History YMMV / TalesOfMU

9th Nov '15 3:46:42 AM darkabomination
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: ''Tales of MU'' encourages this, including having a SpinOff that gives a [[SympatheticPOV completely different view]] of some characters and events. Every major character and most minor ones seems to spark competing theories. Is Mackenzie Blaise a MarySue, an unrepentant sociopath, or just a normal girl who happens to be CursedWithAwesome? Was her grandmother's treatment of her horrible child abuse or going above and beyond the call of duty to raise a dangerous child? Is everything Amaranth's fault after allt.
* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic: Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 287. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: ''Tales of MU'' encourages this, including having a SpinOff that gives a [[SympatheticPOV completely different view]] of some characters and events. Every major character and most minor ones seems to spark competing theories. Is Mackenzie Blaise a MarySue, an unrepentant sociopath, or just a normal girl who happens to be CursedWithAwesome? Was her grandmother's treatment of her horrible child abuse or going above and beyond the call of duty to raise a dangerous child? Is everything Amaranth's fault after allt.
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* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic: ArchivePanic: Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 287. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).stories).
* BaseBreaker: Amaranth. She still has plenty of fans that tend to see her as an oblivious but kindhearted nymph that has good intentions and a positive support that encourages Mac to express her sexuality. Others have grown to dislike the character for taking the limits of what could be considered a healthy dominant relationship to an extreme. There's a decent argument to be made that she enjoys the role too much to see it as a problem, coupled with Mac's addictive masochism, making the dynamic come off as abusive.
19th Oct '15 6:48:42 AM Deblin
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*** What high intelligence? Her big "I'm an intellectual" scene only really tells us that she can read, which admittedly puts her one up on Barley but isn't exactly a high bar to jump, and that she did reasonably well on the equivalent of a high-school placement test, essentially a GED. Most of her attempts at insight involve psychology (which she's hilariously bad at), and even her attempts to express her own morality often fall apart logically to the point that even the normally oblivious, love-blind Mack can pick it apart in moments (though she usually surrenders anyway). She believes in 'science', but never evidences any understanding of the scientific method, just blindly asserts things that science discovered in our world as articles of faith (things that, in the setting, are blatantly untrue, making her basically a flat-earther). It's something of an InformedQuality that she has any intellect at all, which makes the fact that she's hyper-defensive about her low IQ, and the fact that that defensiveness prevents her from fixing the situation, kind of tragic.
19th Oct '15 6:48:42 AM Deblin
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*** What high intelligence? Her big "I'm an intellectual" scene only really tells us that she can read, which admittedly puts her one up on Barley but isn't exactly a high bar to jump, and that she did reasonably well on the equivalent of a high-school placement test, essentially a GED. Most of her attempts at insight involve psychology (which she's hilariously bad at), and even her attempts to express her own morality often fall apart logically to the point that even the normally oblivious, love-blind Mack can pick it apart in moments (though she usually surrenders anyway). She believes in 'science', but never evidences any understanding of the scientific method, just blindly asserts things that science discovered in our world as articles of faith (things that, in the setting, are blatantly untrue, making her basically a flat-earther). It's something of an InformedQuality that she has any intellect at all, which makes the fact that she's hyper-defensive about her low IQ, and the fact that that defensiveness prevents her from fixing the situation, kind of tragic.
26th Sep '15 7:18:01 AM darkabomination
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: ''Tales of MU'' encourages this, including having a SpinOff that gives a [[SympatheticPOV completely different view]] of some characters and events. Every major character and most minor ones seems to spark competing theories. Is Mackenzie Blaise a MarySue, an unrepentant sociopath, or just a normal girl who happens to be CursedWithAwesome? Was her grandmother's treatment of her horrible child abuse or going above and beyond the call of duty to raise a dangerous child? Is everything Amaranth's fault after all?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: ''Tales of MU'' encourages this, including having a SpinOff that gives a [[SympatheticPOV completely different view]] of some characters and events. Every major character and most minor ones seems to spark competing theories. Is Mackenzie Blaise a MarySue, an unrepentant sociopath, or just a normal girl who happens to be CursedWithAwesome? Was her grandmother's treatment of her horrible child abuse or going above and beyond the call of duty to raise a dangerous child? Is everything Amaranth's fault after all?
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Some are really just reading because of Two's extremely likable character. Others are just in it for the admittedly interesting WorldBuilding, and regret so much time is put on college sex antics rather than the tons of interesting stuff in the world at large.
4th Sep '15 4:48:29 AM Deblin
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Various bit characters are generally portrayed as bigots for treating Mack as inherently dangerous or unstable due to her demon blood. However, even within the first month of her time at school, it's easier to count the number of cast members that she hasn't come close to killing than those she has, and in most cases she was set off by happenstance or her own mild negligence in feeding herself. In practical terms it's very legitimate to worry about someone who can't make it four days in a row without a potentially-lethal accident or outright attempted murder, and Mack is also presented as one of the most stable and emotionally balanced of her subspecies.
** Obviously they don't have to be dicks about it, but being a dick about a statistically imminent threat to your actual life is at least somewhat understandable and isn't really on the same order of unjustified aversion as actual racism.
4th Mar '15 12:29:59 PM Willbyr
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** Amaranth's imminent desire to see the good in everyone, combined (ironically enough) with her high intelligence makes her extra susceptible to this trope. She's used to be the smart one and takes it for granted she's right about everything, never quite realizing what a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter she is. This means she pulls off some really boneheaded stunts and gives Mack a lot of ''really bad'' advice, all the while thinking that she's doing what's best for her.

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** Amaranth's imminent desire to see the good in everyone, combined (ironically enough) with her high intelligence makes her extra susceptible to this trope. She's used to be being the smart one and takes it for granted she's right about everything, never quite realizing what a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter she is. This means she pulls off some really boneheaded stunts and gives Mack a lot of ''really bad'' advice, all the while thinking that she's doing what's best for her.



* TheWoobie: Two. Because of her "programming" (namely, to want to do what she's told), the early parts of the story imply, and [[http://www.talesofmu.com/story/other/bonus-story-diary-of-a-golem-girl show in only a small part]], that she has suffered a a horrifying array of abuses. She very quickly gained the sympathy of both the rest of the core cast and the audience.

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* TheWoobie: Two. Because of her "programming" (namely, to want to do what she's told), the early parts of the story imply, and [[http://www.talesofmu.com/story/other/bonus-story-diary-of-a-golem-girl show in only a small part]], that she has suffered a a horrifying array of abuses. She very quickly gained the sympathy of both the rest of the core cast and the audience.
4th Mar '15 12:28:41 PM Willbyr
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* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic -- Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 287. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).

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* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic -- ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic: Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 287. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).



* EthnicScrappy -- Shiel the kobold started out this way, with frequent race-baiting and StrawFeminist arguments that bordered on InsaneTrollLogic. She seems to be [[CharacterDevelopment growing out of it lately]], though, which is making her into a [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap more interesting and likable character]].
* FanNickname -- "Mack Daddy", for Mack's absent demon father.
* JerkassWoobie -- Mack in the early chapters, especially with regards to the prejudice and bigotry of which she is routinely the victim, but which she also routinely exhibits to others. To be fair, much of this was [[FreudianExcuse taught to her]] as she grew up by her KnightTemplar grandmother. But between the Mechans, the Arkhanites, Winnie, and just about anyone who disagrees with her, she gives as good as she gets on the {{Jerkass}} front.

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* EthnicScrappy -- EthnicScrappy: Shiel the kobold started out this way, with frequent race-baiting and StrawFeminist arguments that bordered on InsaneTrollLogic. She seems to be [[CharacterDevelopment growing out of it lately]], though, which is making her into a [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap more interesting and likable character]].
* FanNickname -- FanNickname: "Mack Daddy", for Mack's absent demon father.
* JerkassWoobie -- JerkassWoobie: Mack in the early chapters, especially with regards to the prejudice and bigotry of which she is routinely the victim, but which she also routinely exhibits to others. To be fair, much of this was [[FreudianExcuse taught to her]] as she grew up by her KnightTemplar grandmother. But between the Mechans, the Arkhanites, Winnie, and just about anyone who disagrees with her, she gives as good as she gets on the {{Jerkass}} front.



* MoralEventHorizon -- Mercy waves to everyone else from deep inside it.
* StrangledByTheRedString -- A very odd version of it, in that Mack is not going to be allowed to be straight, or celibate, or monogamous by turns. Not only does the story conspire to get her into sexual situations, Amaranth even ordered her to perform a specific sex act with Ian ''on demand'', at any time he wanted, after Mack admitted wanting to do so. Ian balked. [[spoiler:He got over it.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon -- MoralEventHorizon: Mercy waves to everyone else from deep inside it.
* StrangledByTheRedString -- StrangledByTheRedString: A very odd version of it, in that Mack is not going to be allowed to be straight, or celibate, or monogamous by turns. Not only does the story conspire to get her into sexual situations, Amaranth even ordered her to perform a specific sex act with Ian ''on demand'', at any time he wanted, after Mack admitted wanting to do so. Ian balked. [[spoiler:He got over it.]]



* TheWoobie -- Two. Because of her "programming" (namely, to want to do what she's told), the early parts of the story imply, and [[http://www.talesofmu.com/story/other/bonus-story-diary-of-a-golem-girl show in only a small part]], that she has suffered a a horrifying array of abuses. She very quickly gained the sympathy of both the rest of the core cast and the audience.

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* TheWoobie -- TheWoobie: Two. Because of her "programming" (namely, to want to do what she's told), the early parts of the story imply, and [[http://www.talesofmu.com/story/other/bonus-story-diary-of-a-golem-girl show in only a small part]], that she has suffered a a horrifying array of abuses. She very quickly gained the sympathy of both the rest of the core cast and the audience.
4th Mar '15 12:27:39 PM Willbyr
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* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic -- Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 265. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).

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* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic -- Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 265.287. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).
20th Nov '14 4:02:48 PM Willbyr
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* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic -- Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 243. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).

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* ArchiveBinge[=/=]ArchivePanic -- Mack's first year at MU ends with ch. 496; the second year is up to ch. 243.265. Also: 117 chapters in ''Jamie's Tale'', 12 chapters of ''As The Underworld Turns'', and 77 chapters of ''Other Tales'' (assorted side stories).
23rd Oct '14 1:04:08 PM MagBas
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* CharacterAlignment: One of the few D&D tropes not directly spoken about or [[ShoutOut alluded to in some obvious way,]] but being essentially a D&D world, most of the characters have a clearly recognizable alignment:
** LawfulGood: Mackenzie, Amaranth, Dee, Two. All of whom are very different from each other, personality-wise, making them good {{foil}}s for each other.
** NeutralGood: Ian, which makes sense. As a bard, he can't be Lawful.
** LawfulNeutral:
*** Embries. He's there for a very specific reason: ''to keep order.'' This does not make him a particularly nice or good person, [[IAmAMonster and he recognizes that.]]
*** Dell [=McAvoy=] from Law comes across this way too, for basically the same reasons.
** TrueNeutral: '''Callahan.''' She shows some Lawful tendencies at times, particularly in her official capacity as a professor, but that's balanced out by... well... ''everything else she does.''
** ChaoticNeutral: Puddy. She's probably the character who comes closest to explicitly stating that they have a specific alignment. All she wants to do is whatever she wants to do, and she will twist any rule and [[LoopholeAbuse abuse any loophole]] in order to get her way. She also has a disturbing amount of practical knowledge about blackmail, picking locks, hiding or disposing of evidence, etc...
** LawfulEvil: '''Mercy.''' A truly chilling villain, especially since she is ''meticulously'' careful to do all of her horrible deeds completely within the boundaries of the law.
** NeutralEvil:
*** "The Man" is solely interested in his own schemes and will manipulate, deceive, and/or destroy anyone it takes to get what he wants.
*** Mackenzie when her demon side takes over; it makes her viciously psychopathic.
** ChaoticEvil:
*** [[spoiler:Barley]] comes across this way after she goes off the deep end.
*** Iona. [[spoiler:Her inability to restrain herself ends up getting her killed.]]
** ChaoticStupid: Steff.



* UnfortunateImplications -- '''Whooo Boy.'''
** Apparently, the proper reaction to being horribly abused and turned into an unstable, emotionally extremely fragile and insanely self-loathing wreck is to fetishize the abuse - throwing about every single element of SafeSaneAndConsensual to the wind along the way.
** Mack's aversion to ever having children seems to imply that if you have "bad" genes, it's a moral imperative not to have children and pass them on.
** Use of the FantasyCounterpartCulture trope often invokes quite a few [at best] uncomfortable stereotypes, and this series is no exception.
** Mack thinks that ''she'' has bad blood. She thinks she's evil, remember? Were she to have kids, they would inherit her evil blood. Ergo, her aversion to kids is merely an extension of her own self-loathing, which has in-universe UnfortunateImplications.
** One chapter discusses one of the responsible methods of dom/sub relationships, a "blacklist"... a list of things the sub does not want to do under any circumstances. Mack makes such a list for Amaranth... and not too long after, Amaranth uses the threat of doing something from the list to make Mack behave. The unfortunate implication is that making a blacklist is just a way to give the dominant a method of emotional blackmail over the submissive, and that if you don't want your dominant to ''bully'' you, you'd better not make one. This is overall related to the unfortunate implications of discarding the elements of SafeSaneAndConsensual mentioned above.
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