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** Obviously they don't have to be dicks about it, but being a dick about a statistically imminent threat to your actual life is at least somewhat understandable and isn't really on the same order of unjustified aversion as actual racism.
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** Amaranth's imminent desire to see the good in everyone, combined with her extremely superficial layer of intelligence, makes her extra susceptible to this trope. She's used to thinking she's the smart one and takes it for granted she's right about everything, never quite realizing what a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter she is. This means she pulls off some really boneheaded stunts and gives Mack a lot of ''really bad'' advice, all the while thinking that she's doing what's best for her.
** Mack herself has some ''huge'' moments of cluelessness, mostly derived from a total lack of social experience.
** Amaranth's imminent desire to see the good in everyone, combined with her extremely superficial layer of intelligence, makes her extra susceptible to this trope. She's used to thinking she's the smart one and takes it for granted she's right about everything, never quite realizing what a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter she is. This means she pulls off some really boneheaded stunts and gives Mack a lot of ''really bad'' advice, all the while thinking that she's doing what's best for her.
** Mack herself has some ''huge'' moments of cluelessness, mostly derived from a total lack of social experience.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: ''Tales of MU'' encourages this, including having a SpinOff that gives a [[SympatheticPOV completely different view]] of some characters and events. Every major character and most minor ones seems to spark competing theories. Is Mackenzie Blaise an unrepentant sociopath, or just a normal girl who happens to be CursedWithAwesome? Was her grandmother's treatment of her horrible child abuse or going above and beyond the call of duty to raise a dangerous child? Is everything Amaranth's fault after all?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: ''Tales of MU'' encourages this, including having a SpinOff that gives a [[SympatheticPOV completely different view]] of some characters and events. Every major character and most minor ones seems to spark competing theories. Is Mackenzie Blaise an unrepentant sociopath, or just a normal girl who happens to be CursedWithAwesome? Was her grandmother's treatment of her horrible child abuse or going above and beyond the call of duty to raise a dangerous child? Is everything Amaranth's fault after all?all? Yes.
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* MartyStu: Dan Harris, (AKA [[spoiler:Aidan]]), for no apparent reason other than to provide a way for the author to [[{{Anvilicious}} heavy-handedly discredit Martha Blaise's half-demon-child-rearing skills]].
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: ''Tales of MU'' encourages this, including having a SpinOff that gives a [[SympatheticPOV completely different view]] of some characters and events. Every major character and most minor ones seems to spark competing theories. Is Mackenzie Blaise a MarySue, an unrepentant sociopath, or just a normal girl who happens to be CursedWithAwesome? Was her grandmother's treatment of her horrible child abuse or going above and beyond the call of duty to raise a dangerous child? Is everything Amaranth's fault after all?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: ''Tales of MU'' encourages this, including having a SpinOff that gives a [[SympatheticPOV completely different view]] of some characters and events. Every major character and most minor ones seems to spark competing theories. Is Mackenzie Blaise a MarySue, an unrepentant sociopath, or just a normal girl who happens to be CursedWithAwesome? Was her grandmother's treatment of her horrible child abuse or going above and beyond the call of duty to raise a dangerous child? Is everything Amaranth's fault after all.all?
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Amaranth. She still has plenty of fans that tend to see her as an oblivious but kindhearted nymph that has good intentions and a positive support that encourages Mac to express her sexuality. Others have grown to dislike the character for taking the limits of what could be considered a healthy dominant relationship to an extreme. There's a decent argument to be made that she enjoys the role too much to see it as a problem, coupled with Mac's addictive masochism, making the dynamic come off as abusive.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Amaranth. She still has plenty of fans that tend to see her as an oblivious but kindhearted nymph that has good intentions and a positive support that encourages Mac Mack to express her sexuality. Others have grown to dislike the character her for taking the limits of what could be considered a healthy dominant relationship to an extreme. There's a decent argument to be made that she enjoys the role too much to see it as a problem, coupled with Mac's Mack's addictive masochism, making the dynamic come off as abusive.
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* MartyStu: Dan Harris, (AKA [[spoiler:Aidan]]), for no apparent reason other than to provide a way for the author to [[{{Anvilicious}} heavy-handedly discredit Martha Blaise's half-demon-child-rearing skills.]]skills]].
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** Amaranth's imminent desire to see the good in everyone, combined (ironically enough) with her high intelligence makes her extra susceptible to this trope. She's used to being the smart one and takes it for granted she's right about everything, never quite realizing what a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter she is. This means she pulls off some really boneheaded stunts and gives Mack a lot of ''really bad'' advice, all the while thinking that she's doing what's best for her.
*** What high intelligence? Her big "I'm an intellectual" scene only really tells us that she can read, which admittedly puts her one up on Barley but isn't exactly a high bar to jump, and that she did reasonably well on the equivalent of a high-school placement test, essentially a GED. Most of her attempts at insight involve psychology (which she's hilariously bad at), and even her attempts to express her own morality often fall apart logically to the point that even the normally oblivious, love-blind Mack can pick it apart in moments (though she usually surrenders anyway). She believes in 'science', but never evidences any understanding of the scientific method, just blindly asserts things that science discovered in our world as articles of faith (things that, in the setting, are blatantly untrue, making her basically a flat-earther). It's something of an InformedQuality that she has any intellect at all, which makes the fact that she's hyper-defensive about her low IQ, and the fact that that defensiveness prevents her from fixing the situation, kind of tragic.
*** What high intelligence? Her big "I'm an intellectual" scene only really tells us that she can read, which admittedly puts her one up on Barley but isn't exactly a high bar to jump, and that she did reasonably well on the equivalent of a high-school placement test, essentially a GED. Most of her attempts at insight involve psychology (which she's hilariously bad at), and even her attempts to express her own morality often fall apart logically to the point that even the normally oblivious, love-blind Mack can pick it apart in moments (though she usually surrenders anyway). She believes in 'science', but never evidences any understanding of the scientific method, just blindly asserts things that science discovered in our world as articles of faith (things that, in the setting, are blatantly untrue, making her basically a flat-earther). It's something of an InformedQuality that she has any intellect at all, which makes the fact that she's hyper-defensive about her low IQ, and the fact that that defensiveness prevents her from fixing the situation, kind of tragic.
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** Amaranth's imminent desire to see the good in everyone, combined (ironically enough) with her high intelligence extremely superficial layer of intelligence, makes her extra susceptible to this trope. She's used to being thinking she's the smart one and takes it for granted she's right about everything, never quite realizing what a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter she is. This means she pulls off some really boneheaded stunts and gives Mack a lot of ''really bad'' advice, all the while thinking that she's doing what's best for her.
*** What high intelligence? Her big "I'm an intellectual" scene only really tells us that she can read, which admittedly puts her one up on Barley but isn't exactly a high bar to jump, and that she did reasonably well on the equivalent of a high-school placement test, essentially a GED. Most of her attempts at insight involve psychology (which she's hilariously bad at), and even her attempts to express her own morality often fall apart logically to the point that even the normally oblivious, love-blind Mack can pick it apart in moments (though she usually surrenders anyway). She believes in 'science', but never evidences any understanding of the scientific method, just blindly asserts things that science discovered in our world as articles of faith (things that, in the setting, are blatantly untrue, making her basically a flat-earther). It's something of an InformedQuality that she has any intellect at all, which makes the fact that she's hyper-defensive about her low IQ, and the fact that that defensiveness prevents her from fixing the situation, kind of tragic.her.
*** What high intelligence? Her big "I'm an intellectual" scene only really tells us that she can read, which admittedly puts her one up on Barley but isn't exactly a high bar to jump, and that she did reasonably well on the equivalent of a high-school placement test, essentially a GED. Most of her attempts at insight involve psychology (which she's hilariously bad at), and even her attempts to express her own morality often fall apart logically to the point that even the normally oblivious, love-blind Mack can pick it apart in moments (though she usually surrenders anyway). She believes in 'science', but never evidences any understanding of the scientific method, just blindly asserts things that science discovered in our world as articles of faith (things that, in the setting, are blatantly untrue, making her basically a flat-earther). It's something of an InformedQuality that she has any intellect at all, which makes the fact that she's hyper-defensive about her low IQ, and the fact that that defensiveness prevents her from fixing the situation, kind of tragic.
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* ArchivePanic: Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 322. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).
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* ArchivePanic: Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 322.338. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).
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* BaseBreaker: Amaranth. She still has plenty of fans that tend to see her as an oblivious but kindhearted nymph that has good intentions and a positive support that encourages Mac to express her sexuality. Others have grown to dislike the character for taking the limits of what could be considered a healthy dominant relationship to an extreme. There's a decent argument to be made that she enjoys the role too much to see it as a problem, coupled with Mac's addictive masochism, making the dynamic come off as abusive.
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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Amaranth. She still has plenty of fans that tend to see her as an oblivious but kindhearted nymph that has good intentions and a positive support that encourages Mac to express her sexuality. Others have grown to dislike the character for taking the limits of what could be considered a healthy dominant relationship to an extreme. There's a decent argument to be made that she enjoys the role too much to see it as a problem, coupled with Mac's addictive masochism, making the dynamic come off as abusive.
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* ArchivePanic: Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 315.322. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).
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* ArchivePanic: Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 287.315. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).
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* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic: Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 287. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: ''Tales of MU'' encourages this, including having a SpinOff that gives a [[SympatheticPOV completely different view]] of some characters and events. Every major character and most minor ones seems to spark competing theories. Is Mackenzie Blaise a MarySue, an unrepentant sociopath, or just a normal girl who happens to be CursedWithAwesome? Was her grandmother's treatment of her horrible child abuse or going above and beyond the call of duty to raise a dangerous child? Is everything Amaranth's fault after allt.
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* BaseBreaker: Amaranth. She still has plenty of fans that tend to see her as an oblivious but kindhearted nymph that has good intentions and a positive support that encourages Mac to express her sexuality. Others have grown to dislike the character for taking the limits of what could be considered a healthy dominant relationship to an extreme. There's a decent argument to be made that she enjoys the role too much to see it as a problem, coupled with Mac's addictive masochism, making the dynamic come off as abusive.
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* BaseBreaker: Amaranth. She still has plenty of fans that tend to see her as an oblivious but kindhearted nymph that has good intentions and a positive support that encourages Mac to express her sexuality. Others have grown to dislike the character for taking the limits of what could be considered a healthy dominant relationship to an extreme. There's a decent argument to be made that she enjoys the role too much to see it as a problem, coupled with Mac's addictive masochism, making the dynamic come off as abusive.
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*** What high intelligence? Her big "I'm an intellectual" scene only really tells us that she can read, which admittedly puts her one up on Barley but isn't exactly a high bar to jump, and that she did reasonably well on the equivalent of a high-school placement test, essentially a GED. Most of her attempts at insight involve psychology (which she's hilariously bad at), and even her attempts to express her own morality often fall apart logically to the point that even the normally oblivious, love-blind Mack can pick it apart in moments (though she usually surrenders anyway). She believes in 'science', but never evidences any understanding of the scientific method, just blindly asserts things that science discovered in our world as articles of faith (things that, in the setting, are blatantly untrue, making her basically a flat-earther). It's something of an InformedQuality that she has any intellect at all, which makes the fact that she's hyper-defensive about her low IQ, and the fact that that defensiveness prevents her from fixing the situation, kind of tragic.
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*** What high intelligence? Her big "I'm an intellectual" scene only really tells us that she can read, which admittedly puts her one up on Barley but isn't exactly a high bar to jump, and that she did reasonably well on the equivalent of a high-school placement test, essentially a GED. Most of her attempts at insight involve psychology (which she's hilariously bad at), and even her attempts to express her own morality often fall apart logically to the point that even the normally oblivious, love-blind Mack can pick it apart in moments (though she usually surrenders anyway). She believes in 'science', but never evidences any understanding of the scientific method, just blindly asserts things that science discovered in our world as articles of faith (things that, in the setting, are blatantly untrue, making her basically a flat-earther). It's something of an InformedQuality that she has any intellect at all, which makes the fact that she's hyper-defensive about her low IQ, and the fact that that defensiveness prevents her from fixing the situation, kind of tragic.
