and his reaction to Henry's desertion is only exposited through the minor characters of his friends. (This also occurred in reality: Falstaff proved so popular with audiences that Shakespeare ended up writing TheMerryWivesOfWindsor in which Falstaff is a major character).

to:

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: We never see Falstaff again after the newly-crowned Henry V publicly sheds all association with him at the end of ''HenryIVPart2''.''Theatre/HenryIVPart2''. He dies offscreen at the start of ''Theatre/HenryV'' and his reaction to Henry's desertion is only exposited through the minor characters of his friends. (This also occurred in reality: Falstaff proved so popular with audiences that Shakespeare ended up writing TheMerryWivesOfWindsor in which Falstaff is a major character).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* JustHereForGodzilla: Considering both series have AllStarCasts, there is a considerable portion of the audience who only tuned in for that reason.

to:

* JustHereForGodzilla: Considering both series have AllStarCasts, {{All Star Cast}}s, there is a considerable portion of the audience who only tuned in for that reason.



* WTHCastingAgency: Casting BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him...

to:

* WTHCastingAgency: Casting BenedictCumberbatch Creator/BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BrokenBase: The existence of the 2016 continuation provoked this. Some people were happy that the Histories would be completed with the * Wars of the Roses cycle, others felt it was a needless extension of something that was close to perfect. The casting of said series then caused its own BrokenBase.

to:

* BrokenBase: The existence of the 2016 continuation provoked this. Some people were happy that the Histories would be completed with the * Wars of the Roses cycle, others felt it was a needless extension of something that was close to perfect. The casting of said series then caused its own BrokenBase.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: We never see Falstaff again after the newly-crowned Henry V publicly sheds all association with him at the end of ''HenryIVPart2''. He dies offscreen at the start of ''HenryV'' and his reaction to Henry's desertion is only exposited through the minor characters of his friends. (This also occurred in reality: Falstaff proved so popular with audiences that Shakespeare ended up writing TheMerryWivesOfWindsor in which Falstaff is a major character).

to:

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: We never see Falstaff again after the newly-crowned Henry V publicly sheds all association with him at the end of ''HenryIVPart2''. He dies offscreen at the start of ''HenryV'' ''Theatre/HenryV'' and his reaction to Henry's desertion is only exposited through the minor characters of his friends. (This also occurred in reality: Falstaff proved so popular with audiences that Shakespeare ended up writing TheMerryWivesOfWindsor in which Falstaff is a major character).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: It's Shakespeare, so this is practically a given. And in fact the entire series practically ''thrives'' on this.
* BrokenBase: The existence of the 2016 continuation provoked this. Some people were happy that the Histories would be completed with the * Wars of the Roses cycle, others felt it was a needless extension of something that was close to perfect. The casting of said series then caused its own BrokenBase.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Bordering on an InUniverse example and perhaps somewhat inevitable [[Creator/BenedictCumberbatch given the casting]], but Richard III certainly qualifies. Regardless of history, in the plays the series is based on, Richard is undoubtedly a villain (and even admits as such) but the series portrays him as being practically forced into it and it's not unknown for viewers to try and make even more excuses for the terrible things he does.
* EvilIsCool: Richard III practically embodies this trope. He murders his way to power ([[WouldHurtAChild even killing his nephews]]), and is generally horrible...but he's also a DeadpanSnarker and is more than capable of overcoming his disabilities and holding his own in a fight.
* JustHereForGodzilla: Considering both series have AllStarCasts, there is a considerable portion of the audience who only tuned in for that reason.
* RootingForTheEmpire: Technically, you're not supposed to be rooting for Richard III at all. Doesn't seem to stop most people.
* ToughActToFollow: Many considered this to be the case when the Wars of the Roses cycle was announced since the previous series had been so well-received.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: We never see Falstaff again after the newly-crowned Henry V publicly sheds all association with him at the end of ''HenryIVPart2''. He dies offscreen at the start of ''HenryV'' and his reaction to Henry's desertion is only exposited through the minor characters of his friends. (This also occurred in reality: Falstaff proved so popular with audiences that Shakespeare ended up writing TheMerryWivesOfWindsor in which Falstaff is a major character).
* WTHCastingAgency: Casting BenedictCumberbatch as a deformed and undesirable (a fact he is constantly lamenting) murderer... In fairness, they do their best to make him look bad, but it still comes off almost silly whenever Richard starts moaning about how no one would ever love him...

Top