History YMMV / TheBlackCauldron

17th May '18 6:02:31 PM Bartzv
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Taran's character arc contains one: Some people just aren't cut out to follow their dreams.
7th May '18 8:23:12 AM Prinzenick
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: The Horned King is held by some to be a genuinely terrifying Disney villain, yet sadly has little to show for this due to his surprisingly easy defeat at Taran's hands.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: The Horned King is held by some to be a genuinely terrifying Disney villain, yet sadly has little to show for this due to his surprisingly easy defeat at Taran's hands. [[Creator/DisneysNineOldMen Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston]] cited this as one of the films biggest flaws in their book ''Literature/TheDisneyVillain'', feeling the film presented him in a way that robbed him of mystery and presented him with so much action and close ups, that it made him come off as a villain who was approachable and unpleasant rather than all powerful.
-->"Typical of the failings, the Horned King, who should have been mysterious, was as ordinary as the leader of a street gang. As Roy Disney said later, their approach was "too literal-minded. He was just a guy." The use of close-ups and too much activity gave the impression that here was a man one could argue with. He should have been as unreachable and intimidating as [[Disney/{{Fantasia}} Chernobog]]. No one should speak in his presence. The words should wither in one's throat. We should not even know if this evil creature was man, animal or demon. Here was unlimited power on the verge of taking over the world that somehow had to be stopped, and that was the special challenge to the tiny band of characters who carried the hopes of the future on their uncertain shoulders. It seemed an impossible burden for the heroic cast as well as the inexperienced staff of the studio."
24th Apr '18 1:15:01 AM LB7979
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** This wasn't the last Disney work [[WesternAnimation/{{Gravity Falls}} with a lovable, pink pig]].

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** This wasn't the last Disney work with a [[WesternAnimation/{{Gravity Falls}} with a lovable, lovable]], pink [[Disney/{{Moana}} pig]].
23rd Apr '18 6:05:40 PM MinecraftFan11
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** This wasn't the last Disney work [[WesternAnimation/{{Gravity Falls}} with a lovable, pink pig]].
19th Feb '18 11:51:02 PM StardustSoldier
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** For some folks, Taran qualifies as one. Most people find his bragging annoying, and they do not like how he patronizes Eilonwy in a very sexist demeanor ("What does a girl know about swords, anyway!?"). Sadly, this is actually fairly accurate to Book!Taran, and losing this arrogance is part of his character arc in the book series, which the cancellation of any sequels prevented being shown.

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** For some folks, Taran qualifies as one. Most Many people find his bragging annoying, and they do not like how he patronizes Eilonwy in a very sexist demeanor way ("What does a girl know about swords, anyway!?"). Sadly, this is actually fairly accurate to Book!Taran, and losing this arrogance is part of his character arc in the book series, which the cancellation of any sequels prevented being shown.
11th Feb '18 4:12:54 PM DuskNoble
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The film's darker story could be counted as such, having none of Disney's trademark lightheartedness or kid-friendly moments with which to balance it out. Tellingly, it would be years before Disney would try again for a more exclusively adult audience, again to a similar mixed response.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The film's darker story could be counted as such, having none of Disney's trademark lightheartedness or kid-friendly moments with which to balance it out. Tellingly, it would be years before Disney would try again for a more exclusively adult audience, again to a similar similarly mixed response.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Horned King. Even if the movie failed at the box office and is one of the lesser known Disney feature films, The Horned King is a cult favorite within the Disney fandom and many times is compared with the likes of Maleficent and Chernabog. He probably would've had a respectable presence in Disney properties if it hadn't been for the movie's poor initial reception. Fans have even demanded Disney to let the Horned King to make an appearance in future ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts'' games. Being played by the late Creator/JohnHurt probably has quite a bit to do with it.
* GenreTurningPoint: The film was meant to be this for animated Disney movies in general, an attempt to darken and "modernize" the studios feature film output while also proving that Walt Disney's one-vision method of film making was still viable in the 1980s. And it ''was'' a turning point... just not in the way that the film makers had hoped; its massive box office failure not only led to a trend of lighter Disney animated films (which culminated with their "true" turning point in 1989, ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid''), but also ended (most of) Walt Disney's methods as solid company policy in favor of a more "Hollywood" style of movie making (stricter deadlines, tighter budgets, more committee meetings, more executive influence, attempts on franchise integration, etc.).

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Horned King. Even if the movie failed at the box office and is one of the lesser known Disney feature films, The Horned King is a cult favorite within the Disney fandom and many times is compared with the likes of Maleficent and Chernabog. He probably would've had a respectable presence in Disney properties if it hadn't been for the movie's poor initial reception. Fans have even demanded Disney to let the Horned King to make an appearance in future ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts'' games. Being played by the late Creator/JohnHurt probably has quite a bit to do with it.
* GenreTurningPoint: The film was meant to be this for animated Disney movies in general, an attempt to darken and "modernize" the studios feature film output while also proving that Walt Disney's one-vision method of film making filmmaking was still viable in the 1980s. And it ''was'' a turning point... just not in the way that the film makers had hoped; its massive box office failure not only led to a trend of lighter Disney animated films (which culminated with their "true" turning point in 1989, ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid''), but also ended (most of) Walt Disney's methods as solid company policy in favor of a more "Hollywood" style of movie making (stricter deadlines, tighter budgets, more committee meetings, more executive influence, attempts on franchise integration, etc.).



* MisBlamed: Gurgi's mannerisms were not in fact Disney putting in an obvious PluckyComicRelief - things like talking in the third-person, speaking in redundant phrases, referring to Taran as a lord, and "Munchies and crunchies" are in fact in the books, and Gurgi still does play somewhat of a comic relief character.

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* MisBlamed: Gurgi's mannerisms were not not, in fact fact, Disney putting in an obvious PluckyComicRelief - things like talking in the third-person, speaking in redundant phrases, referring to Taran as a lord, and "Munchies and crunchies" are in fact in the books, and Gurgi still does play somewhat of a comic relief character.



* NeverLiveItDown: The troubled production and ultimate box office failure of the film shook the Walt Disney Company so much that even after the successful revitalization of its animation department in the years that followed, they largely ignored it for the next decade or so and have released virtually no merchandise tied to it; not even of Princess Eilonwy who remains absent from the Disney Princess lineup. It eventually received a full VHS release and later a DVD release thanks to its respectably cult following, but remains one of its least-publicized pictures. Disney made some noise in 2016 about trying [[TruerToTheText a more faithful adaptation]] of the ''Prydain'' novels in live action, but so far it seems stuck in DevelopmentHell, probably due to this reputation, as well as the ''Prydain'' series not being very well known, especially compared to ''Harry Potter'' or ''Narnia''.

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* NeverLiveItDown: The troubled production and ultimate box office failure of the film shook the Walt Disney Company so much that even after the successful revitalization of its animation department in the years that followed, they largely ignored it for the next decade or so and have released virtually no merchandise tied to it; not even of Princess Eilonwy who remains absent from the Disney Princess lineup. It eventually received a full VHS release and later a DVD release thanks to its respectably respectable cult following, but remains one of its least-publicized pictures. Disney made some noise in 2016 about trying [[TruerToTheText a more faithful adaptation]] of the ''Prydain'' novels in live action, but so far it seems stuck in DevelopmentHell, probably due to this reputation, as well as the ''Prydain'' series not being very well known, especially compared to ''Harry Potter'' or ''Narnia''.
30th Jan '18 6:14:15 PM StardustSoldier
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* MisBlamed: Gurgi's mannerisms were not in fact Disney putting in an obvious ComicReliefCharacter - things like talking in the third-person, speaking in redundant phrases, referring to Taran as a lord, and "Munchies and crunchies" are in fact in the books, and Gurgi still does play somewhat of a ComicReliefCharacter.

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* MisBlamed: Gurgi's mannerisms were not in fact Disney putting in an obvious ComicReliefCharacter PluckyComicRelief - things like talking in the third-person, speaking in redundant phrases, referring to Taran as a lord, and "Munchies and crunchies" are in fact in the books, and Gurgi still does play somewhat of a ComicReliefCharacter.comic relief character.
6th Oct '17 2:27:56 PM TheTrailblazerCritic
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The film's darker story could be counted as such, having none of Disney's trademark lightheartedness or kid-friendly moments with which to balance it out. Tellingly, it would be years before Disney would try again for a more exclusively adult audience, again to a similar mixed response.
* BileFascination: A downplayed example; It has certainly found a respectable fandom in later years, but its status as the black sheep of the Disney Animated Canon continues to draw newcomers who are curious as to how it gained its reputation.
9th Sep '17 6:48:11 PM Nicoaln
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9th Sep '17 6:47:09 PM Nicoaln
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* SeingeldIsUnfunny: Towards the book series it was based off of, it reads almost like a shopping list of cliches. Except one has to consider that the series was originally published in ''the sixties'' - Taran predates ''[[Film/StarWarsANewHope Luke Skywalker]]'' in the "Farm-boy turned hero who befriends a princess".

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** For the Disney version, this movie actually predated ''Disney/TheGreatMouseDetective'' in the animated canon's use of CGI. These days, it's [[ConspicuousCG very obvious to see the moment it's used]], and it borders upon SpecialEffectFailure. But back in the 80s, that wasn't done before.
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Towards the book series it was based off of, it reads almost like a shopping list of cliches. Except one has to consider that the series was originally published in ''the sixties'' - Taran predates ''[[Film/StarWarsANewHope Luke Skywalker]]'' in the "Farm-boy turned hero who befriends a princess".
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