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** Is Yvonne [[spoiler: an AlternateSelf of [[Fanfic/PacificWorldWarIIUsNavyShipgirls Pacific's Enterprise]] ]] or [[spoiler: a CaptainErsatz of her]]? WordOfGod from the authors of both fics heavily imply the former, while those on the forums and discussions say it's the latter.

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** Is Yvonne [[spoiler: an AlternateSelf of [[Fanfic/PacificWorldWarIIUsNavyShipgirls Pacific's Enterprise]] ]] or [[spoiler: a CaptainErsatz of her]]? WordOfGod from the authors of both fics heavily imply the former, former (not to mention acknowledging one another's works), while those on the forums and discussions say it's the latter.
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** Is Yvonne [[spoiler: an AlternateSelf of [[Fanfic/PacificWorldWarIIUsNavyShipgirls Pacific's Enterprise]] ]] or [[spoiler: a CaptainErsatz of her]]. WordOfGod from the authors of both fics heavily imply the former, while those on the forums and discussions say it's the latter.

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** Is Yvonne [[spoiler: an AlternateSelf of [[Fanfic/PacificWorldWarIIUsNavyShipgirls Pacific's Enterprise]] ]] or [[spoiler: a CaptainErsatz of her]]. her]]? WordOfGod from the authors of both fics heavily imply the former, while those on the forums and discussions say it's the latter.
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** Is Yvonne [[spoiler: an AlternateSelf of [[Fanfic/PacificWorldWarIIUsNavyShipgirls Pacific's Enterprise]] ]] or [[spoiler: a CaptainErsatz of her]]. WordOfGod from the authors of both fics heavily imply the former, while those on the forums and discussions say it's the latter.

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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest ([[spoiler:an Abyssal carrier task force with seven Nu-class light carriers and an unknown - After all, the track record of surface combatants without air cover against air power is less than stellar. Just ask Repulse and Prince of Wales about what happened off the east coast of then-Malaya. Or Yamato about a little thing called Ten-Go. Any sailor can tell you that the odds of a surface combatant getting into gun range of a carrier and slipping through the detection of both the combat air patrol and escorts are tiny.]]).
** Of course, any apologetic argument kind of hits a brick wall due to one tiny, but vital, detail: '''[[MoralEventHorizon the man abandoned]]''' '' '''[[AMillionIsAStatistic 1.5 MILLION CIVILIANS PLUS 100,000 REFUGEES]]''' '' '''[[InferredHolocaust to their deaths]]''' at the hands of the [[EldritchAbomination Abyssals]]. As anyone with a military background (or at least access to someone who does) will tell you: [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Tactically sound or not, unless he had explicit standing orders to pull out should something like Okinawa happen, Shimada and his precious fleet were forfeit if there were still civilians on the island]].

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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem hatred for his actions at Okinawa (choosing to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, retreat instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest ([[spoiler:an Abyssal carrier task force with seven Nu-class light carriers and an unknown - After all, the track record of surface combatants without air cover against air power is less than stellar. Just ask Repulse and Prince of Wales about what happened off the east coast of then-Malaya. Or Yamato about a little thing called Ten-Go. Any sailor can tell you that the odds of a surface combatant getting into gun range of a carrier and slipping through the detection of both the combat air patrol and escorts are tiny.]]).
** Of course, any apologetic argument kind of hits a brick wall due to one tiny, but vital, detail: '''[[MoralEventHorizon the man abandoned]]''' '' '''[[AMillionIsAStatistic 1.5 MILLION CIVILIANS PLUS 100,000 REFUGEES]]''' '' '''[[InferredHolocaust to their deaths]]''' at the hands of the [[EldritchAbomination Abyssals]]. As anyone with a military background (or at least access to someone who does) will tell you: [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Tactically sound or not, unless he had explicit standing orders to pull out should something like Okinawa happen, Shimada and his precious fleet were forfeit if
fight, though there were still civilians on the island]].good reasons to do either). [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And that is all that will be said about that.]]
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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest ([[spoiler:six Abyssal carrier strike groups - After all, the track record of surface combatants without air cover against air power is less than stellar. Just ask Repulse and Prince of Wales about what happened off the east coast of then-Malaya. Or Yamato about a little thing called Ten-Go. Any sailor can tell you that the odds of a surface combatant getting into gun range of a carrier and slipping through the detection of both the combat air patrol and escorts are tiny.]]).

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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest ([[spoiler:six ([[spoiler:an Abyssal carrier strike groups task force with seven Nu-class light carriers and an unknown - After all, the track record of surface combatants without air cover against air power is less than stellar. Just ask Repulse and Prince of Wales about what happened off the east coast of then-Malaya. Or Yamato about a little thing called Ten-Go. Any sailor can tell you that the odds of a surface combatant getting into gun range of a carrier and slipping through the detection of both the combat air patrol and escorts are tiny.]]).
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* MoralEventHorizon: Shimada abandoning Okinawa and all the civilians there. See TheScrappy below.
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** And as one reviewer put it: "Wait you have two battleships and three cruisers almost within range and you're just going to run? Uhhhh what the hell man." Which shows CriticalResearchFailure - just one [[spoiler:carrier strike group]] has as many or even more ships than the whole of Admiral Shimada's force, assuming they somehow make it past the air power first, never mind [[spoiler:ten, or the ringleader-led second wave lying in wait for anyone who takes the bait]]!

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** And as Of course, any apologetic argument kind of hits a brick wall due to one reviewer put it: "Wait you have two battleships and three cruisers almost within range and you're just going to run? Uhhhh what tiny, but vital, detail: '''[[MoralEventHorizon the hell man." Which shows CriticalResearchFailure - just one [[spoiler:carrier strike group]] has as many or even more ships than man abandoned]]''' '' '''[[AMillionIsAStatistic 1.5 MILLION CIVILIANS PLUS 100,000 REFUGEES]]''' '' '''[[InferredHolocaust to their deaths]]''' at the whole hands of Admiral Shimada's force, assuming they somehow make it past the air power first, never mind [[spoiler:ten, or the ringleader-led second wave lying in wait for [[EldritchAbomination Abyssals]]. As anyone with a military background (or at least access to someone who takes does) will tell you: [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Tactically sound or not, unless he had explicit standing orders to pull out should something like Okinawa happen, Shimada and his precious fleet were forfeit if there were still civilians on the bait]]!island]].
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* StoicWoobie: Yvonne. [[spoiler:Her lack of family as well as inability to sortie properly thanks to her circumstances clearly affects her more than she even admits to Yamato. Even moreso if you consider the theory about why her sisters failed to summon.]]
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** And as one reviewer put it: "Wait you have two battleships and three cruisers almost within range and you're just going to run? Uhhhh what the hell man." Which shows CriticalResearchFailure - just one [[spoiler:carrier strike group]] has as many or even more ships than the whole of Admiral Shimada's force, never mind [[spoiler:six, or the even larger second wave lying in wait for anyone who takes the bait]]!

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** And as one reviewer put it: "Wait you have two battleships and three cruisers almost within range and you're just going to run? Uhhhh what the hell man." Which shows CriticalResearchFailure - just one [[spoiler:carrier strike group]] has as many or even more ships than the whole of Admiral Shimada's force, assuming they somehow make it past the air power first, never mind [[spoiler:six, [[spoiler:ten, or the even larger ringleader-led second wave lying in wait for anyone who takes the bait]]!
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* TearJerker: Yamato's resolve to [[spoiler:make a last stand and invoke operation Ten-Go after Shimada's retreat left her the only defense left for Okinawa against the Abyssal raid]], in- and out-of-universe. The poor girl is on the verge of tears herself, but her attempt at a [[spoiler:HeroicSacrifice]] brings all who overhear her to tears, except maybe Yvonne, who is too mad and determined herself to be brought to tears.
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** And as one reviewer put it: "Wait you have two battleships and three cruisers almost within range and you're just going to run? Uhhhh what the hell man." Which shows CriticalResearchFailure - just one [[spoiler:carrier strike group]] has as many or even more ships than the whole of Admiral Shimada's force, never mind [[spoiler:six]]!

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** And as one reviewer put it: "Wait you have two battleships and three cruisers almost within range and you're just going to run? Uhhhh what the hell man." Which shows CriticalResearchFailure - just one [[spoiler:carrier strike group]] has as many or even more ships than the whole of Admiral Shimada's force, never mind [[spoiler:six]]![[spoiler:six, or the even larger second wave lying in wait for anyone who takes the bait]]!
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** And as one reviewer put it: "Wait you have two battleships and three cruisers almost within range and you're just going to run? Uhhhh what the hell man."

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** And as one reviewer put it: "Wait you have two battleships and three cruisers almost within range and you're just going to run? Uhhhh what the hell man."" Which shows CriticalResearchFailure - just one [[spoiler:carrier strike group]] has as many or even more ships than the whole of Admiral Shimada's force, never mind [[spoiler:six]]!
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** The CNN-style news interludes mentions this EscalatingBrawl, and later detailed in the ''Top Sails'' omake:

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** The CNN-style news interludes mentions this EscalatingBrawl, and later detailed in the ''Top Sails'' ''[[https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/17787454/ Top Sails]]'' omake:
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** The CNN-style news interludes mentions this EscalatingBrawl:

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Kongou's actions in chapter 3. [[http://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/17437517/ As one reader pointed out]], she went right up to where [[spoiler:Tenryuu]] was hiding, then promptly turned around and left. Lucky break for the hiding person? Or, as the anime's glimpses of her more perceptive side suggest, did she know the hiding person was right there and deliberately pretend not to notice?

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Kongou's actions in chapter 3. [[http://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/17437517/ As one reader pointed out]], she went right up to where [[spoiler:Tenryuu]] was hiding, then promptly turned around and left. Lucky break for the hiding person? Or, as the anime's glimpses of her more perceptive side suggest, did she know the hiding person was right there and deliberately pretend not to notice?notice?
** [[https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/17816096/ As another reader points out]]: Hibiki making her sisters read up on [[spoiler:the Rape of Nanking]] - Did it just randomly happen to be there? Or was she being CruelToBeKind?
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** Indefatigable all but kidnapping [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Droits_de_l%27Homme_%281794%29 Droits de l'Homme]] from a Paris cafe for a rematch.

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** Indefatigable all but kidnapping [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Droits_de_l%27Homme_%281794%29 Droits de l'Homme]] from a cafe in Paris cafe for a rematch.

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** Indefatigable all but kidnapping [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Droits_de_l%27Homme_%281794%29 Droits de l'Homme]] from a Paris cafe for a rematch.
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* CrazyAwesome: ''HMS Indefatigable''

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* CrazyAwesome: ''HMS Indefatigable''''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Indefatigable_%281784%29 HMS Indefatigable]].''



*** "HMS Indefatigable’s 44 gun salute to HMS Hood damages Mary Rose Museum"
*** "Melee in Portsmouth Historical Dockyard, newly returned Mary Rose brawls with Indefatigable, damages HMS Warrior exhibit"
*** "Ship girls arrested, Mary Rose, Indefatigable and Warrior sink HMS Trincomalee museum by accident with stolen jet skis"

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*** "HMS Indefatigable’s ''Indefatigable''’s 44 gun salute to HMS Hood ''Hood'' damages Mary Rose Museum"
*** "Melee in Portsmouth Historical Dockyard, newly returned Mary Rose brawls with Indefatigable, damages HMS Warrior ''Warrior'' exhibit"
*** "Ship girls arrested, Mary Rose, Indefatigable and Warrior sink HMS Trincomalee ''Trincomalee'' museum by accident with stolen jet skis"
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: The CNN-style news interludes mention this EscalatingBrawl:
** "HMS Indefatigable’s 44 gun salute to HMS Hood damages Mary Rose Museum"
** "Melee in Portsmouth Historical Dockyard, newly returned Mary Rose brawls with Indefatigable, damages HMS Warrior exhibit"
** "Ship girls arrested, Mary Rose, Indefatigable and Warrior sink HMS Trincomalee museum by accident with stolen jet skis"

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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: The CNN-style news interludes mention this EscalatingBrawl:
** "HMS Indefatigable’s 44 gun salute to HMS Hood damages Mary Rose Museum"
** "Melee in Portsmouth Historical Dockyard, newly returned Mary Rose brawls with Indefatigable, damages HMS Warrior exhibit"
** "Ship girls arrested, Mary Rose, Indefatigable and Warrior sink HMS Trincomalee museum by accident with stolen jet skis"
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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest ([[spoiler:six Abyssal carrier strike groups - After all, the track record of surface combatants without air cover against air power is less than stellar. Just ask Yamato about a little thing called Ten-Go. Any sailor can tell you that the odds of a surface combatant getting into gun range of a carrier and slipping through the detection of both the combat air patrol and escorts are tiny.]]).

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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest ([[spoiler:six Abyssal carrier strike groups - After all, the track record of surface combatants without air cover against air power is less than stellar. Just ask Repulse and Prince of Wales about what happened off the east coast of then-Malaya. Or Yamato about a little thing called Ten-Go. Any sailor can tell you that the odds of a surface combatant getting into gun range of a carrier and slipping through the detection of both the combat air patrol and escorts are tiny.]]).
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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest ([[spoiler:six Abyssal carrier strike groups - After all, the track record of surface combatants without air cover against air power is less than stellar. Just ask Yamato about a little thing called Ten-Go.]]).

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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest ([[spoiler:six Abyssal carrier strike groups - After all, the track record of surface combatants without air cover against air power is less than stellar. Just ask Yamato about a little thing called Ten-Go. Any sailor can tell you that the odds of a surface combatant getting into gun range of a carrier and slipping through the detection of both the combat air patrol and escorts are tiny.]]).
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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest ([[spoiler:six Abyssal carrier strike groups]]).

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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest ([[spoiler:six Abyssal carrier strike groups]]).groups - After all, the track record of surface combatants without air cover against air power is less than stellar. Just ask Yamato about a little thing called Ten-Go.]]).
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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest ([[spoiler:six Abyssal carrier strike groups]]).

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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest ([[spoiler:six Abyssal carrier strike groups]]).groups]]).
** And as one reviewer put it: "Wait you have two battleships and three cruisers almost within range and you're just going to run? Uhhhh what the hell man."
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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest.

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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest.nest ([[spoiler:six Abyssal carrier strike groups]]).
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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred.

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* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred. Complaints seem to centre on him being a DirtyCoward who retreated and left the refugees behind, instead of doing the {{Honor| Before Reason}}able thing and sending his five functional girls on the naval equivalent of a frontal charge on a machine gun nest.
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* CrazyAwesome: ''HMS Indefatigable''

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* CrazyAwesome: ''HMS Indefatigable''Indefatigable''
* TheScrappy: Admiral Shimada has gained a lot of hatred.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Kongou's actions in chapter 3. [[http://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/17437517/ As one reader pointed out]], she went right up to where [[spoiler:Tenryuu]] was hiding, then promptly turned around and left. Lucky break for the hiding person? Or, as the anime's glimpses of her more perceptive side suggest, did she know the hiding person was right there and deliberately pretend not to notice?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Kongou's actions in chapter 3. [[http://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/17437517/ As one reader pointed out]], she went right up to where [[spoiler:Tenryuu]] was hiding, then promptly turned around and left. Lucky break for the hiding person? Or, as the anime's glimpses of her more perceptive side suggest, did she know the hiding person was right there and deliberately pretend not to notice?notice?
* CrazyAwesome: ''HMS Indefatigable''
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Kongou's actions in chapter 3. [[http://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/17437517/ As one reader pointed out]], she went right up to where [[spoiler:Tenryuu]] was hiding, then promptly turned around and left. Lucky break for the hiding person? Or, as the anime's glimpses of her more perceptive side suggest, did she know the hiding person was right there and deliberately pretend not to notice?

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