History YMMV / Terminator

31st Jul '16 6:07:08 AM SunriseWarrior
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** There is also a vocal faction of Sarah Connor fans who consider only the first two movies and ''The Sarah Connor Chronicles'' to be canon, and reject ''Rise of the Machines'' and ''Salvation'' for not depicting her. They are also reacting badly to spoilers about the reported major retcons to her character in ''Genisys''.

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** There is also a vocal faction of Sarah Connor fans who consider only the first two movies and ''The Sarah Connor Chronicles'' to be canon, and reject ''Rise of the Machines'' and ''Salvation'' for not depicting her. They are also reacting reacted badly to spoilers about the reported major retcons to her character in ''Genisys''.
11th May '16 11:40:48 AM erforce
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** There is also a vocal faction of Sarah Connor fans who consider only the first two movies and ''Series/TheSarahConnorChronicles'' to be canon, and reject ''Rise of the Machines'' and ''Salvation'' for not depicting her. They are also reacting badly to spoilers about the reported major retcons to her character in ''Genisys''.

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** There is also a vocal faction of Sarah Connor fans who consider only the first two movies and ''Series/TheSarahConnorChronicles'' ''The Sarah Connor Chronicles'' to be canon, and reject ''Rise of the Machines'' and ''Salvation'' for not depicting her. They are also reacting badly to spoilers about the reported major retcons to her character in ''Genisys''.



** Averted with ''Series/TheSarahConnorChronicles''. Although not ''quite'' as well-regarded as the first two movies, it still has a devoted fanbase, with many deeming it to be a worthy follow-up to ''Terminator 2''. The show's abrupt cancellation after the second season left many fans in despair.

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** Averted with ''Series/TheSarahConnorChronicles''.''The Sarah Connor Chronicles''. Although not ''quite'' as well-regarded as the first two movies, it still has a devoted fanbase, with many deeming it to be a worthy follow-up to ''Terminator 2''. The show's abrupt cancellation after the second season left many fans in despair.
1st Apr '16 9:47:51 AM KingZeal
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Skynet's ComplexityAddiction. For an all-powerful, hyper-intelligent supercomputer, Skynet's plans are incredibly convoluted. Over the years, many people have pointed out all the ways Skynet, with its unlimited resources and supposedly limitless intellect could have killed John Connor, or even the Human Resistance outright. This was forgivable in the first two movies because time travel was spoken of as a last-ditch effort, so Skynet didn't really have much time to plan. However, with each subsequent movie, book, comic, series, etc. that's released, the time-travel-was-a-desperation-move aspect gets retconned further and further. This means that Skynet has more time to plan and, in fact, has almost ''unlimited'' time to plan. This has the adverse effect of making the central premise of the series not only less believable but harder to keep straight, since time travel theorems are both way over the average audience member's head and very easy for writers to screw up.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: FranchiseOriginalSin:
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Skynet's ComplexityAddiction. For an all-powerful, hyper-intelligent supercomputer, Skynet's plans are incredibly convoluted. Over the years, many people have pointed out all the ways Skynet, with its unlimited resources and supposedly limitless intellect could have killed John Connor, or even the Human Resistance outright. This was forgivable in the first two movies because time travel was spoken of as a last-ditch effort, so Skynet didn't really have much time to plan. However, with each subsequent movie, book, comic, series, etc. that's released, the time-travel-was-a-desperation-move aspect gets retconned further and further. This means that Skynet has more time to plan and, in fact, has almost ''unlimited'' time to plan. This has the adverse effect of making the central premise of the series not only less believable but harder to keep straight, since time travel theorems are both way over the average audience member's head and very easy for writers to screw up.up.
** A Terminator, in itself, is an inefficient way to kill people. Biological weapons, radiation, chemicals, and many other things that machines are immune to, but humans are not, would be far better tools. In the first film, it could be explained that Skynet had essentially won against humanity until John Connor showed up out of nowhere, and by the time it realized what was happening, all of the infrastructure and resources to produce those more efficient methods were gone. But then in next few movies, we learn that Skynet has the ability to make Terminators out of nanomachines and also invent nanomachines that can "infect" other machines, and we also learn that even mechanical Terminators are walking nukes. Why not use that stuff on humans? The fourth and fifth movies make this even more questionable, because the Skynets in these timelines KNOWS about what happens in the future and is actively trying to prepare. It finally invents nanos that can infect humans...and uses them on a Terminator that can only infect one person at a time. The aforementioned weapons should be its first priority, but it still focuses on making stronger and more convincing Terminators. At this point, the only explanation is that Skynet is married to the Terminator idea because the franchise's title is, too.
14th Nov '15 8:54:49 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* TechnologyMarchesOn: As [[https://xkcd.com/652/ XKCD]] points out, our real-life killer robots are much more effective than the ones in the movies.
8th Sep '15 4:48:16 PM SunriseWarrior
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** Many fans assume that Terminators are colorblind since "Termovision" is always in one color (with the exception Cameron in ''Sarah Connor Chronicles''). However, in a FreezeFrameBonus, you can actually read the text in the Terminator's HUD and find digitized color, brightness and hue values. So, it sees color alright--just not in a way ''we'' understand it.

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** Many fans assume that Terminators are colorblind since "Termovision" is always in one color (with the exception of Cameron in ''Sarah Connor Chronicles''). However, in a FreezeFrameBonus, you can actually read the text in the Terminator's HUD and find digitized color, brightness and hue values. So, it sees color alright--just not in a way ''we'' understand it.
14th Aug '15 9:51:10 AM KingZeal
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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Skynet]] is a [[AIIsACrapshoot malevolent, megalomaniacal AI]] whose first action upon gaining full sentience was [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]], a [[NukeEm nuclear genocide]] designed to [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]] and assure its own ascension. In the DeathWorld that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it [[Film/TerminatorSalvation turns Marcus Wright]] into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly]] delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this plan fails, Skynet avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to [[RetGone wipe out John Connor and his mother]] before he can grow up to lead LaResistance. It also [[Film/TerminatorGenisys corrupts and turns]] [[spoiler:John]] into a machine in order to destroy [[spoiler:his image and place]] as humanity's last hope and use him for its own means of success. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to GreaterScopeVillain status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.

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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Skynet]] is a [[AIIsACrapshoot malevolent, megalomaniacal AI]] whose first action upon gaining full sentience was [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]], a [[NukeEm nuclear genocide]] designed to [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]] and assure its own ascension. In the DeathWorld that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it [[Film/TerminatorSalvation turns Marcus Wright]] into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly]] delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this plan fails, More generally, Skynet avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to [[RetGone wipe out John Connor and his mother]] before he can grow up to lead LaResistance. It also [[Film/TerminatorGenisys corrupts and turns]] [[spoiler:John]] into a machine in order to destroy [[spoiler:his image and place]] as humanity's last hope and use him for its own means of success. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to GreaterScopeVillain status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.
14th Aug '15 9:25:17 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Skynet]] is a [[AIIsACrapshoot malevolent, megalomaniacal AI]] whose first action upon gaining full sentience was [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]], a [[NukeEm nuclear genocide]] designed to [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]] and assure its own ascension. In the DeathWorld that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it [[Film/TerminatorSalvation turns Marcus Wright]] into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly]] delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this blows up in its face, it avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to [[RetGone wipe out John Connor and his mother]] before he can grow up to lead LaResistance. It also [[Film/TerminatorGenisys corrupts and turns]] [[spoiler:John]] into a machine in order to destroy [[spoiler:his image and place]] as humanity's last hope and use him for its own means of success. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to GreaterScopeVillain status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.

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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Skynet]] is a [[AIIsACrapshoot malevolent, megalomaniacal AI]] whose first action upon gaining full sentience was [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]], a [[NukeEm nuclear genocide]] designed to [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]] and assure its own ascension. In the DeathWorld that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it [[Film/TerminatorSalvation turns Marcus Wright]] into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly]] delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this blows up in its face, it plan fails, Skynet avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to [[RetGone wipe out John Connor and his mother]] before he can grow up to lead LaResistance. It also [[Film/TerminatorGenisys corrupts and turns]] [[spoiler:John]] into a machine in order to destroy [[spoiler:his image and place]] as humanity's last hope and use him for its own means of success. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to GreaterScopeVillain status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.
14th Aug '15 7:46:21 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Skynet]] is a [[AIIsACrapshoot malevolent, megalomaniacal AI]] whose first action upon gaining full sentience was [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]], a [[NukeEm nuclear genocide]] designed to [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]] and assure its own ascension. In the DeathWorld that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it turns Marcus Wright into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly]] delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this blows up in its face, it avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to [[RetGone wipe out John Connor and his mother]] before he can grow up to lead LaResistance. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to BiggerBad status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.

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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Skynet]] is a [[AIIsACrapshoot malevolent, megalomaniacal AI]] whose first action upon gaining full sentience was [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]], a [[NukeEm nuclear genocide]] designed to [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]] and assure its own ascension. In the DeathWorld that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it [[Film/TerminatorSalvation turns Marcus Wright Wright]] into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who [[UnwittingPawn unwittingly]] delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this blows up in its face, it avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to [[RetGone wipe out John Connor and his mother]] before he can grow up to lead LaResistance. It also [[Film/TerminatorGenisys corrupts and turns]] [[spoiler:John]] into a machine in order to destroy [[spoiler:his image and place]] as humanity's last hope and use him for its own means of success. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to BiggerBad GreaterScopeVillain status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.
6th Aug '15 7:22:14 AM KingZeal
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Skynet's ComplexityAddiction. For an all-powerful, hyper-intelligent supercomputer, Skynet's plans are incredibly convoluted. Over the years, many people have pointed out all the ways Skynet, with its unlimited resources and supposedly limitless intellect could have killed John Connor, or even the Human Resistance outright. This was forgivable in the first two movies because time travel was spoken of as a last-ditch effort, so Skynet didn't really have much time to plan. However, with each subsequent movie, book, comic, series, etc. that's released, the time-travel-was-a-desperation-move aspect gets retconned further and further. This means that Skynet has more time to plan and, in fact, has almost ''unlimited'' time to plan. This has the adverse effect of making the central premise of the series not only less believable but harder to keep straight, since time travel theorems are both way over the average audience member's head and very easy for writers to screw up.
3rd Aug '15 10:55:19 AM KingZeal
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* CommonKnowledge:
** Due to the first film's StableTimeLoop, most fans assume that Cameron backpedaled on the bleak, dark tone of the series in the second movie. However, Cameron himself has stated that he always considered T1 only "half" of the complete story. Literally, in fact, since he had to cut out half of his original concept due to limitations in time and budget. The T-1000 and the race to prevent the future were all orignal ideas that didn't make it but were incorporated in the sequel.
** Many fans assume that Terminators are colorblind since "Termovision" is always in one color (with the exception Cameron in ''Sarah Connor Chronicles''). However, in a FreezeFrameBonus, you can actually read the text in the Terminator's HUD and find digitized color, brightness and hue values. So, it sees color alright--just not in a way ''we'' understand it.
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