History YMMV / TheDraka

2nd Dec '15 7:24:53 PM blerg223
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* CompleteMonster: Louis Gayner. A female human Draka with a completely Alien morality enough to give Eric Von Shrakenberg the willies. To sum it up, she plans to remove sapiency from serfs and make them "organic machinery, nothing else", is pissed when serfs even talk around her, treat them as things (remember Silence of the Lambs?). To top that, in an all female boarding school, she is the ultimate heterosexual woman with no plans for reproduction, but skilled in genetics and planned the "New Race" project. Whom she cannot persuade, she duels to prove her point. So she singlehandedly represents all that is evil in Draka.

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* CompleteMonster: Louis Louise Gayner. A female human Draka with a completely Alien morality enough to give Eric Von Shrakenberg the willies. To sum it up, she plans to remove sapiency from serfs and make them "organic machinery, nothing else", is pissed when serfs even talk around her, treat them as things (remember Silence of the Lambs?). To top that, in an all female boarding school, she is the ultimate heterosexual woman with no plans for reproduction, but skilled in genetics and planned the "New Race" project. Whom she cannot persuade, she duels to prove her point. So she singlehandedly represents all that is evil in Draka.
11th Nov '15 10:07:09 PM Ktotwf
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* FascistButInefficient: Books presume that Draka would have "tech advancement rate identical to our own", if not faster, whereas in reality it would not. Draka would become North Korea style regime. It could manage control over its territories by brute force, but it would be incredibly poor, backward country. They [[CreativeSterility would not have any significant technological progress]], (Kim and his cronies might have their own tablets bought from China, but they can't build them in North Korea), majority of population would live in semi-medieval conditions, and that is not conductive to progress, because most people are slaves who will never amount to anything no matter their talents. Just like Kims routinely purge and execute their ministers and generals, so would Draka start murdering each other for power, sometimes by challenging each other to duels. At that would promote TallPoppySyndrome, not just among slaves, but among less influential citizens too. Being sufficiently evil [[DystopiaIsHard does not]] automatically guarantee success (unless you are creator's pet, but then everything will guarantee success), and Drakas ironically lack PragmaticVillainy qualities, due to their fanatical devotion to slavery, expansionism, and plain torture, when methods more subtle than impaling would work better.



*** North Korea survives on foreign aid, which would not be given to Draka. Neither it has tech advancement rate identical to our own. Given that Draka is even more repressive totalitarian nightmare, there is no reason to believe it would not have even worse economy and scientific progress than North Korea. Not enough to fall apart on its own, but likely to eventually pick a fight that with Alliance of Democracy that it could not win, and would escalate irregardless of suicidally pacifistic Alliance leadership.
6th Nov '15 1:57:47 PM Mackus
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*** North Korea survives on foreign aid, which would not be given to Draka. Neither it has tech advancement rate identical to our own. Given that Draka is even more repressive totalitarian nightmare, there is no reason to believe it would not have even worse economy and scientific progress than North Korea. Not enough to fall apart on its own, but likely to eventually pick a fight that with Alliance of Democracy that it could not win, and would escalate irregardless of suicidally pacifistic Alliance leadership.
6th Nov '15 1:51:48 PM Mackus
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* FascistButInefficient: Books presume that Draka would have "tech advancement rate identical to our own", if not faster, whereas in reality it would not. Draka would become North Korea style regime. It could manage control over its territories by brute force, but it would be incredibly poor, backward country. They [[CreativeSterility would not have any significant technological progress]], (Kim and his cronies might have their own tablets bought from China, but they can't build them in North Korea), majority of population would live in semi-medieval conditions, and that is not conductive to progress, because most people are slaves who will never amount to anything no matter their talents. Just like Kims routinely purge and execute their ministers and generals, so would Draka start murdering each other for power, sometimes by challenging each other to duels. At that would promote TallPoppySyndrome, not just among slaves, but among less influential citizens too. Being sufficiently evil [[DystopiaIsHard does not]] automatically guarantee success (unless you are creator's pet, but then everything will guarantee success), and Drakas ironically lack PragmaticVillainy qualities, due to their fanatical devotion to slavery, expansionism, and plain torture, when methods more subtle than impaling would work better.



** Stirling in later years has become more willing to acknowledge the holes in his earlier work (the Draka series was one of his first professional sales). In the ''Drakas!'' anthology (which he edited) there is a rather ruthless deconstruction by another author of ''Marching Through Georgia'' in general and Eric von Shrakenberg in particular. One of the best stories in the book.
* FascistButInefficient: Books presume that Draka would have "tech advancement rate identical to our own", if not faster, whereas in reality it would not. Draka would become North Korea style regime. It could manage control over its territories by brute force, but it would be incredibly poor, backward country. They [[CreativeSterility would not have any significant technological progress]], (Kim and his cronies might have their own tablets bought from China, but they can't build them in North Korea), majority of population would live in semi-medieval conditions, and that is not conductive to progress, because most people are slaves who will never amount to anything no matter their talents. Just like Kims routinely purge and execute their ministers and generals, so would Draka start murdering each other for power, sometimes by challenging each other to duels. At that would promote TallPoppySyndrome, not just among slaves, but among less influential citizens too. Being sufficiently evil [[DystopiaIsHard does not]] automatically guarantee success (unless you are creator's pet, but then everything will guarantee success), and Drakas ironically lack PragmaticVillainy qualities, due to their fanatical devotion to slavery, expansionism, and plain torture, when methods more subtle than impaling would work better.

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** Stirling in later years has become more willing to acknowledge the holes in his earlier work (the Draka series was one of his first professional sales). In the ''Drakas!'' anthology (which he edited) there is a rather ruthless deconstruction by another author of ''Marching Through Georgia'' in general and Eric von Shrakenberg in particular. One of the best stories in the book.
* FascistButInefficient: Books presume that Draka would have "tech advancement rate identical to our own", if not faster, whereas in reality it would not. Draka would become North Korea style regime. It could manage control over its territories by brute force, but it would be incredibly poor, backward country. They [[CreativeSterility would not have any significant technological progress]], (Kim and his cronies might have their own tablets bought from China, but they can't build them in North Korea), majority of population would live in semi-medieval conditions, and that is not conductive to progress, because most people are slaves who will never amount to anything no matter their talents. Just like Kims routinely purge and execute their ministers and generals, so would Draka start murdering each other for power, sometimes by challenging each other to duels. At that would promote TallPoppySyndrome, not just among slaves, but among less influential citizens too. Being sufficiently evil [[DystopiaIsHard does not]] automatically guarantee success (unless you are creator's pet, but then everything will guarantee success), and Drakas ironically lack PragmaticVillainy qualities, due to their fanatical devotion to slavery, expansionism, and plain torture, when methods more subtle than impaling would work better.
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6th Nov '15 1:51:05 PM Mackus
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** Stirling in later years has become more willing to acknowledge the holes in his earlier work (the Draka series was one of his first professional sales). In the ''Drakas!'' anthology (which he edited) there is a rather ruthless deconstruction by another author of ''Marching Through Georgia'' in general and Eric von Shrakenberg in particular. One of the best stories in the book.

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** Stirling in later years has become more willing to acknowledge the holes in his earlier work (the Draka series was one of his first professional sales). In the ''Drakas!'' anthology (which he edited) there is a rather ruthless deconstruction by another author of ''Marching Through Georgia'' in general and Eric von Shrakenberg in particular. One of the best stories in the book.book.
* FascistButInefficient: Books presume that Draka would have "tech advancement rate identical to our own", if not faster, whereas in reality it would not. Draka would become North Korea style regime. It could manage control over its territories by brute force, but it would be incredibly poor, backward country. They [[CreativeSterility would not have any significant technological progress]], (Kim and his cronies might have their own tablets bought from China, but they can't build them in North Korea), majority of population would live in semi-medieval conditions, and that is not conductive to progress, because most people are slaves who will never amount to anything no matter their talents. Just like Kims routinely purge and execute their ministers and generals, so would Draka start murdering each other for power, sometimes by challenging each other to duels. At that would promote TallPoppySyndrome, not just among slaves, but among less influential citizens too. Being sufficiently evil [[DystopiaIsHard does not]] automatically guarantee success (unless you are creator's pet, but then everything will guarantee success), and Drakas ironically lack PragmaticVillainy qualities, due to their fanatical devotion to slavery, expansionism, and plain torture, when methods more subtle than impaling would work better.
5th Nov '15 10:06:45 PM Ktotwf
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*** You operate under assumptions that Draka would have "tech advancement rate identical to our own", it would not. Draka would become North Korea style regime. Even if it could manage control over its territories, it would be incredibly poor, backward country. They would not have any significant technological progress, (Kim and his cronies might have their own tablets bought from China, but they can't build them in North Korea), majority of population would live in semi-medieval conditions, and that is not conductive to progress, because most people are slaves who will never amount to anything no matter their talents. Just like Kims routinely purge and execute their ministers and generals, so would Draka start murdering each other for power, sometimes by challenging each other to duels. At that would promote TallPoppySyndrome, not just among slaves, but among less influential citizens too.
27th Oct '15 12:36:33 AM Mackus
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** With nothing more than strategic autarky, nuclear weapons and a global reach, and a tech advancement rate identical to our own, and the Draka would *never* fall. Unlike the Soviet Union, there was never any pretense of equality and for the masses it never mattered if the outside world had a better standard of living. Don't believe me? Look at North Korea. They do not have strategic autarky, their nuclear deterrent is laughable, possibly non-existent, and could be crushed and annihilated in a historical instant. Had OTL South Africa had a nuclear deterrent of the French scale by 1979, Aparthied might still be going on.

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** With nothing more than strategic autarky, nuclear weapons and a global reach, and a tech advancement rate identical to our own, and the Draka would *never* fall. Unlike the Soviet Union, there was never any pretense of equality and for the masses it never mattered if the outside world had a better standard of living. Don't believe me? Look at North Korea. They do not have strategic autarky, their nuclear deterrent is laughable, possibly non-existent, and could be crushed and annihilated in a historical instant. Had OTL South Africa had a nuclear deterrent of the French scale by 1979, Aparthied Apartheid might still be going on.on.
*** You operate under assumptions that Draka would have "tech advancement rate identical to our own", it would not. Draka would become North Korea style regime. Even if it could manage control over its territories, it would be incredibly poor, backward country. They would not have any significant technological progress, (Kim and his cronies might have their own tablets bought from China, but they can't build them in North Korea), majority of population would live in semi-medieval conditions, and that is not conductive to progress, because most people are slaves who will never amount to anything no matter their talents. Just like Kims routinely purge and execute their ministers and generals, so would Draka start murdering each other for power, sometimes by challenging each other to duels. At that would promote TallPoppySyndrome, not just among slaves, but among less influential citizens too.
17th Oct '15 8:56:49 PM Ktotwf
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** Incorrect, because you mistakenly presume Draka would have "tech advancement rate identical to our own", it would not. Draka would become North Korea style regime. Even if it could manage control over its territories, it would be incredibly poor, backward country. They would not have any significant technological progress, Kim and his cronies might have their own tablets, but majority of population would live in semi-medieval conditions, and that is not conductive to progress. Just like Kims routinely purge and execute their ministers and generals, so would Draka start murdering each other for power, sometimes by challenging each other to duels. At that would promote Tall Poppy Syndrome, not just among slaves, but among less influential citizens too.
23rd Aug '15 12:11:30 AM Mackus
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** Incorrect, because you mistakenly presume Draka would have "tech advancement rate identical to our own", it would not. Draka would become North Korea style regime. Even if it could manage control over its territories, it would be incredibly poor, backward country. They would not have any significant technological progress, Kim and his cronies might have their own tablets, but majority of population would live in semi-medieval conditions, and that is not conductive to progress. Just like Kims routinely purge and execute their ministers and generals, so would Draka start murdering each other for power, sometimes by challenging each other to duels. At that would promote Tall Poppy Syndrome, not just among slaves, but among less influential citizens too.
4th Aug '15 8:49:15 PM Raygunguy
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*** One review of the ''Wraeththu'' RPG described the Draka books as "handing them an I Win button."
*** Stirling in later years has become more willing to acknowledge the holes in his earlier work (the Draka series was one of his first professional sales). In the ''Drakas!'' anthology (which he edited) there is a rather ruthless deconstruction by another author of ''Marching Through Georgia'' in general and Eric von Shrakenberg in particular. One of the best stories in the book.

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*** ** One review of the ''Wraeththu'' RPG described the Draka books as "handing them an I Win button."
*** ** Stirling in later years has become more willing to acknowledge the holes in his earlier work (the Draka series was one of his first professional sales). In the ''Drakas!'' anthology (which he edited) there is a rather ruthless deconstruction by another author of ''Marching Through Georgia'' in general and Eric von Shrakenberg in particular. One of the best stories in the book.
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