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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Season 3 is the only season that didn't have Creator/BillLawrence as a show-runner, as he left the show to work on Series/{{Shrinking}}. It's also agreed to be the weakest of the show's seasons, thanks to a dip in the writing quality.

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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Season 3 is the only season that didn't have Creator/BillLawrence as a show-runner, as he left the show to work on Series/{{Shrinking}}.''Series/{{Shrinking}}''. It's also agreed to be the weakest of the show's seasons, thanks to a dip in the writing quality.
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** Roy Kent is CGI[[note]]A popular joke online is that Roy is actually a CGI created character due to Brett Goldstein's performance being so natural as well as the fact he looks similar to a character model in the VideoGame/FIFASoccer video game series.[[/note]]

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* RealismInducedHorror: Both of Sam's major plots in Season 3 are full of this. In "The Strings That Bind Us", he becomes a target for a bigoted politician and her racist supporters just because he shows support for a group of African refugees on social media and it culminates in his restaurant being vandalized. Then "International Break" has him have to deal with Edwin Akufo actively using his vast fortune and influence to ruin his life all because he had inadvertently offended the guy the previous year. Both are frightening demonstrations of how [[EvilIsPetty bad people can be extremely petty in the real world]] and that even the most innocuous acts can incur their wrath.

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* RealismInducedHorror: Both of Sam's major plots in Season 3 are full of this. In "The Strings That Bind Us", he becomes a target for a bigoted politician and her racist supporters just because he shows support for a group of African refugees on social media media, and it culminates in his restaurant being vandalized. Then "International Break" has him have to deal with Edwin Akufo actively using his vast fortune and influence to ruin his life all because he had inadvertently offended the guy the previous year. Both are frightening demonstrations of how [[EvilIsPetty bad people can be extremely petty in the real world]] and that even the most innocuous acts can incur their wrath.



** Jamie Tartt was always regarded as a well written and performed character, but he was the least popular member of the main cast in Season 1, due to being [[{{Jerkass}} a huge dick]] who never fully [[TookALevelInKindness Takes a Level in Kindness]] after being forcibly PutOnABus. Season 2 sees him return to the team and greatly advances his CharacterDevelopment, helping to further illustrate [[FreudianExcuse why he was such a jerk]] and showing him grow and makes amends with his previous enemies, becoming a true team player and NiceGuy. Safe to say, the fanbase loved him by the end of Season 2.
** An interesting example with Nate: who after spending Season 1 as an [[NiceGuy incredibly sweet guy]] who's [[HiddenDepths much more than an ordinary kitman]] started to be viewed as TheScrappy by some of the fanbase during his FaceHeelTurn in Season 2 (although many fans also enjoyed Nick Mohammed's portrayal of Nate as an excellent and nuanced villain once they realised he wasn't just UnintentionallyUnsympathetic). Then in Season 3 Nate fell under this category for real: with many fans rooting for his CharacterDevelopment as he learned to let go of his self-destructive patterns and grow in confidence in a positive manner. By the time he [[HeelFaceTurn rejected Rupert]] and apologised to Will for his previous actions, the fans were rooting for him again.

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** Jamie Tartt was always regarded as a well written well-written and performed character, but he was the least popular member of the main cast in Season 1, due to being [[{{Jerkass}} a huge dick]] who never fully [[TookALevelInKindness Takes a Level in Kindness]] TookALevelInKindness after being forcibly PutOnABus. Season 2 sees him return to the team and greatly advances his CharacterDevelopment, helping to further illustrate [[FreudianExcuse why he was such a jerk]] and showing him grow and makes make amends with his previous enemies, becoming a true team player and NiceGuy. Safe to say, the fanbase loved him by the end of Season 2.
** An interesting example with Nate: who after spending Season 1 as an [[NiceGuy incredibly sweet guy]] who's [[HiddenDepths much more than an ordinary kitman]] started to be viewed as TheScrappy by some of the fanbase during his FaceHeelTurn in Season 2 (although many fans also enjoyed Nick Mohammed's portrayal of Nate as an excellent and nuanced villain once they realised he wasn't just UnintentionallyUnsympathetic). Then in Season 3 Nate fell under this category for real: real, with many fans rooting for his CharacterDevelopment as he learned to let go of his self-destructive patterns and grow in confidence in a positive manner. By the time he [[HeelFaceTurn rejected Rupert]] and apologised to Will for his previous actions, the fans were rooting for him again.



** One could argue that they wasted a perfectly good character arc with Nate. While Season 2 set up him to become a rival to ted and Richmond, by extension, this side is hardly explored. While he lobbies a few insults in the first episode of Season 3, there is nothing after that. For that matter, despite his team's success, there is little to no focus on his coaching, making his skills come off as an InformedAbility.[[note]]It's even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by George Cartrick, who argues that Rupert is the reason West Ham made it to second place.[[/note]]

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** One could argue that they wasted a perfectly good character arc with Nate. While Season 2 set up him to become a rival to ted and Richmond, by extension, this side is hardly explored. While he lobbies lobs a few insults in the first episode of Season 3, there is nothing after that. For that matter, despite his team's success, there is little to no focus on his coaching, making his skills come off as an InformedAbility.[[note]]It's even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by George Cartrick, who argues that Rupert is the reason West Ham made it to second place.[[/note]]



** A big complaint about the team's protest against Dubai Air is that there is no significant fallout from the team's actions, despite the fact that a professional team openly turning against their major sponsor would realistically have major publicity, financial, and legal ramifications. Bantr, the dating website Keeley was promoting, simply takes over the role of kit sponsor between episodes and the protest is only occasionally mentioned in subsequent episodes, always in positive terms. Some critics noted this severely underplays the bravery the initial act was portrayed with, as they way things play out makes it appear that apparently they weren't taking any kind of big risk after all.
** Many fans have argued that for a show that has focused a lot on accountability, both the damage Rebecca could have done to Ted and to Richmond in Season 1 and the damage of the team's bullying to Nate has largely been glossed over so far. Considering the show's tendency to refer back to past arcs, however, this might be touched on later.

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** A big complaint about the team's protest against Dubai Air is that there is no significant fallout from the team's actions, despite the fact that a professional team openly turning against their major sponsor would realistically have major publicity, financial, and legal ramifications. Bantr, the dating website Keeley was promoting, simply takes over the role of kit sponsor between episodes and the protest is only occasionally mentioned in subsequent episodes, always in positive terms. Some critics noted this severely underplays the bravery the initial act was portrayed with, as they the way things play out makes it appear that apparently they weren't taking any kind of big risk after all.
** Many fans have argued that for a show that has focused a lot on accountability, both the damage Rebecca could have done to Ted and to Richmond in Season 1 1, and the damage of the team's bullying to Nate has Nate, was largely been glossed over so far. Considering over. While the show's tendency to refer back to past arcs, however, this might be touched on later.players finally reconcile with Nate, ''he's'' the one who apologises, with the players' own bullying behaviour towards him not even getting a mention.



*** In the same vein, practically nothing of shown of [[spoiler:the West Ham players themselves, and particularly, how they react to Nate's management style. West Ham's success under Nate shows that, at the very least, they're willing to follow his tactical instructions, but whether they approve of his methods is another matter entirely. It would have been a perfect opportunity to double down on Nate's status as Ted's {{Foil}}, by showing his players successful yet resentful of his bullying style, in contrast to Ted whose players are successful ''and'' far better off emotionally than they were before his arrival.

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*** In the same vein, practically nothing of shown of [[spoiler:the West Ham players themselves, and particularly, how they react to Nate's management style. West Ham's success under Nate shows that, at the very least, they're willing to follow his tactical instructions, but whether they approve of his methods is another matter entirely. It would have been a perfect opportunity to double down on Nate's status as Ted's {{Foil}}, by showing his players successful yet resentful of his bullying style, in contrast to Ted whose players are successful ''and'' far better off emotionally than they were before his arrival.]]

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** Rather than exploring the rationale and ramifications of the team's violent reaction to learning that Nate had torn up the locker room Believe sign, the show skips ahead several weeks to the point after which all the Richmond players' suspensions for their red cards are up. This avoids any exploration of the team's guilt or lack thereof for the physical violence; any feelings they may have towards Ted for keeping Nate's actions a secret from them; how Nate might view it as an extension of their previous behaviour towards him; or how Zava might consider the behaviour alarmingly over the top, and presents the events of the game as nothing more than self sabotage. The fact that the next time the team encounters Nate [[spoiler:is when they have decided to forgive Nate and ask him to return to Richmond]], makes the lack of a follow up to and exploration of their reaction all the more baffling, as their actions indicated that they would not be so easily forgiving of him and makes their sudden change in attitude very jarring. The plot is also given no follow up during the Richmond-West Ham rematch, with the West Ham players showing no signs of resentment or wanting revenge for the previous dirty play despite such feelings being fairly common in soccer matches.
** Edwin Akufo's proposed a super league that could harm smaller, locally significant teams and make tickets to games even less accessible to working class fans would have been a perfect story for development for Sam, who has a history of social consciousness and activism (his Dubai Air protest and conflict with a bigoted home secretary), acknowledgement and appreciation of ordinary people (his appreciation for the workers in his restaurant, the gala photographers, and the children wearing his jersey that convinced him to stay at Richmond), and personal conflict with Akufo, who had spent the rest of the episode ruining Sam's life. Instead, Sam has no role in the resolution at all, and the league is stopped in the boardroom thanks to Rebecca, who unlike Sam is never shown having real or positive interactions with working class people outside of the world of football and rarely even seems to care about football as a sport rather than a mechanism through which she can beat Rupert, making a pretty speech to a roomful of billionaires. This is especially egregious because the European Super League ''did'' get owners signing on, and was stopped through a mass movement of players and working class fans pressuring the founding clubs into withdrawing their support, not the benevolence of an owner.

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*** In the same vein, practically nothing of shown of [[spoiler:the West Ham players themselves, and particularly, how they react to Nate's management style. West Ham's success under Nate shows that, at the very least, they're willing to follow his tactical instructions, but whether they approve of his methods is another matter entirely. It would have been a perfect opportunity to double down on Nate's status as Ted's {{Foil}}, by showing his players successful yet resentful of his bullying style, in contrast to Ted whose players are successful ''and'' far better off emotionally than they were before his arrival.
** Rather than exploring the rationale and ramifications of the team's violent reaction to learning that Nate had torn up the locker room Believe sign, the show skips ahead several weeks to the point after which all the Richmond players' suspensions for their red cards are up. This avoids any exploration of the team's guilt or lack thereof for the physical violence; any feelings they may have towards Ted for keeping Nate's actions a secret from them; how Nate might view it as an extension of their previous behaviour towards him; or how Zava might consider the behaviour alarmingly over the top, and presents the events of the game as nothing more than self sabotage. self-sabotage. The fact that the next time the team encounters Nate [[spoiler:is when they have decided to forgive Nate and ask him to return to Richmond]], makes the lack of a follow up follow-up to and exploration of their reaction all the more baffling, as their actions indicated that they would not be so easily forgiving of him and makes their sudden change in attitude very jarring. The plot is also given no follow up during the Richmond-West Ham rematch, with the West Ham players showing no signs of resentment or wanting revenge for the previous dirty play despite such feelings being fairly common in soccer matches.
** Edwin Akufo's proposed a super league league, that could harm smaller, locally significant teams and make tickets to games even less accessible to working class fans working-class fans, would have been a perfect story for development for Sam, who has a history of social consciousness and activism (his Dubai Air protest and conflict with a bigoted home secretary), acknowledgement and appreciation of ordinary people (his appreciation for the workers in his restaurant, the gala photographers, and the children wearing his jersey that convinced him to stay at Richmond), and personal conflict with Akufo, who had spent the rest of the episode ruining Sam's life. Instead, Sam has no role in the resolution at all, and the league is stopped in the boardroom thanks to Rebecca, who unlike Sam is never shown having real or positive interactions with working class people outside of the world of football and rarely even seems to care about football as a sport rather than a mechanism through which she can beat Rupert, making a pretty speech to a roomful of billionaires. This is especially egregious because the European Super League ''did'' get owners signing on, and was stopped through a mass movement of players and working class working-class fans pressuring the founding clubs into withdrawing their support, not the benevolence of an owner.
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** Edwin Akufo is loved for being a hilariously dickish PsychopathicManchild, to the point his actor Creator/SamRichardson won an Emmy for Best Guest Actor in a Comedy for his performance.
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** When Ted first goes to Dr. Sharon and explains why he doesn't like therapists, he complains that therapists charge for an hour of work but only talk to their patients for 50 minutes. This would've been the perfect opportunity for her to explain ''why'' that is (that last 10 minutes is for the therapist to take notes on the session, thereby preparing them for the next, mentally reset for their next patient, and take a bathroom break), but she never does. For a series that focuses so much on mental health, it can seem odd to bring up this common question and simply leave it unanswered.

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* CommonKnowledge: The show has a reputation among the general public for being a very upbeat and positive show. The truth is that, while it does contain a lot of warmth and positivity, it also features a lot of darker issues and tragedy. In just the first season we have: [[spoiler:Ted's marriage falling apart, Rebecca's bullying from her ex-husband, Roy suffering a CareerEndingInjury, and Richmond getting relegated and that relegation being part of Rebecca trying to destroy the club from the inside.]] The second adds to this with [[spoiler: Ted's mental health deteriorating, Nate's slow FaceHeelTurn, Jamie dealing with his abusive father, Beard's relationship with Jane becoming clearly toxic, and Roy and Keeley's relationship growing strained,]] making for an overall darker tone than promotional materials would let on.

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The show has a reputation among the general public for being a very upbeat and positive show. The truth is that, while it does contain a lot of warmth and positivity, it also features a lot of darker issues and tragedy. In just the first season we have: [[spoiler:Ted's marriage falling apart, Rebecca's bullying from her ex-husband, Roy suffering a CareerEndingInjury, and Richmond getting relegated and that relegation being part of Rebecca trying to destroy the club from the inside.]] The second adds to this with [[spoiler: Ted's mental health deteriorating, Nate's slow FaceHeelTurn, Jamie dealing with his abusive father, Beard's relationship with Jane becoming clearly toxic, and Roy and Keeley's relationship growing strained,]] making for an overall darker tone than promotional materials would let on.on.
** According to unsubstantiated reports, season 3 went through a lot of rewrites and reshoots, which spread throughout the fandom. In reality, according to Brendan Hunt, they only reshot two scenes in the entire season - one of the locker room scenes (apparently because of a continuity issue) and Zava's bicycle kick - and there were no more "rewrites" than there had previously been in the last two seasons. The only noticeable incidents were two pauses in shooting; Jason Sudekis, Brendan Hunt, and Brett Goldstein were spending so much time in front of the camera that they had less time to check episodes as they were written, so shooting had to pause so the episodes could be finalized when they had the time.
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* SeasonalRot: While Season 3 had a mostly positive reception, most critics and many viewers agree that it was a step down compared to the near universally acclaimed previous seasons, with the the large number of meandering plots that went nowhere, underutilized characters, contrived plot developments, and instances of inconsistent characterization commonly cited as reasons.

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* SeasonalRot: While Season 3 had a mostly positive reception, most critics and many viewers agree that it was a step down compared to the near universally acclaimed previous seasons, with the the large number of meandering plots that went nowhere, underutilized characters, contrived plot developments, and instances of inconsistent characterization commonly cited as reasons. Tellingly, Season 3 is the only one of the show's seasons to fail to win any awards at the Primetime Emmy Awards.
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** Several fans guessed that Ted's father [[spoiler:committed suicide when he was younger]].
** There was also a popular theory that [[spoiler:Nate would betray Ted by revealing his panic attack at the FA Cup to the press as part of a power play.]] Those viewers turned out to be right.
** The second Rupert [[spoiler: gifted his minority shares to Rebecca, fans concluded this was solely for selfish legal purposes, as it would allow him to buy a new club.]]. In the season 2 finale, [[spoiler: he becomes the new owner of West Ham United]].
** A number of people wondered [[spoiler: if Colin was gay starting in Season 2, based on his Grindr comment in "Do the Right-est Thing" (since Grindr is geared towards gay and bisexual men). Colin's sexuality was confirmed in "4-5-1", showing he was in a committed relationship with another man but was not out to the team.]]
** More than a few fans guessed that Isaac's subdued reaction to [[spoiler: learning that Colin is gay was not out of homophobia, but because he was hurt at being kept in the dark by his closest friend. A shot in the Season 3 trailer of Sam wearing the captain's armband had fans guessing that Isaac would be red-carded in a game for some reason, which they then assumed would be for rushing into the stands to attack a spectator spewing homophobic slurs at the team. All of this comes to pass in "La Locker Room Aux Folles".]]
** Many fans speculated that the unnamed doctor who treated Sharon at the hospital in "Man City" was Roy's sister/Phoebe's mother. "International Break" confirmed that to be the case.
** Most viewers speculated that the series would end with Ted [[spoiler:deciding to leave AFC Richmond and return to Kansas so he can be closer to Henry.]] The finale ultimately proved them right.
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** For all its weirdness, "Beard After Hours" has a killer list of tunes:

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* BizarroEpisode: "Beard After Hours", the ninth episode of Season 2, is a trippy homage to ''Film/AfterHours'' in which Coach Beard suffers all sorts of misadventures on the night after the Man City match. It features a completely nonsense plot, bizarre situations and new characters, doesn't have appearances of the main cast until the very end and, besides giving major insight on the previously OutOfFocus Coach Beard's character and motivation, it adds very little to the plot of the season.

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* BizarroEpisode: "Beard "[[Recap/TedLassoS2E09BeardAfterHours Beard After Hours", Hours]]", the ninth episode of Season 2, is a trippy homage to ''Film/AfterHours'' in which Coach Beard suffers all sorts of misadventures on the night after the Man City match. It features a completely nonsense plot, bizarre situations and new characters, doesn't have appearances of the main cast until the very end and, besides giving major insight on the previously OutOfFocus Coach Beard's character and motivation, it adds very little to the plot of the season.



** "Beard After Hours" is easily the most divisive episode in the series with fans. Some dislike it for having a surreal tone, featuring none of the main cast aside from Coach Beard, and being so detached from the season's main plot. Others like it for being something different from the typical episode as well as the fact it gives major insight into Coach Beard, who had been OutOfFocus compared to the other characters.

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** "Beard "[[Recap/TedLassoS2E09BeardAfterHours Beard After Hours" Hours]]" is easily the most divisive episode in the series with fans. Some dislike it for having a surreal tone, featuring none of the main cast aside from Coach Beard, and being so detached from the season's main plot. Others like it for being something different from the typical episode as well as the fact it gives major insight into Coach Beard, who had been OutOfFocus compared to the other characters.



* {{Padding}}: Apple unexpectedly gave two extra episodes to Season 2. Rather than alter their plans for the season's pacing, the crew simply added two new stories from scratch with no effect on the rest ([[ChristmasEpisode "Carol of the Bells"]] and "Beard After Hours").

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* {{Padding}}: Apple unexpectedly gave two extra episodes to Season 2. Rather than alter their plans for the season's pacing, the crew simply added two new stories from scratch with no effect on the rest ([[ChristmasEpisode "Carol ("[[Recap/TedLassoS2E04CarolOfTheBells Carol of the Bells"]] Bells]]" and "Beard "[[Recap/TedLassoS2E09BeardAfterHours Beard After Hours").Hours]]").
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* RootingForTheEmpire: Some fans were perfectly happy for Nate to stay in his villain era at West Ham. Some because Nick Mohammed did an excellent job selling Nate as a conflicted villain, some because they felt sorry for Nate's lack of recognition in the past two seasons - and some just because they enjoyed seeing Nick Mohammed's [[EvilIsSexy black-suited silver fox look]].

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* RootingForTheEmpire: Some fans were perfectly happy for Nate to stay in his villain era at West Ham. Some because Nick Mohammed did an excellent job selling Nate as a conflicted villain, some because they felt sorry for Nate's lack of recognition in the past two seasons - and some just because they enjoyed seeing Nick Mohammed's [[EvilIsSexy black-suited silver fox look]].look.
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** Nate's arc in Season 3. Many appreciated that Nate [[spoiler:ultimately wound up in a good place mentally and back at Richmond after his previous struggles and that it kept in touch with the show's themes of forgiveness and helping people to grow as individuals and overcome their flaws]]. Others feel that the developments that led to Nate [[spoiler:coming to terms with his mental health issues, leaving West Ham, and returning to Richmond were contrived and that Ted instantly forgiving Nate without acknowledging that Nate hurt him with his previous actions, unlike the treatment Ted gave his mother in Mom City even though her actions were far less actively malicious, was a case of Ted (and by extension the show) embracing the same kind of toxic positivity that he had spent Seasons 2 and 3 trying to grow past.]]

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** Nate's arc in Season 3. Many appreciated that Nate [[spoiler:ultimately wound up in a good place mentally and back at Richmond after his previous struggles and that it kept in touch with the show's themes of forgiveness and helping people to grow as individuals and overcome their flaws]]. Others feel that the developments that led to Nate [[spoiler:coming to terms with his mental health issues, leaving West Ham, and returning to Richmond were contrived contrived, that the arc still failed to address some of his character flaws like his casual misogyny, and that Ted instantly forgiving Nate without acknowledging that Nate hurt him with his previous actions, unlike the treatment Ted gave his mother in Mom City even though her actions were far less actively malicious, was a case of Ted (and by extension the show) embracing the same kind of toxic positivity that he had spent Seasons 2 and 3 trying to grow past.]]
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* AssPull: "Mom City" has all of the Richmond players [[spoiler:suddenly deciding to forgive Nate for everything he did to them and ask Ted to bring him back to the coaching staff without any explanation for why they suddenly changed their opinions of him--aside from his apology gesture to Will and him leaving West Ham--after his previous mistreatment of them, culminating in the violent reaction they had to learning he destroyed the "Believe" sign.]]

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"Mom City" has all of the Richmond players [[spoiler:suddenly deciding to forgive Nate for everything he did to them and ask Ted to bring him back to the coaching staff without any explanation for why they suddenly changed their opinions of him--aside from his apology gesture to Will and him leaving West Ham--after his previous mistreatment of them, culminating in the violent reaction they had to learning he destroyed the "Believe" sign.]] ]]
** From the same episode, the reveal that Coach Beard [[spoiler:is an ex-convict who would have been sent back to prison for violating his parole were it not for Ted saving him. As it raises several questions about the character, such as how he was able to obtain UK work status or why his frequent drug use is tolerated despite his previous meth addiction and arrest, it comes across as the writers ignoring previously established facts in order to shoehorn in a justification as to why Nate deserves to be EasilyForgiven.]]



* BrokenBase: "Beard After Hours" is easily the most divisive episode in the series with fans. Some dislike it for having a surreal tone, featuring none of the main cast aside from Coach Beard, and being so detached from the season's main plot. Others like it for being something different from the typical episode as well as the fact it gives major insight into Coach Beard, who had been OutOfFocus compared to the other characters.
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"Beard After Hours" is easily the most divisive episode in the series with fans. Some dislike it for having a surreal tone, featuring none of the main cast aside from Coach Beard, and being so detached from the season's main plot. Others like it for being something different from the typical episode as well as the fact it gives major insight into Coach Beard, who had been OutOfFocus compared to the other characters.
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** The “penis-tying drill” in "The Strings That Bind Us" has sharply divided the fandom, with one half finding it hilarious CrossesTheLineTwice comedy and the other considering it too horrifying to be funny and a low point for Roy’s character for subjecting the players to it.
** Whether the show should continue past three seasons and without [[spoiler:Creator/JasonSudeikis as Ted]]. One camp feels that the strength of the other characters and developments in the Season 3
finale until at least six months after it's aired.provide more than enough material for the show to continue. Others feel that Season 3 was already showing signs of the show running out of steam creatively and that ending it leaves the series off on a relatively high note before the SeasonalRot possibly gets worse and tarnishes its reputation.


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* NeverLiveItDown: Nate's detractors commonly cite him calling Rebecca a “shrew” when he mistakenly believes she's fired him in “The Hope That Kills You” and the fact that he [[spoiler:leaked Ted's mental health issues to the press]] as reasons why they don’t like him. It doesn’t help that unlike his other misdeeds, the show doesn't actually address the fact that he did these things, instead fixating on his bullying of Will and the players, [[spoiler:lashing out at Ted in the locker room, and destroying the “Believe” sign.]]


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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Season 3 is the only season that didn’t have Creator/BillLawrence as a show-runner, as he left the show to work on Series/{{Shrinking}}. It’s also agreed to be the weakest of the show’s seasons, thanks to a dip in the writing quality.


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* SeasonalRot: While Season 3 had a mostly positive reception, most critics and many viewers agree that it was a step down compared to the near universally acclaimed previous seasons, with the the large number of meandering plots that went nowhere, underutilized characters, contrived plot developments, and instances of inconsistent characterization commonly cited as reasons.


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** Many viewers and critics were frustrated at the fact that, outside of the first and, to a lesser extent, the fourth episode of Season 3, very little is seen of Nate on the job as [[spoiler:manager of West Ham. Given that the previous season portrayed him as someone who was so fixated on the fact that managers get most of the credit for a team’s success and took so much pride in his strategy abilities that he failed to realize he was lacking several other key coaching skills, it would have been interesting to see him have to navigate the additional responsibilities and drawbacks of the manager role or deal with situations that weren't his job as an assistant at Richmond.]]


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** This is a major criticism of Season 3 in general, as several significant plot developments over the season such as [[spoiler:Nate quitting West Ham, the Richmond players deciding to forgive Nate and ask the coaches to bring him back, Ted telling Rebecca he plans to leave Richmond, Ted subsequently breaking the news to the team, etc.]], all occur ''offscreen'' with screen time instead being given to unrelated subplots that aren't as relevant to the main plot.


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** Nate in Season 3. The show clearly wants viewers to root for him as he [[spoiler:adapts to his new job and navigates his relationship with Jade.]] However, many point out that the fact he’s shown bullying [[spoiler:most of the players and staff at West Ham just as he did at Richmond]] makes it difficult to feel any sympathy for him. Even when Nate [[spoiler:finally decides to leave West Ham after Rupert tries to get him to cheat on Jade and begins his HeelFaceTurn, it’s not very cathartic as it was shown that Nate was aware of Rupert fooling around with Ms. Kakes despite being married. This makes it comes across as Nate rejecting Rupert, not for any moral reasons, but because Rupert’s actions are now affecting him personally.]]
** Keeley is another case. Viewers are supposed to sympathize with her struggles of running her own business as well as [[spoiler:the ultimate near shutdown of it after Jack breaks up with her.]] However, it's shown that a lot of Keeley's struggles are a result of her ignoring the advice of those around her such as Rebecca and Barbara. Additionally, despite witnessing firsthand the previous season why employer/employee relationships are a bad idea, she [[spoiler:jumps into a relationship with Jack without hesitation, which bites her in the ass when they breakup and Jack retaliates by pulling KJPR’s funding.]] While [[spoiler:the business is saved at the end thanks to Rebecca, it feels unearned since it was a result of Keeley's rich friend bailing her out rather than anything she did herself as CEO.]]
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* {{Narm}}: Rupert's SignificantWardrobeShift in Season 3 sees him wearing black suits and a flowing, cloak-like black coat, not to mention his all-black office. While he's always been villainous, he starts resembling a ''Franchise/StarWars'' villain more than the owner of a football club, making it hard to take him seriously.

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* {{Narm}}: Rupert's SignificantWardrobeShift in Season 3 sees him wearing black suits and a flowing, cloak-like black coat, not to mention his all-black office. While he's always been villainous, a bad guy, he starts resembling a ''Franchise/StarWars'' villain more than the owner of a football club, making it hard to take him seriously.
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** The sheer SoundtrackDissonance of singing Rick Astley's memetic hit "Never Gonna Give You Up" a capella during a ''funeral'' makes it even more memorable. Somehow doubles as a TearJerker.


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** The street performance of The Beatles' "Hey Jude" is made even better by Beard explaining the songs' message to Henry and later joining in.
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* {{Narm}}: Rupert's SignificantWardrobeShift in Season 3 sees him wearing black suits and a flowing, cloak-like black coat, not to mention his all-black office. While he's always been villainous, he starts resembling a Franchise/''StarWars'' villain more than the owner of a football club, making it hard to take him seriously.

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* {{Narm}}: Rupert's SignificantWardrobeShift in Season 3 sees him wearing black suits and a flowing, cloak-like black coat, not to mention his all-black office. While he's always been villainous, he starts resembling a Franchise/''StarWars'' ''Franchise/StarWars'' villain more than the owner of a football club, making it hard to take him seriously.

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