History YMMV / TNA

14th Feb '18 12:35:43 PM SomeoneElse17
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** Wrestling/BookerT and Wrestling/ScottSteiner's first tag team experience together was far more unusual than winning the TNA tag titles while part of the [[SpotlightStealingSquad Main Event ]][[PowerStable Mafia]]. While under contract to Wrestling/{{WCW}}, where they actually often feuded, their team debut was actually [[Series/{{Charmed}} jobbing in hell to Prue and Phoebe Halliwell]].
** Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels and Kazarian at one time [[ActingForTwo shared the role]] of the {{cool mask}}ed [[RefugeeFromTVLand video game character]] [[LatexSpaceSuit Suicide]]. Originally the character was Kazarian's, but when he got hurt, Daniels ended up taking the role and doing double duty both as Suicide and as himself. They even had each other's back when Kaz reprised the role in the middle of a storyline where the Motor City Machine Guns and Lethal Consequences (Wrestling/JayLethal and [[Wrestling/XavierWoods Consequences Creed]]) were trying to unmask Suicide to prove it was Daniels. Now, the Suicide character is renamed to something less unfortunate, the Guns are both gone, and Kaz and Daniels as heels are the most well-oiled tag team TNA's had since the Guns and fellow ex-Fortune members Beer Money, Inc.

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** Wrestling/BookerT and Wrestling/ScottSteiner's first tag team experience together was far more unusual than winning the TNA tag titles while part of the [[SpotlightStealingSquad Main Event ]][[PowerStable Mafia]]. While under contract to Wrestling/{{WCW}}, where they actually often feuded, their team debut was actually [[Series/{{Charmed}} an appearance on ''Series/{{Charmed}}'', jobbing in hell to Prue and Phoebe Halliwell]].
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** Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels and Kazarian Wrestling/FrankieKazarian at one time [[ActingForTwo shared the role]] of the {{cool mask}}ed [[RefugeeFromTVLand video game character]] [[LatexSpaceSuit Suicide]]. Originally the character was Kazarian's, but when he got hurt, Daniels ended up taking the role and doing double duty both as Suicide and as himself. They even had each other's back when Kaz reprised the role in the middle of a storyline where the Motor City Machine Guns and Lethal Consequences (Wrestling/JayLethal and [[Wrestling/XavierWoods Consequences Creed]]) were trying to unmask Suicide to prove it was Daniels. Now, the Suicide character is renamed to something less unfortunate, the Guns are both gone, and Kaz and Daniels as heels are the most well-oiled tag team TNA's had since the Guns and fellow ex-Fortune members Beer Money, Inc.
13th Feb '18 10:35:00 AM oknazevad
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** Their constant name changes. TNA went through no less than three name changes over the course of 2017 ''alone''.

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** Their constant name changes. The former TNA went through no less than three name changes over the course of 2017 ''alone''.''alone'', as first they drop the TNA name for "Impact Wrestling" (finally completing a shift that had begun during the Hogan era), then they adopt the GFW name from Jeff Jarrett's post-TNA start-up (that never really got off the ground) when they bring him back, only to quietly drop it after he's suspended then let go a few months later, leaving them right back with the Impact Wrestling name.
13th Feb '18 8:48:28 AM oknazevad
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13th Feb '18 8:47:44 AM oknazevad
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** Changing from the six-sided ring to the more traditional four-sided ring. Many fans hate the change (Note the "WE WANT SIX SIDES" chant on the night of said change) while others (particularly the [[SmartMark Smarks]]) see this as an improvement. Wrestlers were won over in good time, though, by noting that the mat was far less stiff to bump on.

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** Changing from the six-sided ring to the more traditional four-sided ring. Many fans hate the change (Note the "WE WANT SIX SIDES" chant on the night of said change) while others (particularly the [[SmartMark Smarks]]) see this as an improvement. Wrestlers were won over in good time, though, by noting that the mat was far less stiff to bump on. Of course they brought it back after a fan poll that was only answered by six-sides fans, resulting in a lot of backstage complaints from the wrestlers, and fans who still think it's a gimmick. Three-and-a-half years later, with the hiring of new EVPs, it's gone again. And the complaints are nil, as the gimmick has played out.
13th Feb '18 7:56:28 AM oknazevad
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25th Jan '18 9:14:40 PM HighCrate
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* DeaderThanDisco
** TNA used to be ''the'' alternative in ProfessionalWrestling, or at least the closest to it. ROH was a distant third, and many believed TNA had the potential to one day grow as a legitimate competitor to WWE. [[DorkAge Then Hogan and Bischoff came in and everything went to hell]]. Even when they left and the company's product improved, they've largely been seen as a joke since then and a shadow of their former glory. Many of the unique points to TNA's product that made them different from WWE have been taken on by other companies, including WWE, and innovated to be far more interesting and successful than TNA ever managed. Nowadays, many fans are literally waiting for them to die, some even outright advocating it since it might be kinder to do so.
** The TNA Knockouts used to have some of the best women's wrestling on TV. However, they've stagnated over the years thanks to constantly going back to Gail Kim and the Beautiful People, and TNA's increasing financial troubles meant that the talent pool is now very shallow. While TNA has traditionally treated their women better than WWE has until recently, many point out that the company's talent pool has only a few women that can take advantage of the opportunities that treatment has presented them, with the rest either being too green or lacking talent. After all, there's no point in having a ladder match with seven women if only three of them can pull off any decent action. Meanwhile, the former WWE Divas (now Superstars) have a reached a point where they've gotten to headline a major PPV and have far better matches than the Knockouts despite the restrictions. The state of the Knockouts is more-or-less a reflection of TNA's state as a whole.
5th Jan '18 10:30:28 AM Nyame
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** And then they did have that change in management. When Anthem bought TNA and kicked out Dixie, more people started defending them, and they briefly escaped this trope -- only to fall back into this ''again''. How? Their treatment of the Hardy Boyz, who were, prior to their departure from the company, TNA's two biggest stars and bonafide wrestling ''legends''. Allegedly, they had offered a very lucrative deal to Wrestling/JeffHardy, while offering Wrestling/MattHardy (who basically carried TNA on his back for all of 2016) a fraction of that. Then they tried to prevent them from taking the "Broken" gimmick outside of TNA, going as far as to get an ROH PPV removed from DISH Network. If that weren't enough, just when it seemed they were close to a settlement, Anthem tried to put in a clause that entitled them to a percentage of the earnings from the Hardys' work ''outside'' of TNA (including Jeff's ''artwork and music''), breaking the deal. Their actions had damn near pissed off ''everyone'' in the wrestling community, from fans to wrestler themselves. [[note]]Promotions don't own the gimmicks of wrestlers anymore. Even WWE doesn't practice this -- they either create their own gimmick for the wrestler to use in their promotion for them to own, allowing the wrestler to return to their original gimmick on the indies if they get released, or they just allow them to use their personal gimmick and get a percentage of the merch sales.[[/note]] At this point some are starting to believe that the company is cursed.

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** And then they did have that change in management. When Anthem bought TNA and kicked out Dixie, more people started defending them, and they briefly escaped this trope -- only to fall back into this ''again''. How? Their treatment of the Hardy Boyz, who were, prior to their departure from the company, TNA's two biggest stars and bonafide wrestling ''legends''. Allegedly, they had offered a very lucrative deal to Wrestling/JeffHardy, while offering Wrestling/MattHardy (who basically carried TNA on his back for all of 2016) a fraction of that. Then they tried to prevent them from taking the "Broken" gimmick outside of TNA, going as far as to get an ROH PPV removed from DISH Network. If that weren't enough, just when it seemed they were close to a settlement, Anthem tried to put in a clause that entitled them to a percentage of the earnings from the Hardys' work ''outside'' of TNA (including Jeff's ''artwork and music''), breaking the deal. Their actions had damn near pissed off ''everyone'' in the wrestling community, from fans to wrestler wrestlers themselves. [[note]]Promotions don't own the gimmicks of wrestlers anymore. Even WWE doesn't practice this -- they either create their own gimmick for the wrestler to use in their promotion for them to own, allowing the wrestler to return to their original gimmick on the indies if they get released, or they just allow them to use their personal gimmick and get a percentage of the merch sales.[[/note]] At this point some are starting to believe that the company is cursed.



* FandomRivalry: TNA's harshest detractors tend to be ROH fans. The relationship [[FriendlyFandoms begins amicably]] in 2002, the year RF Video started up ROH to replace top seller ECW. The ECW fans who approved of ROH were still skeptical word of mouth and the video company would be enough to build a brand that would fill the void, so they were overjoyed when TNA came and put several wrestlers who were on ROH shows on pay per view. TNA founder Jerry Jarrett had been somewhat dismissive of ROH from the start but the fandom rivalry really started in 2004 when ROH broke away from RF Video, after RF's owner was involved in one of pro wrestling's [[RoleEndingMisdemeanor most infamous scandals]]. ROH now lacked distribution, but its wrestlers were still on pay per view so fans remained happy and hopeful. Then TNA barred the wrestlers it had under contract from returning to ROH, and heaven has no rage like love turned to hate. The rivalry continued on into the GFW rebranding, even though GFW founder Jeff Jarrett was more positive towards ROH than his father, because at this point ROH had its own pay per views and its fans were angry with GFW's parent company Anthem for removing one from Dish Network, over Matt Hardy returning to ROH with his Broken gimmick.

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* FandomRivalry: TNA's harshest detractors tend to be ROH fans. The relationship [[FriendlyFandoms begins amicably]] in 2002, the year RF Video started up ROH to replace top seller ECW. The ECW fans who approved of ROH were still skeptical word of mouth and the video company would be enough to build a brand that would fill the void, so they were overjoyed when TNA came and put several wrestlers who were on ROH shows on pay per view. TNA founder Jerry Jarrett had been somewhat dismissive of ROH from the start but the fandom rivalry really started in 2004 when ROH broke away from RF Video, after RF's owner was involved in one of pro wrestling's [[RoleEndingMisdemeanor most infamous scandals]]. ROH now lacked distribution, but its wrestlers were still on pay per view so fans remained happy and hopeful. Then TNA barred the wrestlers it had under contract from returning to ROH, and heaven has no rage like love turned to hate. The rivalry continued on into the GFW rebranding, even though GFW founder Jeff Jarrett was more positive towards ROH than his father, because at this point ROH had its own pay per views and its fans were angry with GFW's parent company Anthem for removing one from Dish Network, over Matt Hardy returning to ROH with his Broken gimmick. There have been other incidents that have only fanned the flames, including Wrestling/ChristopherDaniels' spotty ROH career prior his ROH Television Championship reign, and then his permanent return to ROH after his final departure from TNA. The aforementioned Matt Hardy/DISH Network incident isn't even the first time TNA has prevented ROH from broadcasting something -- they once prevented the broadcast of a match between Wrestling/TylerBlack and Wrestling/SamoaJoe back in 2008 from airing for similar reasons.
3rd Jan '18 4:48:47 PM Nyame
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The signing and subsequent booking of Wrestling/KurtAngle set the dangerous precedent of putting older stars over younger, homegrown stars. More than one fan has pointed to Angle's signing as the beginning of the end for TNA. Yes, he made them money, but he didn't need to completely wreck Joe, which ended up ''costing'' the company in the long run even before it began a much repeated pattern.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The signing and subsequent booking of Wrestling/KurtAngle set the dangerous precedent of putting older stars over younger, homegrown stars. More than one fan has pointed to Angle's signing as the beginning of the end for TNA. Yes, he made them money, but he didn't need to completely wreck Joe, which ended up ''costing'' the company in the long run even before it began a much repeated pattern. To say nothing of his professional treatment, in which they refused to punish him for his ''many'' DUIs, treatment that would pass on (thankfully, to a lesser extent) to future signees.
27th Dec '17 10:31:47 AM KamonTheSkunk
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* FanDumb: What's left of TNA's hardcore fanbase tends to be aggressive and fairly rabid against other wrestling fans because TNA has become an object of outright bashing over the years. That being said, those hardcore fans also tend to ignore the problems with TNA management and legitimate criticism of the company over real issues such as late pay, chocking it up to HateDumb, because they believe that the quality of the show is the only thing that matters. They fail to recognize that TNA's own management is more liable to kill the company than the competition or TNA's hatedom at this point, which is what most of the Internet is really resentful of. They also tend to ignore the terrible state the company is in, claiming they'll recover as they always do.[[note]]TNA is at the risk of going under any day now. One of the main reasons why Billy Corgan ended up becoming a minority stake holder is because the company desperately needed the money and no one else was willing to give them it.[[/note]]



* HateDumb: While the LOLTNA meme has some -- okay, a ''lot'' of basis in fact, some wrestling fans take anything that sounds even remotely embarrassing for the company as a sign of TNA's decay and mock them for it. For example, when it was revealed that TNA owed a payment to marketing company Aroluxe and having to default on that may result in Dixie losing the company, some fans managed to construe it as TNA being sold to Nazis because the Harris brothers, wrestlers who used a white supremacist gimmick back in the early days of the company (to the point of wearing shirts and tattoos bearing the SS symbol), worked for Aroluxe. Not owned, ''worked'', meaning that even if TNA defaulted to Aroluxe they would have no ownership of the company -- not to mention the fact that there was no proof they actually were white supremacists, as the Harris brothers have never really talked about the gimmick outside of a shoot they did for RF video. [[note]]That being said, fans that acknowledge this are still nervous about Aroluxe getting a significant foothold in TNA (currently they just own the brand name), because the Harris brothers are said to be good friends with Wrestling/VinceRusso, and Aroluxe intervening in operations opens up the possibility that Russo may return.[[/note]]
24th Dec '17 5:38:23 PM Nyame
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* AcceptableTargets: TNA is basically the red-headed stepchild of professional wrestling, even more so than WCW, and its {{Hatedom}} is much larger than its {{Fandom}}. That's not to say they don't deserve most of their hate. Though it should be noted that it's not TNA's ''roster'' that's acceptable to target -- most regard TNA's roster as filled to the brim with great talent that deserves better. What the {{Hatedom}} likes to take shots at is TNA's ''management'' (mainly Dixie Carter), for many, ''many'' reasons. It's reached a point that literally the only reason why most people aren't willing to give TNA a chance is because of the management, thanks to their history of squandering any good will that TNA manages to scrounge up. They figure that even if they were to give their support now the company will die anyway thanks to poor management, especially since it already happened to the aforementioned WCW. The weekend of October 13, 2016 vindicated this mindset, as reports came in about TNA's financial and legal troubles came in (see FromBadToWorse on the main page for details), all but stating that TNA's chances at a comeback are dead and that the company is a figurative dumpster fire at this point. Dixie, of course, is the main source of ire, as many point out that a lot of these financial and legal troubles stem from her unwillingness to sell the company even though it's blatantly obvious the company can't survive without a change in management.

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TNA is basically the red-headed stepchild of professional wrestling, even more so than WCW, and its {{Hatedom}} is much larger than its {{Fandom}}. That's not to say they don't deserve most of their hate. Though it should be noted that it's not TNA's ''roster'' that's acceptable to target -- most regard TNA's roster as filled to the brim with great talent that deserves better. What the {{Hatedom}} likes to take shots at is TNA's ''management'' (mainly Dixie Carter), for many, ''many'' reasons. It's reached a point that literally the only reason why most people aren't willing to give TNA a chance is because of the management, thanks to their history of squandering any good will that TNA manages to scrounge up. They figure that even if they were to give their support now the company will die anyway thanks to poor management, especially since it already happened to the aforementioned WCW. The weekend of October 13, 2016 vindicated this mindset, as reports came in about TNA's financial and legal troubles came in (see FromBadToWorse on the main page for details), in, all but stating that TNA's chances at a comeback are dead and that the company is a figurative dumpster fire at this point. Dixie, of course, is the main source of ire, as many point out that a lot of these financial and legal troubles stem from her unwillingness to sell the company even though it's blatantly obvious the company can't survive without a change in management.management.
** And then they did have that change in management. When Anthem bought TNA and kicked out Dixie, more people started defending them, and they briefly escaped this trope -- only to fall back into this ''again''. How? Their treatment of the Hardy Boyz, who were, prior to their departure from the company, TNA's two biggest stars and bonafide wrestling ''legends''. Allegedly, they had offered a very lucrative deal to Wrestling/JeffHardy, while offering Wrestling/MattHardy (who basically carried TNA on his back for all of 2016) a fraction of that. Then they tried to prevent them from taking the "Broken" gimmick outside of TNA, going as far as to get an ROH PPV removed from DISH Network. If that weren't enough, just when it seemed they were close to a settlement, Anthem tried to put in a clause that entitled them to a percentage of the earnings from the Hardys' work ''outside'' of TNA (including Jeff's ''artwork and music''), breaking the deal. Their actions had damn near pissed off ''everyone'' in the wrestling community, from fans to wrestler themselves. [[note]]Promotions don't own the gimmicks of wrestlers anymore. Even WWE doesn't practice this -- they either create their own gimmick for the wrestler to use in their promotion for them to own, allowing the wrestler to return to their original gimmick on the indies if they get released, or they just allow them to use their personal gimmick and get a percentage of the merch sales.[[/note]] At this point some are starting to believe that the company is cursed.



** The infamous Wrestling/JeffHardy vs. Sting Match at ''Victory Road 11'' brought almost as much hate TNA's way as it did Jeff Hardy's direction, despite the fact that in the end, Jeff Hardy was the one who showed up completely stoned out of his gourd, and TNA had to choose whether to send him out for a quick squash or cancel their headlining match. We can argue about whether the company making a known substance abuser champion was TemptingFate to begin with, but in the end, Jeff screwed Jeff.

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** The infamous Wrestling/JeffHardy vs. Sting Match at ''Victory Road 11'' 2011'' brought almost as much hate TNA's way as it did Jeff Hardy's direction, despite the fact that in the end, Jeff Hardy was the one who showed up completely stoned out of his gourd, and TNA had to choose whether to send him out for a quick squash or cancel their headlining match.match (though some argue that TNA should've just replaced the latter with another match regardless so the fans would at least leave with ''something''). We can argue about whether the company making a known substance abuser champion was TemptingFate to begin with, but in the end, Jeff screwed Jeff.



** Their constant name changes. TNA went through no less than three name changes over the course of 2017 ''alone''.



* OvershadowedByControversy: TNA is capable of showcasing great matches and has provided many of various styles over the years. Their problem is creating buzz for those matches and keeping it from being drowned out by complaints of their blunders when they do.

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* OvershadowedByControversy: TNA is capable of showcasing great matches and has provided many of various styles over the years. Their problem is creating buzz for those matches and keeping it from being drowned out by complaints of their blunders (both onscreen and off) when they do.
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