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31st Dec '12 9:06:52 PM MirrorNoir

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Namor joined the Avengers at the time the New Defenders revamp started. Decades later, he was allowed to be both an X-Men and Defender, when the X-Men guys got their hands on him

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* DeaderThanDisco: Despite being one of Marvel's top books in the [[TheSeventies 1970s]], the title's disastrous "New Defenders" revamp, the resurgence of the ComicBook/{{X-Men}} as a popular franchise, the rise of various spin-off books (NewMutants, Comicbook/{{X-Factor}}, West Coast Avengers), and Marvel moving the founding Defenders back to being solo heroes (and Namor being absorbed into the ComicBook/{{X-Men}} franchise), the book fell into a state of mockery as far as as a relic of a past period and not fit for modern comic readers. Attempts by Marvel to revive the book has largely failed and the only real successful revamp was a mini-series by the guys behind ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational which basically reduced the concept to an "odd couple" comedy. Matt Fraction's 2011 run ended after 12 issues, though most fans blamed a slow start plus Fraction's reputation being at a low ebb after the poorly-received ''Comicbook/FearItself''. The Marvel NOW! version, ''Fearless Defenders'' has its work cut out for it.

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* DeaderThanDisco: Despite being one of Marvel's top books in the [[TheSeventies 1970s]], the title's disastrous "New Defenders" revamp, the resurgence of the ComicBook/{{X-Men}} as a popular franchise, the rise of various spin-off books (NewMutants, Comicbook/{{X-Factor}}, West Coast Avengers), and Marvel moving the founding Defenders back to being solo heroes (and Namor being absorbed into the Avengers franchise), the book fell into a state of mockery as far as as a relic of a past period and not fit for modern comic readers. Attempts by Marvel to revive the book has largely failed and the only real successful revamp was a mini-series by the guys behind ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational which basically reduced the concept to an "odd couple" comedy. Matt Fraction's 2011 run ended after 12 issues, though most fans blamed a slow start plus Fraction's reputation being at a low ebb after the poorly-received ''Comicbook/FearItself''. The Marvel NOW! version, ''Fearless Defenders'' has its work cut out for it.

26th Dec '12 3:24:06 PM Chariset

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28th Aug '12 8:14:44 AM Chariset

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2nd May '12 5:14:14 AM Byzantine

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27th Mar '12 11:56:38 AM Chariset

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12th Jan '12 9:11:58 PM MirrorNoir

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* DeaderThanDisco: Despite being one of Marvel's top books in the 70s, the title's disastrous "New Defender" revamp, the resurgence of the X-Men as a popular franchise, the rise of various spin-off books (X-Factor, New Mutants, West Coast Avengers), and Marvel moving the founding Defenders back to being solo heroes (and Namor being absorbed into the Avengers franchise), the book fell into a state of mockery as far as as a relic of a past period and not fit for modern comic readers. Attempts by Marvel to revive the book has largely failed and the only real successful revamp was a mini-series by the guys behind JLI which basically reduced the concept to an "odd couple" comedy.  
* HilariousInHindsight: At one point the team had Daimon Hellstrom, Son of Satan, as a member at the same time as Devil-Slayer.
** Bendis's controversial revamp of the Avengers has been denounced as him basically taking the Avengers and turning it into the Defenders; this was acknowledged by Bendis himself several years into his run, when he had Knighthawk outright tell the New Avengers this, during a period when the team consisted of Wolverine, Thing, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Miss Marvel, and Squirrel Girl.

16th Nov '11 10:17:59 PM Chariset

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1st Oct '11 10:25:53 AM astrakhan

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