History YMMV / Terminator

14th Nov '15 8:54:49 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* TechnologyMarchesOn: As [[https://xkcd.com/652/ XKCD]] points out, our real-life killer robots are much more effective than the ones in the movies.
8th Sep '15 4:48:16 PM SunriseWarrior
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** Many fans assume that Terminators are colorblind since "Termovision" is always in one color (with the exception Cameron in ''Sarah Connor Chronicles''). However, in a FreezeFrameBonus, you can actually read the text in the Terminator's HUD and find digitized color, brightness and hue values. So, it sees color alright--just not in a way ''we'' understand it.
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** Many fans assume that Terminators are colorblind since "Termovision" is always in one color (with the exception of Cameron in ''Sarah Connor Chronicles''). However, in a FreezeFrameBonus, you can actually read the text in the Terminator's HUD and find digitized color, brightness and hue values. So, it sees color alright--just not in a way ''we'' understand it.
14th Aug '15 9:51:10 AM KingZeal
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Salvation takes place in its own timeline where time travel hasn't happened yet.
* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Skynet]] is a [[AIIsACrapshoot malevolent, megalomaniacal AI]] whose first action upon gaining full sentience was [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]], a [[NukeEm nuclear genocide]] designed to [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]] and assure its own ascension. In the DeathWorld that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it [[Film/TerminatorSalvation turns Marcus Wright]] into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly]] delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this plan fails, Skynet avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to [[RetGone wipe out John Connor and his mother]] before he can grow up to lead LaResistance. It also [[Film/TerminatorGenisys corrupts and turns]] [[spoiler:John]] into a machine in order to destroy [[spoiler:his image and place]] as humanity's last hope and use him for its own means of success. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to GreaterScopeVillain status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.
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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Skynet]] is a [[AIIsACrapshoot malevolent, megalomaniacal AI]] whose first action upon gaining full sentience was [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]], a [[NukeEm nuclear genocide]] designed to [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]] and assure its own ascension. In the DeathWorld that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it [[Film/TerminatorSalvation turns Marcus Wright]] into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly]] delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this plan fails, More generally, Skynet avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to [[RetGone wipe out John Connor and his mother]] before he can grow up to lead LaResistance. It also [[Film/TerminatorGenisys corrupts and turns]] [[spoiler:John]] into a machine in order to destroy [[spoiler:his image and place]] as humanity's last hope and use him for its own means of success. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to GreaterScopeVillain status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.
14th Aug '15 9:25:17 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Skynet]] is a [[AIIsACrapshoot malevolent, megalomaniacal AI]] whose first action upon gaining full sentience was [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]], a [[NukeEm nuclear genocide]] designed to [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]] and assure its own ascension. In the DeathWorld that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it [[Film/TerminatorSalvation turns Marcus Wright]] into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly]] delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this blows up in its face, it avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to [[RetGone wipe out John Connor and his mother]] before he can grow up to lead LaResistance. It also [[Film/TerminatorGenisys corrupts and turns]] [[spoiler:John]] into a machine in order to destroy [[spoiler:his image and place]] as humanity's last hope and use him for its own means of success. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to GreaterScopeVillain status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.
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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Skynet]] is a [[AIIsACrapshoot malevolent, megalomaniacal AI]] whose first action upon gaining full sentience was [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]], a [[NukeEm nuclear genocide]] designed to [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]] and assure its own ascension. In the DeathWorld that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it [[Film/TerminatorSalvation turns Marcus Wright]] into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly]] delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this blows up in its face, it plan fails, Skynet avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to [[RetGone wipe out John Connor and his mother]] before he can grow up to lead LaResistance. It also [[Film/TerminatorGenisys corrupts and turns]] [[spoiler:John]] into a machine in order to destroy [[spoiler:his image and place]] as humanity's last hope and use him for its own means of success. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to GreaterScopeVillain status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.
14th Aug '15 7:46:21 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Skynet]] is a [[AIIsACrapshoot malevolent, megalomaniacal AI]] whose first action upon gaining full sentience was [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]], a [[NukeEm nuclear genocide]] designed to [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]] and assure its own ascension. In the DeathWorld that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it turns Marcus Wright into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly]] delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this blows up in its face, it avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to [[RetGone wipe out John Connor and his mother]] before he can grow up to lead LaResistance. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to BiggerBad status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.
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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Skynet]] is a [[AIIsACrapshoot malevolent, megalomaniacal AI]] whose first action upon gaining full sentience was [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]], a [[NukeEm nuclear genocide]] designed to [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]] and assure its own ascension. In the DeathWorld that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it [[Film/TerminatorSalvation turns Marcus Wright Wright]] into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly]] delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this blows up in its face, it avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to [[RetGone wipe out John Connor and his mother]] before he can grow up to lead LaResistance. It also [[Film/TerminatorGenisys corrupts and turns]] [[spoiler:John]] into a machine in order to destroy [[spoiler:his image and place]] as humanity's last hope and use him for its own means of success. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to BiggerBad GreaterScopeVillain status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.
6th Aug '15 7:22:14 AM KingZeal
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Skynet's ComplexityAddiction. For an all-powerful, hyper-intelligent supercomputer, Skynet's plans are incredibly convoluted. Over the years, many people have pointed out all the ways Skynet, with its unlimited resources and supposedly limitless intellect could have killed John Connor, or even the Human Resistance outright. This was forgivable in the first two movies because time travel was spoken of as a last-ditch effort, so Skynet didn't really have much time to plan. However, with each subsequent movie, book, comic, series, etc. that's released, the time-travel-was-a-desperation-move aspect gets retconned further and further. This means that Skynet has more time to plan and, in fact, has almost ''unlimited'' time to plan. This has the adverse effect of making the central premise of the series not only less believable but harder to keep straight, since time travel theorems are both way over the average audience member's head and very easy for writers to screw up.
3rd Aug '15 10:55:19 AM KingZeal
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* CommonKnowledge: ** Due to the first film's StableTimeLoop, most fans assume that Cameron backpedaled on the bleak, dark tone of the series in the second movie. However, Cameron himself has stated that he always considered T1 only "half" of the complete story. Literally, in fact, since he had to cut out half of his original concept due to limitations in time and budget. The T-1000 and the race to prevent the future were all orignal ideas that didn't make it but were incorporated in the sequel. ** Many fans assume that Terminators are colorblind since "Termovision" is always in one color (with the exception Cameron in ''Sarah Connor Chronicles''). However, in a FreezeFrameBonus, you can actually read the text in the Terminator's HUD and find digitized color, brightness and hue values. So, it sees color alright--just not in a way ''we'' understand it.
1st Aug '15 8:05:02 PM Anddrix
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Not YMMV
* BrokenAesop: The central Aesop of the story (even stated by Cameron himself) is "the value of human life". The second film, in fact, goes at length to teach the heroic T-800 why killing people is wrong. Sarah Connor's character arc in the same movie has her starting as someone who sees all of humanity as already dead and justifies her most horrible actions as being for TheNeedsOfTheMany, and ending as someone who is humbled by ''a machine's'' ability to understand humanity's worth better than even she. The problem, as many critics have noted, however, is that the series largely conforms to the importance of ''ONE'' human in particular: John Connor. Although John himself is selfless and risks his life countless times to protect others, when the ante is upped, all of the heroic characters will allow others to die to ensure that John (or his mother, wife, and others) does not. ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'', in one of their videos, commented on this, as the third movie establishes that John is not the only vital person in the Resistance, and thus there are many others who are in need of protection--something that the movie outright ignores. An attempt was made to correct this in the fourth film, whereas "John Connor" would become a LegacyCharacter that any human could become, but leaking this information led to InternetBackdraft and, once again, John's life is saved at the cost of others. The fifth movie zig-zags this Aesop, as the John we know is [[UnwillingRoboticization roboticized]] and in the new timeline, he is no longer conceived in 1984 and for all intents and purposes doesn't exist. However, his conception is still considered a high priority for the new heroic Terminator ("Pops"), and his parents (Sarah and Kyle) are still Skynet's primary targets for termination. This plot development was likely [[SequelHook left hanging for future films]], but becase ''Genisys'' underperformed at the box office, the two planned sequels are left in question.
1st Aug '15 7:48:55 PM KingZeal
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* BrokenAesop: The central Aesop of the story (even stated by Cameron himself) is "the value of human life". The second film, in fact, goes at length to teach the heroic T-800 why killing people is wrong. Sarah Connor's character arc in the same movie has her starting as someone who sees all of humanity as already dead and justifies her most horrible actions as being for TheNeedsOfTheMany, and ending as someone who is humbled by ''a machine's'' ability to understand humanity's worth better than even she. The problem, as many critics have noted, however, is that the series largely conforms to the importance of ''ONE'' human in particular: John Connor. Although John himself is selfless and risks his life countless times to protect others, when the ante is upped, all of the heroic characters will allow others to die to ensure that John (or his mother, wife, and others) does not. ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'', in one of their videos, commented on this, as the third movie establishes that John is not the only vital person in the Resistance, and thus there are many others who are in need of protection--something that the movie outright ignores. An attempt was made to correct this in the fourth film, whereas "John Connor" would become a LegacyCharacter that any human could become, but leaking this information led to InternetBackdraft and, once again, John's life is saved at the cost of others. The fifth movie zig-zags this Aesop, as the John we know is [[UnwillingRoboticization roboticized]] and in the new timeline, he is no longer conceived in 1984 and for all intents and purposes doesn't exist. However, his conception is still considered a high priority for the new heroic Terminator ("Pops"), and his parents (Sarah and Kyle) are still Skynet's primary targets for termination. This plot development was likely [[SequelBait left hanging for future films]], but becase ''Genisys'' underperformed at the box office, the two planned sequels are left in question.
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* BrokenAesop: The central Aesop of the story (even stated by Cameron himself) is "the value of human life". The second film, in fact, goes at length to teach the heroic T-800 why killing people is wrong. Sarah Connor's character arc in the same movie has her starting as someone who sees all of humanity as already dead and justifies her most horrible actions as being for TheNeedsOfTheMany, and ending as someone who is humbled by ''a machine's'' ability to understand humanity's worth better than even she. The problem, as many critics have noted, however, is that the series largely conforms to the importance of ''ONE'' human in particular: John Connor. Although John himself is selfless and risks his life countless times to protect others, when the ante is upped, all of the heroic characters will allow others to die to ensure that John (or his mother, wife, and others) does not. ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'', in one of their videos, commented on this, as the third movie establishes that John is not the only vital person in the Resistance, and thus there are many others who are in need of protection--something that the movie outright ignores. An attempt was made to correct this in the fourth film, whereas "John Connor" would become a LegacyCharacter that any human could become, but leaking this information led to InternetBackdraft and, once again, John's life is saved at the cost of others. The fifth movie zig-zags this Aesop, as the John we know is [[UnwillingRoboticization roboticized]] and in the new timeline, he is no longer conceived in 1984 and for all intents and purposes doesn't exist. However, his conception is still considered a high priority for the new heroic Terminator ("Pops"), and his parents (Sarah and Kyle) are still Skynet's primary targets for termination. This plot development was likely [[SequelBait [[SequelHook left hanging for future films]], but becase ''Genisys'' underperformed at the box office, the two planned sequels are left in question.
1st Aug '15 7:48:35 PM KingZeal
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* BrokenAesop: The central Aesop of the story (even stated by Cameron himself) is "the value of human life". The second film, in fact, goes at length to teach the heroic T-800 why killing people is wrong. Sarah Connor's character arc in the same movie has her starting as someone who sees all of humanity as already dead and justifies her most horrible actions as being for TheNeedsOfTheMany, and ending as someone who is humbled by ''a machine's'' ability to understand humanity's worth better than even she. The problem, as many critics have noted, however, is that the series largely conforms to the importance of ''ONE'' human in particular: John Connor. Although John himself is selfless and risks his life countless times to protect others, when the ante is upped, all of the heroic characters will allow others to die to ensure that John (or his mother, wife, and others) does not. ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'', in one of their videos, commented on this, as the third movie establishes that John is not the only vital person in the Resistance, and thus there are many others who are in need of protection--something that the movie outright ignores. An attempt was made to correct this in the fourth film, whereas "John Connor" would become a LegacyCharacter that any human could become, but leaking this information led to InternetBackdraft and, once again, John's life is saved at the cost of others. The fifth movie zig-zags this Aesop, as the John we know is [[UnwillingRoboticization roboticized]] and in the new timeline, he is no longer conceived in 1984 and for all intents and purposes doesn't exist. However, his conception is still considered a high priority for the new heroic Terminator ("Pops"), and his parents (Sarah and Kyle) are still Skynet's primary targets for termination. This plot development was likely [[SequelBait left hanging for future films]], but becase ''Genisys'' underperformed at the box office, the two planned sequels are left in question.
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