History YMMV / TNA

24th May '16 10:02:35 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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** Here, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-8BEqC_EPs Dutch defends himself]]. After Dutch Mantell left whatever blame he would get went at Savio Vega, but according to Awesome Kong Vega was hardly able to do anything in the first place, not having close to the amount of Mantell did.

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** Here, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-8BEqC_EPs Dutch defends himself]]. After Dutch Mantell left whatever blame he would get went at Savio Vega, but according to Awesome Kong Vega was hardly able to do anything in the first place, not having close to the amount of influence Mantell did.



** The January 30th 2015 edition of "Impact" where Madison Rayne dumps Taryn Terrell and Gail Kim from the top rope to floor and then attempts to smash their heads with with the steel steps. It'd be frightening stuff if the fans weren't {{c|rowdchant}}hanting "We want puppies!"

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** The January 30th 2015 edition of "Impact" where Madison Rayne dumps Taryn Terrell and Gail Kim from the top rope to floor and then attempts to smash their heads with with the steel steps. It'd be frightening stuff if the fans weren't {{c|rowdchant}}hanting "We want puppies!"
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** Homicide just beat Suicide. Expect Genocide to attack Homicide backstage.
15th May '16 12:36:24 AM Icarael
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** Impact became far easier on the eyes and ears when they traded in the dead audiences and small confines of the Impact Zone at Universal Studios to the vibrant, hot crowds and (somewhat) larger arenas on the road.
*** Proof that the best tropes are not always good? Unfortunately, that plan was rushed into without regard for finances and became so expensive it caused a year-and-a-half-long talent hemorrhage which sabotaged the Wrestling/AcesAndEights storyline ''and cost them Wrestling/AJStyles''.

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** Impact became far easier on the eyes and ears when they traded in the dead audiences and small confines of the Impact Zone at Universal Studios to the vibrant, hot crowds and (somewhat) larger arenas on the road.
*** Proof that the best tropes are not always good?
road. Unfortunately, that plan was rushed into without regard for finances and became so expensive it caused a year-and-a-half-long talent hemorrhage which sabotaged the Wrestling/AcesAndEights storyline ''and cost them Wrestling/AJStyles''.



** 12/17/12: Tommy Dreamer got his ass kicked by Wrestling/TheShield in Wrestling/{{WWE}}. Exactly a month later on 1/17/13…everybody fears the Wrestling/AcesAndEights...

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** 12/17/12: Tommy Dreamer got his ass kicked by Wrestling/TheShield in Wrestling/{{WWE}}. Exactly a month later on 1/17/13…everybody 1/17/13, everybody fears the Wrestling/AcesAndEights...Wrestling/AcesAndEights.



* HoYay: The relationship between Wrestling/AJStyles and Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels was chock full of HoYay, even when they were enemies. When they were arguing over the possibility that Daniels could beat Styles, it seemed like a lover's spat that lasted for weeks. Samoa Joe acting like a jealous third party didn't help any. Keep in mind that Christopher Daniels and AJ Styles have named their kids after each other, so this is hardly a relationship that ends when the match does.

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* HoYay: HoYay:
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The relationship between Wrestling/AJStyles and Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels was chock full of HoYay, even when they were enemies. When they were arguing over the possibility that Daniels could beat Styles, it seemed like a lover's spat that lasted for weeks. Samoa Joe acting like a jealous third party didn't help any. Keep in mind that Christopher Daniels and AJ Styles have named their kids after each other, so this is hardly a relationship that ends when the match does.



* LoveItOrHateIt: TNA is incredibly polarizing. One side says that the storylines and writing are so bad that it makes the show unwatchable. The other side says that their young talent is so incredible and the matches are so good that it makes up for the bad storytelling. They're kinda both right.
** Most people consider the breaking point the amount of time spent on storylines (i.e. talking) versus the amount of time spent on wrestling. YMMV all around.
*** One thing about TNA that must aggravate some WWE fans is that they apparently have to assign all of their talent to some ridiculously large faction (Main Event Mafia, Fortune, etc.) in a failed attempt to recreate the magic of 1990s WWE with Wrestling/TheCorporation, Wrestling/TheNationOfDomination, etc. Rather than make the storylines more interesting, this tactic only cheapens them because it locks the characters into stereotyped roles to the point where their only motivation for attacking each other is "one's in Fortune and the other's not," etc.

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* LoveItOrHateIt: TNA is incredibly polarizing. LoveItOrHateIt:
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One side says that the storylines and writing are so bad that it makes the show unwatchable. The other side says that their young talent is so incredible and the matches are so good that it makes up for the bad storytelling. They're kinda both right.
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right. Most people consider the breaking point the amount of time spent on storylines (i.e. talking) versus the amount of time spent on wrestling. YMMV all around.
*** One thing ** Something about TNA that must aggravate some WWE fans is that they apparently have to assign all of their talent to some ridiculously large faction (Main Event Mafia, Fortune, etc.) in a failed attempt to recreate the magic of 1990s WWE with Wrestling/TheCorporation, Wrestling/TheNationOfDomination, etc. Rather than make the storylines more interesting, this tactic only cheapens them because it locks the characters into stereotyped roles to the point where their only motivation for attacking each other is "one's in Fortune and the other's not," etc.



** [[Wrestling/JeffHardy Showing up on drugs to a Pay-Per-View? Which you happened to MAIN-EVENTING?]]

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** [[Wrestling/JeffHardy Showing up on drugs to a Pay-Per-View? Which you happened to MAIN-EVENTING?]]MAIN-EVENTING.]]



* OlderThanTheyThink: Many of the complaints people make about the "changes" TNA made around 2010 had deeper roots. Women stripping? Treating the X-division like glorified cruiser weights? Huge stables? Takeover angels? Celebrity guest spots? That had all happened before, but when TNA finally decided to go head to head against Raw critics all around the internet acted as if it was all new and proof WWE was going to kill TNA, when that all failed to kill TNA before. Apparently Hulk Hogan's presence was going to be the deciding factor this time for those who did have an idea but he had been used to build TNA angles before (if not showing up in person). As long as they have Panda they will be fine.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: Many of the complaints people make about the "changes" TNA made around 2010 had deeper roots. Women stripping? Treating the X-division like glorified cruiser weights? Huge stables? Takeover angels? Celebrity guest spots? That had all happened before, but when TNA finally decided to go head to head against Raw ''Raw'', critics all around the internet acted as if it was all new and proof WWE was going to kill TNA, when that all failed to kill TNA before. Apparently Hulk Hogan's presence was going to be the deciding factor this time for those who did have an idea but he had been used to build TNA angles before (if not showing up in person). As long as they have Panda they will be fine.



* PoisonOakEpilepticTrees: Many fans now believe that [[TheMole Hulk Hogan was secretly sent by Vince [=McMahon=] in a plot to kill TNA]].

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* PoisonOakEpilepticTrees: PoisonOakEpilepticTrees:
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Many fans now believe that [[TheMole Hulk Hogan was secretly sent by Vince [=McMahon=] in a plot to kill TNA]].



** This company also takes part in polishing the so called ''[[FanNickname 'E-Jects]]'' who are considered useless at first (except Jeff Hardy, Mickie James, Mr. Anderson, Lashley and MVP. Believe it or not, Mickie James and MVP were TNA Originals in the past as Alexis Laree and Antonio Banks respectively, while Jeff Hardy is one of the inaugural superstars in the roster) and making them as decent superstars in comparison to their previous iterations in WWE.

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** This company also takes part in polishing the so called ''[[FanNickname 'E-Jects]]'' who are were considered useless at first (except Jeff Hardy, Mickie James, Mr. Anderson, Lashley and MVP. Believe it or not, Mickie James and MVP were TNA Originals in the past as Alexis Laree and Antonio Banks respectively, while Jeff Hardy is one of the inaugural superstars in the roster) and making them as decent superstars in comparison to their previous iterations in WWE.



* SmallReferencePools: Fan sites like to call TNA the second largest wrestling company in the world even though they are regularly outdrawn by NJPW, CMLL, AAA and sometimes by WWC. Not that TNA has never drawn similar numbers as them but it's hardly a clear cut case.

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* SmallReferencePools: Fan sites like to call TNA the second largest wrestling company in the world world, even though they are regularly outdrawn by NJPW, CMLL, AAA and sometimes by WWC. Not that TNA has never drawn similar numbers as them them, but it's hardly a clear cut case.



* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: [[Administrivia/RenamedTropes This trope used to be called]] "The Jimmy Hart Version". It could just as easily have been called "The Dale Oliver Version".
** Specifically, most WWE-to-TNA defects get variations of their WWE themes, like [[Wrestling/{{Christian}} Christian Cage]] and [[Wrestling/TheDudleyBoys Team 3D]]. Others who were popular on the independent circuit sometimes get variations of their indy themes.

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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: [[Administrivia/RenamedTropes This trope used to be called]] "The Jimmy Hart Version". It could just as easily have been called "The Dale Oliver Version".
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Version". Specifically, most WWE-to-TNA defects transfers get variations of their WWE themes, like [[Wrestling/{{Christian}} Christian Cage]] and [[Wrestling/TheDudleyBoys Team 3D]]. Others who were popular on the independent circuit sometimes get variations of their indy themes.



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** When people start calling Knockouts "divas" they're usually referring to Rhaka Khan, Velvet Sky, Lacey Von Erich, Shelly Martinez, and Brooke Tessmacher or more rarely, Cookie, [[NeverLiveItDown Jenna Morasca and Sharmell]]. Though Velvet is very popular in Orlando and Tessmacher shook it off completely.

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** When people start calling Knockouts "divas" "Divas", they're usually referring to Rhaka Khan, Velvet Sky, Lacey Von Erich, Shelly Martinez, and Brooke Tessmacher or more rarely, Cookie, [[NeverLiveItDown Jenna Morasca and Sharmell]]. Though Velvet is very popular in Orlando and Tessmacher shook it off completely.



** Referee Earl Hebner in [[MontrealScrewJob Can]][[NeverLiveItDown ada]].

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** Referee Earl Hebner in [[MontrealScrewJob [[Wrestling/MontrealScrewJob Can]][[NeverLiveItDown ada]].



** AJ "Small Fish In ''Any'' Pond!" Styles. They let this guy go?? Go on Dailymotion and check out his stuff from ''anyplace'' other than TNA in the past two years. AJ vs Okada. AJ vs Tanahashi. Watch any of his New Japan stuff. (JUST $999 YEN A MONTH, MAGGLE!) The guy doesn't know ''how'' to have a bad match..

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** AJ "Small Fish In ''Any'' Pond!" Styles. They let this guy go?? Go on Dailymotion Wrestling/AJStyles. A dedicated company man and check out one of the best modern wrestlers (see his stuff from ''anyplace'' matches with Okada or Tanahashi in [[Wrestling/NewJapanProWrestling NJPW]]), he was nonetheless badly treated by TNA management despite being TheFace of the company. His departure in 2015 started an exodus of other than big TNA in the past two years. AJ vs Okada. AJ vs Tanahashi. Watch any of his New Japan stuff. (JUST $999 YEN A MONTH, MAGGLE!) The guy doesn't know ''how'' to have a bad match..stars like Wrestling/SamoaJoe and Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels.



** So House Of Hardcore is name dropped on Impact. Does this lead to some crossover with HOH or Family Wrestling Entertainment? Eh, sort of, but it doesn't result in any stars from either promotion getting national television exposure who had not had it already. In fact, it only resulted in two wrestlers new to TNA, neither from HOH or FWE and both gone almost as soon as they arrived. In this case, the plot wasn't bad, but it could have been so much more.

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** So House Of Hardcore is name dropped on Impact. Does this lead to some a crossover with HOH or Family Wrestling Entertainment? Eh, sort of, In a way, yes, but it doesn't didn't result in any stars from either promotion getting national television exposure exposure-- at least not anyone who had not had it already. In fact, it only resulted in two wrestlers new to TNA, neither from HOH or FWE FWE, and both gone almost as soon as they arrived. In this case, the plot wasn't bad, but it could have been so much more.



** Much was made about the fact that he stole a golden cape that Hulk Hogan used to wear. Morgan wore it to the ring for several months, never actually addressed the fact that he still had it, and was let go before anything could come of it.
** ''Current'' (at the time) WWE Intercontinental Champion Christian is going to appear on one of your pay per views? Do you try to turn an angle out of it? Promote it at all? No? Well then you're TNA. (That said, it's uncertain whether they would be allowed to do so.)

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** Much was made about the fact that he Morgan stole a golden cape that Hulk Hogan used to wear. Morgan He wore it to the ring for several months, never actually addressed the fact that he still had it, and was let go before anything could come of it.
** ''Current'' (at the time) WWE Intercontinental Champion Christian is going to appear on one of your pay per views? Do you try to turn an angle out of it? Promote it at all? No? Well then you're TNA.Alright, then. (That said, it's uncertain whether they would be allowed to do so.)



** There have been attempts to turn Wrestling/AJStyles into a {{Heel}}, and they've never really worked. He's simply too much of a nice guy to be a believable villain.
*** Alternately, those heel turns ''did'' work, but rather than giving him heat, they worked in that they gave him CharacterDevelopment, which added some luster to him as a face. It also didn't hurt that TrueCompanions tended to be involved. Prime example would be Fortune, listed above.

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** There have been attempts to turn Wrestling/AJStyles into a {{Heel}}, and they've never really worked. He's simply too much of a nice guy to be a believable villain.
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villain. Alternately, those heel turns ''did'' work, but rather than giving him heat, they worked in that they gave him CharacterDevelopment, which added some luster to him as a face. It also didn't hurt that TrueCompanions tended to be involved. Prime example would be Fortune, listed above.



*** Dreamer's own heel turn about a half a year later at first saw Bully Ray gleefully forcing his hand in a way that was very much implied to be the same situation. Then he decided AJ and the fans were all {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s and worked with Bully Ray willingly before leaving weeks later.

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*** ** Dreamer's own heel turn about a half a year later at first saw Bully Ray gleefully forcing his hand in a way that was very much implied to be the same situation. Then he decided AJ and the fans were all {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s and worked with Bully Ray willingly before leaving weeks later.



** Dixie Carter won the 2013 PWI "Get Off My Screen Award", getting more votes than Wrestling/JohnCena and Wrestling/TheAuthority combined!

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** Dixie Carter won the 2013 PWI "Get Off My Screen Award", getting more votes than Wrestling/JohnCena and Wrestling/TheAuthority combined!combined.
30th Apr '16 1:52:37 PM SomeoneElse17
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** WinBackTheCrowd: Lashley's title reign has also done this for the angle surrounding MVP's return and PowerStable. When MVP turned heel on EY and declared his challenge for Young's title, then formed his faction with Lashley and Kenny King, fans immediately jumped on TNA for rehashing their HostileShowTakeover formula ''yet again'', with MVP's "Era of the Wrestler" talk as the face who drove Dixie Carter out of power being promptly declared false. Then [[RealLifeWritesThePlot MVP blew out his knee]], Slammiversary became a straightforward wrestling show, and MVP's scheme was delayed until the following Impact where Lashley got the title instead, with MVP getting stripped of his power as well and becoming largely a mouthpiece for Lashley and a guide/occasional partner to King. While Lashley inevitably turned face and MVP became the leader of what is now known as the Beat Down Clan, this iteration of the takeover plot is much better received due to the RealitySubtext of the members' friendships and the fleshed-out nature of the storyline.

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** WinBackTheCrowd: Lashley's title reign has also done this for the angle surrounding MVP's return and PowerStable. When MVP turned heel on EY and declared his challenge for Young's title, then formed his faction with Lashley and Kenny King, fans immediately jumped on TNA for rehashing their HostileShowTakeover formula ''yet again'', with MVP's "Era of the Wrestler" talk as the face who drove Dixie Carter out of power being promptly declared false. Then [[RealLifeWritesThePlot MVP blew out his knee]], Slammiversary became a straightforward wrestling show, and MVP's scheme was delayed until the following Impact where Lashley got the title instead, with MVP getting stripped of his power as well and becoming largely a mouthpiece for Lashley and a guide/occasional partner to King. While Lashley inevitably turned face and MVP became the leader of what is now became known as the Beat Down Clan, this iteration of the takeover plot is was much better received due to the RealitySubtext of the members' friendships and the fleshed-out nature of depth the storyline.storyline developed.
30th Apr '16 1:48:24 PM SomeoneElse17
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* WinTheCrowd: Wrestling/BobbyLashley's current reign as World Heavyweight Champion was initially maligned by many a TNA fan due to being a muscular former WWE guy lacking in mic skills who only recently returned to action in TNA yet being given the championship over Eric Young. Since then, he hasn't been able to completely do away with his BrokenBase, but a lot more of it's on his side now as opposed to the other way around. He has quickly progressed through his reign as a beast mode monster heel fighting champion, with stellar main event title defenses against EY, Wrestling/JeffHardy, and Wrestling/AustinAries — all ''clean victories'' at that — during his first month with the belt. As for the talking, [[Wrestling/MontelVontaviousPorter MVP]]'s been there to take care of that when necessary, putting Lashley over like a million bucks every time. Furthermore, by being a less-talk, more-action titleholder, Lashley has served as a perfect launching pad for TNA's latest attempt to return to its roots as the wrestling-based alternative (as opposed to wannabe competition) to WWE.

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* WinTheCrowd: Wrestling/BobbyLashley's current 2014 reign as World Heavyweight Champion was initially maligned by many a TNA fan due to being a muscular former WWE guy lacking in mic skills who only recently returned to action in TNA yet being given the championship over Eric Young. Since then, he hasn't been able to completely do away with his BrokenBase, but a lot more of it's on his side now as opposed to the other way around. He has quickly progressed through his reign as a beast mode monster heel fighting champion, with stellar main event title defenses against EY, Wrestling/JeffHardy, and Wrestling/AustinAries — all ''clean victories'' at that — during his first month with the belt. As for the talking, [[Wrestling/MontelVontaviousPorter MVP]]'s been MVP]] was there to take care of that when necessary, putting Lashley over like a million bucks every time. Furthermore, by being a less-talk, more-action titleholder, Lashley has served as a perfect launching pad for TNA's latest attempt to return to its roots as the wrestling-based alternative (as opposed to wannabe competition) to WWE.
29th Apr '16 1:11:49 PM thecarolinabull01
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* FoeYay: Wrestling/TaylorWilde and {Wrestling/Sar|ita|ahStock}.

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* FoeYay: Wrestling/TaylorWilde and {Wrestling/Sar|ita|ahStock}.[[Wrestling/SarahStock Sarita]].
29th Apr '16 1:10:27 PM thecarolinabull01
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* FoeYay: Taylor Wilde and Sarita.

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* FoeYay: Taylor Wilde Wrestling/TaylorWilde and Sarita.{Wrestling/Sar|ita|ahStock}.
16th Apr '16 11:34:33 AM Nyame
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* FanDumb: What's left of TNA's hardcore fanbase tends to be aggressive and fairly rabid against other wrestling fans because TNA has become an object of outright bashing over the years. That being said, those hardcore fans also tend to ignore the problems with TNA management and legitimate criticism of the company over real issues such as late pay, chocking it up to HateDumb, because they believe that the quality of the show is the only thing that matters.
15th Apr '16 3:20:44 AM DrRomoray
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* FollowTheLeader: TNA had a lot of things that WWE ''lacked'' 6-7 years ago. TNA had a solid tag division (remember the Young Bucks v MCMG matches and Beer Money v MCMG series?). They had great high-flyers in the X Division which bring fast-paced matches, very exciting. They had hardcore matches and crazy moments with barbed wire that for WWE was impossible to have with the parents groups watching.



* FollowTheLeader: TNA had a lot of things that WWE ''lacked'' 6-7 years ago. TNA had a solid tag division (remember the Young Bucks v MCMG matches and Beer Money v MCMG series?). They had great high-flyers in the X Division which bring fast-paced matches, very exciting. They had hardcore matches and crazy moments with barbed wire that for WWE was impossible to have with the parents groups watching.
13th Apr '16 2:26:05 PM DrRomoray
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** [[Wrestling/JeffHardy Showing up on drugs to a Pay-Per-View? Which you happened to be MAIN-EVENTING?]]

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** The day Dixie went through a table.
** [[Wrestling/JeffHardy Showing up on drugs to a Pay-Per-View? Which you happened to be MAIN-EVENTING?]]
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