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Again, shot at feminism.


* MisaimedFandom: An examination of a woman nearly losing her sanity and humanity due to being burdened with terrible, unfathomable knowledge is often mistaken for promoting feminist empowerment.

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* MisaimedFandom: An examination of a woman nearly losing her sanity and humanity due to being burdened with terrible, unfathomable knowledge is often mistaken for promoting feminist empowerment.being a good mother and heroine.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Watching Sarah Connor struggle with her emotional instability is a lot harder in light of Linda Hamilton later admitting to suffering from bi-polar disorder in real life.

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Watching Sarah Connor struggle with her emotional instability is a lot harder in light of Linda Hamilton later admitting to suffering from bi-polar bipolar disorder in real life.



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* ItWasHisSled: The T-800 is the good guy in this film.
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* SignatureLine: In case you haven't figured it out yet: "Hasta la vista, baby!"
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* VillainHasAPoint : Dr. Silberman. Yes, he's [[SmugSnake repugnant]]. Yes, we sympathize with Sarah and [[PsychoPsychologist loathe the treatment]] she gets in Pescadero. But if she were actually criminally insane, anyone with her [[TheSchizophreniaConspiracy symptoms]] and [[InsaneEqualsViolent violent history]] would have to be locked up and treated in order to protect her and anyone she's tried to blow up.
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* MisaimedFandom: See DracoInLeatherPants entry above. An examination of a woman nearly losing her sanity and humanity due to being burdened with terrible, unfathomable knowledge is often mistaken for promoting feminist empowerment.

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* MisaimedFandom: See DracoInLeatherPants entry above. An examination of a woman nearly losing her sanity and humanity due to being burdened with terrible, unfathomable knowledge is often mistaken for promoting feminist empowerment.
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Removed \"Draco in leather pants\" trope from list because Sarah Connor is 1) Not the villain 2) Not turned into an object of desire by the fandom with her villainous traits excused. The previous edit seems to have been included simply to rant against \"militant feminists\" which, again, have nothing to do with the Draco trope.


* DracoInLeatherPants: People who worship Sarah Connor as a paragon tend to be the ones who ignore the fact she is a cruel, violent, emotionally unstable bad-mother. Point in fact, [[WordOfGod according to Audio-Commentary]] of the 3-DVD ''Definitive Edition Director's Cut'', Linda Hamilton (the actress who portrayed her) '''and''' James Cameron (Hamilton's then husband '''and''' the creator of the Sarah Connor characters) ''repeatedly'' stressed on ''multiple'' occasions that she is a messed up horror-of-a-human being rather than someone who is meant to be admired. Heck, even ''Sarah'' briefly thinks the Terminator is a better parent than her.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: People who worship Sarah Connor as a paragon of feminist virtue tend to be the ones who ignore the fact she is a cruel, violent, emotionally unstable bad-mother who is actually ''deconstructing'' militant feminism rather than celebrating it. Point in fact, [[WordOfGod according to Audio-Commentary]] of the 3-DVD ''Definitive Edition Director's Cut'', Linda Hamilton (the actress who portrayed her) '''and''' James Cameron (Hamilton's then husband '''and''' the creator of the Sarah Connor characters) ''repeatedly'' stressed on ''multiple'' occasions that she is a messed up horror-of-a-human being rather than someone who is meant to be admired. Heck, even ''Sarah'' briefly thinks the Terminator is a better parent than her.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: People who worship Sarah Connor as a paragon of feminist virtue tend to be the ones who ignore the fact she is a cruel, violent, emotionally unstable bad-mother who is actually ''deconstructing'' militant feminism rather than celebrating it.bad-mother. Point in fact, [[WordOfGod according to Audio-Commentary]] of the 3-DVD ''Definitive Edition Director's Cut'', Linda Hamilton (the actress who portrayed her) '''and''' James Cameron (Hamilton's then husband '''and''' the creator of the Sarah Connor characters) ''repeatedly'' stressed on ''multiple'' occasions that she is a messed up horror-of-a-human being rather than someone who is meant to be admired. Heck, even ''Sarah'' briefly thinks the Terminator is a better parent than her.
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* {{Narm}}: John's "acting human" lessons have ''really'' not aged well.
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The T-1000 completely blew the audience mind when Terminator 2 came out, and still looks amazing today. ''Terminator 2'' and ''Film/JurassicPark'' are credited for the CGI revolution.

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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The T-1000 completely blew the audience mind audience's minds when Terminator 2 came out, and still looks amazing today. ''Terminator 2'' and ''Film/JurassicPark'' are credited for the CGI revolution.
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* HellIsThatNoise: The mixture of metallic screeching and animal screams that the T-1000 makes after being blown apart by the grenade.
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* {{Squick}}: The T-800 cutting the skin off it's own arm for the RoboticReveal.

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* {{Squick}}: The T-800 cutting the skin off it's its own arm for the RoboticReveal.
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* {{Narm}}: John's attempts at teaching the T-800 how to act human ''really'' haven't aged well.
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** John Connor mentioning that the Russians are "our friends now." Wait until 2014!
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* {{Narm}}: John's attempts at teaching the T-800 how to act human ''really'' haven't aged well.
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* FanNickname: In the early days "Liquidator" was sometimes used as the moniker for the T-1000, but it never really stuck and today it has fallen into disuse.
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Wrong trope. Actually A Doombot is when a character is defeated and it turns out to be a fake.


* {{Squick}}: The T-800 cutting the skin off it's own arm to prove it's ActuallyADoombot.

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* {{Squick}}: The T-800 cutting the skin off it's own arm to prove it's ActuallyADoombot.
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** To be fair, this isn't helped by the fact that the scene explaining ''how'' the Terminator starts to learn is not present in the most common version of the film. The surgical scene - which also has an important moment with John asserting himself as the leader he's supposed to be - with the T-800 having his learning processes switched on explains everything about the T-800's development from thereon, including the weary ''"I need a vacation.."'' and his understanding of John's crying all comes from a scene not present in the original cut of the movie. It even justifies the machine's will to get back up after the beatdown from the T-800, being more a matter of heart and the will to protect John than just the backup power conveniently coming on.

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** To be fair, this isn't helped by the fact that the scene explaining ''how'' the Terminator starts to learn is not present in the most common version of the film. The surgical scene - which also has an important moment with John asserting himself as the leader he's supposed to be - with the T-800 having his learning processes switched on explains everything about the T-800's development from thereon, including the weary ''"I need a vacation.."'' and his understanding of John's crying all comes from a scene not present in the original cut of the movie. It even justifies the machine's will to get back up after the beatdown from the T-800, T-1000, being more a matter of heart and the will to protect John than just the backup power conveniently coming on.
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** To be fair, this isn't helped by the fact that the scene explaining ''how'' the Terminator starts to learn is not present in the most common version of the film. The surgical scene - which also has an important moment with John asserting himself as the leader he's supposed to be - with the T-800 having his learning processes switched on explains everything about the T-800's development from thereon, including the weary ''"I need a vacation.."'' and his understanding of John's crying all comes from a scene not present in the original cut of the movie. It even justifies the machine's will to get back up after the beatdown from the T-800, being more a matter of heart and the will to protect John than just the backup power conveniently coming on.
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** It also helps to explain later, when the T-800 ''genuinely'' smirks. They actually laid the groundwork for Arnold's one-liners.

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* MisaimedFandom: See DracoInLeatherPants entry above.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Watching Sarah Connor struggle with her emotional instability is a lot harder in light of Linda Hamilton later admitting to suffering from bi-polar disorder in real life.
* MisaimedFandom: See DracoInLeatherPants entry above. An examination of a woman nearly losing her sanity and humanity due to being burdened with terrible, unfathomable knowledge is often mistaken for promoting feminist empowerment.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense that a machine with detailed information on human anatomy would need to scan an actual smile for reference. The Terminators have information on human anatomy, yes-- but '''''not''' human emotions'', and their programming couldn't have included any data on something the machines didn't understand in the first place (see also: "Why do you cry?").

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* FridgeBrilliance: Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense that for a machine with detailed information on human anatomy would need to have to scan an actual smile for reference. The Terminators have information on human anatomy, yes-- but '''''not''' ''not on human emotions'', '''emotions''''', and their programming couldn't have included any data on something the machines didn't understand in the first place (see also: "Why do you cry?").
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* FridgeBrilliance: Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense that a machine with detailed information on human anatomy would need to scan an actual smile for reference. The Terminators have information on human anatomy, yes-- but '''''not''' human emotions'', and the machines couldn't have included any data on something they didn't understand (see also: "Why do you cry?").

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* FridgeBrilliance: Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense that a machine with detailed information on human anatomy would need to scan an actual smile for reference. The Terminators have information on human anatomy, yes-- but '''''not''' human emotions'', and the machines their programming couldn't have included any data on something they the machines didn't understand in the first place (see also: "Why do you cry?").
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* FridgeBrilliance: Many viewers complained about the extra scene where the T-800 smiles awkwardly, saying that it made no sense that a machine with detailed information on human anatomy would need to scan an actual smile for reference. The Terminators have information on human anatomy, yes-- but '''''not''' human emotions'', and the machines couldn't have included any data on something they didn't understand (see also: "Why do you cry?").
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The T-1000 completely blew the audience mind when Terminator 2 came out, and still looks amazing today. It, and ''Film/JurassicPark'', are credited for the CGI revolution.

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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The T-1000 completely blew the audience mind when Terminator 2 came out, and still looks amazing today. It, ''Terminator 2'' and ''Film/JurassicPark'', ''Film/JurassicPark'' are credited for the CGI revolution.

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** Several revolutionary special effects shots involving the T-1000, including walking through bars, being shot in the eye and healing, and being shattered and reforming.
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Since these are in-universe.


* SpecialEffectFailure: Happens in-story to the T-1000 after it recovers from being frozen and re-melted. Its morphing ability becomes damaged, causing it to involuntarily take on the appearance of things it touches (a striped railing, the patterned metal floor); also, its feet partially melt into what it's standing on, and its chrome form ripples through its "skin" a couple of times. This was only briefly shown in the theatrical edition, but expanded on in the [[{{Recut}} director's cut]]. Also occurs genuinely in a few other scenes like the bar brawl.
* UncannyValley: The T-1000 fits this trope for most of his screentime in T2. On the commentary, co-writer Bill Wisher points out that throughout the film, Robert Patrick, who plays the T-1000, moves like a human being but just a ''tad'' smoother (because he's a liquid creature). In the scene where he talks to John's foster parents and again when he arrives at the mental hospital to ask the night nurse to see Sarah Connor, he behaves like a normal person(even smiling in a natural way in the former scene), but still puts out a subtly menacing vibe. Being a more advanced terminator and remaining more true to James Cameron's original idea of the terminator as an under-the-radar infiltrator (he disguises himself as a ''cop'' for crying out loud), it's expected that he could more accurately mimic a human posture, mannerisms and demeanor, but still do so in such a way that there was still something "off" and spooky about him. James Cameron mentioned in the "making of" video that part of why he cast Robert Patrick was because "he moves like a cat", and the T-1000 regards its environment in an almost feline way.
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The T-1000 completely blew the audience mind when Terminator 2 came out, and still looks amazing today. It, and ''Film/JurassicPark'', are credited for the CGI revolution.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: People who worship Sarah Connor as a paragon of feminist virtue tend to be the ones who ignore the fact she is a cruel, violent, emotionally unstable bad-mother who is actually ''deconstructing'' militant feminism rather than celebrating it. Point in fact, [[WordOfGod according to Audio-Commentary]] of the 3-DVD ''Definitive Edition Director's Cut'', Linda Hamilton (the actress who portrayed her) '''and''' James Cameron (Hamilton's then husband '''and''' the creator of the Sarah Connor characters) ''repeatedly'' stressed on ''multiple'' occasions that she is a messed up horror-of-a-human being rather than someone who is meant to be admired. Heck, even ''Sarah'' briefly thinks the Terminator is a better parent than her.
* EvenBetterSequel: T2 is commonly held to be one of the best movie sequels of all time, and many fans prefer it to the original.
* MisaimedFandom: See DracoInLeatherPants entry above.
* SignatureScene:
** The nuclear annihilation sequence from the first few minutes of the movie.
** The T-800 giving a thumbs-up as he [[spoiler:sacrifices himself in the incinerator.]]
* SpecialEffectFailure: Happens in-story to the T-1000 after it recovers from being frozen and re-melted. Its morphing ability becomes damaged, causing it to involuntarily take on the appearance of things it touches (a striped railing, the patterned metal floor); also, its feet partially melt into what it's standing on, and its chrome form ripples through its "skin" a couple of times. This was only briefly shown in the theatrical edition, but expanded on in the [[{{Recut}} director's cut]]. Also occurs genuinely in a few other scenes like the bar brawl.
* UncannyValley: The T-1000 fits this trope for most of his screentime in T2. On the commentary, co-writer Bill Wisher points out that throughout the film, Robert Patrick, who plays the T-1000, moves like a human being but just a ''tad'' smoother (because he's a liquid creature). In the scene where he talks to John's foster parents and again when he arrives at the mental hospital to ask the night nurse to see Sarah Connor, he behaves like a normal person(even smiling in a natural way in the former scene), but still puts out a subtly menacing vibe. Being a more advanced terminator and remaining more true to James Cameron's original idea of the terminator as an under-the-radar infiltrator (he disguises himself as a ''cop'' for crying out loud), it's expected that he could more accurately mimic a human posture, mannerisms and demeanor, but still do so in such a way that there was still something "off" and spooky about him. James Cameron mentioned in the "making of" video that part of why he cast Robert Patrick was because "he moves like a cat", and the T-1000 regards its environment in an almost feline way.
* {{Woolseyism}}: The famous line "Hasta la vista, baby!" became [[KeepItForeign "¡Sayonara, baby!"]] in the Spaniard dub. It became just as popular in Spain as the original in America.

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